What if 'St. Elmo's Fire' was recast in the Late 90s?
Wrap yourself in a cozy blanket, grab a pumpkin spice latte, and get ready for a trip down memory lane as we reminisce about the charm of 'autumnal movies' (since there aren't many Thanksgiving films) and deep dive Cory's personal favorite movie, the quintessential 80's classic, "St Elmo's Fire".
Join us as we dissect its nihilistic themes, impressive character development, and how despite initial misgivings, this film inexplicably grew on Cory and Nick. We also touch upon the undeniable allure of fall aesthetics, a beauty that we unfortunately don't get to experience in its entirety in Oklahoma.
Take an auditory journey with us as we uncover the trials and triumphs behind the making of the iconic "St Elmo's Fire". Get an insight into the gritty representation of post-college life struggles, the unique acting styles of the 'Brat Pack' actors, and the influential role of John Hughes in the casting process.
Brace yourselves as we also explore the casting possibilities for the 90's rendition of "St Elmo's Fire". This discussion is sure to leave you nostalgic and perhaps even inspire you to conduct your own star-studded debates.
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
What if 'St. Elmo's Fire' was recast in the Late 90s?
Wrap yourself in a cozy blanket, grab a pumpkin spice latte, and get ready for a trip down memory lane as we reminisce about the charm of 'autumnal movies' (since there aren't many Thanksgiving films) and deep dive Cory's personal favorite movie, the quintessential 80's classic, "St Elmo's Fire".
Join us as we dissect its nihilistic themes, impressive character development, and how despite initial misgivings, this film inexplicably grew on Cory and Nick. We also touch upon the undeniable allure of fall aesthetics, a beauty that we unfortunately don't get to experience in its entirety in Oklahoma.
Take an auditory journey with us as we uncover the trials and triumphs behind the making of the iconic "St Elmo's Fire". Get an insight into the gritty representation of post-college life struggles, the unique acting styles of the 'Brat Pack' actors, and the influential role of John Hughes in the casting process.
Brace yourselves as we also explore the casting possibilities for the 90's rendition of "St Elmo's Fire". This discussion is sure to leave you nostalgic and perhaps even inspire you to conduct your own star-studded debates.
Thanks for listening; If you feel like supporting us, this is where you do that!
BuyMeACoffee
Check out or other content/socials here.
Linktree
Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
Welcome to another episode of Quantum Rekast. Now this is in a traditional episode, nope.
Nick:We call them mini. So yeah, yeah mini.
Cory:So it's right and uh, what we're doing is. Well, it's November, and November is the worst month for this podcast kind of. It's just awful because October we have Thousands of possible choices for Halloween horror. It's a theme month.
Nick:It's. It's a good time. Yeah, they're December more, just thousands. There are movies just dare dedicated to, dedicated to those holidays.
Cory:Yes, November, no squat you get one movie. It's got squat.
Nick:You got one movie.
Cory:Yeah, there's. We've always get to this ever since We've been doing this podcast. We get to November and we go okay, what's the Thanksgiving movie? And all we ever say is well, there's planes, trains and automobiles.
Nick:That's two people. There's people in that movie. We can't do it. It's our episode.
Cory:I mean there's like peripheral characters, I guess but it's like it's mainly. No, it's the two. Yeah, and honestly that's that's a lot of times we have movies like Willy Wonka or, you know, Pirates of the Caribbean. You know we have like characters that are really hard. Yeah but you got one character that are really big shoes to fill John Canyon, steve Barton, that's two that's two giant shoes to fill. It's just awful yeah just absolutely massive shoes to it, so we always avoid it.
Nick:So anybody that clicked on this hoping we were doing planes, trades and automobiles, not today.
Cory:Nope, nope. One day Maybe we'll have the guts to do it.
Nick:But right now our 20 minute episode.
Cory:This guy so. We'd have to take it to a year in which John Candy's dead. That way, we just have the excuse.
Nick:That's true, yeah.
Cory:Yeah, I mean right now you could just take planes, trains and automobiles from 1995, and it's Davis Bay and Chris Farley. End of movie. Yeah, there you go.
Nick:We did. There's the episode. It's what's, tommy boy.
Cory:Oh, but Chris Farley would pull it. Our heartstrings at the end, just like John.
Nick:That's true.
Cory:Maybe not as much as well.
Nick:Okay, refocus, refocus.
Cory:We're not doing planes, trains and automobiles and we've gone through lists and like there are Thanksgiving movies. I know every time I say that there's not a lot of Thanksgiving movies, some White girl with a vanilla latte from Starbucks always says what about family stone? And I'm like who cares? I thought it was a Christmas movie, Not great yeah it's all right, it's watchable, but I don't know we'd have to be on this podcast for, like our hundred and eight the year before we did a family stone and so, and it's, it's fine.
Cory:It's fine, sir Just Parker, having a horrible.
Nick:Rachel McAdams is lovely.
Cory:That's great, it's fine, but nope, not doing it, and so and there's like we've watched the things killing movies, which is about a killer, turkey. Yes and it's the most low budget thing in the world. It's true. But really it's hard to cast a hand. Puppet turkey that murders people. Right, there is a new horror movie called Thanksgiving. Yes maybe next November.
Nick:Maybe it'll be fun.
Cory:Maybe it makes the cut.
Nick:Maybe you go watch it, though.
Cory:Maybe so what we've decided, though, is that there's this genre of film that I don't know if it's, I don't know if we're creating this or if it exists, but the fall autumn movie. Ah because I think fall and autumn is just kind of a vibe.
Nick:It is a vibe. It's a vibe.
Cory:Yeah, it's just it's a super aesthetic.
Nick:Like listen, you got the orange and yellow leaves and some red leaves and stuff. Like people are wearing sweaters, it's sweater season. It's a favorite sweater and a cool coat and in Oklahoma, like where we're at like fall lasts for like a week or a week and we don't get that. So everyone else gets to experience this, I guess in the Northeast.
Cory:Yeah, but not here, and so this episode is going out to you. People who get fall.
Nick:You people in Vermont and New Hampshire and Maine and so, uh, listen, I create so we're.
Cory:Mainly what we're doing is. This is an excuse For me to talk about my favorite movie of all time. It is without a doubt my favorite movie all time, st Elmo's fire, which is sure, versus.
Nick:that's your, that's your pick, it's my go-to pick. Okay.
Cory:I don't understand it. I genuinely don't. The story of St Elmo's fire with me is like I was dating a girl at the time. Uh-huh and she knew I was in the 80s movies and she was at home with her mom and they just watched it. She said if you're seeing a St Elmo's fire was like no. She kind of sent me the cast list and I was like Sounds pretty legit, it's like.
Nick:It's like you know 60% of the breakfast right. All right, you know.
Cory:And so I'm like all right, like, and I watched it and I hated it oh. Cuz it's so nihilistic true and I was like why would you tell me to watch this? It's like a you're my girlfriend in the half the movies about infidelity. What are you trying to tell me?
Nick:What are you trying to get? What are you projecting here? What's going on?
Cory:and then I like, in its weird, I kind of went to bat like bed upset because, like I don't know why, she told me to watch this. I feel like this was a horrible recommendation. I got up and watched it again the next day and I was like it's the best movie I've ever seen. It's a weird experience.
Nick:So why, corey?
Cory:I think it's just my age. Okay like it's kind of. First of all, the brat packs my favorite thing that Hollywood's ever turned out got it I think it's the greatest thing that's ever existed in Hollywood. It's just, it's this amazing Like they like aside from the rat pack, which is actually musicians turned actors, like, let's just be honest.
Nick:Right, right right.
Cory:That's kind of a.
Nick:It's kind of a no go club yeah novelty.
Cory:You get things like Tim Burton and like David O Russell who, like I, like certain actors.
Nick:I'm only gonna work with these. It's like a community theater.
Cory:You're getting the same people Over and over, whereas the brat pack was this weird group of like, just this Incredible influx of these 20-something actors that all hit Hollywood at the same time. Yes and they worked with multiple. Now they get associated with John Hughes, but this isn't a John Hughes movie.
Nick:It's not another reason I like it and that's what I turned you watching it, going like yeah, is this? So John Hughes just wrote this? He just didn't you like no, did nothing.
Cory:Only thing John Hughes has to do with this movie is he recommended the three breakfast club kids to Joel Schumacher. Okay, because it apparently took Joel Schumacher a lot to get this movie made. He wrote the Joe.
Nick:Joe Schumacher wrote and directed okay, the same almost fire, oh okay if you've never seen someone's fire.
Cory:It's just about a group of kids who just graduated college. In that it's just. It's. How do you start life?
Nick:right.
Cory:Right, it's that coming of age, life's hard. We did all the right things and now it's complicated. Right, life's hard, guys. The ending of friendships, it's the imploding of an era of your life. It essentially explores that whole idea. It's the. It's the. It's the last line of a stand by me, right. Mm-hmm the friends you have when you're 10 and something, something, something you know you never replace those friends right, or you never have friendships quite the ones you have when you're 10 or yeah.
Cory:Because essentially the whole theme of saying what's fires like the most important relationships to you from like, let's just say, 12 to 22, won't last.
Nick:True, yeah.
Cory:They'll either die, you'll go off in separate directions, or you'll develop relationships that replace them Wives, husbands, kids whatever.
Nick:Yeah, it's changing into a new chapter of life and not everybody has the same path, especially college, where you're all got different majors and career goals and stuff and it's gonna send you probably somewhere else.
Cory:And so I think that's why I like it. I think it's just a really realistic movie, which, of course, is why I wouldn't settle with them when I first watched it, because I was at that age. I was like probably 24 when this was recommended to me and I was like and then you watch it and you're like Sadness sucks. Yeah, like why would you? This is horrible that I watched it and I was like this is great. There needs to be more very realistic movies that aren't trying to sugarcoat things.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:So I don't know why it is absolutely my favorite movie.
Nick:You write that it has John Hughes vibes, but it is not John Hughes-y, or it's not John Hughes, and I think part of it is like somehow, even though terrible things are happening to some of these characters that are being cheated on, they're sleeping around with each other's friends.
Cory:They're getting addicted or they're getting addicted, yeah.
Nick:Like there's this weird 80s like sheen that's added onto it. That makes it like hey it's okay.
Cory:Yeah, you almost coked out, but it's all right. Well, I mean, I think that's why some of these movies that have really survived the 80s are so great, and I think that's why John Hughes movies are so great. Is the 80s kind of was this lie that everything's great, everything's good, everyone's good looking? There's enough money for everybody?
Nick:The hot 16 year old guy's gonna come to your birthday party.
Cory:Everything's wonderful.
Nick:Like the 80s.
Cory:That was the whole idea in line of the 80s. But then you had filmmakers like John Hughes that said I'm gonna make a high school movie that's caused out the bullshit of high school. Or I'm gonna make like Joel Schramar's. Like this is no one teaches you about life Like you get through college, you know the right things and all of a sudden it's like well, no one prepared me for any of this. You know, and so like that's how we always say it.
Nick:It goes like why did no one teach us taxes?
Cory:Yeah, no one taught us taxes how to buy a car.
Nick:When I first bought a car, I was very unprepared. That's very yeah, it's a whole nightmare.
Cory:Telling the person like I learned calculus. Is that gonna help me here?
Nick:Nope, no, algebra, nope, still no.
Cory:So yeah, it's wild, so I think I like it for that reason. But yeah, anyways, like going back, like Joel Schumacher apparently had a hard time getting this made. Like he would keep sending the script to studios and they would literally say like these are all horrible people, which of course it's like you know. He's like no, these are realistic people. You know, they're not Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz Like. This is just.
Cory:We all went through this you know and you know, but of course I'm sure some studio guys oh, no one wants to watch a movie about. You know, regular crap, you know, and so-.
Nick:Well, movies often have that. It's up and down a lot, cause you'll get 80s where it's everybody's happy, everything's, the good guys always win, and then you know, you get, you know, after 9-11, where you have a lot of dark, depressing movies, yeah, great stuff.
Cory:And so, yeah, there's ebbs and flows, so he finally gets some studio behind this, and apparently the only people that studio was high on was Demi Moore and Rob Lowe. Rob Lowe was like a teen idol at the time.
Nick:So I'm sure he put him in there.
Cory:But even I think he had to fight for the role because Joel Schumacher didn't want him, because he was a teen idol, so it's like but I think he like really lobbied for it and you know he does a good job, and so I think Joel Schumacher wanted Robert Downey Jr.
Nick:That's fair and so I can see that.
Cory:Which Robert Downey Jr will get less than zero two years later Right. Where he plays a drug addicted, you know, male prostitute essentially right out of high school and it's very dark. Again a movie that said the 80s drugs decadence, but it's horrible. Turns out cocaine can kill you, turns out it's bad. So but like, yeah. So I guess John Hughes did contact Joel Schumacher, said hey, I just worked with these kids.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:These are great.
Nick:Throw them right in. There Just got done, real small movie.
Cory:It's all you can almost like see him like going. You can have Judd, allie and Emilio.
Nick:Yeah, I keep Molly.
Cory:Molly and Anthony Michael Hall, though those are-.
Nick:I got plans for them, I got my babies.
Cory:So also they would have been too young.
Nick:That's true, yeah.
Cory:Anthony Michael Hall was actually, I think, a teenager-ish in Breakfast Club.
Nick:Well, the rest of them are like 20s, right, and that's what's weird is that this movie came up the same year as Breakfast Club. Yeah, so earlier in the year you watch them as teenagers, and then six months later, maybe they come out as, yeah, or yeah, 25 year olds or 22 year olds.
Cory:Well, I think like so yeah, in February of 85, breakfast Club comes out. And they're teenagers in high school, the three of them, Emilio, Judd and Allie, and then in June of 85, St Amos Fire comes out. Now they're like post-college adults, but to me I think that shows the acting range of the three. Now Emilio, I don't think has, he doesn't show as much rain.
Nick:No, he's a great actor. He's in danger of being in a different movie.
Cory:Yeah, he really is. If you watch St Amos Fire, he's kind of in his own comedy.
Nick:Yeah, like he's literally trying to chase the Andy McDowell's doctor.
Cory:The rest are having real. The rest of the movie is having real problems. You know, like you have. I'm sorry, but I've never heard a phrase like that. And that's really good, because he is he's in his own movie. It's a little wild Like.
Nick:Judd Like he's doing like a high school crush creeping on this lady.
Cory:Well, like it's Judd Nelson's like cheating on his like long time girlfriend that he's trying to marry and he thinks marriage will fix his infidelity. Meanwhile Andrew McCarthy's in love with her and he's gonna sleep with her, you know. And then, like Demi Moore's, just on tons of drugs.
Nick:Sleeping with her boss.
Cory:Yeah, and she has no money and she's gonna try and kill herself by this movie. Meanwhile, emilio's problem is he's obsessed with this girl. He had one date with, it's freshman year of college.
Nick:And they've met four years later and he just goes on.
Cory:a comedic like quest it's wild. It is wild, I do. I've never thought about the fact that Emilio about a third of the movie and just goes into his own.
Nick:And it's the most ridiculous. There are some ridiculous moments where it's like she comes in after that he didn't show up to the party or whatever or something, and she's just like you know she's talking about how she worries about it being too much about money and he's like money, that's what you want, all right, I'll go get that. And you're like she literally what's happening? What movie are you in?
Cory:He's like a law student who's in like I'm gonna become a pre-med or I'm gonna go to medical school, and then she's like, oh, that's not good enough. Okay, I'm gonna be like this Atashie or what.
Nick:Atashie to this Korean businessman, so I'll make money.
Cory:And then he just ends up back in law school at the end of the movie Spoilers but Love's hard.
Cory:So it's a 37 year old movie, so spoilers it's. I love it, it's great. I do think that this is the Brat Pack movie for adults. I think it's the one. I think there's a chronological order that you're supposed to grow up with the Brat Pack movies. I think it starts with 16 candles. That's his like. I think that's John Hughes' in the Brat Pack's most like teen movie. It's just, it's like. The most like Molly Ringwald is that high schooler who's self-conscious about her body, jealous of the really popular girl she has a crush on the jock, the pretty boy, jake Ryan. And well, I mean, he's attractive and Jake Ryan's a strong, freaking name.
Nick:It's true. Every time I hear Jake Ryan, I'm like my name is Daniel Corey, Like what the hell.
Cory:Like anyways, which is a very 80s name, but like it's not the right kind of 80s name. So one of them's dad and the other one's trying to be Michael Jackson.
Nick:That's what I'm named after.
Cory:And so. But like you don't like your parents high schools, you know, it's just you're always trying to fit in you're trying to be popular blah blah blah. Breakfast Club is like your high school movie where it's like you try to outgrow 16 candles which is okay. There's a lot of bullshit to high school. All right, the clicks, the like, the identities that you get assigned, all that stuff. It just tries to dismantle all that Small flaw with Ellie Sheedy's arc.
Nick:Just a bit so small Kinda goes against the entire theme of a movie. Right, gotta re-insit.
Cory:But like that's the one where you should be required to watch Breakfast Club your ninth grade of your high school and just be like, forget all the shit that you think is gonna be required of you.
Nick:That's fair and just be a normal person.
Cory:Like just don't be a dick For the next four years.
Nick:It's really not hard guys. Treat everyone cool.
Cory:Yeah, it's pretty cool, Like cool, that guy plays football. Guess what? There's like a 90% chance he won't in college. Exactly you know Like oh, you're in band, there's a 90% chance you won't be in band.
Nick:The 90% chance. This will not dictate your life after these years.
Cory:None of you are doing any of this for a living, probably. And so and then like then I think next is Pretty in Pink. Where it kind of revert back from that and it you kind of like I think it's like the hipster, like senior year, like our college year breakfast club, it's like you're kind of too cool for everything.
Nick:Yeah, you're ready to get out you think you figured it out. You think?
Cory:you're above all. That Breakfast club turns you into that pretentious douche.
Nick:Like I got it. I figured out that's Pretty in.
Cory:Pink, you know and so like, and you kind of like you think that you became a above all that and you don't realize that you fell back into the whole identity thing, just on a different level, like in a different game, you know.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:It's not jocks and nerds, it's like, but now it's like. Who listens to what right like vinyl? And like dresses and vintage thrift store clothes and like that becomes an identity. You don't, you're not even aware of it because you're just so far up your own ass. That's pretty impede. And then they're saying I'm on fire.
Nick:All right.
Cory:And that's the adult one. That's just where, all of a sudden, all that comes crashing down and you realize none of that prepared you for adulthood.
Nick:That's true. That's true At all. Yeah, none of it.
Cory:Your friend sleeping with your girlfriend. This one's doing drugs.
Nick:This guy has like a wife with a kid and and dating, dating your other friend who's never had sex.
Cory:The saxophone player and our group friend has tried to sexually assault everyone in our friend group and we're honestly, I think we're all a little relieved.
Nick:he got out of a bus to New York Like at the end we're like oh thank goodness Billy's gone, couldn't even go out anymore.
Cory:Well, we don't have to babysit that guy anymore. You almost wondered if those six people just didn't thrive after the saxophone player left, where they're like, wow, he's been a lot of energy taking care of that guy.
Nick:I could be, I could be advancing in my career.
Cory:I could be making a wife and child and we're just kind of like clapping for him. Like good job. Like it's the whole end scene. It's like it is the responsible thing. Yeah, I guess he pretty much says like I'm never going to grow up. Yeah, His line is literally post college. Life isn't for me and it's like well, what are you going to do? Kill yourself because you're in post college.
Nick:Yeah, welcome.
Cory:That's the rest of life and so. But he's like I'm going to go to New York and play my sax and they're all like they didn't really stop them from right.
Nick:No, they did not. They were like OK, they were like, but they act like he was like the base of all of their problems, even like, and they're all still kind of hanging out Like we're still going to be like she's. She's talking to both guys going we're still going to be friends, right, and they're like yeah, I knew I both would.
Cory:That's not, that's not last oh no, these guys are, these guys were they have a blood feud now. Yeah no, yeah, those guys never talk to each other again. But again, I think that's the movie. The movie again is that where you essentially saw the first casualty of their friend group and a year later they're not going to be friends or, like you know, within two years, like they're going to eventually move off or fall away into these other things. Right, yeah.
Cory:And so I love it because, nick, I asked you in the movie if you like relate to the Jen Nelson character at all.
Nick:Only. I had to think about it, because I was like what are you, what are you trying to say?
Cory:Again, I think if you watch a breakfast club in this movie back to back, you really appreciate Judd Nelson.
Nick:Oh yeah.
Cory:And it's baffling to me, this guy's not like a George Clooney, like he he acts so well. Yeah he's my favorite part of this movie and it's all because I really appreciate facial acting and he does. He gets a lot of close ups. He's really acting with his eyes. I think it's great. But like he's the you know in breakfast club, he's the wrong side of the tracks, a bully, you know high school bully. And then here he's the pompous rich kid I'm going to grow up to be a career politician.
Nick:It's complete.
Cory:They like all three breakfast club kids go against a type yeah you know it's, it's wild and so but he's the core member of the group and I was like Nick the relate to being a core member of a group A little bit, because I feel like you're the core member of your friend group.
Nick:Oh yeah, that's fair. That's fair to say. I'm like halfway in yeah, your friend group, so you have the ability to come and go as you please, you know.
Cory:But yeah, and I think it's, I think the movie does a good job of capturing friend groups in that way that if you look at friend groups and we've all, we all see other friend groups there's always a core person.
Nick:Yeah, it's the one that's kind of tied it like because this person, this person may not actually be friends, but because they're like well, he's my friend, so I'm going to, so I hang out with this person, so I kind of know them pretty well.
Cory:Yeah.
Nick:And then slowly you either become friends or it's. But sometimes it's like you, if that main person is gone, like they just don't hang out.
Cory:Yeah, and you are that person, I think for the respect of friend group. Yeah, that I do come in and out of. I'm like Pluto.
Nick:Yeah, you know, sometimes you're, sometimes I'm a planet, you know sometimes I'm not.
Cory:It's whatever. Sometimes I'm a. What is it?
Nick:I'm on this side. I'm on this side.
Cory:So but yeah, I do think, to tie this to the introduction, that St St John's Park is a great fall movie.
Nick:OK, it is in like.
Cory:Obviously it's set in the fall. There's like leaves everywhere. I think it's the beginning of like college. But, corey, there's, there's snow when they go to the mountains. Who has a mountain with snow? I mean, I genuinely, I mean like I'm trying to think it's set in Washington DC because it's at Georgetown University.
Nick:That's a good question, like where are there? The appellations are right there, right, but are they snowy, are they big enough?
Cory:I've never been there, I don't know either I'm assuming it's snow has everything to do with a coy altitude right? Sure, I mean, it's always snowing on Everest. Right, yeah, but so I mean, I don't know, you can't blame it. Ok, listen, fall cozies up to winter and it's at the end of the movie.
Nick:You're right, ok, all right.
Cory:But they say four months after graduating. They graduated in May. It's now. Ok, ok, there you go, I think we're supposed to believe that's the beginning of the next school year, because there's students around.
Nick:Right, it's when reality really hits, yeah, once the next generation, basically, is doing their classes.
Cory:You see the college happening around, you're like, oh, I'm not in it. Yeah, you know it's like oh, those bastards. They're being told what to do and nobody's telling me what to do. I've been told what to do my whole life and all of a sudden they're like you're an adult now. Figure it out. We just gave you a piece of paper. Use it.
Nick:Congrats.
Cory:What do I do? Put in a machine, I don't what.
Nick:Mostly hanging on a wall.
Cory:Cool, but I do have a top five fall movies, excluding Santa Most Fire, because it's clearly my favorite.
Nick:OK, this is my favorite movie. Ok, so it has to be.
Cory:But by other. I have a five, a top five fall movies.
Nick:Lay it on me. Just to say that there is a genre.
Cory:Ok, um, my honorable mentions were October Sky, mystic Pizza. We'll say that, ok. And Mystic Pizza just got booted by a very recent film Knives Out, oh, that's a good.
Nick:It's a good fall movie, yeah.
Cory:Just for Chris's sweaters alone.
Nick:Yes, the sweaters alone like a lot of iconography being built around the coffee cup and she's just like at the end there.
Cory:Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, just just Captain America's sweater commercial. It's just like mm fall.
Nick:It made everyone want to buy sweaters. Goodwill Hunting, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just phenomenal Um I.
Cory:it was between Goodwill Hunting or Dead Poets Society.
Nick:I would, I would lean Dead Poets Society myself. I know, you know, you know.
Cory:But. But I just went with Goodwill Hunting, just going to shout out my boy Tanner, ok, ok, which I think he also loves Dead Poets Society, so never mind.
Nick:Yeah, you're splitting him yeah.
Cory:Um remember the Titans. Yes, we had a small conversation about whether or not this counts. You said it counts.
Nick:I think it does. It has a very orange color, very much so, and football is a part of fall. Like people think fall, they think football season.
Cory:I think my fear was, if I include remember the Titans is like, well, they have to include. Every football is every football movie now gay.
Nick:No, no, no, no, no, cause I would say remember the Titans, yes, and he gave it a Sunday.
Cory:No, no no, no, Even varsity blues doesn't really feel fall, which is set in Texas. We don't get fall.
Nick:It's more it's more college, just party high school vibes. It doesn't really tie it. Even though it is about a football season, it doesn't tie itself to it.
Cory:I mean it's clearly fall, but it's in Texas.
Nick:Yeah, fall doesn't exist there, no.
Cory:So, uh, a little bit of a hidden gem. A George Clooney, Michelle Pfeiffer Vehicle called one fine day, oh not.
Nick:Batman Returns. No, they made a romantic comedy One fine day, yeah, um, in the nineties, and it's New York in the fall and it's great.
Cory:It's a delightful film. I think that's honestly, that's the best way to describe fall.
Nick:For most people, it's like a lot of these movies like they can be seen as like comfort films, and I think that's what it is. It's almost easy listening music, a lot of sometimes.
Cory:But again like. I would say that, like father of the bride is a comfort film, but nothing about it says fall to me it's more spring, it's more spring, it's more spring, it's more spring.
Nick:It's because it's marriage, you know, and babies and stuff.
Cory:Yeah, Um and then fantastic, mr Fox. Okay, is the all time?
Nick:Okay, like besides the only ones that I had listed that I don't think you listed were sleepy hollow Like it rides the line between fall and Halloween yeah. And then I always had it just as an honorary mention, because it's not a movie, it's a limited series over the garden wall. Is this animated series, that cartoon network, throughout one time, fall aesthetic? Corey Corey is arguing my, my final pick of the fellowship of the ring being a fall movie.
Cory:I don't think middle earth has seasons but it feels like fall in fellowship. I guess, but that's like Rivendale Right.
Nick:I just, I feel like.
Cory:Rivendale is just like. I feel like okay, listen, I just feel like seasons are geographical. In middle earth it's always freaking fall in Rivendale. I don't think it ever snows, I don't think it's too hot. I think if you go to Mordor it's always summer.
Nick:It's always black, it's always summer, it's hot.
Cory:It's just it's summer in Texas, it's Mordor, I don't think it ever gets snow or Christmasy, you know, and so that's what I feel like. I'm just saying listen, I'm going to just hey, listen, you want to crap on a Santa Most fire.
Nick:There's a lot of snow in fellowship of the ring because they're on mountains Because they're on mountains, corey, so do you get?
Cory:it now. We just figured it.
Nick:We got it together.
Cory:All right. So, um, I mean, yeah, but you're right, there's some, there's some fall vibes. Okay, it's kind of very fall.
Nick:It's the transition into them running to the woods, yeah, pretty much from after the first, when the second that kicks in, that's pretty much really hits those fall vibes Was that like dirty bar town they hit when they meet Aragorn. Oh, the Prancing Pony. Yeah that place, Whatever that town was.
Cory:that's like spring, it's just rainy.
Nick:Well, it's like April May, yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
Cory:I'm just saying I think it's a little geographical on some or whatever. Okay, I actually looked it up, I think it's like the best words for the seasons. So I guess seasons exist and I couldn't pronounce them. Or I would try, um, but yeah, yeah, yeah, so, um, I like that, I like that we're going to ask you.
Nick:We didn't go over any useless critic stats.
Cory:Oh yeah.
Nick:Did you want me to run you down with your favorite movies? Critic stats.
Cory:Forgive me, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Nick:I'm just worried it's going to hurt.
Cory:Listen, I already know Ebert hated this movie.
Nick:Okay.
Cory:Okay, all right. Okay, got good energy going in Okay.
Nick:So so St Emma's fire was given. On Rotten Tomatoes, it has a 42 critic and a 68 fan ratings. On Metacritic, it has a 35 out of 100, a 6.8 from audience members. And then IMDB or, excuse me, letterbox gives it a three out of five.
Cory:I think this movie unfairly lives in the shadow of breakfast. Oh yeah, that's what it is.
Nick:So you watch breakfast club and it's so well known that people go hey, did you only made another movie? They're like what Same year? What? Oh yeah, I've heard of that movie. Not many people actually have sit down and watched it, I think.
Cory:And like and listen. I like, I. Do you judge me for saying set on fire is my favorite movie. I just need to know more, See and I think that's what it is, because even I and we were watching this. We decided to watch this together before because you said you had watched it before.
Nick:True.
Cory:And then you kept asking me questions the whole movie.
Nick:It's been a minute. I've slept since then, Corey.
Cory:Wait what happens here. And it's like you said you watched this, so I don't think Nick really watched it before. I'm not even sure how much you watched it tonight.
Nick:I was observant, I was taking notes.
Cory:It's like I'm pretty sure Nick was watching Netflix on his laptop.
Nick:Just watching something else, watching breakfast club again.
Cory:And so I'm like over there hey, that's a good line. He's like what would he say? But um, I uh. Yeah, I do think it does live in the shadow of that, and my recommendation to people is watch it twice. I hated it the first time.
Nick:Yeah, watch it again and then you like it. Well, I think, also, being at the age that we are, that it's it hits different.
Cory:It does.
Nick:Because even in when we watched it I think the last time was kind of in college or right post college, but it was we were still very much in the throes of it. So now, as a adult adult, you say then go. Oh yeah, this is true.
Cory:It is, and I'm thinking again like I'll be a little biased, but my thing is is, like I even acknowledge that it's not a perfect movie, like there's flaws in there, like I've even poked fun at it since we started recording a little bit.
Cory:Like the Emilio has his weird side quest a third of the way the movie he like separates from the rest of the group and we don't see him with the group of friends until the end. That's true. He goes on his own quest and so he's that guy in D&D that doesn't play with the rest of the team.
Nick:All right, let's see what Steven is up to over there.
Cory:We're on this side of the map and I don't know why you're over there, but OK and so. But, like you know, and I think it has a third act that struggles, like I told you, that I think, like Rob Lowe and Mary Wingham ending up at the end, like together at the end, wendy and Billy ending, I felt like that was a reshoot. I feel like that was like a studio saying like we can't end on a bad note, and so the last couple of scenes feel a little dumb.
Nick:It's like we're going to give them kind of a happy ending, but not really.
Cory:And like that's it, and I just think like there was maybe some hesitation there to end on a very realistic idea of, like which I do. I don't really hate the last scene, even though it does seem like. Well, of course, andrew McCarthy and Jed Nelson are not going to keep being friends.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:McCarthy just slept with Jed Nelson's girlfriend and Jed Nelson's girlfriend found out that Jed Nelson's been sleeping with lots of it's a. It's a.
Nick:It's all no one's friends. No one's walking out of this. These are some deep wounds, Exactly you know and I get that they laugh it off.
Cory:But again, I do think there's enough of an air left to go like this is the end of their friendship. Maybe they're saying crap, but like even them saying like, well, we're not going to go back to this bar and we're going to get a new bar. It's like we're all going to get new lives, so. But I don't like that. Billy sleeps with Wendy. I feel like that was crowbarred.
Cory:Yeah, it's like they needed some sort of resolution there, and I feel like just kissing her on the forehead at the bus stop. I'm not saying anything.
Nick:What they needed was a little sex in this movie, All right we needed one nipple.
Cory:We needed. We needed Mary Wiengams nipple. That's all. That's what someone said. They said there's no nipples in this movie. It's 1985.
Nick:There's a 25 year old and they're not naked.
Cory:Yeah, so that's it. And so I some of the crazy things about this movie is that Wendy the actress, Mary Wiengams was pregnant while playing a version and she's actually quite old and rest cash. She already had two kids. Ok, she was into life. She did not actually have a say in almost fire type of problem. I don't know how she got cast as movie. She like was thriving. I'm like, I'm a working actress and I have a family. It's like I figured life out.
Nick:I'm good. She's like did not relate to this at all.
Cory:We'll pay you money, ok, she's like 20 year olds go through this Like they don't just come out of college. You know exactly what they're going to do and go do it and just nail it. Jolm Schumacher is like no people struggle.
Nick:It's really hard out there. You're really lucky. You're fortunate.
Cory:The in like. Probably one of the most haunting things about this movie is, to me, more is really going through a drug problem on the set. Like Joe Schumacher, I kind of kicked off set and pretty much said you have to go to rehab. And they had to have like a drug counselor on set with her while forcing her to play a drug addict.
Nick:Amazing. It's really haunting.
Cory:That's that's why she answers the phone, it's like waste all this good coke. And like licks her lips, it's like she's probably probably actually right there You're doing so good.
Nick:How are you finding this relatable? Well, you know, so yeah.
Cory:Yeah, but like I think the last thing I'll say before, maybe we look at a fresh cast for this. Ok for this mini, so is three things.
Nick:This is the last thing is.
Cory:John Hughes movie.
Nick:OK.
Cory:That John Hughes has nothing.
Nick:That's fair, because there were so many like people that tried to like make make another breakfast club or make a John Hughes movie, and they failed miserably, I mean he recommended some actors, but like I feel like this is the best one. Yeah.
Cory:I really do. I just it's, it's, it's wild, and so also I'll say this as a brat pack of this, you know.
Nick:OK.
Cory:Molly Ringwald usually gets. Pegged is like the face and I think, the core, the crux of the brat pack. I disagree.
Nick:OK.
Cory:I think Andrew McCarthy is the heart and soul of the brat pack.
Nick:But he's only he's in. He's in this one. What else is he in?
Cory:He's in he's in class, he's in less than zero, he's in well, mannequin which is not just talking like.
Nick:Obviously we're not just talking John Hughes movies, but he's just the last one, well, the brat pack, I'm saying the rat pack as a whole.
Cory:Yeah, yeah, like like, yeah, he's weirdly like he's not in the breakfast club, he's not in 16 candles and he's not in Pretty in Pink. You know those are. That's the Molly Ringwald trilogy. Anthony Michael Hall is the only one that really kind of goes through those.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:But I think Andrew McCarthy had like, I think I just feel like he's the guy. Like he's he's the brat pack.
Nick:He's the friend that glues it all together. I think so. Ok, I don't know why.
Cory:But every time I'm like, I'm like I just like Andrew McCarthy, more you know, and he isn't. He is in Pretty, in Pink, he's the yeah, that's what I was trying to remember.
Nick:He is the rich guy. Yes, ok.
Cory:That Molly Ringwald ends up with instead of John Crier.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:Because that's life, it's true, it's true, and so I just need to say that the only other thing that you and I both noticed watching this movie tonight is that 1985 was a saxophone heavy.
Nick:Very sax, heavy, lots of even we weren't seeing sex. We were seeing sex.
Cory:Yeah, this entire, like the entire score of this movie is a saxophone.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:There's a sweet saxophone solo in there by Rob's, like Rob Lowe. Yeah 1984, had Careless Whisper, which I think might be where it started.
Nick:The saxophone song. Yeah, I think.
Cory:Careless Whisper might have started something which Snowballs eventually into the saxophone guy in the Lost Boys right which has its own scene.
Nick:Yes, that guy still shows up at horror. There's no logic for him being there.
Cory:That guy has a career just going to horror movie cons and playing that song.
Nick:That's ridiculous In those pants. And it's like he's probably 60 now.
Cory:He is he's old, but he's kind of like old man, buff, yeah, he's really buff, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's still he's still buff.
Nick:Ok, got it, got it. No, yeah, the 80s are the only place, the only decade that really the 90s. There's a little room for some sax, but the 80s was just built for it, it's the only. It's where the saxophone peaked.
Cory:It's like 84 to 88. Probably had like a really the best run.
Nick:That was the run, and so.
Cory:I don't know if Kenny G plays saxophone or just a saxophone related instrument, but he's in there.
Nick:You know, OK, OK.
Cory:He's in there, so that's going to be the beginning somewhere. Also, this movie Coined to Turn the Brat Pack.
Nick:This one Coined to Brat Pack.
Cory:So the New Yorker article that coined the term, because it was actually a guy I've read this article, it's phenomenal who went and was like hey, these kids are making a lot of movies and making noise. He went and interviewed them and they were making this movie and the thing that most firepictures use and, like you, read this article and like honestly, judd Nelson and Emilio and Rob these guys were dicks Like they were, just like young guys that made it and they were like pretentious about it.
Cory:Like they were. It's almost like if someone, I think, interviewed Rob Pattison now or when he was 20, like it's just probably that guy. That's like, yeah, we're young and we're like screw out between Robert and Nero, we're what's next.
Nick:We're the new guys, yeah.
Cory:And so it's like respect. I think I like and I think that's what I like about the Brat Pack is Hollywood actors are often just a bunch of liars, like it's all fake, it's all phony. They have their narratives and it's just like you don't know who they really are.
Nick:The Brat Pack was very openly like no, we're just doing really good actors and you know, and they were like sleeping with women and they were talking about it.
Cory:And so and this guy, like he coined the term to be a negative thing and they all took it as negative, Like they're like they hated being called the Brat Pack, and so that's why I say it incessantly. But I hope Jen Nelson is like mother effer.
Nick:How many times?
Cory:So all right, you want to cast this thing Sure Cause I was thinking we would take this to the late 90s. Okay, I feel like if the St Omostire was gonna be just to another and again guys, this isn't a traditional episode, there's no director, it's the dream cast.
Nick:This is conversation, loose, loose, loose rules here.
Cory:The reason we're doing my all time favorite movie in a mini sodas, cause I just don't trust it in the normal process. I don't want Nick, Ash or Cass near my favorite movie, picking actors that I have no control over. I just don't trust it with the one override and no, no, I'm not having it. So.
Nick:And that's why we have quantum dream cast.
Cory:So that's why we're here. So we're just gonna reimagine what maybe St Omostire looked like in the late 90s, cause I think the late 90s is the only other time you had a Brat Pack-esque happening A bunch of young 20-somethings.
Nick:Teenager well perceived making teen movies.
Cory:20-somethings making teen movies and they were all kind of interchangeably in the same movies you know and like so I was like I think it's a good time.
Nick:For sure.
Cory:All right.
Nick:So I do have. I believe you had enlisted me with seven.
Cory:I did. I just figured we'd do the same unless you have a Dale Beiberman cause.
Nick:she's the only other character I do have a Dale Beiberman for you, and it's just, it was just very quick casting the actress, the character played by Andy McDowell, the doctor. I just put Tiffany Theos in there.
Cory:You're saved by the bill thing, huh I did.
Nick:yeah, yeah, that's what I did.
Cory:I don't hate it.
Nick:Cause she'll be. She'll be a little older than most the most those cast but she was a senior when they were all freshmen right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah All right, just playing off, yeah, playing off that saved by the bill crush everybody had.
Cory:I don't, I didn't, I didn't do a Dale Beiberman, but if I had to like, come off the cuff real quick Okay. Probably. I don't know how old she was, but I probably go like a Drew Barrymore.
Nick:Okay, drew Barrymore, I don't see, I don't see her as a doctor.
Cory:She played a high schooler and scream in 96, 97. She can do this.
Nick:So she can still play like a post college. Okay, yeah, cause she was in her twenties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Interesting. You don't see Drew Barrymore as a doctor. I don't see her as a doctor. I see her as, like, a therapist.
Cory:You don't see her as like, like kind of a lovable doctor, like that would be kind of like Like a children's doctor, maybe, yeah, maybe, sure she's a pediatrician, okay okay. We don't know what kind of doctor Andy.
Nick:McDowell was. No, it's just Kind of like an urgent care, like surgery or something. She seemed like she was there in the action. She's making the big bucks score.
Cory:She couldn't even have lunch and kept getting calls.
Nick:That's true, she was an important doctor, you're right.
Cory:All right, I don't care I had to go off the cuff Drew Barrymore is who I would put All right, so in no particular order. Let's start with Wendy Beamish, originally played by Mary Wingham. Okay, all right and she is the kind of the ugly duckling of the group.
Nick:I would. Yeah, she's kind of her whole arc.
Cory:She's self-conscious about her body. She's in this talk from a relationship with her sex film playing friend Billy, who she knows is Mary that's a kid. But what she's really doing she's trying to escape the antiquated ideologies of her family.
Nick:Yes.
Cory:Who thinks she should just marry the first dude. Mainly marry their pick.
Nick:Yeah, and that you learn to love them. Like it's very old traditional style marriage thing. And her dad is not listening to her the entire movie he's like.
Cory:he's like oh, you can quit your job when you get pregnant. It's like what Sure, even for 85.
Nick:Yeah, I'm like, come on Working girl.
Cory:some movie Like listen, Sigourney Weaver's brought us a long way, buddy.
Nick:Chill out here.
Cory:So yeah, so who do you have?
Nick:I had a hard time finding anybody that was like super prevalent at that period of time, so I'm just gonna bring you a young Sarah Paulson.
Cory:I recognize the name. I'm having a hard time.
Nick:She's mostly tied to the American Horror Story stuff. Now she's the light Burnett actress. She's been in lots of things. She's active in the 90s but she's not in a big movie.
Cory:Okay, I know who you're talking about.
Nick:She has an off kilterness about her, and so I think that that would play well with this role.
Cory:I don't know man, she's got some serious cheekbones. I don't think she would have been self-conscious at all.
Nick:It's called acting Corey Acting. She's kind of mousy in her.
Cory:Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying for sure, okay, so I've like, because this is my favorite movie. I had a hard time. I had like multiple names for all these, so I'm gonna tell you what I did. I had Robin Tooney here.
Nick:I thought about her. Okay, okay, you know she's the craft, and when I was trying to match.
Cory:She always played like the alternative kind of you know dark one. I had Heather Matarazzo, which she that's what she did in the 90s. She played the squeaky voice like loser and everything.
Nick:Okay.
Cory:And so. But you know who I'm gonna give it to, Cause I don't think she ever got her shot. I don't think she got a real shot other than drive me crazy. Melissa Joan Hart. Nice, Okay all right. Melissa Joan Hart was kind of miscast and drive me crazy as the popular girl.
Nick:So I come on, do you call her Risha. Yeah, she's relatable. She's too relatable, you're too relatable to be the popular girl. You know she was the yearbook girl in in Kane Hardley Way. Like it just fits there, I'm gonna give it to Melissa Joan.
Cory:Hart, we're gonna give her some serious stuff to do here. Okay, all right, that sounds good. Yeah, all right.
Nick:Yeah, I would say she's more traditionally like pretty, as opposed to our Mayor Winningham was in the original.
Cory:He's through me, sarah Cheekbone Paulson, she has cheekbones okay, she's cheekbones for miles. All right, so like listen, you can give Joan Hart.
Nick:Okay, all right, all right, All right.
Cory:Kirby Kager, which is pretty familiar as to this, he apparently gets top billing in the movie because they went alphabetical order. He's Martin Sheen's kid, but you know that's a.
Nick:Didn't you change your name? No, I don't know what you're talking about. That didn't happen at all.
Cory:But we're gonna give him kind of low casting just cause he is an aside artist.
Nick:Yeah, he's got his whole other world going on.
Cory:He's got a really strong scene with Andrew McCarthy at the beginning and then he goes on his own quest.
Nick:Corey I pulled out. There may be just a bunch of people from Can't Hardly Wait that I wasn't even thinking about it, I knew you were just gonna pilfer from. Can't Hardly Wait I don't think so, but this one is Breckenmeier, is my Kirby Kager.
Cory:Breckenmeier's solid.
Nick:I think you can consider Breckenmeier he's gonna nail this whole subplot like 100% and you're gonna like him, even though he's doing like all this random stuff, and you're going this dude's crazy. I don't hate it.
Cory:I do not hate it.
Nick:That's a solid choice. He's got a likableness about him.
Cory:Okay, so I thought about Mark Wahlberg for a second, but I think he might be a little old.
Nick:He's right around this age. He's right around this age, but I think he comes off old Okay.
Cory:Because he was in fear with Reese Witherspoon, which he essentially him just stalking a high school girl and becoming murderous. But I think he's supposed to be like a young adult in there, but he comes off old, he comes off as 30. And so if we were doing like a 94, 95, I would totally let Matthew Lillard have fun with this role. But I would let Matthew Lillard have fun with most of these roles If this was a 94, 95 type of situation.
Cory:But because we're at where we're at late 90s, I'm saying like 98, 99. I'm going JGL, Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
Nick:Dang, he's gonna be the young one in the group he is. How old is he gonna be at that point?
Cory:He's gonna be like 20, 21, something that's really young. He just made a, and this is the time he's making Third rock from the sun. This is the time he's making, then things ain't about you.
Nick:Okay, all right. So he's playing a high schooler. He's playing a freshman high schooler.
Cory:It doesn't matter, he'll be fine. All right, all right, he'll be fine.
Nick:All right, all right, all right. Who's next?
Cory:Let's do Kevin Dolan's.
Nick:Andrew McCarthy's Andrew McCarthy.
Cory:Okay, andrew McCarthy, like probably like my favorite character in this movie outside of. Well, it's gonna be between him and Ally Newberry, but I like this character a lot yeah for sure he's kind of the witty one.
Nick:He makes the fun cracks and stuff. He's got dark humor, just his old outlook on life.
Cory:Oh yeah, he's not always talking about it. Everybody thinks he's gay.
Nick:But he does like the perfect, like you generally believe. He does have a thing for Ally Sheedy's Leslie, for sure. Yeah, for sure, for sure, cory, this is probably the oldest person I'm casting this movie. At this point, I'm giving you Paul Rudd, oh.
Cory:Well, Paul Rudd, he was in Clueless.
Nick:He's old yeah he's a little older. He's gonna be closer to 30 at this point, but the rest of the people I'm choosing are like mid-20s and down.
Cory:I don't hate it, just because I know that, like Paul Rudd's, aging well.
Nick:Yeah, so he's kind of. I mean he just did Romeo and Juliet like not too long ago.
Cory:Yeah, like he couldn't do high school, but he could do college.
Nick:Yeah, right right.
Cory:And it'd be somewhat believable. All right, this one was tough for me. I had five names. I'm kicking out Michael Rosenbaum and I'm kicking out Devin Sawaw.
Nick:Okay, and.
Cory:I'm kicking out Heath Ledger.
Nick:Yeah, Devin Sawaw was super young. They're all out.
Cory:Well, Devin Sawaw was just now making SLC punk.
Nick:I think he's fine.
Cory:Why are you just age-shaming my cast?
Nick:I'm just saying, I'm just throwing it out there.
Cory:It came down to Ethan Embry of Can't Hardly Wait, or Giovanni Robisi.
Nick:Okay, what'd?
Cory:you go with. I was thinking I'm giving it to Giovanni Robisi.
Nick:Okay, all right, that's fun. Get you a little more wisecracking in that he's dark.
Cory:Giovanni Robisi knows how to be kind of dark.
Nick:Yeah, he does I like he's my guy, plus he's in Smoke and Asus, so yeah, he's awesome yeah, he's just Giovanni Robisi, so All right.
Cory:Leslie Hunter has played by Ali Sheedy.
Nick:Okay, this one. I'll start with a little bit. I thought about Linda Cardellini.
Cory:Okay.
Nick:But I'm gonna give you Carrie Russell instead A Felicity. And Russell not bad and Waitress later on in 2007. I think she just has that. She can have that kind of like. It's a bit of girl next door, but it's just like the more calm, reserved, loving character that's like, but still wanting to be her own person, because that's the whole issue. She doesn't wanna just be the wife to Alec Newberry, she wants to like be Leslie Hunter and have a career still and stuff.
Cory:I like it. I like it. Reese Witherspoon was a little too young, A little bit there. I admitted that one.
Nick:Okay, all right, it's an election around the time.
Cory:And I love election, but I can't see her. I think she's good for the character, but just to you, I want Nev Campbell.
Nick:Nev Campbell okay.
Cory:Let's give her a little meat to chew on, besides running away from a guy on a mask.
Nick:Yeah, to be honest yeah, we gotta give her something else to do. She deserves more. She didn't get good shots until after Right, yeah.
Cory:And so and she's like in that Weird 90s and war movie wild things that's just famous for Denise Richards boobs. Oh and like. That's all it was famous for.
Nick:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and she's like she.
Cory:I think that's the most meat that never came on Godman era to do, because it was like the one movie she made that outside of scream.
Nick:Yeah, she got kind of picked as the final girl.
Cory:Yeah, like the, the heartthrob, yeah so all right, let's do Jules van Patton, which van Patton's never said in the movie. But yeah in the script she is given the name Juliana van Patton.
Nick:Okay, because it goes by Jules, I'm DB. She's the only one that has no second name.
Cory:No, her name, her nice name, only appears in the script, never In dialogue. In the movie she just goes by Jules, and that is played by Demi Moore, who is going through some tough stuff at the time. Got it, got it pretty much what she's going through in the moon.
Nick:I might have gone right on the nose with this a bit Corey, but I picked Alicia Silverstone.
Cory:Dang, that's good.
Nick:I think you know, if you, this is a few close. Clueless is 95, 94, 95 and so I think that at this point she'll be able to play like it's almost like a continuation. It's not really because her character in clueless was a good-natured human who was more trying to help her friends and stuff and she's gonna play this more self-centered figured character.
Cory:I kind of want to just like blow up my Jules and Leslie now, or it's like okay, think about this. Okay, I put like I thought about. I thought about Rose McGowan as being on the nose. Um, okay then and then I also thought like again kind of go in that campus like let's give Jennifer love Hewitt some meat to chew on you know, like let's give her some depth. Yeah, you know a character and let her play like a drug-addled post college grad.
Nick:Like.
Cory:Jennifer love, he would would be kill. Yeah, no, I think so too but the second you said Alicia Silverstone. I'm like let's give her the job. But what if we gave live Tyler the Leslie underroll and we just turn this into an Aerosmith music?
Nick:video oh my gosh, we get a song we get the song crazy.
Cory:And Alicia Silverstone is Jules and live Tyler is Leslie.
Nick:So you're gonna, you're gonna ditch your Neve Campbell for live, tyler.
Cory:No, I'm just talking. Oh, you're just talking about that. I thought that'd be incredible. Okay, I mean, I'm just saying we're doing a 90s cast. That's fair. Yeah, super 90s, true, true, true, true, true.
Nick:All right, so you're gonna stick with yeah, I'll just stick with Jennifer love you. Jennifer love it? No, I think she'll. I think she nailed that It'd be fun to watch also.
Cory:Jennifer love you, do something besides run away from. I do the hook.
Nick:Or just be, or you think I'm really yeah, yeah in the movie.
Cory:Um all right, Billy Hicks, who again they wanted, already Jay originally.
Nick:Okay, I'd fairly.
Cory:Rob Lowe really sold himself to Joel Schumacher.
Nick:Okay, cory, this is where my money's, my, my, my movie's gonna spend all the money, and I put Leo DiCaprio here.
Cory:Do. The guy just made tight, he did he's unaffordable.
Nick:Listen, he, he, he filmed it. We're gonna put in some magical idea where he's filming it after he's filmed Titanic. It's that little smaller movie he made before he like got to sign on to all the big movie that struck the lottery.
Cory:Yeah, yeah it's like they're like all on.
Nick:Just happens to also you just do.
Cory:I said we call Titanic. I mean, I don't know who's gonna see it. Everybody knows how the movie ends.
Nick:But what's gonna be good core is that's gonna pull in more people to watch. Say that happens sometimes.
Cory:Yeah, that little indie movie that got the person that just got done rapping the big movie right that Explodes when your little indie movies coming exactly yes, so yeah, it's great. I like that Again. I thought about Heath Ledger here. Okay thought about Skeet Ulrich here.
Nick:I thought you he might come up.
Cory:I thought Skeet Ulrich would be really fun here, but you know who I really think would be the best who. Paul Walker. Yeah, he's got some robloaness to that and Paul Walker is gonna sell those sentimental moments. Yeah, has to have like don't give up on me. You know, Paul Walker acts a lot with his eyes.
Nick:It's true, I really like dreamy eyes.
Cory:Yeah, yeah and you like, you're really like, yeah, don't give up on him. He's a piece of shit, but I'll give up on, you know, and the whole family family have your kid neutered. You know blah, blah, blah, because if he knocks up some he has to pay the yeah. Paul Walker is gonna do it.
Nick:It's gonna be good. Okay, all right, I believe in Paul Walker. I hate that.
Cory:I like that legacy is fast and furious because I think he's been so much better stuff, but whatever that's what it is. That's what it is. All right. Last but not least, judd Nelson's incredible role. He sells this movie for me.
Nick:Him and Andrew McCarthy Sell this movie for me he looks in this movie Especially. Maybe it's just the haircut like he gives off Pacino vibes Like if we were recasting Godfather in like late 80s I'd be like Michael Cole Leone, probably right there.
Cory:So so like for me and this is just like kind of just Give an idea of what I really like in an actor is a really like an actor who can act without talking. Yeah and I think Jen Nelson does this so much. He gets a lot of close-ups, he gets a lot of like reactionary type of scenes like I consider, like I Peg it down to karate kid at the end, when the the guy tells you know, johnny Lawrence, sweep the leg.
Cory:Yeah when Williams app could just act with his face. To me it's like that's acting. He you buy everything. Emotion, that he's telling you everything with his eyes. Yeah like, no, like I'm respecting this kid. That's cheating.
Nick:That's not the right way to do it.
Cory:You know, blah blah, blah, you know it's. It's Stan Gable at the end of like Revenge of the Nerds. There's a shot of him where you can tell he completely regrets everything he's done in the movie. And so that's all. Judd Nelson does this whole movie freaking. Love it when he, when the guy says you think marriage will make you faithful, and all he does is say yes, I'm like, I believe him and so I love this character.
Nick:It's a good character. So, Again, bad, terrible person. But horrible.
Cory:Just a real person. Yeah, real person. Yeah, most people are just bad.
Nick:He's building up a logic, and it said that it makes sense of like well, if I can get married, if she'll just marry me, then I'll stop. It'll tell me in my brain like I shouldn't sleep with all these women. That's everybody, though.
Cory:Everybody thinks that there's some quick fix to the problem Exactly like that scene is so impactful to me because you just like think, like someone says, you think that's gonna fix them. Yes, you know you know, and it's like no, you have a deeper rooted problem. And, like you know, I don't think you're seeing the whole picture, you're? I mean like thinking like, do you love this woman? Because I'm questioning if you do yeah you know, and so it's like, yeah, all right, who do you have for Alec? New Barry?
Nick:Listen, corey, it's it's late 90s. You got a leader leading role guy. I Picked the dude, I picked pretty Prince Junior.
Cory:All right, I respect it.
Nick:I mean, I it's gonna be. It's gonna be slightly different than other roles because we don't see him do a lot in this era outside of like teen, maybe college age type stuff. So him having to be kind of a yuppie, kind of a politician character, slicked back hair and stuff with the suit, it's gonna be fun. I think it's gonna be more of a departure than I think people assume when they just hear that.
Cory:I promised myself I was gonna avoid Freddie Prince. Okay because sometimes I feel like I only bring movies here to put Freddie Prince in them.
Nick:I mean, that's fair.
Cory:That's just, that's my default. If I'm bringing a movie to the late 90s, it's cuz I'm like I'm on Freddie Prince in this role right and so I told myself I'm not gonna do it, but I'd Totally agree with you because the way we described Alec earlier, he's the core, he's the, he's the guy everyone gravitate store and I think that was Freddie Prince for this group of actors.
Nick:Yeah.
Cory:I think the, I think Freddie Prince was the core of this 90s teen movement.
Nick:I think he was.
Cory:You know, people wanted it to be rightfully, but it was there was no friends.
Nick:Come on, it's.
Cory:Freddie Prince. You know he's at the core of this, and so I think he would actually do really well. Would have been nice. But again, mark Paul Gosseler, zack Morris, I would have loved it, but just a little aged out.
Nick:Okay, yeah, that's fair, yeah, I would have loved it.
Cory:I think he actually would have killed this role really well he's been.
Nick:I think that was a bit interesting to see for him.
Cory:This is what I thought about Paul Rudd as well. Okay, I don't hate Paul Rudd here, but and I hate this, I hate what I'm doing because I have an issue with our Barbie episode that Freddie Prince Jr Was not can, but I'm putting James Vanderbeek.
Nick:Hey, you're preaching to acquire here.
Cory:I'm putting James Vanderbeek and Alec Newberry role.
Nick:Okay. I think he would kill it I think you would do good, he would do good, he would do good.
Cory:I'm weirdly a fan of James Vanderbeek. I'm upset that we let Cast me in charge of something I Total misfire Freddie Prince and Sarah Michelle Geller, right there that you're barbing can 1997, but whatever, whatever you know, but I do like James Vanderbeek a lot. Yeah, and I do think he would have been a good kid, because we've learned later that he's very like self-deprecating. Right, yeah, he has fun with it a lot, so he would have been actually an extraordinary kid, but I think you would do good yeah.
Cory:I think so too Very much and so um, but yeah, so that's kind of like what we feel would be a good 90s. Yeah, say no, most fire. Um, I know this episode may not like. If you've never seen someone's heart, just go watch it, it's really good. I promise, like I've never led you astray like Tanner, try to get you watch Highlander and that movie about the closet time machine and I've never let anyone astray on this podcast.
Cory:Tanner's got the bad record, not me. Love you, tanner, but come on, just watch scene almost fire.
Nick:Why are you talking? We've recast in a condo this year.
Cory:Listen was that me, though? No, I'm saying, there's only one.
Nick:That makes some very daring picks for movies and stuff I'm just doing this.
Cory:Tanner's my cousin. He has to love me.
Nick:That's, that's true.
Cory:He does have to live, you know um and uh um, and he made me watch Highlander and so All right, but I did make everybody watch class dragon, but you're welcome.
Nick:That's true. That's true. That was your game, blaine.
Cory:It paid off and so yeah, and so I mean you never watched that until you, you know, that was the only reason you ever watched that was this podcast. Oh, maybe send almost fire gonna be just as good.
Nick:So see if Corey's gonna be two for two.
Cory:All right. Well, that's saying the most fire. That's why I like it. We think fall films is a genre.
Nick:It is, we've decided.
Cory:Bob means hop on social media and tell us your favorite fall film. Like what movie do you just think represents this weird month that is November, because Thanksgiving just gets Charlie Brown.
Nick:They've covered all the holidays.
Cory:It's got a Charlie Brown special in planes, trains and automobiles and I guess the family snow and then yeah and thanks, thanks killing, thanks killing.
Nick:one, two, three new you're out for Eli Roth movie coming out.
Cory:Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, we're just trying to like you know, we're just trying to help November out. So tell us your favorite fall film that was saying almost fire, as we think it would have looked in the 90s. Thanks for listening. Find us on social media. Say goodbye, nick.
Nick:Goodbye, nick.