What if 'Hook' was recast in 1984?
Rewind your clocks and get ready to sprinkle some pixie dust as we reimagine the classic film "Hook" with a twist—it's 1984! Joined by the our friend from across the pon, Ash Hurry, complete with his British perspective and charm, we embark on a nostalgic journey through Neverland, re-casting our favorite characters with the era's brightest stars.
As we navigate through the cinematic landscape of 1984, we ponder the staying power of films that continue to resonate with us. Why do certain stories, like those of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys, capture our hearts time and time again? We investigate the emotional depth and critical reception of family-oriented movies, challenging the notion that whimsy can't walk hand in hand with quality. The episode pays homage to the magic woven by the original "Hook" while exploring how the top films and Oscar winners of 1984 could have influenced its early debut.
From the enigmatic Captain Hook to the effervescent Tinkerbell, we find out who could play these iconic characters in the mid 80s! Hit play to see what we ended up with!
TIMECODES:
(00:01:01) Intro
(00:04:17) About the Movie
(00:08:38) Useless Critic Stats
(00:17:04) 1984: Box Office & Oscars
(00:20:59) Notable Films
(00:26:21) What Changes About the Film?
(00:31:10) Casting Rules
(00:35:01) 30 Seconds or Less Casting
Main Cast
(00:41:55) Smee
(00:49:30) Rufio
(00:59:16) Tinkerbell
(01:07:25) Jack
(01:14:18) Hook
(01:24:24) Peter Pan/Banning
(01:39:18) Final Cast
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Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
What if 'Hook' was recast in 1984?
Rewind your clocks and get ready to sprinkle some pixie dust as we reimagine the classic film "Hook" with a twist—it's 1984! Joined by the our friend from across the pon, Ash Hurry, complete with his British perspective and charm, we embark on a nostalgic journey through Neverland, re-casting our favorite characters with the era's brightest stars.
As we navigate through the cinematic landscape of 1984, we ponder the staying power of films that continue to resonate with us. Why do certain stories, like those of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys, capture our hearts time and time again? We investigate the emotional depth and critical reception of family-oriented movies, challenging the notion that whimsy can't walk hand in hand with quality. The episode pays homage to the magic woven by the original "Hook" while exploring how the top films and Oscar winners of 1984 could have influenced its early debut.
From the enigmatic Captain Hook to the effervescent Tinkerbell, we find out who could play these iconic characters in the mid 80s! Hit play to see what we ended up with!
TIMECODES:
(00:01:01) Intro
(00:04:17) About the Movie
(00:08:38) Useless Critic Stats
(00:17:04) 1984: Box Office & Oscars
(00:20:59) Notable Films
(00:26:21) What Changes About the Film?
(00:31:10) Casting Rules
(00:35:01) 30 Seconds or Less Casting
Main Cast
(00:41:55) Smee
(00:49:30) Rufio
(00:59:16) Tinkerbell
(01:07:25) Jack
(01:14:18) Hook
(01:24:24) Peter Pan/Banning
(01:39:18) Final Cast
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
1991.
Speaker 2:Hasta la vista baby, I ate his liver with some father beef. Be outcast, be outcast If I have to fight to grow our case back. My god, the children. What? What Fuck it? The stories are true. His come back to seek his revenge. You must make yourself remember. I believe in you, peter Pan. Congratulations the End.
Speaker 5:Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast. It's our first episode of 2024. And we are coming in hot.
Speaker 1:So hot right now.
Speaker 5:Coming in big. We decided to make a splash this year, but before we do that, hey, we're Quantum Recast, we're on all the social media platforms, all of them At Quantum Recast. We're even on TikTok.
Speaker 3:So just you know, go find them.
Speaker 5:Nick works really hard.
Speaker 3:In the social media world.
Speaker 5:So if you hate me and you like, nick, it would be a real slight to me to go and engage with our social media.
Speaker 2:Because I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5:I do the celebrity face swaps and that's about it. Everything else is pure grow. All Joining us today is Ash from across the pond.
Speaker 3:Hello guys, hello, happy new year.
Speaker 5:Happy new year. Give some of that sweet sultry accent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm putting it on. It's over exaggerated.
Speaker 1:It's a guy who has a voice, just like ours. He's actually from New Jersey or something. I know that's a spoiler.
Speaker 5:But if you clicked on this episode, you see that we're taking 1991's Hook A movie that is near and dear to Nick Grohl's heart and we're taking it back to 1984. I feel like we've really waited on Hook, because this movie matters to you.
Speaker 1:I think it's a group mattering. Don't just put me in the corner, I know you just really, I think it's just one of your movies. I love it. It's great.
Speaker 5:It's a great movie, but it's definitely one of Nick's movies, I guess. So.
Speaker 1:It would be like in your top 10, surely? I don't know.
Speaker 5:I can't make that much out of it. I'm not going to break it, I'm going to spot that, but I was six when it came out, so it was definitely right there, man, I had just turned six.
Speaker 5:Wow, that's magical. I'm going to say that's what we do here on Quantum Recast. We take a movie and we uproot it out of its original release year and we take it forwards or backwards or sideways or diagonal ways, whatever, and we drop it in a new release year. That's right, because we want to see what that movie would look like if it had come out in 1984 in this case, especially what the cast would look like.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 5:So we're just pretty much taking the movie as is and we're going to throw a 1984 cast at 1991's Hook. But before we do that we really got to dive into the movie and we have to also dive into the year of 1984. Because we need to know what 1984 is like.
Speaker 1:We got to know what we're dealing with, because I wasn't born in 1984.
Speaker 5:I was in my mom, I think. Nope, nope, I wouldn't have even been in my mom. What choice of life is that, corey? I wouldn't have even been in a twinkle in my dad's eye Because I was born late in 85. I have nothing to do with 1984. That's kind of sad. I never thought about that. I have nothing to do with this year. I hate it. All right, the math says my parents did it in March or April of 85.
Speaker 1:It's good information to know, yeah.
Speaker 3:Come on, everyone's done the math, yeah we all have.
Speaker 5:I don't want to do it again. Everyone's done it.
Speaker 1:You were a 4th of July guy. My parents were spring people. So, let's talk about Hook.
Speaker 5:They did a series which was a series of three-dimensional and a series of four-dimensional, which is just one of many versions of Peter Pan, though this is probably the most creative version of Peter Pan because it doesn't just throw Jay and Barry's story and just recreate it. They kind of make their own narrative out of it. Yeah, it's a continuation. So if you've released December 11th 1991, directed rebellious crew of young actors that he later said only somewhat kiddingly that the experience made him wonder if he ever wanted to have any more kids.
Speaker 1:On screen or just in general. It sounds like.
Speaker 5:He also felt guilty that he wasn't able to find an economical method of filming the many complex human fight sequences in this movie. However, after Robin Williams death, spielberg says he is now thankful he made this movie, as that was how he met Williams and became good friends with him.
Speaker 1:I mean a like I think that the flight sequences of the movie are handled pretty well, given, like, the context and time and place that they're at. But yeah, like I think that's also like a big reason people hold on to this movie so much, especially people close to our age is that it's like peak Robin Williams, in terms of like family friendly Robin Williams, I would say.
Speaker 5:So I like it's even Spalber a kettle hard time, but he's glad he made it because you know Q Cinderella's, you don't know what you got till, it's gone so.
Speaker 3:It is now gosh.
Speaker 5:But based on the 1904 play, a 1911 book by J M Berry. If you've never seen the movie Finding Neverland, it's incredible watch it. You will cry it he will cry, but it's essentially about J M Berry meeting the kids that inspired Peter Pan. Written by James v Hart, I guess mainly the script writer for this credits inspiration on his take on the continuing Peter Pan story to his young son, jake, who one day asked him what would have happened if Peter Pan grew up. That's all good stories. Someone just says, what if?
Speaker 1:right, yeah, what if this happened? You're like write that down this guy's son.
Speaker 5:It would appear better grown up and this guy's like brilliant.
Speaker 1:Melee starts typing away.
Speaker 5:It's kind of one of that kid when she grew up it's like hey, so, dad, I never saw any residuals. That was my idea also Nick Castle, and Kerry Fisher was a script doctor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she came in to fix a lot of the tinkerbell dialogue which is maybe why tinkerbell so sassy yeah and the castle, I guess as a director of last starfighter and but he's okay wrote escape from New York.
Speaker 5:He wrote all the lost with yeah. Gang of scary looking individuals trying to survive, All right um. This movie originally had the shooting schedule of 76 days and a budget of 48 million. They only spent 48 million. I guess it's 1991 money yeah but production took longer. Expected shooting schedule Expended 116 days and the budget bloated to 80 million. Steven Spocker blames himself for this, saying I began to work at a slower pace than I usually do. He cared it's the kid care, but it made $300 million. So yeah, I mean this is going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like the highest grossing pirate theme film until the Pirates of the Caribbean movies so like to say that it was a failure Anything. I don't feel like you can honestly say that if it's making that much more money, but to them it wasn't. It's not the usual Spielberg stuff, so yeah. I guess with his rep, is why it wasn't as big. I guess, yeah, I mean stress part comes after this yes, so it's not.
Speaker 5:So you have to wonder what the VHS dollar is, though.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sure it's crazy it had to be Massive.
Speaker 5:This is like the height of the HS.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure this is that's exactly how I watched it, like we rented it or something, or my parents bought it and then we just played that thing over and over and over again.
Speaker 3:Was this, was this before pretty woman? Because was Judea Robots a name when this came out?
Speaker 1:I believe pretty woman is right around this yeah, she's a name, for sure.
Speaker 5:It's the year before, so she's.
Speaker 1:Definitely casting off like this is the new it girl like we definitely bring her in. Hmm, hmm, okay.
Speaker 5:Okay ended up making a profit of 50 million for the studio, yet it was still declared a financial disappointment. That is whatever this movie has legs, and when that VHS money came in, they were probably like it's crazy I just looked this up this had a bigger budget than Jurassic Park, Really, yeah 63 million.
Speaker 3:I was parking this balloon to 80. So yeah, we're doing, wow.
Speaker 5:All right. Well, that means we need to talk about useless critic stats, always like here I am. Db score 6.8 out of 10. Not bad, not bad rotten tomatoes. Wow, critics hated this. I did 29%. That's like almost rotten by our standards right, but a 70% or 76% audience score so people enjoyed this movie if you weren't trying to watch the fantasy movie with analytic eyes, metacritic 52, wait, this is 52 and 71 the audience the critic scores 52.
Speaker 1:The audience score was 71.
Speaker 5:I didn't even know. Medicritic had an audience score. Well, I remember last time you you were.
Speaker 1:It was because the critic score is a 100%er and then they, for some reason, they make the audience one at 10, 10 points. So it's technically 7.1.
Speaker 5:That's stupid. That's a critic is dumb, all right. Well, it's a 52 out of 100, with critics. I just rounded the decimal over you know not fun Letterbox 3.4 out of 5. And Ebert, our boy, roger Ebert. Oh god, two stars out of four. Terrible some quotes we've pulled from a old Ebert. Here is the ads for Steven Spielberg hook. Ask the question what if Peter Pan grew up? But the answer, alas, is that then he would probably start a Lou Groom would be a serious retread of a once magical idea.
Speaker 1:Somebody had their word of the day.
Speaker 5:Because he just confused Peter Pan with Robin Williams is two different people. What an idiot very conflicting here. We get the uncanny suspicion that hook was written and directed according to the famous recipe of the country preacher, who told the folks that it. He told the folks what he was going to tell them, told them, and then told them what he had. Told them what.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 5:Ebert was sipping the sauce something. Yeah, he was. If you can only give hook two out of four stars, you're having an off day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like Ebert's constantly has off days.
Speaker 5:We've just decided that he's either having a great day or a bad day for a guy that takes it out on his Reverse guy that gets paid to just go watch movies and all day, all week and then write about them.
Speaker 1:He has a lot of bad days.
Speaker 5:He really does. I'm pretty sure that's what Ten Tarantino's tenth movies about, because it's about a movie critic. It's just gonna be about Ebert having horrible day. It's gonna be the one process bad or good days and that influences movies.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5:Disappointed in the stats.
Speaker 1:Well, this is the weird thing about hook is that it came out 91, so for all of us it was a very like big part of our child. It seems like that there's a window of time and if you grew up in this window of time and watched it, it's one of your favorite movies. You may, even if you don't look at it from a critical standpoint or like you might sit there, go like this isn't my favorite movie, you still love it, yeah, and everybody on either side of that bubble just kind of just throws a hand something and goes like I don't get it, it's whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of agree with you, like we're all similar ages and I think the center mentality sort of trumps the analytical perspective of a movie these days, because those that was a range of Different reviews and scores that were ranging from 20% to 70. So there's there's a conflicting thing about this film. They don't know what it is. I think we kind of do because we've allowed time to do it sting and we look at this. You know, you know Robin Williams, death is definitely Concreted. This film in history is one of the, you know, one of his great films and, I think, a great film in terms of, like historical Spielberg moments. But it's very hard to differentiate between sense mentality and Film analytic. I don't know. So it this film?
Speaker 3:for a very great area for me, mm-hmm.
Speaker 5:I don't know. I feel like I can take, because I'm not even a fan of nostalgia.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't like it so.
Speaker 5:I try to base nothing off nostalgia. I try to like understand that I'm prone to it. Yeah there's things that I can love. Yeah but I feel like I've gotten to a point in life where I can say something's bad right and nostalgic, like nostalgic, but I like it because it was just there and good. Into me this is like no different than labyrinth, it's like I don't know. It's just a good movie, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's well done. It's the idea that, like kids movies can't be like seen as like critical darlings or like be seen as well-made movies. But I feel like that's just a very like weird stance to take. Like, if you walk into a kids, it's the same people that are like I'm gonna watch this kids movie and it's like, yeah, because it's animated or it's geared towards like families, that it's not gonna be a quality and it's like there's been so many examples, exactly movies that have proven that wrong time and time again and like, if you think about it, like a lot of kids movies do more 90 minutes Than a full, like three-hour movie can judge man yeah granted, this is a much longer family film and that's usually one of the complaints about it is like, oh, it's just so long, and I'm like, but there's so much like attention to detail, like like this time that's my always the thing when I watch this movie.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to be like why, where's the critical errors here? Like what, what do people look for in this problem? And maybe that's. I try to take off the nostalgia glasses, but I just constantly say they're going like there's just as much attention to detail. And this is any other Spielberg movie. Yeah, hammerwork is great. That's the set design. I guess they complain that it's unrealistic, but it's very and it's more like a theme park. But, that's kind of what works about you expect yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, I was. I'm a little taken back by the scores.
Speaker 2:I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 5:I can't tell if this is just a even like letterbox. I think the one that hit me the most was like 3.4 out of 5 because it's a relatively new Service. Yeah, it's, definitely higher, but I still expect him to like at least hit a solid 4. Yeah you know what that's? Just because it's a bunch of millennials watching tick-tock while they're also watching a movie. I'm you know yeah, I guess I should say, jinzy think it's technically a millennium he took you six months, figure out tick-tock so.
Speaker 1:He got there in the end. Extensive research.
Speaker 5:So all right, nick, why did you pick this movie? Because, I mean, I'm directing, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:But I feel like we chose this movie together.
Speaker 1:Collectively, yeah, but I mean it's like you said. It's been discussed amongst the podcast for multiple years now as a potential episode. But I think we were either afraid to do it just because it was near and dear to many people's hearts. But we also try to just think like, where does it fit? Where should we take it? But the reason why I mean I think we've kind of touched on it already a little bit, but it's just like it was a thing from our childhood that we loved a lot growing up and maybe I'm more on that side of it or it's a bigger deal to me than both of you I don't know where you guys. It seems like you both really enjoy it.
Speaker 5:I watched this movie ad nauseam as a child. It was just always there, yeah.
Speaker 3:Peak time. Yeah, I grew up around what 89? I watched this probably when I was five or six. A few years later with, like Jurassic Park and, yeah, this hit me really hard. It's watching it again. I mean, it's a whole different experience. But yeah, the first time I watched it it was one of the best movies I've ever watched. Honestly, it was just a good ride. It was on par with, you know, like the Goonies and the ET, and it still did what it did in the 80s with Spielberg's film.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it was. It was in the rotation with all the other VHS's in my home of like recorded Star Wars movies Back to the Futures and Indiana Jones and stuff like that, so it fit amongst all of that seamlessly to me. And rewatching it now it kind of has the same effect on me that watching like it's a wonderful life does, in the sense that every time you watch it you kind of get a different perspective. And I think that's because, like as a kid, you're watching and you're like, oh, this is a good story and this is fun. But then as you get older you start to relate to you might relate to Jackmore, you might relate to Rufio more, and then you can start to relate to Peter himself and Hook as well.
Speaker 5:Like you start to kind of.
Speaker 1:It's one of those that just continues to age. Well, I think.
Speaker 5:Oh, for sure.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 5:Well, that's why we picked this movie, because it's near and dear to our heart and we just, we just have to put ourselves to the ring with these movies.
Speaker 1:The answer is Corey, I'm ready to hurt again.
Speaker 3:I'm scared, I'm honestly scared to go up against Nick right now.
Speaker 5:New year, new you. I know how much this film means to you.
Speaker 3:This film means a lot to you, and I love this film too, but, oh my God, I don't know what to say about the castings, though.
Speaker 5:We figured, if just start the year off demolishing something that's near and dear to so many people, it'd be perfect.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, rest of the year is easy.
Speaker 3:I don't think Penty wants to demolish this, by the way.
Speaker 5:But hey, maybe we did good, maybe we're going to give us a really good 1984.
Speaker 1:A solid year.
Speaker 3:I hope so, I really do.
Speaker 5:And so and I think that here we chose 1984 is it's the reason we take any sort of fantasy movie to this year. It's the peak time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:There's just it's legend and labyrinth and all these other fantasy movies that are, you know, schwarzenegger's making all the Conan movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:You know it's, it's, this is where it fits. This is where it fits, which means we need to talk about 1984. We need to get an idea of what's going on in the world of Hollywood in 1984. We're one year away from the greatest year in cinema in 1985, but this is a good lead up here.
Speaker 1:It's a nice prequel, it is.
Speaker 5:It is. So we got to ask ourselves what was everyone watching? What was the top 10 at the worldwide box office for 1984 releases Movies released in 1984. We're coming in at number 10 with Splash. That's the Tom Hanks movie, yeah, yeah the.
Speaker 3:Tom Hanks movie yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, all right. 9, star Trek 3. Search for Spock, number 8, romancing the Stone. 7, footloose Nice. 6, Police Academy 1. Oh 5, the Karate Kid. I'm just going to disagree with the top four, okay, okay. Cause it's been Karate Kid 4, gremlins 3, indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom. There you go. Ash 2, Ghostbusters and number 1, we're getting a sequel this year Beverly Hills Cop Amazing.
Speaker 1:We were at the peak of Eddie.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I really like that back half way more than the front half.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, there's a few interesting films in there, but wow, that's a very iconic year, like if we skipped this yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2:Yeah Cool there, yeah Cool there.
Speaker 5:All right, yeah, kevin Bacon dancing. Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 3:Ralf from.
Speaker 5:Machio doing Karate. Yeah, I think that's one of the worst episodes we ever did, in my opinion, because I hate that movie.
Speaker 3:Do you hate that film? It's a weird one for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like Gremlins 2.
Speaker 5:I don't like Gremlins, but that's for a defense of the sequel episode one day. Yeah, yeah, all right. The Oscars, which means what we're all the cinephiles really into. What are all the snobby movie people? It's just loving the Hobbes. Best supporting actress for 1984. Peggy Ashcroft a passage to India. Oh, I've never heard of her or it Supporting actor. I just like completely discredit us every time we get to the Oscars, people can just why am I listening to these guys Supporting actor Hanging Esnior for the killing fields? Never seen it.
Speaker 3:I've heard of that movie, actress.
Speaker 5:Sally Field oh gosh, Sally Field's a babe. Places in the heart have seen this.
Speaker 3:I actually have seen this. See, we're credible. Yeah, and she did great.
Speaker 5:Actor F Marie Abraham for Amadeus. Never seen it. This is the reference joke through Last Action Hero.
Speaker 1:You've never seen Amadeus, never seen it.
Speaker 5:I just know that every time F Marie Abraham shows up in Last Action Hero, they refer to him as the guy that killed last action hero.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, they do. You need to at some point sit down and watch some Amadeus.
Speaker 5:Okay, is it epic?
Speaker 1:It's very epic. It's just iconic and epic. And yeah, I think it'll. It has its place in pop culture for sure. Oh, again, isn't it? No, no, that's a different guy, I can't remember who.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm a star. I think it was Bill Bex, sorry.
Speaker 1:I think it was someone that did that when Amadeus was directed by Milo's foreman, or Milo's foreman.
Speaker 5:No idea. The best picture nominees for 1984 movies that came out in 1984.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, just before we get into that, I will say the Milo's foreman. He directed one flu of the Cuckoo's Nest, amadeus man on the Moon and People for Slayer of Flick Some great stuff.
Speaker 5:He's got quite a tracker. It's quite a tracker See, like the Daniel Bay Lewis of directors. Maybe just one movie every 20 years.
Speaker 1:It looks like it is this guy.
Speaker 5:All right, all right. Well, so the nominees for pictures. That's picture of 1984 was the killing fields, a passage to India, places in the heart. All referenced so far a soldier story, but the winner Amadeus. There you go. It's like every except for a soldier story. All the nominees got other awards.
Speaker 2:They did.
Speaker 5:Yeah, everyone gets it all. Everybody's happy. It's great. I think we're just seeing like a really diplomatic year at the Oscars. All right, all right. Notable films Guys anybody have a movie that we haven't mentioned yet that you just love or think people should see?
Speaker 1:What do you got, nick? So I did a little deep diving leading up to this episode, and the new one I discovered, or just witnessed, was Bukkuru Banzai in the Ventures in the Eighth Dimension or the Ventures of Bukkuru Banzai in the Eighth.
Speaker 1:Dimension. I can't even properly describe this movie to you other than it's the guy from Robocop and he plays a scientist, slash rock and roll star, who breaks through the Eighth Dimension, communicates with aliens, and now there's like this whole like secret invasion thing where they're trying to take over and he's combating them with Jeff Goldblum and it's got a pretty wild cast in here because it's got him, it's got Christopher Lloyd. The guy who voices Mr Krabs is in it. I mean, just keep.
Speaker 3:I'm reading it. You had me at Jeff Goldblum, but what is an Eighth Dimension? I thought we only had four.
Speaker 1:It's a fun 80 science title, that's what it is I'm in.
Speaker 3:I mean you've sold it to me.
Speaker 5:I should say that Clancy Brown is the gentleman that, thank you. We'll not just leave him on guy that voices Mr Krabs. No, it's a lot of people John Lispy and Chris from Lloyd. It's got a lot of like character actors like Vincent Cheyvellian, dan and Aya. And then there's the Nazi from Indiana Joneses in this movie.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right yeah.
Speaker 5:It's got a little bit of everybody yeah.
Speaker 1:Ash, what do you have on the list?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean nothing as crazy as that, but I'm definitely going to find that movie and put it on the watch list. But no, yeah, there was a film that got remade in the last 10 years called Red Dawn. I don't know if you guys have seen it. It's a John Milley's film, Basically. Yeah, it's got Patrick Swayze and it's just a bunch of kids in America, suburban America, and basically it's like the dawn of World War III. Why it's called Red Dawn and they basically get together and basically fight the enemy who you know, I think is actually unknown. It's quite a good movie in terms of when it was released, at the right time, and then they remade it with I don't know what year they remade it I want to say 2014 or something and I had Josh Peck, Chris Hemsworth and it wasn't as good, unfortunately.
Speaker 3:No, I love the idea of much better.
Speaker 5:No, red Dawn is like a really well made movie. Yeah, opening scenes like one of the most disturbing things.
Speaker 1:It's dark it is.
Speaker 5:It's a wild.
Speaker 1:I went through watching it and I was just like nobody's having a good time with this, but also the Russians are so inept that they can't take out these kids hiding in the mountains.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll see the Russians.
Speaker 5:Is it Russian? I feel like they like.
Speaker 1:It's a combo Russian Cuba right, it's like either Mexico or Cuba or something.
Speaker 5:I don't think they ever say anything. It's the Russian.
Speaker 3:It's the 80s, we can assume. Yeah, they were East in Europe.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's the 80s. That's who we were afraid of.
Speaker 1:A quick fun fact for you, Ash, before we get Corey thick. But I have been to the town that they filmed a lot of the scenes of, like the internment camp. Are you joking me? Las Vegas, New Mexico, not actual Vegas, but they filmed movies like no Country for a Woman there. They used the drive-in movie theater that I went to watch a couple movies at for the internment camp of that movie.
Speaker 3:It's insane, very jealous man. What about?
Speaker 5:you, Corey. It's 1984. I've seen everything except for Almedas. I mean. It's purple rain, it's revenge with the nerds, it's Terminator, it's one of the best Friday of the 13th. It's everything. Street's a fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good to hear. Oh my gosh this is Spinal Tap.
Speaker 5:It's a stupidly good movie. But 16 Candles how did that not make the top 10? What were people doing in 1984?
Speaker 1:They're watching all of these good movies, corey, yeah, they had to spread it out.
Speaker 5:Either way, I'm just going to recommend a movie Just for anyone that just into like some, maybe some weird stuff.
Speaker 1:Okay, called Run Away, run Away.
Speaker 5:Run Away, 1984's Run Away. It's a Tom Selleck movie. Okay, I've watched this is because it's the first movie that basest for kiss Gene Simmons was in. And he plays the villain. Oh my gosh. And it's like a future movie and like there's robots everywhere and Tom Selleck's just like this cop that works on the robots, like he's like almost just a robot maintenance guy on the force, but then Gene Simmons is taking the robots and like programming to kill. This movie isn't real, it's super real. This is.
Speaker 3:Michael Crichton Corey. I didn't know this.
Speaker 1:What is it? Michael Crichton? Oh my God, he's the writer. Director, wow Come on.
Speaker 5:Exactly so it's. You can't do that right.
Speaker 3:You've blown that just right. This is crazy. Oh my God, I'm having like a revelation here.
Speaker 5:Is this a novel or I don't think. I think he wrote it just for the screen, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 5:It's the 80s, everyone did, stephen King did, everyone did it. They're like you know what I write books. How hard can it be to direct a movie?
Speaker 1:As you can rent it on Amazon Prime. Just on my eyes.
Speaker 3:I will be doing that as soon as we get off this call. Yep, okay.
Speaker 5:I just as a kid, I thought Kiss was the greatest thing ever. So I watched all of Gene Simmons' movies and this is wildly the best one. There's one where he plays at Transvestite, the John Stamos movie.
Speaker 3:That's really good.
Speaker 5:Interesting. I forget what it's called, but it's also awesome. So he's not a great actor, just so you know. All right, so how does the movie change in 1984?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that it doesn't. It's really more about who's in it than what changes outside around it, because I feel like, from in terms of set design, practical effects and the effects that are introduced in this movie, it's going to be relatively the same. I don't feel like they were doing it's not Jurassic Park, where you have a bunch of CGI dinosaurs and stuff like that going on. I feel like this is just fantasy filmmaking at its peak before the CGI takeover. Basically, so I think it translates well to a 1984 Hollywood.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I would have to agree with Nick. I think 1984 actually might complement the 1991 version because it might not rely on the attempt of CGI, which was still good and the special effects were good, but the practical effects that was on the Spielberg 1991 boat could easily be done in 84. I think it might. He's taken it back what seven years? I think it will still probably be the same film. I think Nick's absolutely right. It's just dependent on who's going to be in the film and how that changes. But I think everything else it stays the same for me, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think from the 90s, were all about these dads trying to get in contact with their kids, basically. But I do think it'll also hit in the 80s, because you're talking about yuppie culture and stuff, and so Peter Pan being just all about money and Reaganomics and stuff like that, that also hits really well too. Those are still themes that are covered a lot in the 80s. I feel like yeah, for sure no-transcript.
Speaker 5:Here's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 5:So in the movie they fly Pan Am.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Weirdly, like a, I collect a lot of Pan Am t-shirts for some reason.
Speaker 2:I have a weird amount of them.
Speaker 5:I think I just like that movie where Leo DiCaprio's Catch Me, if you Can, just constantly pranking Tom Hanks all over the country. But Pan Am, they fly on the movie. They went out of business a week before this movie came out. That's wild, like December 4, 1991, but of course they filmed the movie like in 1990. So they're flying Pan Am and the failure of the airline was just due to failing standards of maintenance and safety, which is what you want in there, sure.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you want them to you know there's like that one in Alaska that just had a window fly out of it.
Speaker 3:You know they're in trouble now.
Speaker 5:Yeah, You're like they're probably going to go out of business because people just don't want to be on your plane. Nope, they might die, and they also lost a plane in a terrorist bombing. But it's kind of assumed that if it were not for the latter, chances are that this film might have revitalized some like of oh, for sure yeah. People would have like maybe.
Speaker 1:I don't know a lot of parents that are going to make decisions to fly in an airline because their kid wants to fly in the Pan Am fly, the same one as Peter Pan but I'm sure it helps in some form it might boost a little bit, it might delay the inevitable maybe.
Speaker 5:But yeah, it's just one of those like product placements. That's like ah, we were late yeah.
Speaker 3:Just missed the window.
Speaker 5:So it's like seeing Pepsi clear in an 80s movie. It's like, oh yeah, that was a thing they tried that it didn't work. Notable cameos in the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:This movie is kind of filled with cameos that we should discuss before we hop into the casting. Right, this is a good transition before we cast this bad boy in 1984. Phil Collins plays the inspector who arrives at the Banting Home after Hook kidnaps the children.
Speaker 3:That's Phil Collins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Phil Collins.
Speaker 3:I didn't even call that.
Speaker 1:He's right there in the center of thing and then, yeah, that's another thing you pick up as an adult and go what?
Speaker 5:So this is the only Robin Williams movie I've seen since his death. I have a weird thing about going back to them.
Speaker 2:They just seem like it'd be depressing.
Speaker 5:But I think it's when I saw this and they did an Alamo draft house showing up.
Speaker 3:It was not long after.
Speaker 5:Robin Williams' death and they did like a Lost Boys menu and I think that's when I first went hey, phil Collins, wait a minute, it's on the big screen. So I was like, hey, I could see him. It's a rubber singer for Genesis, so a Jimmy Buffett speaking of the late greats. Just he just passed one of the pirates who attempts to steal Peter's shoes when he first arrives in Neverland. David Crosby, he also man. All these people just died in the Captain.
Speaker 5:Hook intro scene. Shouting along with the hook. I've always recognized David Crosby, Even as a kid. I somehow just knew that's David Crosby. Carrie Fisher, Gosh OK, George Lucas is still alive. We need everybody to keep an eye on George Lucas and Phil Collins.
Speaker 5:The kissing couple floating as Tink takes Peter to Neverland. I just feel like George Lucas somehow can kiss Carrie Fisher. Yeah, steven Spielberg. He leads the pirates in March on the hook ship with Jack's watch on a pillow. And then Glenn Close this is the famous one, but I also didn't know this until kind of later in life. She's cutlass the pirate that gets dropped in the boo box.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the fact that it was because she's you know looks really like a guy, yeah, like make the one questioned it. Yeah, she didn't care.
Speaker 3:He loved it. I love her for that, that's it.
Speaker 5:Yeah that's. It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:All right, that means we need to do this. Ok hook, it's lifted up out of 1991. We've taken it out of our childhoods and we're taking it back to before we're born 1984., Shoo.
Speaker 2:Look at that Slice must flow Fortune and glory. Kid. What are we waiting for, 1984. I'll be back.
Speaker 5:You have arrived, so now we need to give it a 1984 cast. If you will, let's do it. There's rules, nick. Ok, I know you wanted me to skip them. Yeah, ash, definitely doesn't like to play by the rules. But rule number one anyone you cast in 1984 is hooked must be alive in 1984. Not going to bring anyone back from the dead.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 5:Anyone you cast has to be free to do so.
Speaker 5:They cannot be in prison, you know got it, I'm not completely aware of all the actors that went to prison, prison in the 80s, but I'm sure there were some. No problem, number three they have to be active. Yes, acting Now that's going to go into a new rule, so any adult role has to be actively acting, which we define that as having a credit in 1984. Yeah, yes, yes. So rule three B New addition, new addition that we have to do because I think another reason we've not done this movie is the same reason because we've not done Stand by Me in other movies.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 5:Is kid actors are the worst. There's only like a handful of greats and all of cinema.
Speaker 1:Right, and to try and pilfer through a year, just one year, yeah, it's just land on the same ones yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5:So we're now kind of creating a larger window for kid actors.
Speaker 1:It's a it's a flex rule, a guideline, as long as they were acting somewhere in the vicinity of 1984.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah as.
Speaker 5:Long as you can provide a good sample size. Yes, like of something within that realm, like again 1984. You can't cast young Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we know it's not a yes. It started a movie until like five years later, so yeah, he's an adult.
Speaker 5:I mean, it's just like that's, that's a rule still, but, and that we'll just have to go director to director. Yeah. They're not. They want to count what you did or not. But that gives us a little more freedom and leeway with the kid actors.
Speaker 1:And that means we get to cast, hopefully more potentially. We're, hopefully we're looking forward to casting kids movies. Yeah, or that way, right.
Speaker 5:You should well do Stand by Me and then rule number we have done, stand by me. Huh, we've done, stand by me we did not do stand by me, it was like two seasons ago.
Speaker 2:You lie, I know we did it, yeah.
Speaker 3:You actually did it. It was a good.
Speaker 1:Are you sure? Yeah, ash, just heard it. Yeah.
Speaker 5:You've listened to this episode.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure I have. Yeah, I don't think it exists.
Speaker 2:It does. Don't mess with me.
Speaker 5:You have not done, stand by me. All right, whatever, fine, I'll go look it up. Um, because that just sounds like something I would have vetoed immediately. So, all right. Rule number four Anyone you cast has you. They lose all major film credits in 1984. Yes, we're selfish. We're not letting them make more than one movie. Yeah, they're committed to hook. But the shooting is going to go twice as long.
Speaker 5:Right Even intended so Um, so that's kind of where you have to be creative with this. There's a lot. We just established that 1984 is kind of a banger year. Mm, hmm, sure, you can just go with an alien. This.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 5:But there are power ups we give. We give ourselves a little bit of power. I'm the director, so I have two power ups. At any point in the casting I can pull the switcheroo card, which means I can switch any two actors on the board in the respective roles. Got it, I can do that at any time.
Speaker 5:That's a lot of power, but then I have the override as well. But I have to do that in the casting of the character. I can tell you both get out of here. I'm putting my own person in, but I'm still subject to the rules. Got it, but I can only do that one time it has to happen right there, um, and we'll just see how you do.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh.
Speaker 5:Let's do it. All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 3:I'm ready. Let's get this done.
Speaker 5:All right. So, since this is a big cast, we are doing a 30 seconds or less, which is where we take some of the smaller roles. But roles we love, yeah, roles we enjoy, but maybe we don't need to talk a lot about them, but we want to put some 1984 actors.
Speaker 1:Just a quick disclaimer we are not casting all of the Lost Boys, sadly.
Speaker 5:No, goodness, no, I didn't know how many there are. So, even with the new rule, that's too many.
Speaker 1:It's too many. Yeah, it's too many.
Speaker 5:So all right. So our 30 seconds or less will be this we will have. Is it gutless or cutless?
Speaker 3:Sure, I think it's cutless. I think cutless. Oh it's a cutless, Okay it's gotta be cutless, it's a pirate.
Speaker 5:But I guess some pirates are gutless. It might be gutless, so who knows?
Speaker 1:I'll look it up while we're doing it.
Speaker 5:So we're going to do the one cameo which is played by Glen Close which will be fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is gutless. Yes, gutless, all right.
Speaker 5:Toodles played by Arthur Malay, moira Banning played by Carolyn Goodall, thudbutt played by Rush on Hammond, and then Maggie Banning played by Amber Scott, and Granny Wendy played by Maggie Smith. Now listen those top two. It's hard to move. Granny Wendy, the great Maggie Smith to the 30 seconds or less, but in all fairness, she's only in the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 1:Right Beginning and end.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, it's we're not discrediting her. She's like come on, man.
Speaker 1:And Maggie's important too in the story, but she's also again not as high on the hierarchy. There's a lot of characters here.
Speaker 5:I'm just saying people are going to be like how come Jack gets to be in there and Maggie?
Speaker 1:doesn't? Yeah, guys.
Speaker 5:No one chance. Run home, Maggie. Yeah, he gets a song and she's adorable, but this is really about Peter losing his son.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And his daughter is just a byproduct.
Speaker 5:I'm sure he cares about her, but he's really fighting for his kid.
Speaker 3:He's sent down yeah.
Speaker 5:Maggie's not as disappointed in her dad yet, right yeah, jack is literally in danger of moving to Neverland.
Speaker 1:Living with hook, basically yeah.
Speaker 5:So Jack's got a little bit more and it's her boy, charlie Cosmos, true, true. So, um, all right. So this is going to work. I'm just going to speed fire, I'm going to say the character name Nick, you're going to go first, you're going to give me your pick, and then, ash, you will do it and I will just make a really quick decision. Perfect.
Speaker 3:Are you ready?
Speaker 1:Yes, Do it.
Speaker 5:Let's go, gutless.
Speaker 1:Michael Jackson, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:I can't beat that, john Malkovich.
Speaker 5:We're going, michael Jackson, I'm glad Michael Jackson loves to put on makeup and be other people. Anyway, he does.
Speaker 1:In the, in the thing from the 90s he was. He was in like full makeup, that ghost video.
Speaker 5:Yeah, people didn't know it for a long time he like put on a fat suit and everything it was cool. Yeah, yeah. And he was really known for wearing disguises in public. So uh, toodles.
Speaker 3:Mickey Rooney, bert Lancaster.
Speaker 5:Oh, interesting, let's go, bert Lancaster. There's the part of me that can't stand Mickey Rooney, so, um, I'm going to go, bert. I'm going to go, bert. Moira Banning.
Speaker 1:Jessica.
Speaker 3:Lanege, Sally Field oh.
Speaker 5:I can't not pick Sally Field.
Speaker 3:Is this a 30?
Speaker 5:seconds or less and she doesn't lose her Oscar. So we're fine, we're fine, we're fine. I should have preference to 30 seconds or less or not bound to the rules. Sally Field keeps her Oscar and she gets to be Moira Banning. She's a babe.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go with the way she's been cast, all right, all right, all right, but I have Leo O'Brien from the last dragon, oh very nice, a sort of test in rule free be here.
Speaker 3:Ll Cool J. Ll Cool J.
Speaker 1:Leo O'Brien Leo.
Speaker 5:O'Brien. Yes, I think you're both playing dirty. You're just bringing up things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, maggie Banning, maggie Banning, I'm picking Heather O'Rourke of Poltergeist fame. The little girl watching the TV saying they're here.
Speaker 3:Very nice, I like that one. Mine Corey is Jennifer Connolly, a 14 year old Jennifer Connolly.
Speaker 1:She's doing once upon a time in America this year.
Speaker 5:Yeah Wait, when was Poltergeist? I just need.
Speaker 1:Poltergeist before this.
Speaker 5:How many years before.
Speaker 1:Poltergeist came out in the year of our lord 1982. So you've got two years before.
Speaker 5:What's her name?
Speaker 1:Her name is Heather O'Rourke. Is she alive? She's alive at this point.
Speaker 5:She died at this point. Okay, I was just making sure she died Really young Okay.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm going to go Heather O'Rourke, lessa.
Speaker 5:Then finally Granny Wendy.
Speaker 1:Julia Andrews, oh dang.
Speaker 3:Guess what I've gone the same yes.
Speaker 1:Julia Andrews Across the pond. High five Everyone's favorite nanny, yes, perfect.
Speaker 5:I mean we're going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page, I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be on the same page. My favorite nanny yes, perfect, I mean, we had to, we had to. Once I saw it, I was like, no, that's right, that's it. Yeah, yeah Same.
Speaker 5:Yeah, forget Maggie Smith. Sorry, Maggie All right, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool Cool. It's interesting too. While we're on the subject of Maggie Smith, okay, because of this movie, I don't have a lot of reference for Maggie Smith until much later in life with the Harry Potter movies. Which is older yes and it's like, wait, that she's from hook and she was 80 and hook. Yeah, but then you're like, oh, never mind, they just did great makeup on her, all right, so, and I guess I should say Dane Maggie Smith, she's been knighted.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, all right, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 5:And then the prayer she recites is from the play Peter and Wendy okay. And in the original draft of the play. Toodles and Wendy got married when they grew up.
Speaker 1:I saw that. That's interesting, that's right.
Speaker 5:You're wondering who toodles is and what's his relate. Why is he still in this home?
Speaker 1:And it's just because he's, he's, he's too old and Maggie and Lady Wendy doesn't want to put him in a home.
Speaker 5:Yeah that's kind of what it is, you know, because that would really hurt Peter.
Speaker 1:Listen, she never got over Peter Corey, clearly ever as a. That's true, which is really a weird kind of there's a lot of weird concepts, like you kind of figure out like oh dude, the old lady had the hots for Peter still had the hots for him. Yeah, I think yeah and he married her granddaughter. We're saving space for the fact that it probably has happened, but probably has happened.
Speaker 3:This is what happens when you watch elder.
Speaker 5:All right, all right. So now here's our. We have six rolls in our main cast here, which we'll give a little bit more conversation to right, and we're gonna start out as follows, in the order We'll cast them we have Smee, got it we have Rufio. Mm-hmm, we have tinkerbell. Obviously, jack banning Captain James Hook and of course Peter Pan slash Peter banning, so we're gonna start with Smee. Okay, I mean captain.
Speaker 2:That is the point. That is the ultimate revenge. Pains, kids in love with hook. What are you getting off out? It's the ultimate paper. What is it made in pain it's posted when he faces you, face me, these kids standing beside you, ready to fight for the sleaziest sleaze of the seven seas. Captain James, oh, okay.
Speaker 5:Excellent. We played by Bob Hoskins. Yes of Mario.
Speaker 1:Who frame Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 5:He was in Snow White, the husband Long Good Friday. Bob Hoskins has had an incredible career, also recently past just last few years.
Speaker 1:He did yeah, yeah, that was a big one.
Speaker 5:That was rough, but Hoskins would alleviate stress on set by singing various versions of Lionel Richie hit Hello lovely, including the lyrics Hello, is it Smee you're looking for?
Speaker 1:he was ahead of his time oh.
Speaker 5:My gosh reprised his role in Neverland mini series in 2011 and then brought beer for 300 plus extras after a lengthy and complicated scene was cut a man of the people. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it's like everyone does this really hard scene in this field, where it comes in goes. You know what I've done fit the movie. It's like so, and then uh, smee, he, smee is, he is. I don't know if he's the first mate basically, I okay you got to wonder why Captain Hook made an idiot his first mate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but oh my gosh.
Speaker 5:Hoskins is so good in this, um pretty soft, solid at softball.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean, I mean change up. He really does.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's. I mean it's weird that the Pirates play so much softball. But yeah anything the Nick. I'm guessing you're asking this question. You think the Lost Boys and Pirates have an annual baseball game now?
Speaker 1:I mean they built the stadium like it's. They got the uniforms now like they're all friends, probably now.
Speaker 5:It's like a Neverland charity of it. It just ends in violence every year.
Speaker 1:That's how they keep it. That's how they keep fighting. Still, it's like alright, we're at the baseball game, we're gonna win this year.
Speaker 5:I like it. I like it. It's just like a peaceful way to hold disputes. Yeah, you know indigenous tribes did that it's like instead of war and killing each other, let's play stickball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5:It's like that's a way better plan and like I might not die and the chances now, you still could die stealing seconds.
Speaker 1:It's true.
Speaker 5:It's true, the pirate baseball is dangerous. Um, bad form. Oh my gosh, I need to start saying bad form at people.
Speaker 1:I just in the office.
Speaker 5:All right, so first me we're looking for, I mean a really solid character actor, that's just, I mean charisma out the out the, it's true. It's almost seen stealing. You're almost like Bob Hoskins Do too much Because it's so good. All right, I Let Nick go first at the bottom, so, ash, you can go first here, I'm a good man, gosh.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much. That's very kind of you, I think. All right, all right, I'm gonna give this a go, okay. So yeah, like you said, I think Bob Hoskins is Perfect in this role in you've you you've described him perfectly seen stealer? Um, I realized he was 49 when you played him. And I've casted someone who, at the time in 1984, is gonna be 34. So I've taken it down a bit, but I don't think that changes who I've casted and I've wanted a bit of 80s blood in this. So I've casted John Candy.
Speaker 3:John Candy, I wanted 80s blood in an 80s movie. He's a free agent at the moment. Um, I think he's just done national lampoon and stripes and I think splash was his last movie. Didn't do it, I don't think. I think he did a music video for the Ghostbusters this year, which I don't think counts, but this is before planes, trains and automobiles and call runnings, and you know, uncle Buck. But you say character actor, your character actor. I mean the scene in Home Alone. I mean I remember John Candy and he's in it for less than five minutes. Yeah, yeah, he could maybe be up for the challenge here and I think he will over deliver as me.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I give you a very it'll be a very lovable Smee. Like Bob Hoskins still had a bit of an edge to him. I think John Candy would bring a little more of of the his a brand of, yeah, softer kind of.
Speaker 3:Yeah kind of thing going on and I always like that cameo at the end, you know, when they return back to the London and then he's there like cleaning the fountains. That always. Me for some reason like a very like teary moment. I don't know why it just does.
Speaker 1:I like that little Connection it just kind of adds a little element of like was it all a dream?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that question mark. Yeah, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 5:All right, I can put my mind around it. It's a bigger Smee. Yes, a lovable Smee. Not sure how I feel about a John Candy heel turn, but I can maybe wrap my mind around it.
Speaker 1:It's a likeable heel turn.
Speaker 5:He's not like the full-on villain, you know yeah, but it's like, is he just the kids? At the end, maybe it's just gonna turn on hook.
Speaker 1:I mean, what else is he gonna do at that point?
Speaker 5:All right, I'm not against it. I'm not against it. I'm a massive John Candy fan, so I like to give him work where I can with my podcast. It's me what you got.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't. I went for someone know, notably smaller, probably one of the ones that you might think of once you go through the list of 84, but I'm gonna bring you Danny DeVito Corey. He is in Romancing the Stone this year. While it's a slightly sizable role in that movie, I do feel like it was just kind of comparing going. Okay, romancing the Stone was successful. It was fun. He clearly had a good time doing it. But if you get a chance to be Smee versus like this, I feel like you're gonna go for Smee if you. If you were to ask me, which one do you want? Both will probably be successful. I'm like that. One Smee, please. So I just think Danny DeVito speaks for himself before. Even you know what you're getting with him. He's just, he's a rambunctious Tasmanian devil of a man and I think he'll just be a lot of fun with our captain hook on set as well.
Speaker 3:I like that pig Interesting.
Speaker 5:Hmm. I think you'll play this weird way. You get Ash gives me this out of the box. John Candy may require some rewrites from the hero by the end. And then Nick gave me an on the nose. I did kind of one, I did. I got to take him out of a pretty big movie. It's pretty big to his crew at the time.
Speaker 1:But also an equally big movie.
Speaker 5:Would that make Danny DeVito the most casted person on this podcast?
Speaker 1:You'd be up there. He's, he's, he's now in our five times club.
Speaker 5:That's what I'm saying. He's on our five times club.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's caught. I don't think he's caught up with cage yet.
Speaker 3:So cage is in the lead at the moment.
Speaker 5:What's cage doing in 84, being a young?
Speaker 1:20 something.
Speaker 3:He was going to be in my Glenn Close role but I changed him last minute to John Malcolm.
Speaker 5:I feel like he'd be a good SME Now you're going way against type here.
Speaker 1:All right Cage can do anything, you're not wrong.
Speaker 5:So all right.
Speaker 3:I just, oh my gosh, I have the guts to go with candy.
Speaker 5:But I don't know if I want Danny DeVito to be so important to this podcast.
Speaker 1:It's to.
Speaker 5:he already is Corey I hate it though, because I don't let that influence your decision. I love my cousin Jesse, who loves him. I just I don't want to give him a five. I'm just gonna go. Danny DeVito, keep it, keep it in the box for now.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right. All right, we can live to get further down the line.
Speaker 5:Okay, oh my God, it was kind of tough. All right, I hope the rest are not that bad, which brings us to the end of the show.
Speaker 4:Mr Stunkhead, with too much moose, you are just a punk kid. I want to speak to a grown up all through all those appliance. Excuse me.
Speaker 5:My favorite character.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, by far, I'm sure, yeah.
Speaker 5:Take the movie I play.
Speaker 1:For those of you wondering yes, In our indie film.
Speaker 5:That was that we made about our last video podcast feature. I play Rufio in a scene and played by Dante Bosco, who's had some really fun likes like he's done some like internet stuff lately where, like he's kind of poking fun back at playing Rufio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which has been fun. He's had a great voice acting career too.
Speaker 5:Yes, Avatar, the last airbender TV, a goofy movie but I'm a cheerleader. American Dragon Jake Watt. He's had a very like. He kind of fell out of that and more went more to voice acting.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, which that is not a slight voice. Acting is hard, so the word bang or rain is actually Jamaican slang for uproar, disorder or disturbance. Dante Bosco revealed in an interview that at first he was very intimidated by Dustin Hoffman, who has a reputation for being a big method actor. Reportedly, hoffman would antagonize Bosco offscreen to get into characters. Captain Hook and Rufio were nemesis. Bosco's acting coach just assured him that Hoffman had a bad reputation for being that way and wasn't intentionally trying to be mean or hurt the young actor.
Speaker 1:Just feel like you're being drawn by Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 5:You're a new actor, you come in and there's just like this titan of acting, just like crap the whole time. You're just like oh, this sucks.
Speaker 1:But I did see that during breaks like Bosco, that he watched Midnight Cowboy and stuff and he would ask Hoffman questions and apparently they had a bunch of times and he would just kind of talk about his experiences and stuff off and on screen and so that was a big part of Dante's whole experience with Hook was getting to spend that time with him.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like you did up, like he like ended up earning Hoffman's respect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like Hoffman's like, oh you're not a child actor, you care oh?
Speaker 5:okay, come over here, buddy. But, the names of the original Lost Boys. Slightly, slightly curly nibs, toodles and twins appear on the door to Wendy's house.
Speaker 1:So they're there. So there's no newties there. Yeah, attention to detail, guys. That's what's great about this.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 3:Rufio is the leader of the Lost Boys, he's kind of taken the role of Peter Pan.
Speaker 5:Peter Pan left Neverland, grew up, sold out, got a real job, had kids responsibilities. Rufio takes over. And in a weird way, it's like, while Disney's just destroying everything that we love, just give me a Rufio prequel movie. Give me the movie where Rufio takes over.
Speaker 1:Or they're just yeah, they're just being Lost Boys fighting the fight.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's like the movie where Pan leaves in the first like 20 minutes and Rufio's got to step up. Okay, I want to know where the tattered leather red pants and give me all the stuff I want, all the lore. Rufio's a great character, he is, he's fun, and Dante Bosco plays it like because he's antagonistic, he's mean, he's the Peter Pan, it's the guy where this dude's come back.
Speaker 1:But he's got to like kind of earn Rufio's respect to get everyone else's respect, yeah, and then, like it's an emotional ending, it like builds up to where we really care about Rufio, which is really impressive considering that this is such a giant property, yeah and that you introduce a brand new character and you make us care about him. Oh yeah, because that doesn't happen all the time, as we've come to see in movies in decades.
Speaker 3:After this Not successfully as well. Yeah, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 5:It's a big deal if you make me care about a character more than Captain Hook.
Speaker 2:Right and.
Speaker 5:I like Rufio in this movie more than all the other characters, so yeah for sure, all right. So, guys, this is a big one, do not screw this up. I'm not kidding, do not screw this up.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 5:Nick, you made it. I did Give me your Rufio, okay.
Speaker 1:Michael Jackson is 10 years too old for this and Prince is 10 years old and doing Purple Rain, so my dream cast are both out of the way. But, corey, I'm going to give you somebody and again, this is our flex rule with the child teen actors, so I'm going to give you somebody that their first roles were in 86 on TV shows Better Days and Hill Street Blues. I'm going to give you a young Cuba Gooding Jr, or Cuba Gooding Jr. I think that if you think about also Jerry Maguire, like his over the top this and showmanship as the football player in that, on top of just his general acting ability, I think that a young Cuba Gooding Jr would be a lot of fun in this role.
Speaker 5:I'm not real familiar with young Cuba. I mean, it's just like the youngest Cuba, I know, is boys in the hood.
Speaker 1:Right, just imagine that, okay, a little bit younger.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:All right, with an attitude, with an edge with his, with his Jerry Maguire edge, corey, show me the funny.
Speaker 5:Yeah, all right, I'm going to try and wrap my mind around that while Ash sell me.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm going to go again. Take two. I've actually somehow stayed within the rules. I was tempted to exploit 3B, but now I've stayed within boundaries. So they're roughly the same age. He's actually just two years younger than the actual Dante Vasco Again another actor gone too soon. So I kind of wanted to give him some screen time and I love his performance in like my improv Idaho and he's got that edge and I have changed the character a little bit. And his debut film, debut role was in 1982, seven brides for seven brothers, in a couple of TV shows before and I don't think he's done any movies before 84, but this would be his first if he does.
Speaker 3:I'm giving you whacking Phoenix's younger brother, or older brother, I should say River Phoenix. We may know him as ironically young indie in another steep Spielberg film, last Crusade. Yeah, I'm unfortunately died outside Johnny Depp's nightclub but we didn't see enough of him and the stuff that we did saw kind of the Heath Ledger of the 80s or 90s. For me there was so much potential there it was just coming to bloom and got cut short and I really did want to have that sort of. He had that talent at that age, I think at 14 years old. You could see that in the TV shows that he was in in 82 and 83. So I'm giving you River Phoenix.
Speaker 5:Okay, cool, that's such a good comparison. The Ledger Phoenix, yeah. I've never really thought much about it. I mean, we obviously got a way bigger sample size out of Ledger, but still it is. It's like that weird unappreciated Titan that died right when everyone was starting to come around.
Speaker 1:Oh, this guy's good.
Speaker 5:When he died. Yeah, all right, and they both obviously love to do more indie stuff than yeah, yeah. All right, okay, I'm really tempted to go early on my override.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh, we did it.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't know. I don't know what makes us feel better. Is that a we force Courtney to pull his draw, or that he doesn't like either of our picks and we get piece of hands.
Speaker 3:That's fine.
Speaker 5:I mean, I, the way I always do this as a director, I have like three overrides ready to go for characters I really care about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or.
Speaker 5:I think are important. I got a hook in my back pocket and I got a Peter Pan in my back pocket, just in case.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 5:Because you guys could totally blow it up top and we need those actors to slap.
Speaker 1:It's possible, but I love it. It could happen.
Speaker 5:Here's the thing Again, Cuba getting junior. I just don't know what he's like as a teenager. Again, it's hard for me to think of them past boys in the hood.
Speaker 1:You know, young, dumb, impressionable, I get it and he was just doing TV. Yeah, and 86 is when he gets his start, so this is about two years before we would see him.
Speaker 5:See, and then River Phoenix is like massive talent, but he does stand by me three years later and he looks 12. Right, so it's like what do you look like in 84? I think just kind of a run, and so I'm tempted to go with a guy I got.
Speaker 2:Okay, mm hmm.
Speaker 5:That I'd be pulling out of one of the most important films to me, but he's playing a high schooler.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 5:I'm going to override here and put Johnny Depp in.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 5:Oh my God. 21. Jump. Street himself. He's 21, but he plays high schoolers for the next five years.
Speaker 1:Right, it's true, he's got that baby face. So we're just going to get a slightly older maybe, maybe also pushing lost boys terminology. But we're pulling him out of a nightmare on Elm Street I mean listen it's the same thing, I was arguing with Danny DeVito, which is like, yeah, that's a big movie, Like, but like that's him getting by that. Yeah, that's him getting attention there versus him actually playing a bigger role with actual character substance here and that's the thing I think.
Speaker 5:honestly, if this was like 85 or past, once put to happens, I wouldn't do it. But since all we know from him from now is like one sex comedy, like, club paradise or that and then nightmare on Elm Street, in which he has a young sounding voice his base hasn't come in yet. I think like he's just going to play that rebellion like rebellious teen do the crow and Rufio does seem older than all the other boys.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's pushing, he's got more dominance yeah.
Speaker 5:Like he's almost going to age out if he leaves for a year, right? Yeah, they're really like the real world and grows up one more year. They're not going to let him back in yeah, sorry, these are rules. I'm going to. I didn't hate your choices, I just. It's Rufio.
Speaker 3:I'm are you happy? Or taken him out of Nightmare on Elm Street Because you love that film?
Speaker 5:No, it's hard, it's hard yeah.
Speaker 1:We kill some dollars.
Speaker 5:We're giving him a bigger role here in Hook.
Speaker 1:Right and I think we're going to cry at the end.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, oh yeah Hard.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so um all right, all right, tinkerbell.
Speaker 2:Pan Pan. However you are, it's still you, because only one person has that smell Smell.
Speaker 4:The smell of someone who's ridden the back of the wind.
Speaker 3:Peter, the smell of a hundred fun summers of sleeping in trees, adventures with in-hands and pirates, oh remember.
Speaker 4:Peter, the world was ours. We could do everything or nothing.
Speaker 3:All.
Speaker 4:I had to be was anything, because it was always us.
Speaker 5:Just wildest, because, as far as I know, she was really horrible to work with. Well, if you think about it.
Speaker 1:She is the one that had to work on the green screen by herself on like a stage video. Well, everyone else is getting to have fun with Robin Williams on set.
Speaker 5:Everyone else is in Neverland playing bass.
Speaker 1:Exactly, she can hear their laughter in the same next door.
Speaker 5:I'm not gonna get out the box.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I dubbed her the nickname Tinker Hill because apparently she was difficult to deal with. But given that that was probably one of the first existence moments of green screen for big actors, yeah, I mean, yes, probably after never having to deal with that, they don't have that.
Speaker 5:You know now it's just like if you're going to be an actor, just understand that you may be working in. I mean, just think about Avengers and you see all the behind the scenes footage and it's like the biggest moments.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It's like Iron. Man's death and the Avengers assemble and so you see the behinds like, oh, they're standing in a green room, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you're like I kind of appreciate acting now.
Speaker 5:They're having to really go there, create everything around them and like that's wild to me, but yeah, played by Julia Roberts, who's just become America's sweetheart in 1991. Pretty woman won an Oscar for Aaron Brockovich. She's in my best friend's wedding, notting Hill Ocean's 11. Nick, you did not write down Steel Magnolia's.
Speaker 2:How Dare you Excuse me?
Speaker 5:Which was one of the best movies ever made. But yeah, one exchange of dialogue. Writer Cohen credits to Carrie Fisher are the lines when Tinkerbell says you know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you still remember dreaming, that's where I'll always love you, that's where I'll always be waiting. Carrie Fisher can write.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, she's doctored so many scripts apparently. Yeah, that was her, oh yeah.
Speaker 5:She's a big writer because she was like a recurring character on 30.
Speaker 3:Rock.
Speaker 5:Tina Fey won the like capture that Carrie Fisher was a writer like Tina Fey Okay. Yeah, but apparently Julie Roberts almost put the production in a jeopardy when she fled California after her wedding to Kiefer Sutherland was called off. She was making a book and that went down.
Speaker 1:She did herself no favors with the Tinker Hill moniker yeah.
Speaker 3:She ran away with Jason Patrick as well.
Speaker 5:Yes, with his Lost Boys co-star. That was crazy. She was thinking about the taint she put on that movie by acting a fool like that. Run off with someone else, not as a boy from Lost Boys, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:And then they made the film Run Away, bride.
Speaker 5:Yeah, steven Spielberg essentially had to threaten a fire, so but yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the other other piece of thing I want to throw out there is yeah, she had like a. They gave her the teddy bear from Captain Hook's cabin when she had to checked in the hospital for nervous exhaustion, but then Spielberg realized that they were using that seat. They're going to shoot that scene the next day, so they had to rustle up a lookalike in a few hours. Oh my. God, I should have gone to the hospital like I just need it for today. You'll be fine tomorrow.
Speaker 5:All right, well, okay, so we're looking for a very sassy, sassy actress here, because that's Tinker Bell. She's all sassy. Yeah, I really don't. I've read Peter Pan. I can't recall much, but I feel like Tinker Bell is mainly based off the Disney version and all feature iterations yeah, yeah. It's very kind of aggressively mean protective of Peter Pan. Might kind of love Peter Pan, yeah. I mean I know that we see Peter Pan as a kid, but I didn't think he looked that good to have like Wendy.
Speaker 1:How dare you say that about Dustin Hoffman's son?
Speaker 5:You know Tinker Bell married kind of above his station, moira.
Speaker 1:Listen, he was just a player. The more. The more you read about Peter Pan, the more you look at it from another perspective, the more you realize he's kind of a dick as a kid oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:A little bit.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I get it, I get it All right. So I will choose Tinker Bell, but I guess Nick will keep it with you, since you made the one before.
Speaker 1:Okay, I kind of kept the same mindset of like younger kind of person on. Like Julia Roberts was big on the scene at that moment, so I was pulling somebody that also had just kind of blown up and so I'm giving you young Demi Moore, corey. This year she's doing General Hospital, blame and Arrio bedrooms, a TV movie, the master TV show, but the main one was this no small fare movie. It's just kind of like one of those lost 80s kind of comedy coming of age stories.
Speaker 2:Okay, but I think she called no small affair.
Speaker 5:I think I've seen it.
Speaker 1:It's okay, no-transcript.
Speaker 5:But yeah, I think she just has.
Speaker 1:You think about a saint, almost fire. How she wasn't there, what she was kind of fiery in there as well. So I think she just leans into this really well too. And and she can pull off the haircut.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, she can yeah, she can Smooth frigging saint almost fire into it. It's a good move.
Speaker 1:You see, like you see what I did there small, that's gonna move, good move.
Speaker 5:All right, ash. Hello, the before is on Nick dug into the rat pack. I did yeah, the brat pack, but that's okay.
Speaker 3:Hmm, yeah, I like what you did then, nick, very, very sneaky. Fortunately for you, I've also done the same thing as well, but I've gone somewhere else. I'm playing to the heartstrings of Corey. I've delved into source of the brat pack I was. This is this is my issue of think about. I needed someone who had a good smile, like Julie Roberts. I didn't want them to be too sexy to be distracted, but I wanted that sort of you know, like sass, the attitude, but also just that smile just knocks you out, and Julie just has that all the time. So I wanted someone with a good smile, like a great smile, not saying Demi doesn't have it, but this person for me always has a good smile and for me I'm picking also in San Elmos fire, andy McDowell.
Speaker 5:Also bringing, say no, most fire into it. Classically then, dale.
Speaker 3:It's just her smile reminds me of Julia's and she's got great legs and I have that's. That's enough. In Hudson Hawk, if you see in that film, she's got some serious attitude on that film. I just need to kill this scene. So yeah, I brought two, I guess it's to. So now most fire, which is 85. I think the year after this.
Speaker 5:So yeah, and what does she do? She just started in gray stroke Jane in the.
Speaker 3:Tarzan 84, so we've taken her out of her debut film. So the only bad thing about her is she's not established yet.
Speaker 1:She's not a name yet course now.
Speaker 5:We're Christopher Lambert Tarzan movie, all right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, great film.
Speaker 5:Okay, all right, Huh, okay. Y'all both played pretty strong here. I Should admit that I literally considered how much I like 16 candles and thought about having an override here with Molly Ringwald.
Speaker 1:I don't know why it can't be a teenager like that to your bill.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:I would say that would help because if you think, if you think about the logics of it, if she's in love with Peter Pan, she should be younger, like at least from from our perspective. Yeah, I'm just saying I considered it, but I like 16 candles works better when In the hook, when she's an adult, when Tinkerbell becomes a human and kisses Peter. So it's not weird like if you, if?
Speaker 5:you have an adult Peter.
Speaker 1:Pan and a teenage yeah.
Speaker 5:I just since Molly Ringwald listens to this podcast. I just want to know. I think she'd be a perfect Tinkerbell.
Speaker 2:Oh I.
Speaker 5:You know I'm gonna go, andy McDowell. I am and I think it's just because I Think Demi's a little too. Julia Roberts.
Speaker 1:You think she's a little too big for her britches? I think so little too much pixie dust going on there.
Speaker 5:Oh, too much, yeah I think I need any McDowell here. I like it.
Speaker 1:You want a sweetheart.
Speaker 5:I didn't even think any McDowell.
Speaker 1:But no, I'm in you're on the board, ash Dale.
Speaker 5:Beiberman from say no, it was fire all of us.
Speaker 3:I've got one on the board. We're good, that's not gonna be.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, we're all collectively. Let's just end it here.
Speaker 1:We have three more.
Speaker 5:All right. Well, that just brings us to Jack banning.
Speaker 4:For never letting me jump on my own bed. We're always making promises I'm breaking up.
Speaker 5:I'd love to see what y'all did here, because it is a child actor up top. Yeah, try. Played by Charlie Coursmo. Nick, you didn't write down Charlie Coursmo's credit.
Speaker 1:I do it's. Oh, you did Hardly wait, right? Yes, his glorifying moment.
Speaker 5:Charlie Coursmo and can't hardly wait is incredible. And just on the subject of, I Didn't realize it was the kid from hook until by like the third time I watched. Can't hardly wait. Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, that's the kid from buck, so all right, that's gonna come up a lot in this episode. Joseph Mazzello was once considered for the role of Jack but was turned down, being too young for the role. At the time, steven Spielberg promised him a role in a future product movie, jurassic Park 1993.
Speaker 1:Is Dr Hammons grandson Tim imagine getting prom like sorry, you didn't make my movie, but I'll put you in the next one. And it's, but it turns out to be Jurassic Park.
Speaker 5:Oh, my kid was upset like dinosaurs. That's stupid like pirates. All right, jack was the name of one of the boys for whom author Sir Jay and Barry wrote Peter Pan and later of whom became the adopted father. The five boys were George, jack, nicholas, peter and Michael Davies. So that's sweet. But yeah, charlie Coursmo, he is weirdly an incredible kid actor. He just, you know, was smart and didn't stay Like, became like that, went to Harvard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it came like I'm visor. I'm too smart for this guy.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's just like I'm way too smart to be an actor. He's like a really well accomplished like political advisor or something like that. I don't it's greatly. Okay, all right. So I need a talented kid with that's gonna really be able to sell me on daddy issues. Yes like, and he's so damaged that he's willing to let a pirate become a stand.
Speaker 1:Hmm, so I think Ash made it, so he's, he gets go the ass.
Speaker 5:You're up getting your jack banning.
Speaker 3:All right, okay, yeah, so once again, I haven't exploited rule 3b yet, so he's technically within boundaries. You'll know this name. Actually, he continues to do films, which is quite rare for child actors to be, so he's done no very young, charlie Coursmo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he was that, but he's ten years old, said this guy. I believe Charlie was 13, so there will be a bit of a difference, but it might work in his favor. His debut film Was a film called Hotel New Hampshire and I'm gonna give you Seth Green, who you probably will know from Family Guy without a paddle, the Interestingly wacky Italian job guy. Yeah, so if you can't, hardly wait, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, there we go, there we go. Um, there's a film called Hotel New Hampshire in 84 which he's in, and he actually looks kind of similar to Jack In a good way, because you know, he never got his growth spurt when he was a teenager, but he's probably at his tallest when he's ten years old, so he still got that that sort of come into the 1415 era. But, yeah, I'm crazy, I'm gonna have. Mr Merlin Was an actor in a few roles just before 84, but yeah, I'm very established now in terms of rom-com films without paddle. That's another one as well. That's personal favorite of mine. The Italian job. Yeah, I bring Seth Green to the table.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 5:All I can think about Seth Green and Austin Powers Green, awesome powers is.
Speaker 1:Art of.
Speaker 5:Jack banning. I hate my father, but also my father's evil.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay can't catch a break oh my gosh.
Speaker 5:Okay, Nick Seth Green is on the board. It's on the board. At first I don't know how I feel about it, but now I've kind of like almost sold myself.
Speaker 1:I was tempted to play dirty and throw you one of the quarries, oh oh, but I think I found some of that. Personally, I think we'll play this role better, but I'm gonna give you Henry Thomas from ET himself the original, the main character kid from ET in 82. He's 13 years of age right now doing Cloak and dagger and misunderstood Arthur show movies that he's in. So nothing of major. No, reading Corey's face to see if he actually cares about these shows.
Speaker 5:Listen.
Speaker 1:Hames in firstborn and Corey Feldman is in Friday, your favorite, friday the 13th or one of your favorites.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, you can't pull Felman now. So a final chapter.
Speaker 1:Now I'm gonna give you the other guy, the other, the other kids Spielberg likes to work with and they get around to in this one.
Speaker 5:I mean I do Hi, Cloak and dagger, but it's not like it's just a good movie. It's not like my heat's integral to it.
Speaker 1:No, he's the star. Oh is he?
Speaker 5:Oh, no, he's, he's, he's the main character, but, like I mean, I'm just saying not a lot.
Speaker 3:It would be ruined then, wouldn't it, corey?
Speaker 5:Just, oh my gosh, this is like me all over again. I'm just like seeing two different things here. I can like I don't know Seth Green, he's just. I have a hard time. I like I've watched it the miniseries. I like I've seen him as a child, but it's hard to not see him as just a small man.
Speaker 3:I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:Cloak and dagger is about a young boy and his imaginary friend who end up on the run while in possession of a top-secret spy gadget. That sounds so cool. It's pretty solid. Yeah, we'll just put the other Corey in this one.
Speaker 5:Cory Hame would do fine and go to dagger. My thing is, corey Hame didn't have a ton of range true. I Just don't okay. Okay, the whole thing in Jack Banning is he's Charlie course mode. He just does a really good job.
Speaker 1:He does one of the underrated child performances because he comes off so naturally.
Speaker 5:I'm going, henry Thomas, nice, just based on the ET audition tapes that we've all seen. Yeah, I on command and I just we're gonna really root for the kid and he always looks lost as a kid. You look at me, thomas, he just looks confused, like he never knows where he's at. He's like that kid you see in the mall and you're like where's this mom? You lost it. No, it's just gonna work out. He's in Neverland looking for some sort of identity and Captain James Hooks gonna give it to him.
Speaker 3:No, yeah.
Speaker 5:I'm go, yeah, I'm gonna go that nice we have that.
Speaker 3:We have burned in some stuff in 84.
Speaker 5:I mean cooking daggers, I think the least thing, for some reason, and so it's like whatever the Jackie real Haley just gets the role and yeah, there you go. Okay, I think he was number two choice for the Glenn roll. Okay, that brings us to the top two guys that cannot stress this enough, we cannot screw this up which are ruining we can do. Let me look at the bottom here. Yep, nothing.
Speaker 1:You played yourself.
Speaker 5:Danny DeVito could be Peter Bandy. All right, all right, okay, let's do, captain James. Not sure if this is the greatest Performance of Captain Hook. We just had a lot of bad ones.
Speaker 1:It's the best one so far, other than maybe like the voice acting for hook and the Peter Pan. Yeah, obviously it's just like every hook we've seen since.
Speaker 5:It's just been bad, like Hugh Jackman and Jude Law.
Speaker 1:Well, like Dustin Hoffman, definitely leaned into the whole cartoon Disney cartoon.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm gonna play a version of this like but that's pretty close.
Speaker 1:Everybody else is like well, I have to do something different. I'm like but you really don't.
Speaker 3:Go for it. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5:So yeah, this is played by Dusty Hoffman, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah the man.
Speaker 5:All right, we're close, so I can call him Dusty. Okay, he's given me permission. That's nice of him Tootsie, midnight cowboy, rain man, kramer versus Kramer. Kung fu panda marathon man. I mean it's, it's Dustin, he's the guy, he he's in meet the Fockers.
Speaker 1:It's really a bumbley, lovable day.
Speaker 5:I want a movie of just those two characters.
Speaker 1:I would watch that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, yeah. So on the right yeah yeah.
Speaker 5:So according to Phil Collins an interview, dustin Hoffman was so meticulous that he was present two months before it was actually required to film a scene, simply so that he could get immersed in the role. Oh, again, very famously, like method is all get out to the point. Directors have just yelled at him. When the bandings fly to the United Kingdom for Christmas, the pan and captain announcement is voiced by Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of a nod to like the plays where he, the same actor that played the dad, would play. Yeah, yeah, captain hook.
Speaker 5:Down the roll. David Bowie turned down the roll that actually would have worked, following his appearance in the movie, close friend and former roommate, gene Hackman Again, calling him hook is a joke the name stuck in his contemporaries calling by that nickname to this day. Nice, yeah, nikki, got anything. You want to add any of that? You?
Speaker 1:know just just that the character of captain hook. He was inspired by this reverend I guess that JM Berry came in contact with over in In East Sussex and so he just happened to have a hook for a hand and he told everyone he lost it in a coach accident and no one had any reason to Down his story until a man named Smith came to town and revealed that he lost his hand in a previous career as a pirate. So apparently he pretty successful career until he decided to strand his partner Smith in the Caribbean, returned to England, become a man of the cloth. It's a whole wild story where Smith comes back to track down his friend and try to blackmail him and the paranoia like drove him mad. So it's like this weird like Amadeus kind of story going on with the origin story for captain hook allegedly so. Just thought that was a really interesting piece of history right there. Okay, this is wild.
Speaker 5:In an interview with Playboy in 2004, justin Hoffman recalls this aha moment between him and Bob Hoskins in which they realized that their characters were gay. He fit. They believed that JM Berry wrote them as gay and they played them as quote a couple of old Queens Like, I guess, just this gay couple that's just past the honeymoon stage.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and so, and so. That's why, like, there is this sense of like.
Speaker 3:Hey.
Speaker 5:Commodities, yeah, and like yeah, yeah, I could see that in a weird way, like they're trying to adopt a son together.
Speaker 1:Peter Pan is the real villain of this story. He is standing.
Speaker 5:He is standing between this perfectly great LGBT company, that a couple that just wants a child and he's the product of the child. Now, in all fairness, they lock up a bunch of other kids.
Speaker 1:That's what I was about to say like Maggie's right there, but she gets thrown in this other room, boys yeah, all right, All right. So they're not all captain hooks not opening an orphanage, it's interesting.
Speaker 5:I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that doesn't know, I had no idea about that. As gay apparently Spielberg had to be like guys pull back.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's fine, I'm gonna put this on camera.
Speaker 1:All right, it's 91, they will they were not quite ready for they will burn us at the stake.
Speaker 5:So all right, all right. Cool, I guess, if you made this movie now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that means it would work.
Speaker 5:Um, all right, that's interesting. Okay, guys, I need an actor that's super method and is gonna play captain James hook is possibly a gay man.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I made it last, so I'll take it here.
Speaker 5:That's my criteria.
Speaker 1:Okay, cory, this one. It might be on the nose but I think like he will play captain hook as we have seen him. As with Dustin Hoffman, the cartoon, it'll be very familiar and close to that. I was a little too afraid to pick anybody that would take it in a weird direction or anything at that point. So I'm giving you Jeremy Irons this year he is in swan and love, which is just more of a period piece, it seems like, but I think he would just nail it. It's weirdly like his voice. I know he's the voice of scar already, but like, like it's almost on point. It's almost like Dustin Hoffman is doing a Jeremy Irons to an extent.
Speaker 1:Hmm you know, the voice is almost exactly the same like you wouldn't have to change like it's the same as every other role he's been in.
Speaker 5:That's better say Jeremy Irons is not gonna have to. No try hard.
Speaker 1:Just play himself. You're older and you hate children, got it.
Speaker 5:Ash, that's brilliant. I don't know what you're about to do.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I mean I'm a big fan of Jeremy Irons. I can't really compete with that, but I love the guy in Brings' table so I'm gonna defend him and I brought him to the table before on Consumorycast and he was rejected just so slightly. So we're going again. I'm bringing you a guy who actually could pull this off very well and he might have his own take on it, but he will stay true to the hook role. He's a free agent and he's quite good at playing villains. I mean this is a year before he's a Bond villain.
Speaker 3:I'm giving you Christopher walking Christopher what he would suit a pirate outfit. Why he hasn't played a pirate before, I don't know. I just think he can add a bit of charm to it. I mean he'd definitely have that flamboyance if he's going in that direction as well. But yeah, he's definitely played villains. He's already been established from Deer Hunter and Annie Hall, roughly the same age as Dustin Hoffman was in 91. I think he has that sort of like pirate-esque look going on already. I think he can bring a bit of swagger to the role that Dustin sort of made. Maybe he didn't go as far with, maybe.
Speaker 5:I did not know that Christopher Walken was a Bond villain.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Who.
Speaker 3:He was in the Timothy Dolson one, I think the two that he did.
Speaker 5:Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. You can't blame me because I'm not British and I don't like James Bond In the same way. Ash, I can't blame you for what's about to happen. Oh no.
Speaker 2:This is just your fault.
Speaker 5:I think that's why he's played Captain Hook.
Speaker 1:He has In a live.
Speaker 5:TV version that happened in the last. Like what?
Speaker 1:5 to 10 years here in America.
Speaker 5:He has yeah.
Speaker 3:And it wasn't great. Oh, my word, I'm just looking at it up now. Hold on two seconds, you're chilling in this right now.
Speaker 1:This is the first time he's seen that, no, no this isn't Ash's fault.
Speaker 3:Wait, so he's Captain Hook. He just pan live. Oh my gosh, a TV movie 2014. On Voodoo if you want to watch. I'm not even going to repeat the IMDb score on this, because that's the first thing I saw.
Speaker 5:It wasn't good, I don't know, for whatever reason In theory, great idea.
Speaker 1:Love the casting thought.
Speaker 3:Is this another Tim Curry-Adams family moment where he was in the wrong movie? Maybe age?
Speaker 1:might have played into it a little bit, but also the fact that it's like a stage live version probably also didn't help.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't know that Walk-In was made for the stage.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:At least not in this role.
Speaker 5:But unfortunately I have this thing that I can't get out of my head, so I have to go with Jeremy.
Speaker 3:I understand. I can't believe he's played Hook before. I've blown my mind.
Speaker 5:honestly, you said it he's like he's never played in pirate and I'm like, well, yes, but I don't think it landed over there. The United States has this weird thing where we like to do live stage plays on primetime television once a year.
Speaker 3:It's incredible, like 2014, it came out.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We've done a horrible grease.
Speaker 5:We've done a horrible Grinch one. We've done a lot of horrible stage live. The grease thing was good because of Vanessa Hudgens.
Speaker 1:Was good. Julian Huff was good. The lead the Danny was bad, but he wasn't bad. He just wasn't Travolta. That was the only problem.
Speaker 5:He's just not Travolta. Only one man can play Travolta. You had Vanessa.
Speaker 1:Hudgens high school fame. You had Julian Huff dancing with a star's fame, and then you had the guy from Les Mis. That's the rebel leader.
Speaker 5:Hudgens sang her Rizzo song better than Rizzo from the original. But no one can play Travolta except Nic Cage. That is it.
Speaker 2:So alright.
Speaker 5:Jeremy Irons is on the board. Oh my gosh, alright, peter Pan, peter Banning. I haven't done a lot of character descriptors coming up at this point because it's like you know who they are, but obviously this movie takes a lot of creative liberties with the character of Peter Pan.
Speaker 2:He has left Neverland.
Speaker 5:He's grown up and the real world has gotten ahold of him. It's honestly, when you watch Hood Now in your 30s, you're like man. That is depressing. This is like the death of child is what happened. Peter Pan grew up.
Speaker 1:You watch him go hook about Peter having a midlife crisis.
Speaker 5:And it's just like yeah, and it's just like obviously he's completely forgotten about Neverland and being Peter Pan. He has to be remembered and it's just beautifully written and it's great. And then, like even discovering his, rediscovering his childhood, it makes him a better dad, you hearing all that, dads you hearing it.
Speaker 1:It's okay. It's okay to embrace childhood a little bit, a little bit of childhood. We don't want to go outside and shoot guns. Alright, we want you to be at our baseball games though.
Speaker 5:I have to ask and like we're trying to close, we're trying to wrap up in this our last thing. But, ash, we mainly brought you on because you're from England. It's like Peter Pan like this massively important thing over there, because here it's like it's important that Disney made a cartoon that we saw as kids but obviously it's this important play, written by JM Berry, which is from your part of the world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean we try and hold on to stuff written in the UK and then try and exploit it and have some kind of like hold on it Like we don't try and share it with the world, and we have that really obnoxious kind of like with James Bond like an American actor can't play. Yet you know, you guys allow Batman and Superman to be played by British people, so that's one thing I hate. But with Peter Pan, when Disney made Peter Pan, it was an absolute success. I think it was like one of the first times it was like oh, you're acknowledging a British Disney character instead of an American one. They did it a few times before.
Speaker 3:We love Peter Pan. Yeah, it's been redone time and time again here and you know, like the TV movie of Christopher walking, we every year we have pantomines and most of it is re adaptations of just one character, maybe Captain Hook or Wendy or Peter Pan, and they have that ammunition to maybe even maybe just the Lost Boys. So and they do it time and time again. But yeah, we do have like a still I think a bit of an unnecessary grip on Peter Pan, where I actually think America probably exploited it to the world when Peter Pan came out as a Disney.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's one of those things. It's the same with, like I guess, winnie the Pooh, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, oh, that's true, they both have a similar you have like the original cartoon, there's a live action continuation and there's also a book about, or a movie about, how they were made.
Speaker 5:Yeah, oh, it's so true.
Speaker 1:Ash have you been to the Peter Pan statue? In the park in.
Speaker 3:London. You know what Nick? No, I have not been there, like Nick can testify to this. Like when Nick came here, he was showing me around when we were in Oxford I didn't know Tolkien's grave was in.
Speaker 1:Oxford yeah when. I mean Ash hung out, we went to Tolkien's grave and to see us loose his house.
Speaker 5:I've done all this. I've seen the Peter Pan statue and gone to Tolkien's grave, you've done more than.
Speaker 1:I have, and I think we're more British than Ash.
Speaker 5:I think they just call us tourists.
Speaker 3:Honestly, you've probably done more of the cool stuff Like. I think it's because it's accessible and you just sort of take it for granted that you are like you know we're not doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:In all fairness, ash just told us he's visiting the state soon. He's like, hey, have you all been to the Twister Museum in Oklahoma? And we're like, no, yeah, I thought that was a good question. That's just how it is.
Speaker 3:True, true, true yeah.
Speaker 5:All right, I just thought. I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 3:No no no.
Speaker 1:Good question. I get a feel of people, so context, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:All right. So it's Peter Pan. It's awesome, played by the late Robin Williams. Horrible, horrible loss that we're all still feeling. Obviously, the voice of the genie in a lad, mrs Duffer, one hour photo. Good morning Vietnam. Oh my gosh, every it's Robin Williams. He's more from work at Mindy.
Speaker 2:That's where I fell in love with him as a kid.
Speaker 5:He shaved his upper body and arms for this role because Robin Williams is very he's a hairy man. Yeah, he became best friends with director Steven Spielberg while making this movie. Reportedly after Williams' death, spielberg decided to watch this movie out of remembrance, but couldn't finish it because he couldn't stop crying for several hours. Sounds like Tanner.
Speaker 1:Listen, I was there when I have. I remember it happening and we tried to try to keep Tanner off the internet, but that's impossible.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so Tanner loves Rob Williams, and that was a rough day in our house. Peter's backstory in this movie is Lucy, based on the book Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens. The first book Arthur, sir Jay and Barry wrote about the character in 1906. Specifically, this movie uses Peter managing to run away from home as an infant meaning fairies and discovering that his parents haven't had another child when he briefly returns home for its origin so yeah.
Speaker 5:Hoffman described his co-star, robin Williams, as a person with two sides to his personality. He jokingly said one side was not the kind person you would want to raise as a kid in your house, but an absolute delight to work with. And he said that Williams had a very opposite side to his personality, in that he could be a very shy, insecure and vulnerable person who you could just want to give a big hug to. So often said at times Williams was very nervous about his performance in this movie off camera.
Speaker 1:I mean, the more time we spend away from Robin Williams passing, the more you understand just how much he there's been interviews and stuff that come out with just how much he was struggling internally.
Speaker 5:Yeah, the red flag type of. Thing and that, yeah, you know, and it's the sad clown thing where people start going there's a thing with people who are constantly like funny and trying to make everyone laugh, that really is on the inside you know. A lot of times it's like you sometimes look at Jim Carrey and you're like I hope he's fine.
Speaker 1:It seems like he's found some.
Speaker 3:Zen.
Speaker 5:Moment to himself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's definitely got some Zen. I think, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so all right.
Speaker 1:No, I think, I think that you know we haven't talked, we haven't deep dubbed too much about the performances and stuff, but I do think, like they're all like so on point, Like this is one of those cast where it is. That's also why it's so hard to consider recasting it, because everybody, from Schmi up to up to here, like they just nail their goals, exactly what they need to be done. But and I think that this is like to me, like the best Robin Williams performance across the board, like you're getting the full Robin Williams experience, like he's getting to ad lib and have fun, like we see him do in Miss Doubtfire and Aladdin, but you're also getting to see some really dramatic chops being shown that you don't you only get to see in things like Goodwill Hunting and One Hour Photo and stuff like that.
Speaker 5:What Dreams May Come, which is like one of my favorite Robin Williams performances, but I will never, ever, ever watch that movie ever ever again. So, yeah, it's true, it's like you just really see like this other side of them, for sure All right. Now that we're all sad, let's cast.
Speaker 3:Thanks guys.
Speaker 5:Let's recast Peter Pan.
Speaker 3:Is it?
Speaker 5:It's me again, Yep you made it All.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, I'm just going to come straight to the point, Corey, there was one name that pretty much popped up and I, as I hunted, this is the only one that stuck to it Michael Keaton.
Speaker 5:Gosh, that's good, oh man, oh.
Speaker 1:Johnny. This year he's doing Johnny dangerously.
Speaker 5:I don't love it.
Speaker 1:Previously, the year before, is Mr Mom, and in 82, it's night shift. So we're getting about that point of Michael Keaton's career Obviously not Batman yet, obviously not into his 90s run with all of that where he's like an action hero, strangely. But here I think he has a good balance and we'll get the pull a little bit from what was so great as a Bruce Wayne and also getting to see him be more Beetlejuice and stuff like that a little bit with his ad lipping. I just think it's one of those like this fits, it works.
Speaker 5:I'm looking for the flaw, but I can't find it.
Speaker 1:You can't find it, I'm really worried for Ash.
Speaker 5:Even where's the glasses?
Speaker 1:Is Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 5:It's really good, it's Michael Keaton. I don't know, maybe he's going to have to die first before people realize the range that man has. True, as an actor, he's originally a comedian. He was originally in a stand up and stuff. He does Batman. Everybody takes him seriously, but then he does multiplicity. Where he does both, he's Beetlejuice.
Speaker 5:He is so much and then like it's so. It's like in this role you have to have a character going from one extreme to the other and he can obviously do that, but it's like when he's the mean dad yelling at the kid for throwing the ball in the plane. It's like the you want to get nuts, let's get nuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:I like it. Yeah, all right, okay, I'm going to cut to the chase. I love Michael Keaton. He's like one of my favorite actors. I'm so glad you know when. When that film came out, what's the one?
Speaker 1:Birdman, birdman, yeah, that's it, the ironic film that came out and then you know it revived the key, yeah, the Keaton on, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I love Michael Keaton and I don't have anything bad to say. All I'll say about my one when Robin Williams played Peter Pan, I was. He was homie, you know. It was just. He felt at home. Every you know. Just looking at him you felt like wow, that guy, you know that's someone's dad. You can just feel that in it's there's nothing Hollywood about it. There's nothing. You know. I'm not saying he's not a good looking, I'm not saying he's over the top, I'm just saying it was perfect. It was just like you got it when you saw Robin Williams and that was probably due to the way he was acting, the way he is as a person, the way he looks, and I felt that when I watched Peter Pan and with all of his films he was just very homie. You got a Robin Williams and you, you believed him in anything he did. This is why I've chosen this actor and I'm not trying to be meta here, but I just genuinely think this guy can do that. I feel very homie when I see this guy and I am telling you I am bringing Dustin Hoffman, I am casting Captain James Hook from the 84, from 91, and I'm going to put Dustin Hoffman and if you look at him, at Tootsie, he looks exactly like Robin Williams the same hair, the same height, the same passion you were talking about.
Speaker 3:Meet the fuckers as well. He has that childish quality, he has range. He's established. He's done everything before this movie. He's got 82 to 85. He's doing nothing. Everything before, from straw dogs to, you know, to marathon man. He's done every single genre beforehand. I mean, I would, I, when I see Dustin Hoffman, I feel homie. And I love Michael Keaton. I love Michael Keaton's a bit, but I see, you know, he's kind of good looking, he's kind of eccentric, I like that as well. But with Dustin Hoffman I feel like it's quite on the nose with ironically as well, because he plays hook. But yeah, I feel that passion, but yeah, that's all I say Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's. Your argument is just that he come, he plays a little bit more of like the every man, especially when you're talking about like.
Speaker 2:Peter banning.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And having the struggles of being a dad. We're trying to balance the job and work and work, work, work, home life kind of thing I can see that for sure. Yeah, and I didn't think about the meet the fuckers role he played for in terms of his, like, light energy. But yeah, and normally we're not the ones that like want to sit here and recast people that were in the previous movie, but sometimes, sometimes there's that overlap that happened.
Speaker 3:I wanted to avoid that, but I just. Yeah, he reminded me of Robin Williams a bit when he was in meet the fuckers and I know it's an awful comparison to make, but he had that energy in him and, yeah, it's such a cool performance. I love it For sure.
Speaker 2:Corey the time.
Speaker 1:What's the time is now.
Speaker 5:They're both brilliant, I actually. So I honestly don't really love it when we do the connective tissue thing a lot. I'm more into it if it was like a kid at the time and like we take it later, Like if we were casting McCulloch Hulk in like a 2018 home alone.
Speaker 1:I'd be more into it. Like him playing like an adult character, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Like I would be more into that Normally. I don't like this connective tissue stuff where we take someone from the original yeah, I mean 30 seconds or less I'm into it. For the big roles I'm less into it. But like tootsie man, he's a lot of fun and tootsie and he just did tootsie at 82. And it's like I see.
Speaker 1:They both have like interesting like reverse trajectories as actors. Like Dustin goes from being a serious actor in his early years to being like a comedian actor. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then he does the opposite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tough choice, corey.
Speaker 5:I think they're both equally perfect in different ways, and I can't believe I'm gonna say this when I'm going to Dustin Hoffman. What Whoa? Oh my God.
Speaker 1:I guess everything you believe, Corey.
Speaker 5:I know I honestly kind of mad at myself for not going with Keaton, but it's like I think what I like about the idea of Hoffman doing this is he's coming off like all the presidents of men Marathon man, tootsie Like he has like done this, just ring of like I'm the most serious actor in the world and maybe in 84, it's time to just let him have some fun.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm gonna be like I'm loose. I can see that All right.
Speaker 5:And it's like I think it is the beat the fuckers thing that y'all brought up. I think that sealed it for me. I was like, oh my gosh, he can be this really lovable character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:And I mean like obviously Keaton can too, but like I think I like taking the serious guy and forcing him to lighten up a little bit in 84, then doing the opposite with Keaton.
Speaker 1:You've done it, ash, you have. You have beaten the odds, as it were. I'm gonna be upset at myself later. You probably are.
Speaker 5:I'm gonna text Nick later and be like I'm sorry, I should have done something.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna get like a five minute voicemail from from Corey later.
Speaker 5:Like I am, Honestly, that's probably one of the more well played things y'all've ever put me through. I don't know that y'all could have brought two better actors for this role in 84.
Speaker 1:When it went quiet I was like wow, Corey's like okay, well, just it's done, All right, All right.
Speaker 5:Well, that is hook.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 5:And what we think it would look like in 84 if we were in charge, by keeping ourselves within rules, of course. Obviously, the last thing is Nick continues to fill out the cast here, Do you guys think it's weird that there's not like a Neverland theme park? Like we have Harry Potter world, we have Star Wars world. Now Should there be like a Neverland theme park? That would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:I feel like there should be, Like I mean, it was literally built like that's. The whole beauty of the movie is like you look at it and go like, oh, I want to go to this place. This place looks like somewhere that would be fun to be at.
Speaker 5:Did they build Pandora and I think, can I go to Pandora?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can go to Pandora. Okay, that's an animal kingdom over in Florida. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the reason, the reason there's no Neverland, and it's because it's a one man show. There's only been one movie, there's no sequel, it's just been remade.
Speaker 2:Whereas the others.
Speaker 3:It must be that, because you can't make really a sequel to this. It's just a solo ghost, it's a solo gig, and then we make it a bunch of times and hope for the best. I guess For sure.
Speaker 5:We should also mention the fact whether it was intentional or not, but you have to kind of like give them credit that they took out the more or less problematic Tiger Lily stuff they did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:In 91, no one would have been saying you can't do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It's just like. It's like some, either it was a timing issue or someone on set said, hey, this may not be a good idea.
Speaker 1:This you know, maybe we shouldn't do that.
Speaker 5:Maybe that was something people kind of like glare at at the animated movie and how.
Speaker 1:I mean being a longer movie. Maybe that was also a logic of like there's just too much to cover.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right.
Speaker 5:All right Hook in 1984 playing a gutless. The pirate that gets thrown in the boobox in a fun cameo will be Michael Jackson. Nice man, he's just. He just do thriller he did.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh he is. I was going to mention that, yeah.
Speaker 5:Oh, wow, okay, I'm going to be playing the game right before it happens, because it's the boobox.
Speaker 5:All right Doodles will be played by Bert Landcaster. Moira Banning will be played by Sally Field, of course. Um, thudbutt will be played by Leo O'Brien, of Last Dragon fame I'm a fan. Maggie Banning will be played by the poltergeist girl, heather O'Rourke, grandi and Granny Windy you both chose her, of course. Mary Poppins herself, julie Andrews Um, just take Maggie Song and give it to Granny Windy. Um, all right, smee will be played by Danny DeVito. That's also one that's going to bug me later. Uh, rufio will be played by a young Johnny Depp. Dean Gurbel will be played by Andy McDowell, jack Banning being played by Henry Thomas of ET fame. Captain James Luke will be played by Jeremy Irons and will essentially sound exactly the same. Um, and I mean that a good way. And then Peter Pan Banning and Mustache gonna be played by Captain Hook himself, dustin Hoffman, that's insane, it is insane.
Speaker 1:I really thought I had a solid, can't lose thing there and Ash came out of nowhere. I did.
Speaker 5:I thought you did too. I don't know you. You messed up by having too much of a conversation about Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had that Matt Damon moment in air at the end, just like let's just let it all out now.
Speaker 5:My gosh, that is. I weirdly like it. I'm gonna be bugged about like in a week, but luckily in two or three weeks off. Forget we ever did this episode, that's true.
Speaker 1:And then I'll be like one day we'll do hook Like Corey. We've done that weeks ago, it's like you're lying, all right.
Speaker 5:Well, that was hook. That's 1984. Ash, thanks for joining us. Uh on all the social media platforms. Go and find us, interact with us, engage with us, tell us who you would cast in this 1984 version, and try to keep yourself in the bounds of the rules, because this is hard.
Speaker 1:It is, this is harder than we make it look.
Speaker 3:Yeah, promise.
Speaker 5:And so, um, nick watches like 18, 1984 movies this week and I'm just like Nick, calm down, just Google things. So, um, but we hope you enjoyed it. If you've never seen hook, please go watch it, because it's incredible. Give it a better rating on Evert Um, but thanks for joining us. We'll be back next time. Should we tell them what we're doing? I think we should. We will be doing because there's a musical adaptation. I don't know. I don't know if the movies are remake or a musical or remake.
Speaker 1:It is a, it is a remake. Oh, it's a. It's a. It's the musical Broadway version being made into a movie.
Speaker 5:Mean girls.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's got to mean girls.
Speaker 5:Mean girls, uh, from the early 2000s, the Lindsay Lohan movie. We will be doing that. We're actually going to be taking it very controversially to 1984 because, come on, mean girls is a brat pack movie that got made in the 2000s.
Speaker 1:It's it's our first back to back year. We've never done this before but you know, first beginning of the year got to start off with a bang.
Speaker 5:All fairness. There were no teenage girls and hook, so it's still, everything's on the board.
Speaker 3:So it's great.
Speaker 1:And we'll be joined next week by our friend of the podcast. She's been on a few other times on Barbie and a Wizard of Oz, to name a few, but Ali Dale will be joining us next week. Allison Dale, woo, ali, good time.
Speaker 5:We'll be joining us. It'll be great. So, um, watch, mean girls, freshen up, and then I think, by the time this drops, you should be able to have seen the musical remake.
Speaker 1:If you care about watching it, if you care about such things.
Speaker 5:And so please join us. Thanks for thanks for listening. Say good night, nick.
Speaker 1:Bye.