After the news of Marvel's casting of the upcoming Fantastic Four, we decided to drop our formerly Patreon-exclusive mini-sode (from over a year ago!) to see how close we got to nail this cast! Discover how Cory, Tanner and Nick's predictions measured up to the star-studded reality slated for Marvel's 2025 epic.
Who's got the chops to embody the genius of Reed Richards and the grace of Sue Storm? And who is worthy enough to don Dr. Doom's iconic mask and give us the iconic villain we deserve? (He's yet to be cast, so maybe we get it right!)
Will Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Victor Von Doom's cerebral clash redefine superhero rivalries? We dissect potential story arcs and the seismic shifts in the post-Endgame MCU, sowing seeds for an intricately woven narrative web.
Join us for a conversation brimming with audacious predictions, insider musings, and passionate Marvel fandom.
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Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
After the news of Marvel's casting of the upcoming Fantastic Four, we decided to drop our formerly Patreon-exclusive mini-sode (from over a year ago!) to see how close we got to nail this cast! Discover how Cory, Tanner and Nick's predictions measured up to the star-studded reality slated for Marvel's 2025 epic.
Who's got the chops to embody the genius of Reed Richards and the grace of Sue Storm? And who is worthy enough to don Dr. Doom's iconic mask and give us the iconic villain we deserve? (He's yet to be cast, so maybe we get it right!)
Will Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Victor Von Doom's cerebral clash redefine superhero rivalries? We dissect potential story arcs and the seismic shifts in the post-Endgame MCU, sowing seeds for an intricately woven narrative web.
Join us for a conversation brimming with audacious predictions, insider musings, and passionate Marvel fandom.
Thanks for listening; If you feel like supporting us, this is where you do that!
BuyMeACoffee
Check out or other content/socials here.
Linktree
Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
Hey everybody, it's Nick. I just wanted to give a quick Preface about the episode. This is an older episode that we had for our patreon a few years ago when we kind of we're trying to predict who we thought the Fantastic Four would be. Obviously, yesterday we got information about who was actually casted in marvel's Fantastic Four coming out next year in 2025, but we just thought this would be something fun to share for those of you that are interested, just to kind of see if we got it right or we got close or not. So we hope you enjoy. It's Crabletime. Doom hates us all. The answer personal score to settle with me. You have now arrived in your desired time.
Speaker 2:Welcome to another episode of quantum dreamcast. So if you're listening to this, that means, um, you're a patron here. Uh, you're on the other side of that, that great paywall that we're really appreciative of, because that just means you're really helping us grow this podcast and find new listeners and just enabling us to keep doing this, because this is just a lot of our time in our own money and it's just great to get a little help. And so if you're listening this, we're completely thankful that you're here. So what we're gonna do?
Speaker 2:here is uh, when we do dreamcast, we're just gonna take something in which all the Hollywood scuttlebutt is just really interested about who's playing who for a property. And so for this inaugural episode of dreamcast, we want to do the fantastic four movie that's supposed to come out at some point by disney, right?
Speaker 1:the fantastic four in 2024 kory.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, wow Dang, that's good, that's just good marketing.
Speaker 3:It's good. Marketing is what that is. It's smart, it's smart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it would look like idiots if they put out 2023. Right, yeah, it's supposed to kick off.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to kick off the Phase six of the marvel movies, which will be like lead out to the, to the next set of avengers movies. Yes, we are ending phase four right now. We're about to start phase five next year, after uh, wakanda forever, and then somehow we'll get to phase six at 2024.
Speaker 2:Can I be honest After in-game I've kind of like not necessarily found my footing in the ncu sense.
Speaker 1:I don't think marvel's found its footing.
Speaker 2:Okay, so so phase four has mostly been the disney plus series. Yeah, sandwiched between these movies, yeah, it's not really it's.
Speaker 1:It's it's where everything's not really connected. People are going on their own adventures, we're introducing new characters, it's. It's kind of like phase one, where it's like here's all these heroes and then we're going to start connecting them, maybe in phase five, I guess, or something.
Speaker 2:So so just just an illusion. It's mickey mouse during the first few phases up to in-game was on a unicycle juggling comfortably, and now we keep tossing them superheroes and he's like okay, guys, this is getting stupid.
Speaker 3:Have you got? So many superheroes in that bad man.
Speaker 2:He's dropped captain america. He's possibly dropped Thor at this point.
Speaker 1:Mickey, we just bought the x-men.
Speaker 2:So okay, well, I mean so and that's the thing. Right now there's all this talk around it. I mean there's even now like I've read that and again it's all rumor, and that's why this is fun to just kind of dive into. That's because we don't have any definitive information, so something we can really fantasy pass. But I've heard that dr Doe might be the Villain in Wakanda forever, like you know, like one of the villains.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that might be the eye.
Speaker 2:You know, like uh, two, eventually, the four being uh revealed or, you know, at least having a purpose. So we're just gonna take the top, mainly the five characters associated with the fantastic four, which is obviously the fantastic one, two, three, four, and then their most famous villain, dr Victor von Doe, which I have not real familiar with the comic books. Is he actually a doctor or did it just sound cool? I thought he was like a ruler of some kingdom.
Speaker 1:I don't know where the medical Advanced degree that comes in so the, so the half-assed research that I did and just general knowledge I have over the years of people just shoving hey, this marvel thing might be leading to this and galactus and dr Doom and yada, but he, yeah, he's the leader of Latvia, is it Latvia? Is that correct? Am I just making?
Speaker 3:it sound right. Yeah, Latvia Right.
Speaker 1:I was like. I was like Latvia is real. Yeah, latveria, we'll say that, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's just a doctor, like Reed Richards is a doctor, like they were just buddies once and now they're he's a. Okay, so let me just paint the picture.
Speaker 3:He's an extra D.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's super smart he's, he's his, his, his, uh. Rivalry with Reed Richards, mr Fantastic, is all based around. They're intellect and, like them, trying to outmaneuver one another. He's jealous of Reed Richards because he's always kind of one-upping him a little bit, yeah, but he's also just kind of this, like he's almost like a Batman if Batman had gone rogue and also learned magic and all this stuff. Because he's like seen as like this perfect human being, like he's very vain and so like the reason he has the mask, because he has a scar. He's a scarred face and they allude to that. It might even just be like a small scar and it's, but he's just so vain that he's like, nope, no one's gonna see my face. He's the ruler of his country and he's loyal to them. He's trying to help make lift it up but at the same time has his own like personal vendetta against Reed Richards and his own goals and stuff.
Speaker 2:So it's just like triple H right now. Okay yeah yeah, bear, all right, that's all you have to say. Nick was, he's like triple H.
Speaker 1:He's triple H, you see. Okay, I will use wrestling metaphors from now on, I'll see.
Speaker 2:All right. So the way we're going to do this is we're just going to take each of these one by one. We'll just kind of pitch you we all think would be the best suited person. It's not going to be like a traditional episode of Quantum Recast. We're not going to try to like definitively like find one Maybe. Maybe we'll see how things pair up as actors come out and see where we land. But before we each give our casting, I'll probably give a little bit of a who's. What are the names surrounding? Whether they're actual, real rumors or what people want.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So let's start with Reed Richards, aka Mr Fantastic. A lot of the names surrounding this is obvious, so we've already seen John Krasinski wearing the suit in spoiler. Sam Raimi's a multiverse of madness, I feel like 2022 rules is. If it's streaming, you should have seen it by now. It's just spoilers.
Speaker 1:That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2:And that was more of Raimi, almost like riffing on fan casting, I think to tease it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think yeah pretty much I even came out was just like yeah, the fans wanted it, so we just gave it to him and you're like OK 10 seconds, and then we took it from them and laugh.
Speaker 2:And so I did a pin badge Lee, who's famously on the Netflix show you right now playing a serial killer. And then, obviously, one of our beloved actors, john Cho, is up for the role, even though I believe.
Speaker 1:I didn't know John was up for it. That's kind of exciting.
Speaker 2:It's like it's a name that's floating around, though I think he's famous anti superhero movie. I think he calls it indentured servitude, like to be tied to movies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. So, Tanner, let's start with you. Who do you see playing?
Speaker 3:Mr Fantastic. So it's interesting because he's obviously supposed to be, you know, a super smart professor, but also he's the oldest one out of the group. I think like him and Ben Grimes are kind of like old buddies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, him and Ben Grimes went to college together.
Speaker 3:Yeah back in the days. So, like that's, I'm trying to play someone that's a little bit older than like my other cast. So, like the person that I really thought of was, visually, I thought Adam Brody was really cool. I thought like Adam. Brody was interesting like interesting read Richard's like him, or who is this other? Oh, Misha Collins was also one that I really liked. It's from Supernatural.
Speaker 2:Did you say Adrian Brody or Adam Brody? Adam Brody, you said Adam Brody. So, like the guy from the OC. Yeah, wow I thought you said I was like picture an Adrian Brody the whole time and I was going to tell you I generally hate Adrian Brody but then when he, when he showed up on succession, I kind of became a fan. Adam Brody, that's actually pretty inspired. Like 10 years ago he would have been.
Speaker 3:Johnny Storm yeah, but like I don't know, right Wow. I think that's also the difficult thing for me is to me read Richard's is just like a more succinct cling cut Johnny Storm. So it's difficult for me to like pick someone that couldn't play both at one point or another.
Speaker 1:What I read about re Richard was that his, his, his personality description was that he's intelligent, calm and detached. So it's it's almost like he's so smart that he has some social Issues. It's almost like a Zuckerberg kind of situation where, like he still he cares very deeply for his team and his wife and brother in law and all them, but like sometimes his love and just deep diving into science and stuff, he just gets so zeroed in a tunnel vision about it that Right, and it's and it's. And he's also a big picture thinker. So that's why, like, he shows up on groups like the Illuminati, because he's thinking, ok, yeah, we have to kill every Doctor Strange so that all the universes don't get destroyed, even though it's like you killed every Doctor Strange in the universes. You know Right Well, nick, who do you have?
Speaker 2:You know, I didn't know John Cho was up for it again.
Speaker 1:I was sitting there thinking anybody in their fifties might be too old. Some names that came up in my head yeah, speaking of John Cho, though, another name that came up for me was Steve Steven Yoon, because he's 41. And I feel like he can kind of play that intelligence, but also like a little bit of the detachment and calm and just a little, a little eccentric in ways. Him and Riz Ahmed from from Rogue One and Sound of Metal. Yeah, sound of Metal, that's what I was thinking, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I was thinking a little bit of his character from Rogue One, where he's just kind of he's kind of all over the place and he's scatterbrained a bit, but like you just replace that with science jargon, he's like, yeah, and you're like great read, read, focus, focus. But the person I'm going to stick with at this in this moment for my pick is I'm just going to go. I'm going to go Steven Yoon, I'm going to pick him. Yeah, that's mine.
Speaker 2:Ok, all right, I just just for the sake of being the fun guy on the podcast I wrote down and because I would love to see it, because it's against type, but I think when he gets his powers it's going to be a lot of fun. I want Matthew McConaughey to play an intellectual scientist who gets. I think it's going to be super fun. Whatever his arm stretches, he's going to be like whoa.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's played intelligent individuals before.
Speaker 2:He's interstellar, obviously yeah interstellar.
Speaker 1:I mean even Rusty Cole from True Detective.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's smart and that also has. That has a lot of aspects of like not knowing how to act as a human, like publicly like.
Speaker 1:And that's a big name. So if they're, if they're wanting to be like, hey, here's a guy that we can trust. He's been in big movies. He's been in. He's an Academy Award winner. We know he's going to. He's going to deliver, at least be charismatic to an extent.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure, all right, like moving on. Ok, sue Storm. Invisible Woman the popular rumors and stuff going around, that is obviously Mrs Krasinski, emily Blunt, and I've seen Jodie Comer's name now pop up and she's from.
Speaker 1:Killing.
Speaker 2:Eve.
Speaker 1:Yeah, coming up on the that big D23 weekend, they were really it was like oh, she's definitely, they're talking with her, they're in talks and nothing happened.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I think my, my person, I I really thought on a day armist would be fun here. I thought like she would make a really fun to storm.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna go and say Tanner Tanner picked mine that I'm also very sold on on. A day arm is super.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's, I mean it makes sense because Blond's about to come out. It's she's getting a lot of buzz for like Oscar stuff a little bit. I mean she and she's also she's a sex icon. I mean that's just what she is right now, but she's, she's been in a lot of successful movies, so she's a bankable star. She's very like, has a strong personality.
Speaker 3:The only other such a presence on screen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I thought she did incredible. It's just yeah, yeah, performance, that's just amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the person. So the person that made my shortlist. I thought of Vanessa Kirby. She's been in a couple of the other mission impossible movies but she was recently in a movie where she got nominated for with the one with Shia LaBeouf when she was called. She's been in the crown as well. People will probably know her from that. But she was in a movie called pieces of a woman, where Oscar nomination. But she, you know, she's the blonde hair, the blue light eyes, she's got the look, but she also has a presence to her and I, you know, sue Storm is described. If Ben Groom is kind of the heart of the team, she's like the soul of it and kind of keeps everybody together a lot of the time, like like in a, in a more like motherly fashion. But yeah, she's warm and caring and responsible, but she also, okay, a very powerful individual.
Speaker 2:I know her from Hobbs and Shaw she plays.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, one of their sisters. Yeah, she did really good.
Speaker 2:Yes, she has a very piercing look.
Speaker 1:Just leave pictures of her.
Speaker 2:I feel like she's just staring into my soul.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, like I feel like when you get into those, whether it's a dramatic scene or whether it's like a big action scene, like she's gonna deliver that and yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, which means we have to go to her younger brother, johnny Storm. The human torch, already famously played by Captain America for sevens, for some reason does pop up on people's lists. I don't know if that's a multiverse thing or just.
Speaker 3:Captain America or what, but he just played it so well. I think it's like so good that like people have trouble Finding someone else.
Speaker 2:The only names I can realistically find is that Joe Keery, and I know I don't know anything about him other than stranger things. Yeah, I would be more aware of him Is the only name I ever see rumored and then obviously super fun. And then Zach Efron is like I think the fan thing. People are like it's the Krasinski.
Speaker 3:Oh, interesting for yeah, Efron.
Speaker 2:So and those are like two names are really even sort of fine attached to that one.
Speaker 3:I mean, I really I didn't even think about Joe Keery, but I love that idea. He's. He's so fun, just like on screen. He's so fun.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, it would be he. When he did that pizza hut commercial where he's basically acting like Ferris Bueller, you're kind of like, yeah, this dude could, could do it, like it would work. But yeah, he's, I mean he's, he's got the big franchise. Now that's coming to an end probably at that point. So he'll, he'll be a big name, and this it was would be his big jump to like movies too. So it's another chance to go. Here's somebody you like. Here's their shot to be bigger.
Speaker 2:They haven't done anything other than yeah, and it shed the whole stranger things not casting thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, did you guys have anybody else?
Speaker 2:I. I actually came up with two names, kind of the same thing, not nearly as popular as stranger things, but I honestly thought Zolo uh Maraduania, who is currently on Cobra Kai, he's the lead.
Speaker 2:Oh, so little yeah, yeah on, yeah, sholo Maraduania, and so he does really good. He at the same time can play that, I think, really cocky. He's more of the face of Cobra Kai than the heel, but yeah, it's kind of like every season if it's like you know. But I honestly also thought Human torch, that's a role kind of worth gender swapping, because someone like with long hair, a girl with long hair, like the CGI of the fire and stuff, that's just going to even look better.
Speaker 1:You know that's true. That would be fun I kind of thought.
Speaker 2:Isabella Gomez, who she's from a sitcom called One Day. At a Time that just kind of went off there, and now she's on an HBO Max show called Head of the Class. She's oh yeah. She's very charismatic as well and I thought that would be a lot of fun. She's like high energy, like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that could be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:So, like I just you know, and Chris Evans obviously was a very high energy betrayal of it, and so she would be a good If you wanted to genderbend it. I think that'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Is that your pick? Yeah, I mean either one of those.
Speaker 2:I think would be a lot of fun yeah you know, but yeah.
Speaker 3:OK like the only. The only other name that I had come up was, like it's really difficult to find someone that's not already a superhero in some way, or another yes.
Speaker 1:Going through the list, you're like, ok, you're like Marvel Iron man, and you're like dammit the guy that.
Speaker 3:I thought would be really fun is he's like an X-man in other things. But yeah, lucas Till, I thought would be a very fun. Johnny Storm, he was in like MacGyver, he was Havoc in like X-men, first class.
Speaker 1:The apocalypse. Oh, ok, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he did like the MacGyver series and stuff like that. He's very fun. He can play kind of like that, like like smirking, like kind of dickish, like playboy guy. I think that's very fun.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you brought it out, though, because it is that thing where, like, when you're going through this, even people that had been in the pre-MCU X-men like in like movies. I don't know if they're still tied to that. No, I don't know. These guys are getting. You should, like everyone's played a superhero. I almost made a list of people who, like are against superhero movies. I almost made Leo like yeah, yeah, yeah and Timothy. Chalamet, johnny Storms, like you guys have to do this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like at that point, like because you know, like because, yeah, now it's if you haven't taken a firm stance on it to say like no, I'm not doing it, you've done it you know what I mean? Yeah, because like Adam Brody is like a superhero in what is it? The Shazam. He's like one of the Shazams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, but that's DC and that's OK. Like you can play in DC, you can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can jump around. I got one name for you. I got one name for you and I think and I feel pretty, pretty good about it is Glenn Powell. If you know his, you may not know the name, he's fine. Yeah, he's, basically he's in the new Top Gun movie that came out this year and he's basically the ice man of this movie yeah, he's really cocky pilot.
Speaker 1:I and I was rewatching clips today and I was just like this dude would just knock it out of the park. I feel like he especially if, like our, if our people are, if invisible women's in her 30, late 30s or 40s and fantastics in his 40s Like, yeah, he can play the young cocky dude.
Speaker 2:Sure, no, that's a really good one.
Speaker 1:If someone is really solid.
Speaker 2:If someone had told me I was older than Glenn Powell today, I would have said no way.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I was like he's 33. What, I guess, at least?
Speaker 3:40. Yeah, he really plays that Especially. He's just top gun, he comes across.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he has that Chris Evans energy about him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's pretty fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a really good one.
Speaker 2:Ok, all right. So now we got to go to the heart of Fantastic Four, ben Grimm. The thing this one's again I think it's got the weirdest casting rumors kind of researching around it. I mean there's obviously people are throwing John Cena out at out because he's obviously doing well, yeah, he's maker and his chops are coming out again, he's huge so right.
Speaker 2:And he's just. He was the face like the make a wish kid foundation for years. So, yeah, kind of fits that. And then, obviously, like Seth Rogen and Jason Segal, keep getting tossed around and you're just like, please, oh no. Seth Rogen for a minute was like almost confirmed.
Speaker 3:It was like part of that D23 thing, like they were like yeah, this is the thing, and you're like super glad that D23 went silent.
Speaker 2:You're like, ok, someone said let's hold up. You know that's wild.
Speaker 1:The most. I think the most important part is not the most important, but I think one that jokingly most important thing when I was sitting there thinking of casting was like who can deliver its clobbering time without me cringing and just going like, yeah, ok, that works.
Speaker 3:This was. I didn't even think twice about this one, like I was like there's really only one person right now that I can see doing this. Ok, but who did you have, nick?
Speaker 1:I picked so so so I was trying to think, ok, maybe character actor and we don't have to play on him being like a hulking person in human form or like a tough New Yorker guy. But that's kind of who he is. He grew up in New York, he was, he lost his parents, lived with his uncle, became a football player star. That's how he gets in college and meets Read. But you could change that, obviously, but I was trying to stick a little true to the comic. I ended up with Brian Tyree Henry from Atlanta and Bullet Train.
Speaker 3:I think that he.
Speaker 1:I think that he could play that line between fun and and serious and and just really and really. Just Nailed that role, I think yeah, who did you say you? Cut out Brian Tyree, henry, he's in Atlanta. He's paperboy in Atlanta.
Speaker 3:Okay, train now. Yeah, he'd be, good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, tanner, what'd you say? You said, you had one name that you did.
Speaker 3:I live I. I just thought about it and I was like, if it's not Dave Bautista, I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1:He's like that he's dry. That's the problem, Obviously he's dressed.
Speaker 3:But that's the problem is like he's the best, he is the best choice. Like David, he's, that is the perfect choice.
Speaker 1:It's, it's the same problem. It's like John Cena would be great, but it's like, okay, but he's this other superhero, david.
Speaker 3:He's literally this other. Yeah, yeah, but see, isn't he see? So he could get away with it.
Speaker 1:But I still think that they might.
Speaker 3:That might come into consideration like I'm sure there's some type of contractual obligation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I probably wrote it in there like and you can't, you can't do, you can't do a Marvel thing now right, but it's also a TV show and it's a minor character, but it just became popular.
Speaker 2:Whatever scene is like, I'm from wrestling. I know that these no compete clauses and contracts are not cannot hold up in court, so yeah just bullshit whatever. Okay, so I brought up I think it's yaya Abdul Mateen three, yeah, the third because yeah.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, what I think. I think what actually, like Ben Grimm, the thing needs. I think it actually needs one of those actors that's too good for a superhero movie because he has to be all hard. It actually needs one of these actors that's just like purely thespian and I know that he played like black black man or whatever in the man or whatever, but I dude anytime I watch a movie with him, like ambulance or Candyman. It's like that this dude's chops are huge and you just feel for this, yeah.
Speaker 1:Everything he's in is good and and you keep wanting, you keep thinking that that movie is gonna be the thing that really, like shoots him off, like whether it's the Matrix movie where it plays the new version of Morpheus, sandman or not, same in a we just said it, you just said it. Candyman, like it just seems like he. Or watch men when he plays dr Manhattan. You're like, yeah, this is gonna be the thing and then, like he doesn't quite take off.
Speaker 3:So yeah, yeah, this could be. Just it could be it. It's just so interesting to watch him because, like he just keeps moving laterally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, exactly, that's the word. Yeah, never really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's fascinating to watch, but well, I think that's a really good idea.
Speaker 2:It's, I don't know. There seems to be like you know, it's a weird conversation for another time that I think we can think about, but I just seems to be like this class of black actors right now that are all moving laterally for whatever reason they're not hitting with, like like who's our next, will Smith, you know who's our next? Like guy that's gonna break through this barrier, like Keith Stamfield's moving laterally, leslie Odom Jr's moving laterally. It's like you're like. You're like dude, these are heavy players, these are dudes that should be like the future of all this and it's. But then again, that just may be like they're like more interested in these roles at the same time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Um a lot of people do you want to avoid these franchises, so I get it. No one's gonna say see him punk, so we're just moving on.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying Nick brought up its clobbering time. He says it every night. So I'm just, you know whatever. Okay, the impunks a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1:So I think when he comes out. Yeah, he says that he checks his watch and then stands as a clobbering time every time he comes out.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, all right. That brings us to our final Casting, which is usually the most interesting part of a superhero movie. Is your villain? So we have our doctor, victor Bondo. There's again. The main Casting was around. This is anything from the very like push-aid Esposito, who just plays, please, please, yeah. It's like, bro, you got a new mark, he's the new Mark Strong.
Speaker 1:It's just like we need a villain Mark Strong is around as Sposito's here. He's like God, yeah, he's. He's also rumored for professor X and I kind of hope he gets that just so he doesn't do villains.
Speaker 2:That would be good. That'd be good, I would like to see him as professor X oh yeah, 100% yeah and then the big three are John Hamm, adam driver and Henry Cavill have all had their name tossed around, and Adam driver is great, but it's like it's Kylo Ren, it's we've done it, so yeah.
Speaker 3:So no one's put Brendan Fraser on a list, then I.
Speaker 1:Did not know, but no, that's, it's, no, but that's, it's, that's possible.
Speaker 3:I would love that.
Speaker 2:I would do. Maybe didn't get him in the Batgirl movie. So true, yeah, give me something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I say safe here. I stay safe here with the Cavill just because, after reading about Dr Doom and kind of his backstory and about him being this kind of perfectionist and like this he's basically like evil Batman to an extent where he's like he's a physical form, super intelligent I was just like I was like Cavill can kind of do that and he's got a bit and he's got a large presence literally to himself and also a deeper voice that you get a lot of in like the Witcher. So like him, monologue and stuff's gonna work really well. I think the biggest thing is like the mask. He's gonna have to wear the mask or like they're gonna have to work around that somehow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, they do it pretty well in Marvel though, right, because like Chris Pratt that character, you know, he does have a mask and like he uses it all the time, but they do pretty well about not having it on him for very long.
Speaker 1:I think it's just different here because it's tied to like a bit of his character, in the sense of like he wears the mask because he has a scarred face and he won't let his face be seen because he's vain.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing which I mean. Like again, marvel's been very creative in getting around the comic book lore and making things interesting.
Speaker 2:I know that like certain aspects of Dr Doomer, certain iterations of him, like the mask is actually fused to his face, like you put it on while it's time and let it fuse or something. But like I honestly think Marvel might go the OG fantastic war route, like where the guy from Nip Tuck played him, where he's actually almost CEO type of villain, Dr Von Doom. It wouldn't shock me if they went that route. They seem to like that route a lot and that also allows an actor to be an actor, rather than they covered so much stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, behind the mask.
Speaker 2:I still haven't watched Nope, but you guys really said, michael Winkott did really good.
Speaker 3:That's incredible. Michael Winkott would be fucking awesome.
Speaker 2:The voice. His voice is amazing and he does. He's just my favorite part of the crow. He's like one of my favorite villains because of the crow and I just I don't know, I'm like Michael Winkott might be my Dr Doom how old is he, though he's old. But again, he's mostly gonna be, you know, but I don't know.
Speaker 3:And again, Marvel's gonna rewrite the comics as they see fit, so like you could easily make him a little bit older and you could have him even. Even if you went older, marvel could easily write it to be like Reed Richards took over like the smartest guy in the universe like from him you know like, and that's why he's pissed at him.
Speaker 2:I think the only the other two names that are interesting is just mainly Joel Edgerton, because he's one of the big names that hasn't stepped into MCU. I don't know if this would be right, but I think Silly and Murphy or whatever. I don't know how he's going to come out in Oppenheimer, but if he does incredible in Oppenheimer it might just lead this path to being Dr Doom, to being I think he would be super fun too.
Speaker 3:I think that's a really good.
Speaker 2:Essentially does something horrific. So I mean, I don't know that, Tanner, did you give us one?
Speaker 3:No, I didn't. I didn't really find anyone that like I was super locked on to. I thought like I thought like Edward Norton would be fun, but like I don't know, and then like I had a very fun moment where I was like I know he does a lot of comedy, but Andre Brower would be really fun like the police chief from Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's got a good voice.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's not bad, that's not bad.
Speaker 3:He does a lot of comedy, so I don't know how he would do in like action-y stuff, like at least I haven't seen a lot of action-y stuff from him. But I think he would be really fun. Like he's got a good voice, he's got a good presence. Even in Brooklyn Nine-Nine he's got a heavy presence.
Speaker 1:So the other names I've heard of that have been brought up are for some reason, denzel Washington keeps getting brought up, which I don't know. Damn that's wild, I don't know if that might just be Internet rumors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that just sounds like something we would think of on our show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they've also brought up Javier Bardem and he's actually been rumored, because there was something I was reading about how they're trying to change Latveria to being a Mediterranean country, like a coastal country, and the rumor is like oh, Dr Doom in that country is tied to Namor and the Atlantis world and Mayan world and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:So, javier Bardem, I would also be really fun here.
Speaker 2:That would be good, okay, and just to wrap up, I'll say it Nicholas Cage, is it time for him to come into?
Speaker 3:the MCU and play around with everyone.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yeah, and would an ego maniacal vein like the.
Speaker 3:That'd be super, super fun. It would just be insane. There's no way to help, but it'd be really fun.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, it would be fun.
Speaker 1:All right, so I'll say it Do you guys want to? Do you guys want to like? Just give each of our like actual list.
Speaker 2:To wrap it up, so I mean sure I can do that. I'll start Like my list is Matthew McConaughey as Reed Richards and a DeAr Misses Sue Storm. I'll even just go with the gender bin here and put Isabella Gomez as Human Torch, and then Yaya Abdul-Mateen, the third, as Ben Grim the Thing. And then I think that I'll just go ahead and say if Disney's giving me the call and giving me the money and let me pick, dude, it's Denzel Washington, the second, you said it. I'm walking in Like yeah, okay, if I wanted to have a gravitas and he's my like phase six villain, it's Denzel. If it's maybe not that level, then I'll just be fun and say Nick Cage, like let him in the sandbox and just go wild, like you know that'd be my list.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I think I'm going to stick with Steve Yuen for Reed Richards, and then Vanessa Kirby for Sue Storm, glenn Powell for Johnny Storm, brian Tyree Henry for Ben Grim, and I'm just going to play it safe with Henry Cavill as Dr Doom.
Speaker 3:Okay, I have to remember who all I said.
Speaker 2:So you got to write this down, because when this gets, like I had.
Speaker 3:I had the tabs open and then, as we said, I might closed out the tabs and then I'm like, fuck, okay, fuck, where are my tabs? Um, let's see Reed Richards. I had Adam Brody, yeah.
Speaker 2:We both had Anna Day Armist I had Anna Day Armist for Johnny Storm.
Speaker 3:I had Till Lucas Till. So that's right, my Johnny Storm is Lucas Till, my Ben Grim is Dave Bootsy stuff, and then my Dr Doom is Andre Brower.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, I like it, I like it. So I think the fun thing to do is when they eventually release this. We'll just see if any of us got any of this right.
Speaker 3:I'm the the long shot. Oh yeah, you, I think, out of all these on the long shot.
Speaker 2:I think Nick's the safest. You're the long shot. I'm somewhere in the middle Like I might get one of these. I definitely don't think Matthew McConaughey is going to get Reed Richards. I love it though it would be amazing.
Speaker 1:So you have you have Matthew McConaughey and Nicholas Cage potentially going at each other.
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