Cory and Nick strip down the saga of Jason Voorhees right back to its roots while threading a humorous twist. In this mini-sode, they re-imagine the infamous 'Marry/Sex/ Kill' game and apply it to the franchise, sparking a lively debate about which movie they feel is the best (Marry), their personal favorites (Sex), and those that perhaps should've never graced the screen (Kill).
They don't just stick to the surface level either, digging deep into the evolution of Jason Voorhees, dissecting the iconic hockey mask, its influence on the horror genre, and how it stacks up against other slasher movie villains.
Drawing parallels with the original Star Wars trilogy, they analyze the narrative patterns and examine the attempts to rebrand Jason as a more formidable foe. Cory also expose the gritty details of the legal battle behind the scenes, which threatened to capsize the franchise.
Its all round up by with Cory personal ranking all the movies in the franchise. So, whether you're a die-hard fan of Jason Voorhees, a horror movie enthusiast, or you're just here for the banter, this episode promises laughter, nostalgia, and some well-intended critique.
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Hosts:
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Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
Cory and Nick strip down the saga of Jason Voorhees right back to its roots while threading a humorous twist. In this mini-sode, they re-imagine the infamous 'Marry/Sex/ Kill' game and apply it to the franchise, sparking a lively debate about which movie they feel is the best (Marry), their personal favorites (Sex), and those that perhaps should've never graced the screen (Kill).
They don't just stick to the surface level either, digging deep into the evolution of Jason Voorhees, dissecting the iconic hockey mask, its influence on the horror genre, and how it stacks up against other slasher movie villains.
Drawing parallels with the original Star Wars trilogy, they analyze the narrative patterns and examine the attempts to rebrand Jason as a more formidable foe. Cory also expose the gritty details of the legal battle behind the scenes, which threatened to capsize the franchise.
Its all round up by with Cory personal ranking all the movies in the franchise. So, whether you're a die-hard fan of Jason Voorhees, a horror movie enthusiast, or you're just here for the banter, this episode promises laughter, nostalgia, and some well-intended critique.
Thanks for listening; If you feel like supporting us, this is where you do that!
BuyMeACoffee
Check out or other content/socials here.
Linktree
Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast. I'm Cory, your host, and with me for this great episode, this inaugural episode.
Nick:Nick, yeah, yeah, hello.
Cory:So if you clicked on this, you saw that we're doing, we're playing the sex or Mary Sex Kill Game.
Nick:That's right.
Cory:Yeah, we're playing that, but we're not playing with people. No, that's inappropriate, that's juvenile. Yes, very true.
Nick:We're playing it with franchises. Right, not in the same way, yeah no, no, no. A little spin on it if you want to.
Cory:A little spin on it. A little spin on it. Yeah, it's a good game. It has to be four to five movies or more, that's fair. If you used to do a trilogy, it just seems weird and you're ruining a trilogy. I mean, I guess you could play it, you could yeah.
Nick:We'll wait on those.
Cory:Yeah, we'll see.
Nick:There's plenty of other franchises with way too many installments that we can easily sit here and go. That's the best one, that's my guilty pleasure and that's the one that should not exist. Yeah.
Cory:Yeah, and we'll work our way down, because today we're bringing you an 11 film franchise with one remake that we're not really counting in the game. We're not going to count remakes in the game. Yeah, it's like we already got one of you, so like we don't need this, we can move on. So until you can clone people and remake people, which I'm sure we're close.
Nick:Getting there yeah.
Cory:Then maybe we'll consider putting remakes in. But if you can't play this game like you can with people, then you know who cares, but so to be fair, we're not.
Nick:we're just picking movies. We're not doing anything weird illegal with the movies. Nothing unnatural, Nothing unnatural.
Cory:Yeah, so essentially, what we're going to do is we're taking the Friday the 13th franchise, because today of the release of this episode is Friday the 13th.
Nick:That's right.
Cory:And it's one of those really special Friday the 13th that fall in. October. Yeah, it's perfect. Super creepy, super creepy. So what we're going to do is we're going to go through this franchise and then Nick and I we're going to tell you which movie we would marry, which is what we consider the best movie, the one we would sex, which is the guilty pleasure, or the one we just like.
Nick:We personally like the most Right, right, right Maybe it's not the best one. But it's the best. In here, corey, it catches our eye, pointing to my heart.
Cory:Yeah, it catches our eye. It's the meme of the guy with the girl looking backwards. Yes, absolutely, it should be looking at this one, but we're looking at that one, yeah, so, and then kill the one. That doesn't belong.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:And this whole concept comes from the fact that I think every horror franchise has one movie that doesn't belong. It should be non-canonical.
Nick:Sometimes more than one Corey yeah.
Cory:Sometimes more than one, sometimes it's a debate, and then sometimes there's a clear winner, and so we'll do that. But before we do that, nick, let's dive in to the Friday, the 13th franchise.
Nick:Dive into Camp Crystal Lake, not cramp.
Cory:You wouldn't swim in a lake that's called cramp.
Nick:No, crystal Lake. Oh, don't go and cramp Crystal Lake. Not many people make it out.
Cory:Even if you wait 30 minutes, you just get cramps.
Nick:A lot of kids drown there.
Cory:That's like the lake from heavyweights.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:That's not the heavyweights camp.
Nick:It's cramp, it's cramp lake. The blob's pretty great, but don't get in the lake bro.
Cory:A lot of kids didn't come up, though. As soon as they hit the water, it's just like ah.
Nick:Little Tony lost a lot of kids that day.
Cory:Yeah, so this franchise. Nick, I'm proud of you. I know you watched this pretty much entire franchise. I did. I feel like you speed watched it.
Nick:So there was one time several years ago when we lived together that you guys did like a marathon. Yeah, that was me coming and going. I guess I had work or something, probably taking a nap on the couch on the weekend.
Cory:Probably also just not interested.
Nick:Also just kind of semi-interested. Living with you guys was like a slow introduction back into horror, like we've talked about. I wasn't allowed to watch it growing up and Saw was not my taste in movies, gore, stuff.
Nick:That was in the 2000s when I was a teenager or when we were teenagers, so getting introduced to the 80s stuff that you find like this new appreciation for slashers and horror. But yeah, so I did. I would say a speed run, but, like you know, every day I tried to watch one and we're leading up to this episode.
Cory:Yeah, yeah, so you're well prepared.
Nick:Yes, you didn't want to come in here blind Right.
Cory:Because then this episode would have been really stupid if you were just Exactly Like very sex and killing.
Nick:You probably be mad at me. Yeah, why'd you pick that one? I don't know. Cover was dumb. Yeah, poster looks stupid.
Cory:Poster looked really dumb. So yeah, If you've never seen these movies, they are. The premise is very much obviously takes place, like the majority of it takes place, at a camp called Camp Crystal Lake and the entire backstory is a kid was allowed to drown because some camp counselors weren't watching. They were having drugs and having sex. Nick it's wrong.
Nick:They weren't doing the job. Bad kids.
Cory:And so this freaky kid named Jason drowns.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:And so the whole thing's based around him. A lot of people don't know. I mean, if you say Friday 13th, most people envision the guy in the hockey mask, correct. However, the hockey mask doesn't show up to the third one.
Nick:It does not.
Cory:It is. That's something people learn and I cannot imagine how many people thousands upon thousands of people went to Blockbuster said I've never seen Friday 13th and they rented it and they went home and they said what is this, jason? Where's the guy in the hockey?
Nick:mask. This is dumb. Who's this old lady? What third rate Russian dirty money laundering crap is this? This is one of those fake movies.
Cory:This is like snakes on a train. Where's the real one? Yeah and so, but yeah, the first. It's obviously very famously referenced in Scream in the opening scene with Drew Barrymore where the question is who was the killer in the original Friday?
Nick:13th.
Cory:And she says Jason, I've seen that movie a thousand times. And he said then you would have known that Jason doesn't show up until the sequel. And it's the mother, pamela Voorhees. And so that's. She's the killer in the first one. In the second one, jason wears a burlap sack over his head, yes, and then at the very end of the third one, he kills a kid and takes his hockey mask and that just stuck. I wonder why it stuck. I wonder why people like looked at that, said, oh, that looks good on camera.
Nick:Probably just because they were like we need to find something other than a burlap sack because this dude's ugly as if we need to like find a more iconic image. That's something I think that they were learning, as they you know Texas chainsaw massacre they did one and done it and they're like this is perfect. We got a mask on the guy, he's got chainsaw iconic imagery from the get go.
Cory:Yeah, they pretty much don't mess with him. Much going forward Other than just changing.
Nick:And with Friday 13th, is it because you have like okay, this is the twist was oh, it was the mother the whole time. So then you're like how do you build the sequel off that? Well, let's age up the kid. Well, he's probably going to look really deformed and ugly now.
Cory:Yeah.
Nick:Well, that's not going to appeal to people. It's not like Freddie who's like ugly, but in a fun way.
Cory:Yeah, but he's got personality. Yeah, he's got a great personality he does. Jason, he's just a quiet type. A few times that mask comes off in the franchise You're like oh so, so face.
Nick:only a mother could love.
Cory:Yeah, and so if you've listened to our Friday, the 13th episode, that we released years ago, which I believe is our most unpopular episode.
Nick:It's my least. Well, it was.
Cory:It's Nick's least favorite episode, apparently, and so we tried. We do tell you a quick rundown, which again is in the. Jason is a living person up until the fourth one, and then he's dead.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:And then the fifth one. He's not even in it, it's a copycat killer. Yes, in the sixth one he's a zombie. And from here on there on out, he's a zombie.
Nick:Fully formed.
Cory:He is just a fully formed undead zombie, and so he just brought back to life creatively from there on out.
Nick:Yeah, there was. There were moments where I said they went OK, how dead is Jason? Like, like, is he just going to keep coming back? And he goes. Yeah, pretty much from Chase, I guess is it in the final chapter? Number four is when he died, dies.
Cory:Yeah, and that's because it's called the final Friday. We're going to kill the character off, but then, like Paramount said, we make too much stupid money on something these are really cheap to make.
Nick:These are cheap and people go to see.
Cory:So this is a business.
Nick:We don't stop making egos when everyone's eating the egos.
Cory:Yeah, exactly, and so. But again, in the first one he shows up in the like like right before the credits, and he's still a kid somehow.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:And so I mean there's some, it's a little loosey-goosey with the cannon. But in the second one he's not really a whole man, he's still like he kind of comes off as like a teenager almost.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:He's the smallest iteration of Jason really. And then in the third one he's buff and he stays buff, right, you know, he's six feet. I just imagined that they did the hockey mask and never really like intended on going with it. Then he walked on set they said that's it baby.
Nick:He just wrote it in like well, this is a kid's, a hockey fan right there and they're like I love this, Keep it going.
Cory:That looks good on camera.
Nick:So maybe, maybe the writer was like I have this great idea where he like he gets a different mask. He's like, nope, hockey mask every time, that's it.
Cory:So much so that, like it ended up on the poster, the hockey mask.
Nick:They're like we're going to run with this, and so we had this conversation recently about modern horror movies where they're trying to create iconography and like this new twiz or what it's a wonderful knife which is like a Christmas horror slasher movie and like they just go like the dude looks like a superhero or supervillain. Like he's in all white, like it's a planned outfit, is the problem. Like you have scream, but the thing about Ghostface is that he was a generic costume.
Cory:It was a generic costume that was sold in Walmart's before it was a movie. I mean they literally bought the rights that like oh, these two teenagers would have gone to Walmart and bought the cheapest thing to put on to kill their friends.
Nick:It feels more created in the world.
Cory:Like.
Nick:Michael Myers mask is a William Shatner mask. It just happens to find somewhere.
Cory:He robs a store and he just picks it up and puts it on like we talked about in the in the nightmare episode.
Nick:You know, freddie's the really only one that has like an object or an iconic look or something that doesn't feel like a true, like just natural extension of the character. But again, freddie was like this, built in character from get go and he's a part demon. You know it works. But the problem, it seems like, is that everybody's rushing to be like.
Cory:We need to like find that iconic thing that everybody's going to create these iconic like, iconic imagery like out the gate and sometimes I feel like like this is a wonderful, not movie looks like garbage, because it looks like they're just like they tried to create this thing and they said let's see if we can make 10 of these catches on.
Nick:And it's like no, just make an organic story and if it catches on, it catches on, that's great and the benefit of not having Jason be Jason at the beginning was we had time to tell the story of how he came to be.
Cory:Yeah, nick, I'm glad you brought that up. Okay, have an interesting take on the Friday the 13th movies.
Nick:Hot Corey take coming in.
Cory:Well, this is more of just an observation. I had a few years ago Got it. I'm not saying George Lucas ripped anyone off. But the Friday the 13th movies parallel the Star Wars movies.
Nick:Perfectly the prequels all of them.
Cory:Okay, the thing is is Lucas made a matter order. The. The Friday 13 movies told the same story almost like in order, you know. Okay, so obviously Star Wars comes out in 77. Yeah and I honestly don't know how much of the canon and everything Lucas had worked out in his head. He kind of in the air he acts like he's had this whole plan his whole life and I highly doubt it, but um, it seems like he wrote the prequels, like somewhere in that 20 years.
Cory:Yes, you know yeah and so he was making stuff up as he went. But if you think about it, the original, the prequel trilogy- right the beginning of the story the rise and fall of Darth Vader.
Nick:Well, the also the creation is the rise of Darth Vader, all of Anakin, right?
Cory:so it's one, two and three, the prequel trilogy. It starts out with Anakin as the little kid Mm-hmm, and then in the second one, you know, he's getting angry, blah, blah, blah. And by the third one he's a fully formed psychopath with a mask. The first three Friday 13ths are the same thing. It's a slow burn that starts with the kid, something tragic happens Evil in the second one, and by the third one the mask is there and the character is fully formed. It takes a whole trilogy to get to both Darth, and Jason.
Nick:Interesting, right, that's fair.
Cory:Second trilogy Okay, the og our star war trilogy tells the story of the antithesis of Darth okay it's, it's Luke Skywalker, it's the Luke Skywalker trilogy, right.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:And the whole time we're being led to believe Luke is capable of becoming Darth. He's capable of becoming evil. Okay, I see where you're going four, five and six of the Friday 13th, it's the Tommy Jarvis trilogy. It's by far the best four movies are the best three movies. It's my favorite of the trilogy. If you, if you were to, if I'm just saying you can take the. Friday 13th movies and package them into Trilogy snow you really really themselves yeah and so the Tommy Jarvis trilogy is the same thing.
Cory:We're introduced this character that is the antithesis of Jason, but the story they're telling is that at any point he could become the next Jason the dark side is still there.
Nick:They write like Tommy Jarvis is gonna be the next, jason, they do. They really play with that super hard.
Cory:And so that's the whole thing. But then by time you get to the last one of that trilogy the characters, the hero and defeats the villain.
Nick:Okay, right and so he doesn't do it.
Cory:Tommy Jarvis does not become Jason. He's redeemed in the end. Yeah right, the only difference is we'd never go back to Tommy Jarvis, ever.
Nick:Yeah they just kind of drop him. Yeah, they kind of watching what was it new blood? And going is there gonna be a Tommy team up with this, with this new Girl with the powers? And you were like no. I was like that's disappointing.
Cory:I hope we haven't seen the last of the Tommy Jarvis character personally. But and then and then like obviously we have the new prequels, yeah, which is just Retreads on nostalgia and also trying a lot of really weird different things to be different. It's like create the same thing but overcompensate by trying to be way too different in places. It's unnatural and so like you have like, yeah, okay, Like what was it? The?
Nick:the rise of Skywalker or rise guy over the last one, which was the first force awakens.
Cory:Force Awakens is just a remake of Sure of the number four.
Nick:Yeah, whatever you know. And so the final chapter, yes.
Cory:New blood. The same thing goes back to Crystal Lake. We just give a new hero.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:Tommy Jarvis. We have a new female character that more or less has the force, and this girl had ESP. She literally fought Jason with her brain and, like telekinesis, she they just don't call it the force, nick, that's all it is. And then eight, they try not to even have them. They don't, they try not to have Jason in it. Let's see what or no, that one's where you go to Manhattan. Yes, it is really, really it's.
Nick:Jason on a boat.
Cory:It's Jason on a boat.
Nick:One scene it's like Spongebob Spongebob a water where they sell you on the idea that Spongebob is gonna be 3d animated and he's gonna be out of the water. But that's like the last 20 minutes of the movie.
Cory:Yeah, no yeah, it just just spoilers. Jason takes Manhattan, it's mostly on a boat, mostly in Toronto, and there's one scene in Times Square. But that's seen. Times Square, it's great.
Nick:Oh, it's great, it's fantastic. Worth the the entire budget.
Cory:Yeah, kane Hodder, just that's. All he ever talks about is the timing out of dress up as Jason and Times Square and so, but that's the thing. They take him to a new location. Yeah, they try to take him out of the movie and then it's space, it's in and like that at that you're skipping.
Nick:Jason goes to hell. We're. That's the one where they try to take him completely out. Yeah.
Cory:Yeah, so that's what I'm saying there for the next three movies. They just try all this weird stuff. Yeah, it's like let's just rebrand it but throw a more powerful foe in there. Let's just take Jason out of Camp Crystal Lake, let's take Jason completely out of the movie. Let's just try to do all this weird stuff and then by time you get to Jason versus Freddy, jason versus X, we're completely in what the era of Star Wars were in now, which is just what have we not made like, or what can we? What are the team ups? What are the? What are characters we've never messed with like?
Nick:Jason, this, this bus is going 30 miles an hour. If it goes underneath that, it explodes exactly the only man we know that could stop the do the job.
Cory:Well, jason X, which is Jason in space, is just that's all it is. Yeah, it's just what can like. Let's just put him in a new. Like leprechaun went there, why can't we go there? You know, and Jason did it better. He did space better and so that's all it is, and I like your idea. They do need to make a nightmare, an elm Street movie in space.
Nick:It actually makes more sense than the other two, the spiritual trilogy, corey, because I don't know how it makes more sense.
Cory:But it makes more sense in that your plot is that they're in deep sleep. It's like, oh right, Right, right in hypersleep. Yeah, it's a weird sci-fi concept.
Nick:I just one of them happens to know about Freddy and like it. Yeah, he tells the tale. They go into hypersleep.
Cory:Oh, it is as you have them like gathered around their sci-fi table before they go into hypersleep. It's like, hey, you guys ever hear about Freddy Krueger, you know, and stuff like that. It's like it's this 21st century concept and they're like folklore myth yeah. And blah, blah, blah. There was that stupid and like what one girl's like. I'm a little nervous, but the thing is you add a new element and that they can't wake up right there.
Nick:They're not able to wake up. They're gonna be stuck with him for a while, yeah there is no waking up, so it's awesome.
Cory:I like that idea a lot.
Nick:We'll just write it and send it to new line and hope that they don't steal our idea.
Cory:Or if they steal our idea.
Nick:You know, it's only problems, I think sometimes I'm more about the idea of just the movie being made and I'm like, hey, if you steal this, I'm not mad about it, just a special thanks is all we want.
Cory:You know my name in the credits so maybe you know 200 bucks like a story.
Nick:They hand out story credits left and right. David Goyer has been working off that for years, a whole career out of it.
Cory:Yeah Well, okay, and so now that's the whole thing, and then, in 2009, we get a remake, and that remake really brings us to where we're at Now. Nick, with this franchise, yeah right, which is this? It is in just absolute hell, like it is an illegal battle that came out of nowhere. Okay, so Friday the 13th, new Blood, is the last Paramount movie. Like Paramount made Jason, they bought it, that's all them. The first seven movies are made by Paramount and after that they sell it to New Line. However, it's like up for debate what got sold to New Line?
Nick:Which is wild when you think about it.
Cory:So it's, and again you could go and like deep dive into the legal battle. That is Friday the 13th and no one really understands it. From what I can tell, though it's that the argument is that New Line bought pieces of the franchise. They bought the character of Jason, they bought Pamela Voorhees, they bought Camp Crystal Lake, but Paramount still owns I guess, friday the 13th the Name and they own all the story elements and footage of the first seven or eight movies.
Nick:Yeah, eight movies, sorry, manhattan is the last one that Paramount made my apologies.
Cory:So, like New Lines can show Jason, they can show Pamela, they can say the name Jason Voorhees, they can say Camp Crystal Lake, they can do all the stuff, but they can't reference any of the prior movies and they can't use Friday the 13th, I'm guessing, because it's Jason goes to hell, it's Jason X and it's Freddie versus Jason.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:Is the New Line or it's the New Line trilogy.
Nick:Yeah, yeah.
Cory:And so they never say Friday the 13th. Then, in 2009, they make a movie and it's called, or remake a movie called Friday the 13th, and that's you know why New Line and Paramount made it together.
Nick:Okay.
Cory:Because they were still arguing who owned what in Platinum Dunes? Who?
Nick:is making.
Cory:I guess all the remakes Said, can we be the third producer? We'll just mediate, and everyone's involved. And everyone, I guess, put it down for a second and said all right, that's fine.
Nick:Okay, all right, okay, that's fine.
Cory:We can at least agree between you two. You own everything, so we can reference things Apparently. What happened is the original screenwriter, Victor Miller, has caused all this bull crap for what I can tell, got it. He claims like he owns all this stuff because he wrote the original screenplay, which is kind of like I guess you own some stuff, but like you definitely don't own the hockey mask.
Nick:You definitely don't own the machete. The main like like the stuff we like you don't own. Yeah, the groundwork you got, but like the rest of it, you got 50, you got half of it.
Cory:Yeah and so and it's like it's great, they should pay you for some stuff and you should always get the based on characters by yes, which that seems to be. Everyone seems to be happy with the based on characters by credit. You know, like Pirates of the Caribbean 3 is like based on characters by the guy who wrote the first script.
Nick:Right, and he's happy about it. Batman and Spider-Man, and yeah, they're all based on, based by these people.
Cory:Yeah, every Batman movie says based on characters created by Bob Kane. And now they give the other guy credit.
Nick:I forget his name.
Cory:Sorry, that's what happens when you go 90 years without credit. So wait a minute. So they're now referencing the other guy, but so that's the thing.
Nick:Bill Finger.
Cory:Bill okay, all right, cool, All right.
Nick:Awkward name.
Cory:Yeah, that's. Maybe that's why I'm like your name's weird. Bob Kane just sounds so cool, bill Finger that's. But finally he finally gets it now Okay.
Nick:So that's the thing.
Cory:And I guess, when they made this remake in 2009, which is the last one, it's been almost 15 years since we've gotten to Friday the 13th movie that's wild. And what sucks, nick is, we're on the 13th movie. Whichever movie gets made, next is the 13th Friday. The 13th Part of me even wonders if they're leaving it in a legal battle because of the pressure.
Nick:Probably the 13th, as it would be great. It's gotta be like the best one.
Cory:So it's like, well, if we just leave it in legal battle, we don't have to make it and we don't have to you don't have to worry about it, it's done. Because, like so I guess what happened, though, is this Victor Miller guy is mad because, when they were doing a remake, as the writer he should have gotten paid a lot more, because it's a remake of his script, and I guess the script he saw originally when he signed off on this was like a remake it's the.
Cory:Pamela Vorhees story. But then what they actually made is they went back and they rewrote it to be an amalgamation of like the first four movies.
Nick:Got it.
Cory:Like they show Pamela, they show the Bertelab sack he does for a while. Then he gets the hockey mask.
Nick:Okay, so we're just streamlining it. It's the abridged version.
Cory:And so they just, yeah, they essentially made a movie that was the first four and first three or four. And by that they were able to say well, technically it's not a remake, it's a sequel. And so he got paid less, and so he's the one that's essentially said screw this, I'm suing everybody.
Nick:And now it's just been in court forever about who owns what, so apparently no one knows what lawyer screwed up that day when they're looking over the fine print Ah, it's all there, it's all good. Yeah, you got everything. Oh, just sign on the data line, baby. And then it's like well, actually turns out, you don't own shit.
Cory:What's crazy, too, is Warner Brothers got involved in this for a while too, because I guess that was a new line.
Nick:Okay, or Warner Brothers eventually bought a new line. I think, yeah, connection there, yeah.
Cory:Yeah, I think they eventually bought a new line and so like Warner Brothers also got involved somehow and they ended up selling rights to the movie. But again, so it's like X owns the rights, X owns the characters and X owns the title.
Nick:Yeah, it's getting complicated. Yeah, Warner Brothers is the parent organization now, but yeah, yeah.
Cory:and so it's just like a judge has to get all these people in the room and go all right, everything. Let's be civil. Like there's just a bunch of kids who say these toys are mine.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:And there's like no, those toys are mine.
Nick:Meanwhile, the rest of them are going. We just want a new movie.
Cory:I would imagine it's like having kids in the 90s, in like three kids collectively owned all the Power Rangers.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:And they. So I'm asking I borrowed a Blue Ranger tonight for a bath time and he's like sure, and then that Blue Ranger didn't come back for a few days and he's like telling his mom and he gets like what?
Nick:no, this is my Blue Ranger. It's my turn to play on the 64.
Cory:Yeah, it's like, but I want all the power and it's just that's what it sounds like, and so I bought this game.
Nick:Well, you're using my controller, but it's my system and it's just yeah.
Cory:All right, Sorry having flashbacks. Go ahead. Nick had a lot of siblings.
Nick:I did. And so all right, they're all alive. Still it's fine. No Jason Voorhees involved.
Cory:So that's a rundown of this franchise and where we're at and like horror fans are patiently awaiting for like all this to settle and like get another movie, because apparently there's been multiple attempts over the years to like do it LeBron James apparently he wanted his production.
Nick:He's apparently a fan, apparently, he went to a game dressed as Jason Voorhees a few years ago and like they asked about, he said oh, I love this franchise.
Cory:And he wanted his production company to do it. But then of course his production company immediately found out like oh no, this is. This is a nightmare, this crap is buried under so much legal nonsense. It's Jason's finally been killed by the judicial system.
Nick:It took outside sources, outside of the movies.
Cory:Yeah, and it's wild too, because it's like one of the before this, like one of the longest, I guess, periods of time without a Jason Fordy's movie was the Freddy versus Jason gap.
Nick:Yeah, it's wild cuz.
Cory:In 1991 you get Jason goes to hell right and it's huge because or 1993, I'm sorry okay and it's a big deal because the in credit is Freddy Krueger's glove right coming up and grabbing the mask.
Nick:Yeah, everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's happening.
Cory:You know, it's like it's, it's wild, it's seeing punk's music hitting it. A dub is he's happening, you know and everybody's like pump. 12 years later, and you know why. No one could write a script. Everybody's like oh crap, how would these two meet? Wait, how does this work? Exactly what happened? They're like okay, freddy Krueger has nothing to do with camps or summer or any of that. In fact, he's in. He's in like Midwest suburbs and Jason's on the coast in Maine and like they had, it's like it's like Jersey, jersey, it's supposedly in Jersey, and then they've now said Springfields in Illinois.
Nick:Okay, so it's they actually have geographic locations.
Cory:So, yeah, they're not close. And Frank Krueger kills people in their dreams and Jason kills them very much in real life, while they're having sex? Yeah, having sex and so, yeah, it's, it's, it's wild, and so it took 12 years, and there's actually a book called slash of the Titans. Yeah that takes you through all the proposed movie ideas, through that 12 years. Okay, and so I'm a wild, like people are like courtroom dramas and like Really wild and it's just like and the movie they made was okay.
Nick:Okay, it was fine.
Cory:It's a fun movie, yeah, and so like it was what it was, all right, so that means we need to play our game.
Nick:For sure.
Cory:We need to play Mary sex kill. Okay, before we do that, I would like to give everyone my official rankings of the Friday 13th franchise.
Nick:Does that give it away?
Cory:though, no, my official rankings. No, no, no, no, it's not gonna give it away. Okay, you know what does it give it away?
Nick:Yeah, I mean you kind of gives it away. It definitely gives my sex. How about the end?
Cory:Yeah, we'll do it at the end because, yeah, I'm definitely gonna sex my number one. No, wow, that's the war. The way our minds work is like I'd sex the number one. Movie sex. It's not married.
Nick:I'll settle for this for me and so, yeah, that's, that's wild.
Cory:Okay, all right. All right, it says a lot about us, the psychology of movies, so all right, okay but we're starting with with a kill first. We're gonna start with kill work our way up. I guess Mary sex kill when you play in middle school.
Nick:It's about a three-second game right, you give yours and I give mine.
Cory:And then we, yeah, we yell at each other, while I couldn't name you the Josie and the pussycats, but I'm sure that's what kids used to play, like I.
Nick:There's Josie in the other two power Rangers maybe, or like the yeah, whatever, and so it's not just middle school, it's the internet. Skip that alive and well.
Cory:Yeah, I know in cells are probably still playing it pretty hard with magic cards and so, jocks, everybody, everybody plays a course.
Nick:It's still play.
Cory:Yeah, but like it's a three-second game, we're actually gonna give reasons behind these. Yeah, and it seems better to start with kill true. Yeah, we want to end on a positive note with Mary High note here so. Nick, you watch these?
Nick:I did recently.
Cory:They're very they're very fresh on you. Which of these movies Would you kill? And I really, honestly, to find that for me, I don't know how you're gonna find it, it's gonna be which one's non canonical to me.
Nick:Non-canonical. Yeah, okay, I didn't. I may not go to that extent, but I just think this is the worst of the worst and I'm like when I watching through these, I was like this one's to me is just. I was like this is just a step down from all the others in my opinion. Okay, now, watching through these to delay my answer for a moment Like you kind of get an ebb and flow of the quality of these movies, like some of them, like like the first one, like there's a story, there's a who done it, and then you follow it and then it just kind of like well, let's just repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat yeah.
Nick:Teenagers kills and sometimes it's like the kills aren't even that interesting. So sometimes you really rely on on like how fun is this movie? Or like how, how much does this somewhat make sense? Or like what are the characters just doing? Too much dumb stuff.
Cory:Well, real quick, but why are on this? Did you have a favorite kill in the franchise? I have a favorite kill.
Nick:I have to think about that for a second. But, cor, I'm gonna go with one of your, one of that you think are the three, the best trilogy. I'm taking out a new beginning.
Cory:You're taking out five.
Nick:I'm taking out five.
Cory:Oh, you're such you're. That's so mid, such a cliche of horror movie fans.
Nick:But, cory, it is the worst one, like it's there for a reason. Cory, listen, hear me out, like listen. You had a great setup in the first, in the first of this trilogy with, with.
Cory:Number four. Number four Feldman.
Nick:Yeah, with a Feldman setup. Yeah, cory Feldman enters the realm, yeah, and it's kind of fun. You get this kind of kid element. It's almost like they were like. But then they were like let's just try all the different things from the franchise at this point. Let's keep the, let's keep this character going. Let's try all this different stuff. Let's let's throw in this random biker gang that's gonna try to come in and kill them for some reason and and all the kills Just come off as very like on original.
Cory:There's also a biker gang in the third one.
Nick:Yeah, but this one just seems, it all seems. This one, it just felt the most hokey, it felt the most like, like ridiculous people running and falling and then just sitting there for forever while Jason Comes over and they're just no.
Cory:There's no fighting to get up, there's no like there's no reason that they fell over a tinge of meta awareness by timing it to five a little bit, but it's not there yet.
Nick:Yeah, it's getting there, but like, and they're trying to like, it's like they're trying to figure out what is the quintessential Friday the 13th, and in that process it just feels like they're throwing everything at the wall with this one. And I do like the kind of setup of is Tommy actually Jason now, and it's this whole framing of him, but then it turns out that it's not and you're like oh, it's the annoying kid that smears his food over it, or whatever spaget, what was it that he had? Spaghetti sauce, or ice cream.
Cory:He's in a chocolate bar like the most also like the.
Nick:But you, it's like I built this really annoying character and we're gonna kill him and now you have to feel sympathy because you're like, oh, I feel really bad for like thinking he was really annoying.
Cory:They do. They make you like, you're like you. I hate this guy. Then they kill him and you're like oh that guy was probably special needs. He didn't deserve that right and like it's a weird set.
Nick:Yeah, they're like at like a special needs camp, aren't they like a mental health, like it's like a halfway house? Yeah, yeah, halfway house is what it is, and that's where Tommy ends up. You know, because he's a damn, he's traumatized.
Cory:Yeah, and and again. Spoilers beware which. Again, these movies are 30, almost 40 years old, so I'm not we don't care about spoilers, but this one ends. And why most people really do not like this film is because it's not Jason at all. Jason technically appears in the movie. Yeah, in the dream sequences, anytime the slashes on the master red. That's meant to be Jason Voorhees. Okay, he only appears in dream sequences that Tommy's having mm-hmm.
Cory:But anytime you see him out in the real world, he's got blue slashes and a blue diamond in between his eyes and that's because it's a copycat killer. It's Ray the ambulance driver and people don't love that it turns out to be his father. Yeah, it turns out to be the father of the kid that's killed in the very beginning.
Nick:And that's one thing. Like these newer movies, like I don't hate when they Diverge cuz like there's only so much you can do with. Guy at camp kills kids or teenagers, yeah but I and I kind of like that. It's this kind of idea of we're rounding out the myth-making it's. It's this thing that's known among people. Regular people are using it to try to get away with murder. Other people like it helps kind of round out the world a little bit.
Cory:The reason I love it is because it is different and it's not like Jason goes to hell, where they do take Jason completely out of the movie. Here, jason it's the, it's the iconography of Jason still in the movie. It's very Scooby-Doo and it's very like pre-scream. Is that someone takes this thing that already exists, this boogeyman that already exists? Right and puts it on to go kill some kids. That was respond that murdered their child, he's child. It is a panel of Voorhees retread to a degree with Ray, the ambulance driver.
Cory:Yeah, yeah only he puts on the mask of Jason and so. But again, the reason I like it is because it's very much the Luke and Dago Bob movie. Is that Luke's really Struggling with? Am I my father?
Nick:am I.
Cory:Darth deep down. If I keep going, am I eventually going to be Darth Vader? And so you get the imagery of him with the mask. Yeah and in Tommy Jarvis really like saying I might be a psychopath, so I like it.
Nick:I'm sad that it's sad. It's sad because there are good ideas built into it. I just felt like the execution of it.
Cory:I knew when you were texting me when you were watching it. You weren't buying it, you were not I was not, you're not into it. I kept trying to like see, like no, no, stick with it, nick, and you're like no man.
Nick:Characters are all over the top.
Cory:It's like they put a bunch of theater kids in a movie. They do very, very like loud and acting to the back of the room on camera.
Nick:Well, corey, which one are you gonna kill and erase from the timeline?
Cory:Okay, so again I define this because I think every horror franchise has the non-canonical movie, and again you can take the Hellraiser franchise and eight of them could be non-canonical.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:Here there's two big ones, and again we're not counting the remake, the remakes out of this discussion. Mm-hmm the two that are like really hard to reconcile is canonical to the franchise is obviously Jason in space, sure, but I think Jason goes to hell is the one. That's absolutely a horrible sore thumb. I think it's an unwatchable movie.
Nick:Jason goes to hell.
Cory:Jason goes to hell is the one I kill. I don't think it's canonical and I don't think it should be seen as canonical.
Nick:Well, it's also easy to remove, because well they destroy everything about the franchise.
Cory:It's clearly some young director that thought he was clever and then made a terrible movie. Yeah, cuz it's like there's a reason we go to watch these things, you know, and you completely took Jason out of the movie. You turn him into this weird worm that just like.
Cory:Burrows into people burrows into people and possesses them, and so it's like it's just the spirit of Jason and all these people, and then at the very end we get Jason just getting like Taken down to hell. I did the end of the movie spoiled in the title Nick.
Nick:Yeah, again it's another. It's the same as Jason takes Manhattan where you're like, oh, we're gonna see like Jason in hell, that's gonna be really interesting and you never see it like it's all about the end.
Cory:It's all about trying to kill him down to hell, yeah it's sometimes those these movie titles like that.
Nick:If it says Jason goes to hell, I'm assuming there's a journey involved. Like you're going to reach that journey, like in by the midpoint of the movie, at least not the end of the movie, which it seems to be a problem. Like mr Smith goes to Washington, he doesn't. He's not on his way to Washington the whole time, like he's spends most of his time there. So I think it's just that kind of my expectations meeting what actually happened and I think it's interesting Again. But it's up down to execution. Like, yeah, you made him a word thing. You could have just made it a spirit passing into somebody. There's many different ways you could have gone about the same idea but it just didn't.
Nick:And then the hunter guy that the bounty hunter guy like very just over the top, like he could. Again, it's a fun idea, it could have worked really well. But they literally put him in this like cartoonish cowboy hat and like just made him say all the most cliche lines.
Cory:I just don't like it. It's just, it's the one. I don't want you had to be again.
Nick:Again, this is what we're. Even this, even this franchise, makes the mistake, like they created their guy but they were trying to make other guys in the same franchise. So they're like we have to give him like a hat and so he's like no, this was started in this, in this era of reality To an extent, and then it slowly became more supernatural and more iconic visual. So it's like you're trying to rush something.
Cory:It was stupid. I don't love it and I don't think it's canonical. I will say this it has, like, probably top two poster.
Nick:Top two poster.
Cory:Yeah, it's got like the metallic hockey mask.
Nick:Oh, that's right yeah.
Cory:I just saw. I remember seeing the pose or the VHS case at blockbuster constantly.
Nick:So yeah, yeah, that's true, it's a fun one, for sure.
Cory:It's definitely one of the cooler ones and it's a cool title, but it's just you can't go wrong.
Nick:It's hard to make a hockey mask look bad. Yeah, they try.
Cory:I. So I'm saying I think in the third movie, when they put it on they said that's, that's cool.
Nick:All right, you know what? We got something yeah we got something.
Cory:I don't know if any hockey. I don't know if there's ever an era of hockey where anyone wore that actual mask.
Nick:Why would? That's what I was thinking. I was like I've never seen anyone and I wonder if, like they said, they go like oh, it's Jason Ford, he's even when you watch things like slap shot or like old hockey movies, you're like those guys better. Those guys weren't even wearing masks in by that seem like no mask cop to modern-day mask.
Cory:I don't remember this era where they wore this.
Nick:Just I want the horror guy that like loved hockey and got into Horton and his in his interest fused and he just goes out there and he's a goon and he goes out there and just fights people.
Cory:But yeah, I lean into it. I just I don't remember the era of the Jason, or what is it from Ninja Turtles Casey?
Nick:Jones mask. I don't remember the era of hockey.
Cory:So but hey, I'm glad it exists.
Nick:We got two cool masks, you great masks.
Cory:So, all right, all right, so you're killing number five, which is a Horrible mistake. I'm killing Jason goes to hell. But I think that's probably the top two answers for most people probably, I mean we chose the two movies that Jason's technically like barely in that's fair.
Nick:That's fair, it's fair.
Cory:Um, all right, Nick, which one are you gonna sex?
Nick:again.
Cory:This is just your favorite. Maybe not the one you consider the best movie. Yeah but the one that just really struck you.
Nick:I took it as this one, as the guilty pleasure. Okay, this is your guilty, this is my guilty pleasure, for sure, and and we may have the same one I'm anticipating that I Went with Jason X. It's just too much fun, it's too much fun.
Cory:It's ridiculous, it's fun.
Nick:It's a ridiculous concept. It's just like let's just go in the future like hundreds of years, and he's been frozen and he's still Jason. But it's not just that. I think it's the timing of the movie too. It was set in that like Weird turn of the millennium, where everything is kind of the definition of space is like this weird sexy, like Everything's neon, everything's, like these silver outfits.
Cory:It's all Star Trek.
Nick:It's just a star trek, it's but they make this like the sexy version of star, like it's all and they're all, and they still keep the same concept of like these are teenagers on a field trip but they're on a spaceship and they're studying, but they're all wearing ridiculous like tube top type things and stuff.
Cory:It's very like 90s and whatever. It's very self-aware like.
Nick:I mean to the point when they're trying to stop him and they and they set up like the little Digital like room where things can be recreated and they just make Camp Crystal Lake there and it's just the two girls going ooh, we're gonna go have sex in the woods. It probably smokes.
Cory:So you wanna smoke some powder and have a marital sex and then it comes to him just beating the other one to death. I Got one of the baddies beating her death with the other one in a sleeping bag and it's just so great, it's so good, but any any, and at that point you just have to.
Nick:I think people either Reject it and go like this is stupid, or you just you're on for the ride, because once he gets in, like once he literally superhero suits up and he has like the futuristic outfit. Oh yeah, the uber Jason.
Cory:Yeah, it just just gets ridiculous. It's wild because I think people do automatically reject it because like and it's weird people think that there was a whole bunch of these horror icons going to space, when really there's only two leprechaun, and then Jason did it later. More Iconic villains in space query and I guess the leprechaun movie is not great. I'll give you that it's not. It's not. I really think Jason X is a good movie. I think it's a fun really like.
Cory:Good for this like it's a lot of fun and I do think the uber Jason things fun and and whatever and it does, it does technically, if it is canon, it's the last movie.
Nick:Yeah, or what they make, it's gotta be the last one, because it happens way in the future.
Cory:You notice that they actually that hockey's about to get banned. I did because they have noticed have a line that's like hockey got banned in 2032, 2024.
Nick:Next year you better watch out. Keep an eye on cramp crystal lake or just people named Jason Voorhees kids that probably got poor kids that got named it growing up or something.
Cory:Don't be wild. That's someone with less thing, for he's named their kid Jason. It's listen, I mean there's a Jason for he's out there. So there is a Jason for he's out.
Nick:Cory, there's a person named Barbie Oppenheimer. Yeah, that exists, she's not a kid, she's an old woman.
Cory:That's awesome. That's pretty out. She related to the it seems like she has to be how many Oppenheimers can there be?
Nick:I don't know.
Cory:But uh, yeah, you know the guy that played the first, the kid that jumps out of the water in the first movie. Yeah he has a band, a metal band, and they're terrible. Okay they're called first Jason. He's writing and every time he like introduces himself. He's like I'm the first, jason Voorhees, and it's like oh movie for like half a second and you were a kid.
Nick:You, you were the uncool version of Jason.
Cory:Yeah, it's like. It's like if the second Jason started a metal band called second Jason. We're so like who?
Nick:cares, do that, give me the third Jason. Yeah, I want the real Jason. No, the real one.
Cory:Yeah, the real one that came hotter started, started metal band and then maybe I'll listen to it. And he plays the keytar in his metal band.
Nick:It's, it's no, jason's got a plan. I mean he's making a living doing a horror base or horror cons. Yeah, oh, no, jason's a bass player for sure. Okay, yeah, no, he would be a bass player and so probably stand up.
Cory:Um, all right, and I don't mean comedy, I'm in Senate base.
Nick:You know, yeah, okay.
Cory:And so, um no, he would be a bad stand up comic. He doesn't speak, which also people should go. Look at his interview on Arsenio Hall. Jason Voorhees was an oh On an episode of Arsenio Hall's talk show and does the entire interview without saying a word.
Nick:It's incredible works, so it's great. Go watch that after this.
Cory:So my guilty pleasure, my, my sex is and again it was Jason X was close dang it. I really do love Jason takes manhand it's, it's fun.
Nick:It's a lot of fun. Even though it's what you get, misleading once you get past being upset, because I think that was the first time I was like he's. Not even are we off the boat.
Cory:Yet what's happening? We're in and we're still on this boat.
Nick:So by the second time I watched it I was like, okay, this is like there's. There's like the dance that's supposed to be happening and like she gets killed in the middle of it, and there's a lot of fun little items like it's fun, it's I just I think I like how dated it is to it's like the nerdy video guy like, and it's like the girl, the punk rock girl, the guitar, is that film me?
Cory:Yeah who sticks in yours, like the acoustics in that room would suck like it's a giant.
Nick:First of you couldn't hear anything because the engine's running.
Cory:You're in the engine room and so it's just a lot of fun. I, like Jason takes manhandling. I just, and for no other reason than the payoff of seeing him in Times Square right is really great that is.
Nick:You know they're it to its credit. I did complain about it earlier, but there are a lot of times when movies, just third acts, are tough. Yeah, and we've. You and I have seen plenty of movies. We were like it was great until the third act hit and that just. And then there's been great movies that people of bash we're like it was a great and they're because like, because, like Lone Ranger, like they didn't even play the theme until it's like, because it's an Origin story.
Cory:Yeah, we made the theme when it hits.
Nick:This is why I don't have faith in General moviegoers these days.
Cory:Yeah, so yeah, no, I like it, I like, I like, just takes manhandling a lot.
Nick:I think, we again.
Cory:We both are. Our sex is the one where he's in a different location.
Nick:That's fair, so, but I like it. Change up little change, I do, I like it All right, nick, yeah, mary, my picks. Not gonna be that surprising, corey, it's it's not gonna be surprising.
Cory:For almost most people, the best one, the most voted, is like the number one, and it's voted that way for a reason.
Nick:Corey Jason lives is the best. Friday, the 13th movie.
Cory:It's all pistons firing.
Nick:It's, it's perfect.
Cory:The franchise knows what it is.
Nick:It's firing on all cylinders and it's having fun with it, like it's just enough meta and just enough of like. We know what people came here for the wild kills. They're over the top. This it's also when they finally make Jason, jason, yes it's the most Jason Voorhees of the Jason.
Cory:Yes it's the best look. It's in a weird Kane. Hatter gets associated it with the character most because he played him three, four times. Yeah, but like I think the guy that played him in six I'm not sure it could be CJ Graham, maybe I think he's the one that really like developed a lot of the ticks that Jason gets known for yeah, there's a noticeable the body language. He really does like I think Kane able was able to build off of what CJ grand it, or whoever played him in six like for sure, with like a lot of the turning the head first and then walking the big, like breaths and like the shoulder things.
Nick:Yeah, cj Graham played him, though Dan Bradley appears uncredited in the paintball scene.
Cory:Yeah, so I think, I think it's it's really cool, it's, it's, it's. That's the one that's just amazing.
Nick:I and it also. It lands in the mid 80s too, doesn't it?
Cory:It's like probably 80s, jason lives 86.
Nick:Yeah, so it's it kind of parallels like the 80s itself. We're like the early 70s, early 80s is still remnants of the 70s. They're trying to figure out what this new decade is. Yeah, and by the time you hit 85, 86. It's just yeah, it's all still in the space. I want my MTV like it. It feels like an 80s movie like you talk about, like the flash dances and the Dirty dancing and and footloose, which are just gen. Those are generally feel like Extended music. Yeah, but this has that same framework where it's like listen, something's got to happen every every ten minutes or something.
Cory:That's the thing. It's an 80s movie, but it doesn't necessarily like wear the 80s no on it, it's like it has a couple like hairdos and whatever, and some and like. There's a music video that Alice Cooper did, so it's right, tv long, isn't it too? Which?
Nick:that's probably my favorite kill.
Cory:Yeah, is the. Is the RV, kill the.
Nick:RV. Kill both of them, because it starts with him ramming the girl's face in the bathroom. And literally her fate. Her imprinted face comes through the freaking metal and I was like, okay, this is ridiculous.
Cory:It's just great the scene where it's on its side. Yeah on fire and then he stands on top of it. It's a good shot.
Nick:Yeah, it's really good the openings incredible. Yes, the Frankenstein opening, absolutely horse.
Cory:Just welcome back hotter and Tommy Jarvis. Yeah resurrecting Jason accidentally by driving a steak and iron rod through him and then lightning hitting it and it's incredible.
Nick:But it's like exactly what you kind of want, like you want him to be the super human monster. That's unstoppable force and it's, to a degree, unexplained in the earlier movies. But now, with this, you're like yeah, he's an undead thing from the dead.
Cory:Yeah you, you can't kill this thing yeah, it's now, and then it's also. The imagery at the end is great, where they like just wrap it around and sink it, yeah, and stuff like that. That's really good, it's, it's. It's a movie that I think also also just quick note.
Nick:This is the first one I felt like they actually acknowledged the fact that these Teenagers were at a camp to watch kids.
Cory:Yes, this is. This movie does two things, two very subtle things that make it great. It introduces kids to the camp for the first time, right which? Is why I'll raise is the stakes Wildly you know yes because there's actual little children.
Nick:Yes, and they're stalking around and they have great lot. They have great kid actors.
Cory:They really do one kid goes.
Nick:What were you gonna do when you grew up?
Cory:That's a good line. That's a good line, and then wildly, the only one in the franchise with no nudity right, I bent, I made that, I made that.
Nick:I was like there's no nudity in this movie. I just realized and you're like, didn't need it. I'm like you're right, I didn't need it, didn't need it, didn't need his boobs.
Cory:No, no, skinny dipping, no, nothing. It's like this movie is great. It did so Because I feel like the boobs and the rest of them is just like hey, we've hit a little slow part, let's uh, all right, it's time to uh, tina, could you take your top off for a second? Why, that's not my character, yeah, but uh, we need to. We need to really get a bump. This second act a little bit.
Nick:That the old producer comes out. Listen. Hey you, sweet, how do you want to have a career, right?
Cory:Listen, if you don't take your top off, there are five women right now on this set.
Nick:That'll take your top off and I'll make them a star. You are easily replaceable.
Cory:None of the people from these franchises became a star, except for Kevin.
Nick:Baker, who didn't take his top off. Every franchise gets one.
Cory:Yeah, Kevin Bacon is the Friday 13th guy. So yes, yes and Okay, so I listen, just for the sake of it. This is, that's also my Mary. Okay, it is, I assumed or Jason lives is the best. It's incredible, but if I had to like just give a different answer than you, okay, it's final chapter. It's number four. It's the Feldman.
Nick:Oh, it's the.
Cory:Feldman movie where he's Tommy Jarvis as a kid.
Nick:I feel like that's where some of the same elements.
Cory:Yeah, it is the franchise finds a footing. Yeah, they've said the hockey mass stays. It's a great actor in the in the role and and it's good, I think it's great, I think they do. It's got Crispin Glover also in it.
Nick:Yeah, random Crispin Glover pop-up to me.
Cory:I think that six is like the epitome of the Friday 13th franchise. It knows what it is. It is all, all cylinders. To me, though, for is the, it's the, it's the slasher, it's the best slasher movie. I would honestly say four is probably. If I had to rank slasher movies, it's probably like right behind scream. Okay is like the epitome of like what makes a great slasher film. And so, and because there's always debate, what's the first slasher film, you know? Is it the prowler? Is a black Christmas? Is it Texas chainsaw?
Cory:Yeah is it Halloween? Because Friday 13th comes in at 80. But, there are people that will say those others don't qualify slasher's, this one.
Nick:Because it just has the stock here.
Cory:Yeah, it just also depends on what your definition right now, and so, yeah, I would say four, I would. It would be like a really close second to six, okay, but yeah, six would be the one I marry. It's the one I watch every year with. It's too good, it's hard to sit down and watch the whole franchise, but I will watch six at some point for sure and so, yeah, if you, if you're listening, you never like Engaged with this franchise, I highly recommend just watch.
Nick:Yeah, just go watch six.
Cory:It's just, it encapsulates it all, and then, if you enjoyed it, throw in the space one or Freddie versus Jason versus Jason it's why so we can mention the Freddie versus Jason's and the things that like. Yeah, that's probably on somebody's list, it's cool, it's whatever, it's just like. It's why, it's just. It is what it is. Yeah it, didn't it like it? Somehow it's very versus Jason's movie that somehow exceeds expectations but also doesn't meet them at the same right.
Nick:Yeah, watching, watching through the franchise once I got to Freddie versus Jason it, I think because the quality of the quality rays. You're also talking about movies that are decades apart now and have more funding and more of back Back backing behind them. So, yeah, the quality is gonna be better.
Cory:It is it's great quality. I think the fight scenes are the strongest.
Nick:Yeah, really do weirdly things. The new metal music Kind of like metal music but it's it and they they really go very pro wrestling in the fight scenes. Hey, I'm mad about it. Like.
Cory:Freddie Krueger just throws a lot of elbows, lot of like Randy Savage, elbow drops.
Nick:They make a great tag team though, because, like they, ready fast, it's a hot flyer, probably the bruiser and so, like it really works, it's just.
Cory:At the same time, I'd almost wonder if they go crap. Only one of these guys talks Like this is it's gonna be a tough movie, it's fun too, because they make him the straight-up villain.
Nick:Like Jason is a villain and he's a threat, but like he kind of comes out.
Cory:Yeah, there's a face turn. Yeah, yeah, literally. So you're gonna root for Jason. We're gonna make him the sympathetic character.
Nick:You know it's kind of hard to make a child molester.
Cory:And this movie does again kind of lewd back into that. But again, they don't ever like outright. Like we said on the Friday or the nightmare in Elm Street.
Nick:So you know, and so there is a built-in sympathy for the Jason.
Cory:Yeah, there is, he was he's a kid that was allowed to die. And then again it works that Frank Krueger murder children, specifically right. Yeah, and so it's a good movie, but it doesn't make any of my three before we wrap this up For everyone in listening, give us your Top.
Nick:Is it top 10 or just rank from top? I write all 12 okay in the remix in the ranking is just gonna did on letterbox Okay and every year that I promote this on a Friday 13th, I get a lot of hate.
Cory:Go for it number 11 is a hot take. Number 12 Jason goes to hell. Obviously, that would have been my kill. Obviously that would have my kill. Number 11 is the original 1980.
Nick:Friday the 13th interesting, yeah, I get a text every year. Yeah, what.
Cory:I post this. People like what in the world? The remake is number 10. Okay number 9 is new blood. Number 7 got it and then I got Freddy versus Jason coming in at number 8.
Nick:Jason.
Cory:X comes in at 7. Oh it's it's gonna go to low, I get it, come on, and just to make you mad, part 5 is number 6, right above us.
Nick:That's insulting, that's hurtful.
Cory:And then I got part 2, number 5, and then my top 4 when. I. The 4 best Friday 13 movies in my opinion Are Jason takes Manhattan, followed by number 3, final chapter, part 3. The introduction of the hockey mask at number 2, and then, of course, jason lives is number 1, okay, but I get a lot of crap for saying 1980s is number 11.
Nick:Speak your truth, corey. I just be yourself, it's alright, but it's just a pressure.
Cory:The franchise transcended it, and so it's just like it's that thing where you're like, yeah, I. It became something so much bigger than itself and so I don't need this. It's not fun.
Nick:So sure, well, corey, any final thoughts, because this is, this was, this was your pick generally. So, any, any general final thoughts to wrap this up.
Cory:No, I just think it's fun to like take this, I like franchises through this game. This because I think when you have a franchise, you do have the one you really love the one that you think really encapsulates the franchise and the one that you're like. What in the world were people thinking it doesn't fit, it doesn't make sense, you know, or whatever. And so, like I'd really want to do this I guess mainly thoughts are I really hope that we get this franchise back.
Cory:Like I hope these studios get over themselves and we are getting a camp Crystal Lake series. Okay, apparently Paramount can say like we for sure own this.
Nick:Name okay again.
Cory:It's just a series based on came Crystal Lake. We don't know what will be in it what it's about Before.
Nick:He's will even show up.
Cory:I mean, to me it sounds like it's gonna be like a Bates motel. Maybe Pamela is this gonna be the character and we're gonna get maybe it all peaks with Jason drowning.
Nick:We've been there, we've done that.
Cory:Yeah, I don't know, it seems like a hard thing to do, so it could be fun if every season was like an episode.
Nick:It was like a movie of Friday 13th. Yeah and it's like who's gonna die was gonna live. But like you build a story within that, Maybe it takes place not over like a weekend, but like over the summer.
Cory:Yeah no, I agree. I mean, if anyone needs a prequel series is Freddy Krueger. He has an entire thing We've never like actually explored pre-having.
Nick:Yeah, he has an entire. People love those dark gritty, it's true.
Cory:On HBO Give me the Netflix series.
Nick:I just want I keep throwing it at you Like a Christmas Friday the 13th hasn't been done, let's do it.
Cory:I think, I think it'd be fun be better than this Wonderful knife movie, that's true. So we're just asking the studios resolve this. Play along one of you, just buy the other one. It seems what you do anyways.
Nick:Yeah, so it happened All right. Well, we support monopolies.
Cory:That was married.
Nick:No, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Cory:All right. Well, you would think somehow all these things would be in the same company already. But all right, that was very sex kill. We look forward to taking other franchises through this game. Yes, give us a pat on the back for not saying the F word one time.
Nick:We did change it to sex cuz you know, you know, you know it's hard to sell it.
Cory:kids, yeah you know we are family-friendly 30% of the time. All right, that was Friday 13th Mary, sex kill. Say goodnight, nick.
Nick:Good night, nick.