What if Krampus was recast in the Early 90s?
Get ready to unwrap a holiday horror unlike any other as Nick and Cass team up to dissect the 2015 movie "Krampus," a unique blend of comedy, horror, and drama that has us looking at holiday films in a whole new light. We delve into the film's perfect union of horror and family drama, and discuss why the relatable characters make this unconventional yuletide movie a refreshing change of pace.
Nick and Cass are not just spectators; they're fans, applauding the ingenious practical effects and creature designs, discussing if "Krampus" would fit into the holiday movie lineup of that decade?
Dream along with us as we envision a cast for a possible 90s version. We dissect the roles, their dynamics, and reveal why we chose certain actors for these parts, from parenting styles to the emotional impact of specific scenes. Join us as we get creative with casting choices and scrutinize the characters in this holiday horror movie. Get ready for a chillingly entertaining ride with Krampus.
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Voice of the Time Machine:
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Editing by:
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Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
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What if Krampus was recast in the Early 90s?
Get ready to unwrap a holiday horror unlike any other as Nick and Cass team up to dissect the 2015 movie "Krampus," a unique blend of comedy, horror, and drama that has us looking at holiday films in a whole new light. We delve into the film's perfect union of horror and family drama, and discuss why the relatable characters make this unconventional yuletide movie a refreshing change of pace.
Nick and Cass are not just spectators; they're fans, applauding the ingenious practical effects and creature designs, discussing if "Krampus" would fit into the holiday movie lineup of that decade?
Dream along with us as we envision a cast for a possible 90s version. We dissect the roles, their dynamics, and reveal why we chose certain actors for these parts, from parenting styles to the emotional impact of specific scenes. Join us as we get creative with casting choices and scrutinize the characters in this holiday horror movie. Get ready for a chillingly entertaining ride with Krampus.
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
Welcome to Quorum Recast. This is Nick, and I'm joined today on our mini-sode Quantum Dreamcast with Cas. Hello, yes, that's right. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the most wonderful time of the year, depending on who you ask, and this podcast, that's October for about two thirds or two fourths of the team. I don't know where Ash stands on it. Honestly, we'll have to ask him at some point.
Speaker 1:But this is our episode to kick off the holiday season of Christmas. Welcome to Cas. You came to me and you said first thing I think this was back in October when I brought up that we were doing this and you were like can we please do Krampus? And I was like, yes, yes, we can do Krampus. That is fine. I think that will be good. So here we are and yeah, if you clicked on the link, you know what we're jumping into. We're taking the movie from 2015, krampus, and we're moving it to the early 90s. So, as you may or may not know, with these Dreamcast mini-sodes, we do not adhere to the rules as strictly. It's a little more loose and goosey here.
Speaker 1:That's a terrible phrase for 35 year old man to say but we're keeping it loose, and so we'll explain a little bit of that as we get into the actual casting. But before we do that, we'd like to talk a little bit about the movie and give you a little little, little little brief rundown of everything before we jump right in. Are you ready, cas?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:All right. So Krampus, like I said, it was released in 2015. It was directed by Michael Doherty, I think I said that. Right, it's like Do E-R-T-Y.
Speaker 1:But he directed Godzilla, king of the Monsters in 2019. He also directed Trick or Treat, which is also a great movie, and he also wrote, helped write Superman Returns, x2, x Men United and Trick or Treat, as well as this movie. He was joined by two other writers, todd Casey, who helped out writing Avengers, and he's, I guess, has had a role writing on Star versus the Forces of Evil. I believe that's a Cartoon Network.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Zack Shields also had writing credits. He also just helped out on Godzilla versus Kong and King of the Monsters. So a little unit here, if you will, of writers.
Speaker 2:Nope, no wonder why I like this movie.
Speaker 1:So the critic useless critic scores Cass. They do not bode well for our Krampus movie. Rot Tomatoes. There's a 66 critic score out of 100. The audience is worse at 52. Metacritic gives it a 49, which is to be expected of Metacritic. Yeah, imdb 6.2 score of users and Letterbox it has a 2.9. So it's generally middling to above average for a lot of people, which I don't understand.
Speaker 2:No, no. And I remember when I first watched it back in 2015 in theaters, my first date ever. I enjoyed it. I thought it was a fun film.
Speaker 2:And this was before I got into like movies as I am now. But I just remember at that time like, yeah, you have your moments where you laugh at it and you find it humorous or like unserious, but like watching it now at 24, I actually love it a lot Because I think it has a nice balance of, like you know, family, just it's very I don't want to use the word angsty, but that's kind of like you know, it's just very emotional at times and scary. Well, it's still in with a lot of just family issues.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it does it in other than like, obviously, the horror elements and the Krampus magical elements, like the human conflict is real and understandable and the characters aren't even even you know, like Howard and his family, like they're not super exaggerated, like they're the real people that you're like.
Speaker 2:I know these people. I have family like that.
Speaker 1:Right, you're like like it moving it to the nineties, which we'll talk a little bit more in detail, but it's so close to Christmas vacation now. As I was watching it through and like thinking of casting, I was like I was almost having to say they're like just don't cast everybody from Christmas vacation, like just avoid that, but it's. But really what you do when you move it to here is you're kind of making it really it's like anti that and it's like the anti-homolone. It's almost going like this is counter product for people that are like I'm sick of these Schmelzie Christmas Like those three would be a fun. Like you're going slow, like from like true, like Christmas to like anti Christmas almost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and I think, like that's what I love about the movie so much, because, yes, I am a horror fan, but I am someone that, like you know, has watched a decent amount of Christmas movies. I'm like you know, let me have something that's not so happy, which is sad to say.
Speaker 1:it's a little scary to say it that way I don't want to be happy during Christmas.
Speaker 2:I don't want to happy, but I just. I think that's what I like about it, because there is a horror aspect to it. And it is scary to think about. Like you know, this is the most wonderful time of the year and it's like no shit's about to go down Like.
Speaker 1:I think you I think you nailed it on the head at the top of this was saying that it just balance. It's so good at balancing all those different elements like the horror to the family, stuff it never really dives into, like the true, like Schmaltzy kind of oh it's Christmas scene.
Speaker 1:It's great, there's a few parts of that, but it runs the gauntlet of comedy to horror to true, like just drama going on with the family, but it also, I think, aesthetically gets a lot of things right, like between, like the designs of the Christmas, even the opening at the mall, you know, which gets us into that sets the tone of like. This is modern, it's talking about capitalism, is showing that the darker side of Christmas, and then family, and then it jumps into the family having issues and just not getting along at all, which happens I have. I saw so many memes about Thanksgiving and everybody that's just drinking during Thanksgiving and I turned my mom's like do people do people just do? This is normal for people? Like we're not. We're not a drinking family, obviously, but like, but I was just like, you know, even if like it was an option and I maybe like one or two, but that's, I'm not going to go nuts with it.
Speaker 1:But some people, it seemed like they just have to get through the holidays, and this family probably did the same. I'm sure Uncle Howard was getting on everyone's earth?
Speaker 2:No, and yeah, go ahead no but with what you just said about Thanksgiving to be on that opposite spectrum. No, my family's not a drinking family, but it's like, yes, there is times that like it's like, oh God, this certain family member's coming by like how are we going to get through it? So it's like hearing that, for like this particular movie.
Speaker 1:Everybody has that one, a family member, a group of family, a unit of family.
Speaker 1:They're like, okay, we just got to get through the next three days, oh gosh. But no, I think it does well with that and you know it also does a great job of raising the stakes. Sometimes I feel like horror movies. It's like there's one wild instance and then you're like, well, that was interesting, and then it kind of doesn't pay off completely. But this movie does so well, like even though and it doesn't show us I'm a big fan of the slow burn, don't show the creature the entire time until the end, and it does a good job with that, with Krampus. But then we're unexpectedly we're just these gingerbread men to the toys and the attic.
Speaker 1:And then the elves also become like this big factor. Like I forgot about the elves. But rewatching and I was like, oh, that's right, Like because you think like they got it, they finish it off and it's such a good moment of pulling the rogue out on the family Cause, like the Omi is just like elves and they just rush in, grab half the people and you're like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:And Dorsey just goes right out the window. And then the thing what was it under the snow? There was that as well. That was like sucking up, like almost everyone.
Speaker 1:I think maybe was that the. It wasn't the Jack of the Box character, but it could have been like something like that.
Speaker 2:I think it was something like it, cause I don't even remember, did we ever see it? I think we did.
Speaker 1:We might have. I don't quite remember but rewatch again. But yeah, I think they do such a good job creating creatures that made sense to be a kin and a tie to Krampus. It's all just dark Santa stuff, like I mean the gingerbread cookies being evil, the toys being evil, the El, like it's all. But it all makes sense and it's not just it comes out of nowhere, but in a good way we're like oh my gosh, this is insane, especially the addicts, the addicts seeing like.
Speaker 1:I remember to quickly talk about when we watched it for the first time, like me and Corey and our group went to watch it and once the addict thing happened, you're just like oh my God, this is insane, what is happening? But in the best way possible, like and there the design of each of them, from like the teddy bear with the teeth, to the creepy jack in the box with, like the mime mask, to the flying like harpy thing, angel thing. It's all just hitting the right notes of like this is way too creepy.
Speaker 2:But yeah, in a good way. And I think that's like why I even like the gingerbread scene so well too, because like they look like, you know, real like gingerbread cookies, and then all of a sudden they just come to life, get bit on the head by Howie Jr, and it just becomes like a whole thing where they are able to like tie him up, get him up the damn chimney and it's just it's. It's really really cool how they did that with everything, and even towards the end Krampus was even really cool looking, and I think that's what I like about this movie is that it does base it off like the actual like lore of Krampus.
Speaker 1:Right it's, it's a well, I think it's a well done horror movie, Even if you would want to call it that it's. A Christmas horror movie is obviously what it is. But it blends the elements of drama, comedy, horror and the you know, heuletide kind of themes that are often in those type of movies really well, Because I think I would not sit down and watch this movie with my mom. But it is a good I like to call these a lot of them Christmas adjacent movies, where they're not like those typical family friendly movies but there's something that you watch to ease you into the Christmas season.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think I think Krampus is is a Christmas movie, but it has those elements of those movies that are like I wouldn't just sit down and watch this with certain family members, you know. So it's a good Kickstarter like, like a diehard and stuff to start December with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:So my question for you, speaking of gingerbread men. So we're moving this to the early 90s. Those of you that were alive during that aren't aware of it. You know this is the time of Tom Hanks. This is the early Disney Renaissance movies. We're talking about the beginning of the big blockbuster movies like Jurassic Park and things like that.
Speaker 1:That comes out towards the more, towards the middle. But like we said earlier, at 89 you get Christmas vacation. Home alone comes out in 1990. So a lot of these very family friendly movies are coming out, some holiday stuff as well with, like the Santa Claus and things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that this fits really well here as kind of counter programming for all of that, and I think even moving it to the 90s, just you get even better. The creatures, I think, still work really well.
Speaker 2:No, definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for me personally, I think the one thing that I wish had been real the gingerbread men. I think this works for it, because they get to be puppets now instead of CGI. That was the only thing. I was just like man. I would have enjoyed this. I think it would have been a lot better if the gingerbread men were quote unquote real.
Speaker 2:And I think of like, since it's being like set more in the 90s. This is a couple years after child's play, so you're always kind of getting that same vibe of like how Chucky looked with like the toys. So it's just like it's still going to have that same vibe. It won't be as, maybe as creepy like as it was in 2015, but you're still getting that like these creepy like you know toys or gingerbread or elves, Like it'll still be done really, really well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I think the right word for it is when you have practical effects and realistic creature, even if they're, you know, a Jim Henson creation, a horror creation, there's a tangibility to them, you can reach out, it's real, it's believable. When you have CGI, it's very hard to make that a thing when you're just, when it's only CGI based, but I do the. I think that that's what was successful about Krampus in 2015 was the tangibility of most of it, I think in 1990, that just becomes more so the case.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. I mean from the Krampus design. Like you said, it's still going to be. It's early 90s. Things were dark then we were selling our rated movie toys to kids. So it's going to be fine. The toys, I think they'll all be fine and they'll translate well in a good 90s way I think. But I do think the gingerbread man get the biggest beef upgrade just because, like it will be that 90s style of you know puppetry and stuff. I think it'll just be more. It'll just smooth everything out like it'll get with everything.
Speaker 1:Now I do have a question. Before we get to my final question, there's the other part that I really like is the stop animation sequence. Stop motion animation. It's like a kind of it's a blend of 2D, 3d and it's coming off as a stop motion kind of. Look, it's when the grandma Ami is talking about when her. That also, I think, the people that made this. I think we're just very aware of holiday movies as well as horror movies and we're aware of, like, the touchstones and things to hit to make sure that it felt very Christmasy, very like the holidays, and that stop motion sequence I think nails it.
Speaker 2:Think about the director you mentioned that he did trick or treat and just think of like the stuff that he did in that, like with the comic books and just making it feel like a Halloween like sort of situation or not situation but movie, and that was fun. So it's like seeing it in Krampus is even cooler because of this stop motion and giving you that Christmas vibe, but in a terrifying way.
Speaker 1:Right, 100%. I think I just love that too. And you talked about this like you think the grandma is creepy, the Ami is creepy, and you know your need to be fair. You're not wrong, you send me the link, something in there. But we did have. We do have a friend who their grandma she calls her grandma Ami, so it was very. She was like this creature out because this is too close to home. So you've heard the story of Krampus and she's like yes, oh my God, that's amazing Sorry.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think that's what's wild too. Is that really? Up until you know Krampus had come out there? I was not super aware of the like historical figure of Krampus. You know they kept that out Of the the all the Christmas movie. It is weird because I mean there are dark elements to a lot of Christmas, christmas Carol, but that's not really touching on the Santa mythology. The stop motion, the rake and bass claymation stuff from you know this from back in the day to you know that late 80s it had dark elements to it. Some surprise that Krampus was never touched upon as much.
Speaker 2:No, and it's. And it's like, whenever you think of like Christmas horror movies, you think of like I don't know Jack Frost, you think of like just the different types of like killer movies that they'll make, where it's just a random serial killer, or just Jack Frost, is a.
Speaker 1:That's a wild one.
Speaker 2:That one's interesting. But but like, when you look at this movie, like there actually is a story behind it, like there's actually and it's been around forever and it is a cool concept, because it's not just like, oh, you've been naughty this year, you're getting cold. It's like no, you don't have the Christmas spirit.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Krampus is coming yeah the 2010s and stuff around. You know the turn of millennium. I think we started to see more of a growing interest in Norse mythology, yeah, region like stuff like that, because I mean, like the God of War, video games shifted to Norse mythology. Yeah we had the Thor movies with Loki and stuff and I think there's been a growing interest in that you have. There's another movie, rare Exports, that came out.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I've heard of that one that's like Dark Santa, like if Santa was evil himself.
Speaker 1:Krampus itself is actually a twin movie. If you did not know this, another horror movie called let's literally call it a Christmas horror story was released in 2015. As William Shatner, rob Archer, george Booza I don't know who that is, but basically it's interwoven stories that take place on Christmas Eve. One of them involves Krampus. I think it's Santa fighting Krampus, so it's very, very wild. I might have to watch this.
Speaker 2:It's like a Freddy versus Jason Pretty much.
Speaker 1:I guess if Santa was evil too, that would be. That would be the equivalent to it.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. I think I've heard of that too, and I've never seen it.
Speaker 1:I just remember it coming out and being like, oh, I guess we're just doing dark Christmas movies this year when we had like multiples of those in the same year. All right, cass, I have one last question before we probably move into casting and so, obviously, spoilers, we don't care about you if you're this far and because you clicked on it, because you probably have watched Krampus, if not, I'm going to give you the warning here to like skip ahead five minutes, I guess. But, cass, at the end of the movie, everybody's gone, everybody's been taken. You know Max, our lead character. He tries his best to. He begs Krampus to just let take his wish back and get his family back. Krampus just laughs at his face.
Speaker 1:A hole to hell basically opens up in the earth, dumps his cousin into its Stevie and so he dives in after him, you think, and then we get a, you know, a blackout, basically, and he wakes up to Christmas morning. Everything's fine, except like they suddenly get this boating sense that someone's watching them, the music continually plays and they zoom out and they're in an ornament on a tree in what looks like Krampus's domain. So my question for you you as a fan of Krampus and this ending is the family dead Like? Are they in hell or just just dead? Are they trapped in this magical ornament by Krampus, or are they just alive and Krampus is watching them? And it's more of this, this warning to them.
Speaker 2:Oh see, and I think for the longest time I assume that they were dead, yeah, but it was just almost like, not to say like their souls and stuff, but it's almost giving them like that false hope of, hey, you're going to have now this happy like Christmas family time, like so. It's just like it's all fake.
Speaker 2:So it's like Krampus is almost like watching and laughing like ha ha, you're going to be stuck in this. Like it's weird to use the word simulation, but that's the like mindset that I go to where I'm like I wonder if it's almost like an ongoing. It's going to be like a later on ongoing thing.
Speaker 1:It's Christmas every day. It's literally the idea that is in other movies. Accepted this. It's literally a punishment.
Speaker 2:It's terrifying.
Speaker 1:People might do that Christmas every day as a punishment. I do remember. There's a what is it Mickey's once upon a Christmas? There's a segment where Huey, dewey and Louie wish for every day to be Christmas and that's the only time there's. I think there's one other like kids movie that may touch on that subject, where they just keeps going and you know, obviously it's Groundhog Day, you get tired of it, you figure out, and it's really there to teach them a lesson of like hey, you should be a better person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I do like what you said, like that they're alive and it's like Krampus is like actually watching over them. But I just feel like it's definitely deeper than that, like it's definitely something like they're either dead or they are like I don't know, being like punished because I just I don't know.
Speaker 2:I like the idea that they are like I don't know. It's an interesting question, but I think that's what I like about the ending is that you don't know, but you just know how creepy it is that they're probably not the only family that went through this that there are these other ornaments and Krampus is watching. But I guess the real question is is it? I was thinking about Omi, like because Omi survived Krampus the first time?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And she got that ornament from Krampus. So obviously she didn't go back to him and say, hey, I want my life back, like Max did.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But she, like you know, was she being watched by Krampus the entire time. So is it like a sort of situation like hey, this is my warning to you, Don't let this happen again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because she definitely was punished, like she was left without her family and stuff. It's like he took them, so there is, but she didn't go to Krampus and say I want my stuff back, or my family back. But when he did that Krampus laughed in his face and stuff too. And there's the moment where Krampus is about to drop him in and he says, like I just wished Christmas was like it was before.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And he just so. So I think they do a great job of just making it, blurring the line and making it not completely like just easy to decipher and go well clearly, clearly there. I think it's good. It's one of the many good endings where there are multiple possibilities, for sure, but yeah the idea of them being stuck in Christmas every day and being stuck with each other.
Speaker 1:That would be that. That's a pretty dark and morbid ending. I mean, being in hell and an ornament or something like that also is pretty bad. So I think either way it's a fun. What if or what, asking people what they really think the ending of the movie is. Yeah For sure. All right, cass, we've talked a little bit about. Is anything else that we should talk about? I think we'll talk deep dive these characters as we go further in on the casting here, obviously.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think we're ready to go.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:So we're going to start with our 30 seconds or less and, for those of you that are new to the show or, you know, are familiar with it, normally we have this. Normally there's three of us and with quantum recast there's two different people are giving cast list and one of us is picking between the two cast list. On dream cast, it's just two of us discussing a movie we like that maybe you haven't heard of or seen or not. People aren't that familiar with, but it's this. This is more of a relaxed casting where we're just comparing and contrasting each other's cast list that we've come up with.
Speaker 1:So, with that being said, 30 seconds or less, it's still the speedy version, a section of our show where we quickly run through some supporting cast members that maybe don't need as much time to dive into, but we still like them and they're memorable, so we want to give a little nod to them. So the four we have selected cast after discussing it. We have chosen Aunt Dorothy, who's played by Conchata Farrell, if I'm saying that right, most people know her from two and a half men. Beth Engle played, that is, max's sister, the main character, steph oh, this is a name.
Speaker 2:Stefania.
Speaker 1:LaVie Owen. Okay, I don't know anything she's from other than this Stevie played by Lolo Owen. These are kid actors, so they probably are just getting their start or the now they're doing. They're in the 20s. Stevie is Max's cousin, who's kind of the main one. I would say there's.
Speaker 1:There's two doc, two sisters, and they're very much masculine masculine or butch or, you know, tomboyish, but Stevie's kind of the front facing, like one that has the most character, time and stuff, and she's like you said earlier, she's the one who survives almost to the end with Max Yep. And then we have Linda, who is Stevie's mom, and she's more of a more of a mousy, quieter character that's not really good at stating up for herself but is still wanting to have everybody have a Merry Christmas and stuff. She's played by Allison Tolman. So those are the four. So, cass, I'm going to let you, we'll go character by character, but I'll let you go first and tell me who you got for Aunt Dorothy.
Speaker 2:All right, so I went with Kathy Bates.
Speaker 1:Kathy Bates. That's a good choice. That's someone I thought of as well Almost put that down, so we almost had a match.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:But I put a Roseanne bar.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think you know the both of these. You know Conchata. She's older, so she's. So Dorothy is Linda and I believe she's Linda and Sarah's aunt. That's what. That's the family tree. But I kind of put it as like, well, we could cast her because they're both of these actresses are like in their late 30s or early 40s. So I just put it that they're Howard's sister, the other dad in the movie. So it just made it easier than trying to find specific ages and stuff. But I think both these ladies could play it either way.
Speaker 2:Oh 100%.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think both play to the strengths of Conchata Farrell's role, where she's just, she's more. The country speaks her mind, everything. There's no filter going on with her and she's completely oblivious to like why is everybody so mad? I'm just here, no, I think that's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Was it she not invited either, and she just came.
Speaker 1:Well, Linda's like mentioned it to her. So she was like well, I'm going to come, and then that's why everybody's like why did you invite her? She's the family member.
Speaker 2:She's family.
Speaker 1:OK, moving up, we've got Beth Engle Again. This is Max's sister. She gets caught. She's probably one of the first ones to go. She goes to visit her boyfriend down the street but gets lost in the blizzard and is taken from under the UPS fan, I believe.
Speaker 2:It was a van of a sort, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a van of some sort. She thought she was getting away, but she did not. Yeah, so who do you have Cass for Beth?
Speaker 2:I went Danielle Harris. She was in an episode of Roseanne at the time and Boy Meets World and she is Halloween alumni. She was like the young girl in Halloween. She played early on like kind of girly playing, like you know, because she was the pretty girl she could get the guys, whatever. So I felt like but she plays a good person as well, so she would be like a really good sister to Max but also be kind of distant as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 91, she's in. Don't Tell Mom the Baby Sitter's Dead.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:For people. That needs a little more context going on. So, yeah, I could see that for sure. I picked Ariana Richards. Most people will know her as the older sister in Jurassic Park the original, not this trilogy of garbage that we got with Chris Pratt, anyway. But I think she just she can play that line of like being kind of the angsty older sister that's like I'm too cool for this but also being likable enough that you don't want them to get taken by Krampus.
Speaker 2:Definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, All right, Stevie the cousin, who do you have for Stevie?
Speaker 2:So I went. I went DJ Tanner, I went Candice Cameron Burr Only because, like, she's always kind of played the role of like not really being like the girly girl. She's always been the tough one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think she would play that role very, very well.
Speaker 1:And this is early on Full House Run early 90s, so she's not quite the teenager that I think a lot of people she would have been, yeah, in the 90s, I think.
Speaker 2:I looked up she would have been like 13, 14. So she still would have been a good age for this role.
Speaker 1:Because I think a lot of people will associate her with later Full House seasons where she's definitely the teenager that's going on dates talking to Steve yes, Just funny.
Speaker 2:But I didn't put that together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I picked Shawna Waldron. Most people will know her as Becky the Ice Box from the Little Giants which comes out in 94. So this I think is an earlier role for her before that. But I think she can nail kind of that obviously the tomboy vibes of Stevie who's just kind of is just giving Max crap the entire movie, especially during the scene of the dinner table when her and her sister steal his letter to Santa and start mocking him for it, and that's pretty much where things play out, so where she goes.
Speaker 2:dad did not want us to be boys.
Speaker 1:Which you're like oh there, I think I did. I love that they come in and they're just like they're upset that the Steelers lost. I'm like that sets the tone right from the get go. I'm like I know exactly where they're from. I know exactly where their importance lies, like a move on. It's little smart things like that when it doesn't feel forced, but it adds so much character work going on through the whole story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:OK, who you got for Linda. Linda is Stevie's mom, howard's wife, like we said quieter, but anyway who you got.
Speaker 2:So I went on a little bit at the younger side because once we start talking about Howard we'll understand his character a little bit more. But he's a little arrogant. He's a little just always wanting to be like, wanting to one up people and just expect a lot from people. So I like the idea of Linda being the stepmom to Stevie and Jordan them. So I went Phoebe Cates, who of course is known from Gremlins Fast Times.
Speaker 1:Romy Michelle's reunion. Right, yeah, exactly, no, no, no, I'm sorry, that's Phoebe from Friends, so you're picking Phoebe Cates, yeah, from Fast Times. Or John High Gremlins, so you do. Ok, I see what you're doing. A little throwback to the Gremlins world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how old is she now? She would have been 27 in the 90s.
Speaker 1:OK, so she's definitely playing like the trophy wife for.
Speaker 2:Howard, basically Gotcha.
Speaker 1:OK, I see, I see, I see. My brain was like wait a minute, she's a child, what are you doing? That's wrong, or?
Speaker 2:no, she's not a child anymore.
Speaker 1:She can't play. We're not casting the kid right now. Nick, get it together. My Linda I picked. I stayed with an older mom. They would say the same age. I picked Mary Steenburgen. Most people will know her. She is Clara from Back to the Future 3, who Doc falls in love with when they go to the West. They also know her from the Mom and Stepbrothers, and then Time After Time is also a nice throwback movie that people might know her from.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:She has that kind of sweetness to her Also, just kind of like, well, I'm just trying to raise my kids and listen, you would believe that she's like I couldn't tell Aunt Dorothy. No, she asked what we were doing. I just had to, I couldn't live.
Speaker 2:And you're like Linda.
Speaker 1:Linda.
Speaker 2:Damn it, Linda.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so those are 30 seconds or less, I think that's. I think we're off to a solid start here. I think we're aware of the 90s. It's a safe place to play, I think, for all of us on the Quantum Recast. We definitely know our 90s pretty recently. So let's move in to the main cast here. We've got five names we've got to get through before the hour's up, and that is Howard, played by David Koshner. Did I say that right?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people know him Koshner Koshner from, also from Anchorman, and things of that nature appeared on the Office.
Speaker 2:About Destination 5.
Speaker 1:Yes, grandma, or Ami, who's played by Christa Stadler, apparently. I don't know anything she's from.
Speaker 2:I don't think I know. I think she was kind of a starting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or she's just. It's hard to find a actor that is German, speaks German and is able to do some English and stuff.
Speaker 2:That's very true.
Speaker 1:Or like we wouldn't be aware first what I'm saying, but Tom Engel played by Adam Scott of Parks and Rec Fame. Sarah Engel played by Tony Collette of her redditary fame and kind of a horror icon herself now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then we have Max Engel, the lead character, played by MJ Antony, and we'll go a little bit further into each of them as we're going up and down the list, but first we're going to start with Howard. So, cass, I'm just going to keep passing it back to you. So who do you have for Howard? Again, played by David Koshner, he's like in Christmas Vacation. He's the crazy uncle. He shows up and he's the one that uses a lot they use a lot of dialogue for him. It's very topical. He's a very topical character. He's talking about guns, he's talking about global warming, how it's not real. He's that guy. And who's a little more conservative doesn't necessarily because Max's family is obviously like the more middle to liberal kind of family.
Speaker 1:And that's what's creating some tension between the two of them. It's a little bit of a clash of cultures and also just how they raise each other's kids. But Howard's that typical type, but he doesn't go too far of the edge, I feel like.
Speaker 2:It really is kind of like that sort of not saying that it's a political movie, but it really does play into that because of the opposites of the families.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people will probably say that's a 2015, modern kind of thing to do. But when you watch older movies, writers are putting in this stuff all the time and there's always like a clash between your blue color and white color people in movies like this and so I think that's just part of it. Now I think people that are like, well, that's just a woke agenda, it's like it's not a woke agenda. It's showing that people are clashing, they're coming from different parts of walks of life and I think, they again.
Speaker 1:It's not punch you over, hit you over the head with it, it's just it's the same as the Pittsburgh line. He's just like they're driving through the snow and he's like global warming, my ass. And you're like fair, very fair, you know, like when you have something like that happen. But then you're also like well, that's. The whole point of global warming is that it's erratic and that the temperature is rising and falling at erratic levels. But anyway, that's a different discussion. Cass, who is your Howard, uncle Howard?
Speaker 2:So I love David Kaushner in this because it's his type of role. It is he, I feel like he's known for being in these types like type of roles for everything, like even fall of destination five. He acted pretty much the same exact way, but I wanted to try to go into, like you know, sort of that comedy route. But I wanted someone that can play a little arrogant and play just not even the political, but just at least like almost be like the one upper, as I said he's the good old boy.
Speaker 1:That's what he is. That's really all it is.
Speaker 2:So I kind of to me I think this is kind of like a fun pick. It's just kind of funny to see him like. For this I went John Travolta. So this was before Pulp Fiction, of course.
Speaker 1:He was doing a Pulp Fiction. It's in the era of Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was 94 that Pulp Fiction came out. He wasn't really doing too much like in the early stuff. It was kind of I felt like they weren't notable movies in the like 90s through like 93. But no, I just think he would be fun with it, cause like I just, you know, kind of think of his like roles in the past and it would just feel like he's one up being his. But I can't say brother. I don't know why I feel like Howard and Tom are brothers, but it's just cause they almost act like it.
Speaker 1:Kinda.
Speaker 2:But I just feel like he's just trying to be better than like than the family.
Speaker 1:He's trying to throw his manhood around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I just I don't know. I think John Travolta would have fun with it. That's kind of why I picked him.
Speaker 1:Kess, you were doing so well in the 30 seconds or less.
Speaker 1:I know I do not see this Like the only time I've seen John Travolta play a blue collar type of role. He's like a landline kind of worker and it does not work. He's trying an accent. It does not work. So I this is pretty left field for me. I went with a safer choice, but I kind of wanted to throw in a bit of a memorable name, so I threw in Edo Neal. At this point he's doing Mary with children, but he's making appearances in Wayne's World and Wayne's World 2 and topping off the early 90s with little giants where he's the coach. So we're getting a little bit of a reuniting here with, or maybe pre, little giants. Match up with him and start who I picked for Stevie, but I think he kind of rides that line of being serious to Bunny really well and he, he, he was definitely the epitome of like blue collar dad at that time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I see that I like the pic.
Speaker 1:It's fine. It's fine. It's fine that John Travolta's way left field. I would never believe that he'd have a gun, gun collection.
Speaker 2:Why does it have to be dad Like? This is the 90s, is he still going to have, like, a gun collection?
Speaker 1:or hunting reindeer. He talks about hunt. He wants some game out while he's, while he's out and about. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:I feel like Chevy Chase would have also been a fun choice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Christmas vacation is right there, so he basically be throwing him into the crazy uncle role that he already had. He's a better as a straight man, slowly losing his mind. In my opinion, listen, it's, it's radio. You need to speak your mind, it's fine, it's fine Nick. There we go. That's better. That's what I wanted. Moving on.
Speaker 1:We've got Omie. Next Krista Stadler. Again, she's the. She's the grandma. She's comes from Germany, Obviously she knows she's. She's the one that's giving us the background for all of the lore of Krampus she's giving. She's kind of giving us the warning, like how you shouldn't do this. Make sure you write the letter. You know most people. The only thing it's a lot of German movies that she's from, so I'm not sure how they found her. We'll have to look up some trivia about that later. But I think she does an excellent job.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Being heartwarming, but yeah, there are creepy elements to the character herself. Who do you have as Omie?
Speaker 2:So I at first was like, who can I pick as older? And I went Betty White at first but I was like, no, I don't know if she could pull off that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I went with an actress named Lois Smith. She's in a lot of dramas, One that is known as fried green tomatoes. That came out in 91. So she would have been in her 60s and I think she would do like for her to be in a drama. I think, like in drama movies, I think she could play the role very, very well of like being the sweet grandmother being there for Max, but then also like telling this like brutal story that you know she went through. So, even if it doesn't have the German aspect to it, you still get like a sort of vibe of how, like what life she lived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I get what you're saying. I can see that. I can see that there's no trivia on Krista Stadler.
Speaker 2:I thought so.
Speaker 1:I'm disappointed. I was like maybe they found her or something, but anyway that's a little disappointing. My pick I went with. She may not be known to modern audiences very well Sally Ann House. People will know her from Chitty, chitty Bang Bang. She was truly scrumptious back. She would start across Dick Van Dyke in that beloved classic family movie. I thought it'd be fun to throw her back into audiences here and I think she'll do a great job. I think she, watching some clips and stuff, some stuff she did in the 90s. She definitely has a little bit of a warm presence but she's able to kind of deliver some serious dramatic stuff as well. Yeah, I think she's a good fit here.
Speaker 2:I agree, I think that's fun. I have not seen Chitty, chitty, bang Bang in a long time.
Speaker 1:A long. I think I may have watched it once in the last 10 years, but it's.
Speaker 2:I watched it in school and that was like middle school.
Speaker 1:Everybody always talks about the creepy candy guy. It's also one of those weird like borderline. It's not a Christmas movie, but because it's a family movie and it's classic like old school and it involves toys, it gets thrown into like marathons and stuff around this time of year.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so moving on, let's get the next one up, which is Tom Engel. I'm surprised you didn't put him up higher, but it's fine. Your Adam Scott love Put it aside, cast for a moment.
Speaker 1:And I want you to find I know it's impossible, but find someone to replace Adam Scott in this role. He's the dad. He's he's much more the laid back, not not so much an alpha male compared to like Howard's character, but he's more thoughtful and he wants to, you know, do right by his kids and his family. But he's, he's the busy work dad too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Who you got.
Speaker 2:It's Adam Scott.
Speaker 1:And it's Adam.
Speaker 2:Scott All right, I'm done. Um, yeah, I think that's what I like, and I think that's what I liked about Adam Scott with this role was that he does play like the laid back, not not that he doesn't discipline his kids, but I think it's just like he is kind of more like I'm not trying to sit down and talk about it, sort of my way or the highway, yeah. Cause, like, even like, when he like goes and talks to like Max, like in the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2:like it's just a very understanding, Like it's not like he's yelling at him.
Speaker 1:It's just very respectful.
Speaker 2:It's pretty much what parents should always do, really, you know, I think it's you know, it's print.
Speaker 1:The parenting styles are kind of compared contrast on this movie and and yeah, everybody has their own way of doing it, but yeah, their their way is obviously much more like let's sit down and talk about it, like, why did we do this? I get that it's rough. I know that the families come, but yeah, anyway, who's your pick?
Speaker 2:I went. Which might? This one might also be kind of a left field, but I want to see him in like more of this, like calmer type of role that I went Patrick Swayze who did, who is a well known actor but he was doing ghost at that time in the nineties.
Speaker 1:But I just think he would be fun because he has played like I don't want to say a parental role but like, if you think of, like the outsiders back in the 80s he's always kind of the older brother, older person in the relationship, like in dirty dancing Rarely is he the guy that's the new kid on the block or that's experiencing all of this through someone else's meant. He's always a mentor figure of sorts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see that he's never really played a dad before and I think that would be fun, like I think he would do really well, and he does have the outsiders background for, you know, being the older brother and I don't know, I just think that would kind of I being more the laid-back dad, more than like the I'm gonna yell at you for well he's.
Speaker 1:He's a sex symbol and he's an action kind of hero through the 80s and 90s. Obviously, ghost is not that, but he was a. He's a heartthrob, so it's gonna be. It's gonna be different. That, adam Scott, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I mean it's gonna be different, I get your crush on nerdy Adam Scott, but I'd like to say that One of our friends also likes Adam Scott. I correct, correct.
Speaker 1:But I didn't stray too far from from where you were going, though. Like I picked a lesser kind of guy that's known for action movies, michael Bean. You know him from Terminator. He's cow Reese in. He's in. He's Johnny Ringo in Tombstone. Nice yeah he's having a no K, a little run here in the 90s, but really tombstones. The most noteworthy thing he's doing movies like Navy SEALs, time bomb, k2 and deep red.
Speaker 1:But, I think he he's not an Arnold Schwarzenegger in action movie. He was always like, even as cow Reese, he's the every man that's trying to come up back and save the universe. So I think he Can have. He's a there's an everyman to his action hero. That helps works. Being a dad in this scenario. It's thrown into the extreme situation because at the end he is. He's getting everybody to the car, he's trying to, he's going out and blaze the glory with the guns. So there is some requirements to have some action there going on.
Speaker 2:I will admit I think that scene actually makes me tear up a little bit because it is like a very gosh. No, it's not because it's Adam Scott, but that scene is very emotional because it is a weird moment where it's like Max and his parents almost having like they're bond again. Yeah and you see it with Tom and Sarah that they're like, they're almost showing their love again and he just kind of like admits like that he because I don't even know what he says do her.
Speaker 1:Hmm, no, it's definitely. It's a tough moment because, yeah, the family's reuniting but it's. But if you think of it from a realistic standpoint, it's like kids are being killed in this movie off-screen, obviously, but like trying to deal with that. As a parent, you know like that's hard to process as well as losing. You know your potential, your own kids and wife and child and stuff too, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's get done with these top two. Running short on time here, but coming up for number two, sarah Engel, play by Tony Colette, again hereditary, for those of you that probably are wondering who she is. But who do you have for Sarah, okay?
Speaker 2:I went, jessica Lang.
Speaker 1:Jessica Lang, american Horror.
Speaker 2:Story fame.
Speaker 1:She was in.
Speaker 2:K-Fear in 91.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as well as a reboot of King Kong back in the day.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I can see that for sure. Yeah, she'd be a good, she's a good fill in for Tony Colette easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because she's Tony's kid portrayal. Sarah's is very much the strong-willed mom. She maybe says things she should say in front of the kids because, like when the daughter comes up, it's like when you said that they shouldn't breathe. She's like I didn't say that, I said they should have to take a test before they breathe. So it's where that humor cup. It's humor and character building is really good in the scripts and interactions in these movies, but you get the tone of that. She's the mom that's just trying to make Christmas work. She's made the dinner. She's getting yelled at by the aunt and she's trying to keep it together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and eventually it just falls apart.
Speaker 1:I picked Andy McDowell. She's really big in the early 90s. We just talked about her and say almost fire on our last mini-sode. But she's doing groundhog day in 93 or weddings in a funeral in 94, hudson Hawke in 91 and those are the main movies that she's in at this time.
Speaker 2:But she's definitely she's got some mom energy about we just we talked about good mom energy, and I think we just talked about her and ready or not as well. That's true, that's mom energy she was a mom she's got she.
Speaker 1:She could nail that mom energy. But she also can play like romantic lead and stuff as well, as we saw in things like round hog day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like it. That's good, for sure.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think I think both are solid picks. I think you can't go wrong either way with that. Well, that was easy. Let's round this up. So for our final pick, we got max. We here on quantum recast are not big fans of casting children, just because it's so hard to do with the rules that we put in place. I am going to be putting in a petition with four. Yet into the year we still have home alone coming up and that's gonna be interesting in and of itself. But For max, you know he's, he's the, he's our every man in this world, he's he. We're watching the movie really through his eyes. We get moments with the other family members, but it's really about him losing faith and Christmas, in the holiday, in the spirit of the season, him being done with the family For lack of better term, family bullshit, yep, and he just does he. Finally, you know, he basically does the McCulloch-Holken Kevin Malone thing. I just wish my family would disappear.
Speaker 2:Yeah and Krampus is like bet, so or yeah, cuz he goes I hate Christmas, I made all of you runs upstairs, rips his, his letter to Santa and throws it out the window and the little pieces just get sucked up into the sky right Right so yeah, you got for max so for fun, I did, when I'm put McCulloch-Holken, just to be funny, to have him in home alone. And then a word that's what I did, it, I did it.
Speaker 1:That's good. That's good I went. That would have been. I mean, most people would say that's the pick. You put McCulley there. But who did you pick?
Speaker 2:I went Alex Vincent of the Child's Place.
Speaker 1:Alex Vincent.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming he is again a child.
Speaker 2:He's a child, but he's a child in the first child's play, yep, he was literally, I believe, like Eight through ten or ten through twelve at least. So it's still the good age for what? The actor that, max?
Speaker 1:Back in play. Does max.
Speaker 2:But I think Alex Vincent would do like a really, really good job because in In child's play he was a little more innocent but of course, like with having Chucky, like Chucky pretty much like traumatize him. So I also just like the idea with this movie is like this one is Christmas-based, so it is gonna be a little bit more like okay, now his faith is lost. You're gonna see this little bit of edge to him where he's like angry.
Speaker 2:So, it's like I think it would be a fun role for him because he's not in too much. He's still like doing the like child's plays right now. Okay um, but yeah, that's who I went with cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mj Anthony.
Speaker 1:He's known for Chef the, and then bad moms and he has a voice role in the jungle book movie the remake that came out. I went I gender bent, pass Okay and I'm picking Anna Chlumpski. She is from my girl, uncle Buck, my girl too, obviously, and then she was in trading mom in 94. But she's, she was. A lot of people will know her from my girl and probably Uncle Buck. But I think you know you're going against McCulloch Oaken in my girl and she holds her own easily. So I think and she has a very relatable. She could easily have been the Stevie roll but I liked her as the lead role here.
Speaker 1:I was looking at her day, yeah, but I think she can just nail that role really well. It's not a role that requires a specific gender by any means.
Speaker 2:Like no, no, it's just about a kid that loses their faith in Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah family, basically yeah, which is what the spirit of the season is about.
Speaker 2:So Merry Christmas you're gonna die.
Speaker 1:You're gonna die. No, so that's it. I mean, that's pretty much the cast list that we've created. I think that we have a pretty solid list here. Cast went, went, a little left field here and there, but you know, I'll leave that to the audience members to make their final verdict on. You know, comment on our post when it comes out. Let us know what you thought about our cast list, which one you may have liked better, worse, who you might have put Into this cast list as well.
Speaker 1:Don't judge me but you know, don't judge cash too hard.
Speaker 2:You know, I had one left field choice. It's fine.
Speaker 1:Maybe one or two, but anyhow All right. Well, that's, that's Krampus in the early 90s for us here on the quantum dream cast minisode. Be sure to subscribe, hit the like button, share this with your friends and neighbors maybe your family during Christmas when you're tired of them, or just go listen to it by yourself, who knows? There's many possibilities with this. But be sure to Tune in soon, for after this will have home alone in the year 2000, and then we'll have a little, a little special episode coming out after that. That you'll find out if you listen to the home alone episode. But other than that, I think that's pretty good. I think that's it. Be sure, like I said, follow us on social medias. At quantum recast we're on everything, pretty much everything. If there's something, we'll probably jump on it at some point.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cass, thanks for jumping on to talk about Krampus with us. It's a so it's an underrated Christmas classic, I would say, oh, but we hope that you enjoyed as well, and you enjoyed the episode, and be sure to check us out next time. Yeah, say goodbye Cass.
Speaker 2:Goodbye Cass I.