What if '3:10 to Yuma' was recast in 1976?
Ever wondered how the dusty trails and lawless landscapes of a Western classic like "3:10 to Yuma" would fare against the disco-drenched backdrop of 1976? Saddle up with Cory, Nick, and Aly as they reimagine this modernized western in an era of auteurs and gritty, harsh truths. We're deep-diving into a decade of film that was ripe for a different kind of outlaw—an examination of the Western genre through the lens of a transformative year in cinema.
From the cultural shockwaves of "All the President's Men" to the underdog story that punched its way to our hearts in "Rocky," we draw parallels, conjure up hypotheticals, and highlight the performances that defined 1976. Our journey through the tumbleweeds isn't just about casting cowboys and gun-slinging galas; it's a salute to the icons of an era and the stories they told.
So grab your Stetson and join us for a ride through the old West, reimagined through the gritty prism of the '70s—it's an episode that promises no ghostbusting, but plenty of spurs and speculation.
(00:01:00)Intro
(00:02:34) About the Movie
(00:07:00)Useless Critic Stats
(00:20:41)1976 Box Office
(00:23:22)Oscars
(00:24:16)Other Notable Films
(00:30:12)Rules
(00:33:18)30 Seconds or Less Casting
MAIN CAST:
(00:40:09) Alice Evans
(00:45:09) Butterfield
(00:54:02) Charlie Prince
(01:03:38) William Evans
(01:13:35) Dan Evans
(01:25:06) Ben Wade
(01:37:06)Final Cast
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Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
What if '3:10 to Yuma' was recast in 1976?
Ever wondered how the dusty trails and lawless landscapes of a Western classic like "3:10 to Yuma" would fare against the disco-drenched backdrop of 1976? Saddle up with Cory, Nick, and Aly as they reimagine this modernized western in an era of auteurs and gritty, harsh truths. We're deep-diving into a decade of film that was ripe for a different kind of outlaw—an examination of the Western genre through the lens of a transformative year in cinema.
From the cultural shockwaves of "All the President's Men" to the underdog story that punched its way to our hearts in "Rocky," we draw parallels, conjure up hypotheticals, and highlight the performances that defined 1976. Our journey through the tumbleweeds isn't just about casting cowboys and gun-slinging galas; it's a salute to the icons of an era and the stories they told.
So grab your Stetson and join us for a ride through the old West, reimagined through the gritty prism of the '70s—it's an episode that promises no ghostbusting, but plenty of spurs and speculation.
(00:01:00)Intro
(00:02:34) About the Movie
(00:07:00)Useless Critic Stats
(00:20:41)1976 Box Office
(00:23:22)Oscars
(00:24:16)Other Notable Films
(00:30:12)Rules
(00:33:18)30 Seconds or Less Casting
MAIN CAST:
(00:40:09) Alice Evans
(00:45:09) Butterfield
(00:54:02) Charlie Prince
(01:03:38) William Evans
(01:13:35) Dan Evans
(01:25:06) Ben Wade
(01:37:06)Final Cast
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
Featured Music:
"Quantum Recast Theme" - Cory Williams
"Charmer" - Coat
"Revival" - Daniele Musto
"Pukka" - Bellodrone
"Kings and Queens" - Wicked Cinema
"Kiss the Cat" - Al Town
"Birdcage" - Al Town
"Passenger" - Abloom
*Music and licenses through Soundstripe
2007.
Speaker 3:Welcome with me, for you can't so, boys, very headed, taking you to 310, to you.
Speaker 4:Welcome to another episode of quantum recast. I'm your host, corey, and joining me are my two co-hosts, nick and Ali. Hello, I'm what's called you Allison. That's okay, I feel like that's what we do in your trouble.
Speaker 5:Well, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 4:So, um, yeah, hey. So if this is your first time here, Well, you probably clicked on a movie title in a year. That makes no sense, that's true, so because that's what we do here.
Speaker 4:We take movies, beloved movies, sometimes our favorite, sometimes universally beloved movies, sometimes called classics. Whatever is our podcast, we do whatever we want, that's right. And we take it out of its original release here and we drop it into a new release here because we want to envision what that movie would look like they did come out in a different year. Hmm, especially the cast.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 4:Quantum recast, recast 310 to Yuma the 2007 version. That's right. We're taking that all the way back to 1976. Mm-hmm, just be warned. We know that the 70s are precious to a lot of cinephiles out there. I don't know that describes any of us, so we might hurt some things. We don't care, corey. Nope, we don't care about your feelings about your feelings.
Speaker 2:Do what we want.
Speaker 1:Eight and a half and cry.
Speaker 4:But before we dive too deep, we are on all the social medias including tick-tock for now, for now I try to get this heirs tick-tock. Over but hey, we're there and we're on all the other ones. So I'm engaged with us. Tell us what you think, tell us what we went wrong. I was that I'm recast like Ghostbusters more than Ghostbusters 2. For some dumb reason I we I lost that.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think, I'm the one vote. Are you the only vote?
Speaker 4:I voted so if that 18% is just the one vote, maybe.
Speaker 2:Maybe the listeners can be convinced by you on our mini. So that's out now.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, please, please, go listen to that and re-vote so. But before we recast this movie, we have to look at the movie itself, and then we also have to explore the year, that is, 1976. Yes, that's a good feel for both of these things. Three ten to Yuma release September 7th 2007. There is a 1957 version, correct? That's correct, all right, this version was directed by James Mangold. Nick, you're the director. Yeah, I mean not the director of the episode, but you're the directed minded guy.
Speaker 2:What else is this guy done? Well, cory, he's done such things as Logan the.
Speaker 4:X-Men, wolverine, huge Marvel western, got it.
Speaker 2:He also did walk the line, the bio western, basically the music western the Ford versus Ferrari.
Speaker 4:Okay, I'm not really a car western car western
Speaker 2:sure, sure and Indiana Jones and the dial of destiny, which was really directed by Disney. Let's be honest.
Speaker 5:Yeah, let's be real.
Speaker 2:Those are the main ones anyway.
Speaker 4:I guess Ford versus Ferrari could be like a spaghetti Western kind of Ferrari.
Speaker 5:It's French or Italian? Yeah, it's Italian. It's Italian. Okay, yeah, we're fine.
Speaker 4:So James Mangold he's. He likes westerns Directed. This was written by, or it's based off of, a story Dime Western magazine by Elmore Leonard.
Speaker 2:That's right. Wait, elmore Leonard wrote this. Yeah, you lie. That's what it said. Wow, unless the internet's lying to us, it's lying to you. That doesn't lie, guys. It's all true, cory.
Speaker 4:You're right when Ford and Van Halpen wrote the 1937 version. This version that we're Playing with was written by three people Halstead Wells, michael Brant and Derek Haas.
Speaker 2:Yes, and Halstead Wells was a writer on the original 310 de Yuma. I guess there's enough of the original script in the movie that they felt they needed to give him a accreditation here.
Speaker 4:Okay, all right, I mean that's fair. Yeah, budget of 48 to 55 million? That's weird, so they just can't account for like eight million dollars. We forgot how much we paid.
Speaker 2:Crow Made 71.2, so not necessarily I mean not a failure, but not necessarily like right massive, massive for sure, it was the number one opening weekend, though, so May 14 million which is pretty, pretty good in September, because it came out September. For some reason.
Speaker 4:For some reason people just stop going to the movies. It was coming it was competing with the horror movies of 2007.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:One missed call, final destination, three or something.
Speaker 4:But nominated for two Academy Awards. None of the big ones, those ones they hand out in the middle best original score and best sound mixing.
Speaker 2:And then got best cast and it was nominated for best cast.
Speaker 4:Yeah, At this at the SAG Awards got nominated for best cast that's true, who did loose to geez?
Speaker 2:no idea, but this is a pretty solid cast. I'll have to look that up real quick yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I'm gonna move on and you tell me what cast in 2007 was it lost to no country for old men, by the way, that was.
Speaker 2:That was who it lost to. So this was in that era where there was a lot, of, a lot of.
Speaker 4:Wow, so it wasn't even the best Western. Yeah, it's a Western and neo-western. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think. I still think this is the better cast. I mean, javier Bardem killed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was Tommy Lee Jones and you got Thanos. That's three. But what a hero.
Speaker 4:So the hero, son, okay okay, let's say this you got Javier and Brolin. Yeah, and then you have half Jones half. What do you?
Speaker 2:know. Yeah, I don't get a whole. You don't get a big sample right either of them. That seems like a. It was up against American gangster hairspray and into the wild. I still feel like it should have topped all of them into the wild.
Speaker 4:Who's the cast? A meal, hirsch. It's about a kid that goes, runs away from home and dies in Alaska.
Speaker 2:It's all these people have like one scene.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, he meets.
Speaker 2:Vince Vaughan. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Fun fact filmed in my hometown, All right yeah, that is not San Diego. That is not San Diego. No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:He's been lying her.
Speaker 5:Imperial Valley.
Speaker 2:Sorry, much, much less impressive made Corey look stupid on the internet.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, corey, I just wanted, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Well, you know what stop crying about the Rams or whoever it is?
Speaker 2:The Chargers.
Speaker 4:Chargers, chargers, corey, come on now the other, whatever blue and yellow team you're mad about not being insane. Stop crying about them. All right, back on track yes, yes, it's critic stats for the 2007 310.
Speaker 1:The Yuma IMDB gave it a 7.6 interesting run tomatoes and critic score of 89 and an audience score of 86. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Metacritic again. Don't know why they have a 100 and a 10 score, but 76 out of 100 and also 7.8 out of 10. Yep, letterbox average score of 3.7 stars All of our scores for on letterbox. I gave it a 4.5. Alley gave it a 4.5 and Nick gave it a perfect five stars.
Speaker 2:I did not to the rewatch, I bumped it up hey all right, we watch, got him the very rare five-star.
Speaker 4:All right, I love it. I love it. Roger Ebert, Out of four stars, gave it a perfect four stars.
Speaker 2:He did he gets.
Speaker 4:It says it restores the wounded heart of the Western rescue, set from the Brass of pointless violence. Here the quality of the acting and the thought behind the film make it seem like a vanguard of something new, even though it's a remake of a good movie, 50 years old. Hey, they made it exactly 50 years.
Speaker 2:You should appreciate it's pretty, pretty good. I like that. I like it. It's a good round number. It's pretty nice.
Speaker 4:Hey, the crow remakes come out this year and it's a perfect 94 oh well, good thing, the trailer doesn't. The trailer looks promising, it does, it does I'm ankles version is better still than the 1957 original because it has better actors with more thought behind their dialogue. It's what he's saying yeah, yeah yeah, in hard times Americans have often turned to the Western to reset their cup of Cessna. Very hard times it takes a very good Western and attend well to bin weights.
Speaker 2:Last words in this movie and who he says them to and why so somebody bothers up, is like well, he talks to Christian Bale's character at the end, before you know spoilers, he gets shot. But but somebody said well, actually in the script it says and he says and deep down, I'm not so bad that I can't see the virtue and righteous heroism. So, it seems like a bit was just on his like who raw like do the right thing, kind of like mentality right now loves heroes.
Speaker 4:He does. He loves a hero, loves a good hero.
Speaker 2:This was right up his alley. You know I was worried that some of the violence was gonna take him out of it, because you know he's, he's a stickler, he's, he's a Reagan era guy.
Speaker 4:He is. He doesn't like blood or guts.
Speaker 2:But he does remind me that this came out in, you know, 2007 and this was right in the middle of like the Post 9-11 Bush era.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, this is also.
Speaker 2:I mean you think about there will be blood, no country for old men that we've talked about. It's to the point where I think Jimmy Kimmel, who was hosting the Oscars that time, was like does Hollywood need a hug? It's like America needed a hug, jimmy.
Speaker 4:And what's wild is the dark nights about to just change cinema the next year to everything's dark and gritty and gross and then Iron.
Speaker 2:Man will make it even. We'll take that and go the other way and go no, it's gonna be happy and everyone's gonna make jokes and stuff.
Speaker 4:So Hollywood bipolar in a little bit yeah just pick your poison. Why did we pick three? To Neuma Nick.
Speaker 2:Because we love three ten to Yuma Corey it is. It's just a movie that's been on our list. It is yeah, it's.
Speaker 4:It's also this I love Like dual leads in a movie.
Speaker 2:That's fair.
Speaker 4:It's the it's the face off. It's just like we got a good face off out of this.
Speaker 2:You know it's all making sense now.
Speaker 4:It's just the Western face off. Only they don't switch faces, but it's just too, could you imagine a? List leading men Starting opposite each other. We're gonna get bail and crow again.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Did we? I'm gonna feel.
Speaker 2:Well they were in for four, but they never really talked to each other. Christian bills a quote-unquote God butcher in it. But that's because Takia Wattidi was a bad writer and unhinged at that time.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's true. Yeah, I agree with that. So that's I mean, that's the simple reason.
Speaker 2:I mean I think cuz you know it's one of the few modern Westerns that I really connected to, obviously, especially the second time through. But because a lot of them they either try to like be like the old Westerns or they try to be like where the new hip Western like there was, like that one with Usher and Ashton Kutcher that came on the early 2000s and the Texas.
Speaker 4:Rangers, you know what that weird like? Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, james Vanderbeek had one. It's like they tried to do it like a young guns revival.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like we get all the pretty guys in Hollywood right now, let's throw them in a Western, and I think this I don't know if this was the one that did it, but then they kind of went Okay, let's make our Westerns gritty and make them a little more little rough around the edges is probably around this time. I can't think of too many others like there's a Vigo Mortensen starring one that came out around this time as well, but there's just. It kind of started this era of like, okay, we're gonna make some gritty Westerns that appeal a little bit more to like the way the West really was kind of thing. So they had their. The Westerns had their own gritty reboot Corey. Everybody did.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Batman, james Bond.
Speaker 4:Westerns, you know, I the early 2000s. One didn't work.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 4:Freddie Prinze wasn't an idiot.
Speaker 2:I mean you're right yeah he's clear to the Westerns. He did, and so they just didn't. He wanted to make more Scooby-Doo movies, corey rightfully so.
Speaker 4:Scooby-doo's a winner.
Speaker 2:That's right. He's not a loser. He solves the mystery 30 minutes or less.
Speaker 4:But like. So I think the question is do let's go around the table? Do we love Westerns?
Speaker 5:Are you guys Westerns fans or All right, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna have a little confessional right here. So this is maybe the second or third Western I've ever seen ever. Yeah, I, I've seen the true grit remake. I've seen 310 to Yuma now and apparently and I don't know how much I agree with this, but yesterday at work I found out that the Revenant is considered to be a.
Speaker 2:Western. Yeah, it is, but it's, it's kind of it's weirdly, it isn't, it isn't yeah it doesn't have the typical tropes of like a Western frontier.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's what I like. It's like the new frontier and all that stuff.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but yeah, I, just if I'm being honest, I never really had a true interest in watching Westerns, but after seeing 310 to Yuma I'm willing to give it. You know, give them another shot. But yeah, I, there are very few, very, very few Westerns I've seen, but yeah, well, you boy knit growing up.
Speaker 2:I'm curious here oh goodness there were there. When it came to live action movies, guys, there was only a few options on the table and when dad had the remote or the VCR player, more or less it was gonna be a John Wayne movie. So I grew up watching many, many John Wayne movies, so I'm deeply entrenched in some Westerns now. I granted that was when I was like 10 or younger, so a lot of them I don't remember as well, but that was mostly. What I watched was a lot of John Wayne and it's that's a hard conversation to have with your father who idolizes John Wayne. That John Wayne's kind of a dirtbag, racist piece of crap. But we're not gonna have that conversation yet. It's not time. I don't think it'll ever be a time, corey.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I say all that you know, like yeah, they were fine, they were fine. I can appreciate them for sure. I think that's why I liked the modern, more modern Westerns is because they're just more aesthetically in my range of like what I enjoy for sure.
Speaker 5:That makes sense I.
Speaker 4:Don't love Westerns.
Speaker 2:It's hard, it's hard.
Speaker 4:It's.
Speaker 1:I don't know I.
Speaker 4:I feel like I don't have necessarily your experience where they were on in my house a lot, because my dad didn't really like movies. Like they just it wasn't like movies were a thing in my home outside of me yeah and so, but like I had a grandfather and some uncles that were like they had every Louis Lamour a book in the world and they idolized Westerns in that, like we, I have a great uncle who's like a renowned cowboy poet in Oklahoma and it's like he's very like into like tracing the family tree back. Or if you go to like my great-grandfather side, it's like all lawmen you know okay, we're all sheriffs, yeah.
Speaker 4:And then his, you know his grandmother, you know my great-grandma, her side went to like native you know, and so he like, likes to write on this whole cowboy the Indian, like bloodline he has that we come from and which is, I'm sure, who knows how much of he just makes up for poetry. But still, like, I feel like I grew up around it in the cowboy hats and the boots and stuff and I didn't, I thought it was kind of yeah, I feel like we just kind of grew up around it.
Speaker 2:Cory, like in Oklahoma there's, you know, either like you're, like me, that kind of grew up on a farm for the first 10 years, or your friends or people that their parents or families have owned ranches for years or decades and so, like cowboy culture is, it's just kind of Western culture. There's always kind of just been around us. So I feel like we're very close to it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean it's, it's interesting. I think it's just growing up around like uncles and again, grandparents that wore the cowboy hats and the boots, and then you also like see this stuff, though, and you and you're like well, you're not a cowboy, you don't, you don't have a six-shooter and you don't go to saloon, and I've never seen you on a horse.
Speaker 4:It's that type of thing, and so it's just kind of like this is more of an aesthetic thing. I mean, you grow up and you realize like, oh no, it's just part of, like, the history of this area, I guess, whatever. Yeah, obviously, being Oklahoma we're, you know we have an actual, like more clear picture of the Native American experience and it's honestly tragic story right when we were in school they taught us that. Now I don't know what they do, so I'm pretty sure Oklahoma is trying to erase that from books.
Speaker 2:So I think that's kind of the divide of move of Westerns is like we, like you were talking about, we enjoy movies that have a more Multi-layered characters and maybe they're broken figures and our dads and grandads and anybody that, like the old Westerns, they wanted the white hair white-headed cowboy, white, white, white-headed cowboy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I think that's why I like through to new melott. Obviously, christian Bales character, dan Evans, is a broken character.
Speaker 2:Clever.
Speaker 4:Eastwoods and unforgiven is this broken washed up. Yeah cowboy high noon. Gary Cooper's a Terrified sheriff, you know, because someone's coming to kill him. I mean they're more broken, they're more flawed.
Speaker 2:Communisms coming to kill?
Speaker 4:and yeah, they're not like the guys doing all the gun tricks. It's yeah as much as like I do like a movie like tombstone because it's quotable and that was a western when I was a kid. Yeah you know, it's still like I don't love that as much, because it's like I never really feel like Wyatt Erp or Doc Holliday or any like real danger, because it's like they're the two deadly guys, they're the two best guys.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:Whereas I Like three to the human, because they flip it, because Ben Wade and Charlie Prince are the two fastest guns in the West. They're the tip prototypical cowboy Mm-hmm and they're the villains.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, Dan Evans. This is broken like one legged cattle ranch. That's just trying to make ends meet, yeah on his wife's broach, just to pay the light. You know, keep his farm in the bank Should. I take it and at the end it's heartbreaking when it's just like he tells you like what happened to his leg. Yeah, like you just got friendly fired shot off and my kid hates me for it, like I'm a disappointment to him and yeah that's good, that's fast.
Speaker 2:Let's say it's multifaceted and that's a good Western, and not to. This might be the moment to talk about it, but I did watch the original 57 version and it's very much the old school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, white hat cow black cowboy kind of world and the ending is different. They changed it. So in the end of the original one they both get on the train and they get away and, like the mop, the wife actually shows up in town to try to stop Dan from doing anything. And then so when they get on the train, like she's waiting down the row with Butterfield and they're just waving them on like you did it, yeah, and the music plays and like they've got this 310, do you miss song that's playing. Like it. The rain comes finally, because they've been waiting On rain. Okay, it's a picture, perfect ending interesting.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like the 50s have rules.
Speaker 5:You can't Well I am glad that they changed the ending then for the 2007. It makes it so much better, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:No, I think that that's kind of the brilliant stroke about it is like you go this whole way and it kind of leads you to believe like somehow, some way, even though it's very like, even though through the second watch, like this is kind of ridiculous that they're gonna get to the train, and like the fact that he gets shot right in it's just gut wrenching because he's like Proving himself to his son, to everybody in town, like he's he's pretty much secured the bag.
Speaker 2:Yeah and then you think he's gonna get away and all Ben Foster just is gonna have any of that.
Speaker 4:Nope, what an ass. But like no. I think that's why I like that we're doing this Western. We don't tackle them a whole lot. We have done tombstone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4:We're tackling this one because again we it flips the whole tropes kind of on its head, which I love, and not to mention it's Christian Bill and us will crow.
Speaker 5:Yeah, how can you be mad about that? Performances all around. Patrick and then also a weird cameo with a Luke Wilson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just shows up, just out of nowhere. It was like wait a second play the most racist character throws you off pretty hard.
Speaker 4:That's probably why they didn't win best cast.
Speaker 2:They're like yeah it's almost perfect, but then you put Luke Wilson would have been better if they had Owen Wilson.
Speaker 4:No, the third Wilson that doesn't show up that often.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, where we wouldn't have known how we read the truth. Oh, that was the Wilson brother.
Speaker 4:It's like the roller derby coach and with it like that.
Speaker 1:That would have been fine.
Speaker 4:It's also got like some weird like cameos of like Vanessa Shaw who was like this it girl of the 90s. Yeah just shows up Hocus Pocus, obviously was if you don't know, yeah. I remember her from a Rodney Danger film movie where he dresses his steps on up as a girl to like. Put him on his corporate girl soccer team To win, to get a promotion 80s were wild it's incredible, and Johnny Whitworth's in it, which is AJ from Empire Records.
Speaker 2:He gets shot in the throat like that's right, that's right, okay.
Speaker 4:But I, as every time I watch it I forget it's him until it shows him, I say J From Empire Records. This is great. And then Logan Lerman, peter Fonda, alan Tudyk.
Speaker 5:Send a movie to yeah, yeah, I like to take also caught me off guard. Yeah, she's like is that Alan Tudyk is like?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah, it is yeah, sci-fi boy taking a, taking a romp in the western here.
Speaker 2:Apparently Russell Crowe suggested him to James Bangles.
Speaker 4:So really yeah, tudyk yeah that's a big deal, that's a brag.
Speaker 2:It is a brag.
Speaker 4:Tell my wife immediately, like oh, russell Crowe, put me up for a movie. What have you done today? I have no idea if Alan Tudyk's married or who his wife is if he is, and I'm sure she's lovely, so, but yeah, so that's why we picked this movie. That means we got a dissect this year, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where we taking it to 76 right 1976.
Speaker 4:Alright, so we need to get a feel for this deck or for this year. We know the decade it's the 70s. Um, pretty pretentious very lauded 80s you know we got Scorsese coming in Spielberg C C. He's coming at the end right.
Speaker 2:Yes, spielberg mixes.
Speaker 4:Midway.
Speaker 1:Midway.
Speaker 2:You know he's. He's Jaws is. Jaws is coming out the year before.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:It's 75? Yeah, jaws is 75.
Speaker 4:75. Man.
Speaker 1:All right Everyone.
Speaker 5:All right, yes, I would.
Speaker 4:Yes, he's our resident Spielberg expert slash, john Williams expert.
Speaker 5:I'll take that one so.
Speaker 4:All right. So we need to see what the people were watching. So what the box office? The top 10 at the box office worldwide for movies released in 1976, coming in at number 10 was the OG, the Bad News Bears with Walter Mathau Midway. Coming in at number nine, the Charlton Heston Henry Fonda Flick. Number eight, the enforcer is oh, this is dirty yeah it's a dirty Harry stopping Vietnamese veteran terrorist Corey.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the enforcers, it's pretty good. It's pretty good as far as dirty Harry movies go, the Omen coming in at number seven, not 666. That would have been way better Way better. Gregory Peck, obviously in a very scary anti-Christ movie. All the president's men. This is a big one with Redford and Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 2:That's right At their peak, oh man.
Speaker 4:Man man.
Speaker 2:Take it down. Take it down, nixon.
Speaker 4:Number five Silver Streak. Another great duo of the 70s, gene Wilder and Richard Pryor, in one of those fun cross country movies, king Kong coming in at number four. That is wild. Not as bad as 76 is King Kong is number four.
Speaker 2:Not as bad as you think.
Speaker 4:I did actually end up watching it Not as bad as you think, but still it's like it's King Kong, the 70s King Kong. It's usually ranked pretty low as far as the King Kong movies go.
Speaker 2:Sure, but I was surprised at how like decent it was. Yeah, I mean, it's Jeff, jeff Bridges, and Jessica Lane was a babe in it, so number three, I think either the third or fourth version of a star is born. This is the Christ Christopherson and Barbara Streisand version.
Speaker 4:Personally my favorite, it's my favorite. This is a star is born.
Speaker 2:Well, when he rides a bike onto the stage like he doesn't get much cooler than that and that's because Chris Christopherson was genuinely a drunken buffoon. That's true. He's like he was. I don't think he was acting.
Speaker 4:I think they just followed him around with a camera on tour. Keep rolling. A number two to fly, no.
Speaker 2:What is this? It's an it's like it's not the first IMAX movie, but it's like the one that put IMAX on the map. It's basically the one they put in the Smithsonian when they relaunched one of its buildings.
Speaker 4:That is wild.
Speaker 2:This is number two so many people went to watch this IMAX thing.
Speaker 4:It's we were recording. The box office is like in the 1910s. It would have been the train.
Speaker 2:It's literally just like this 45 minute video where it starts with like they have, like these old timey people and they're going up in a hot air balloon. It just shows the journey from like flight to like the Wright brothers to space. But you're IMAX, so you're like whoa.
Speaker 4:This is the future of movies. Nope, they're still hard to find. Imax is not everywhere at all. Exactly, rocky coming in at number one. Stallone comes onto the scene in a big way, that's right Rocky, he bet it all man almost so good like a perfect movie. So we will try our darned it's not to touch Rocky.
Speaker 2:You totally have Stallone in your back pocket. I know it promises.
Speaker 4:All right. So what were the cine files rooting for in the 70s? So we got to go to the Oscars. Best supporting actress in 1976 was Beatrice Strait for Network. Supporting actor was Jason Robards for all the president's men Actress Faye Dunnaway for Network. And, of course, actor we've already said it twice was Peter Finch in Network Post-Postumously how do we say that I believe so?
Speaker 2:Postumously, yeah.
Speaker 4:First, yeah, best picture nominees were Taxi Driver Network Bound for Glory, all the president's men and, of course, the winner Rocky. He did it.
Speaker 2:Adrian, he did it.
Speaker 4:Bless, yeah, he did it. And it's wild too, because Network, all presidents men and Rocky were top 10 movies and yet the Oscars love them.
Speaker 2:That's a murderer's row of solid movies right there, like classics. I mean you're looking at like Network is known for, like its big performances. Taxi Driver is Scorsese's like really big movie with DeNiro, and then all the president's men is just star-studded.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, it's huge, notable movies. Pink Panther strikes again, marathon man Outlaw Josie Welles. So we're bringing it into. By the way, we're bringing three-ten to Yuma, into Eastwood's territory.
Speaker 2:We are Into his big. It's also the last year of John Wayne. It's his last movie, the Shootest.
Speaker 4:Yep, the Shootest, the Last Icoon with DeNiro Logan's Run a lot of sci-fi and suspense essentially. All right. Do you guys have any notable films from 1976 that you just love?
Speaker 2:I don't have any that I love, I mean.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, not really, there's no way I say that.
Speaker 2:What a dumb year. A lot of movies that I have seen we've already talked about, so I'll talk about the movie that I would like to see. So one that I would like to see is the man who Filled Earth. It's the David Bowie movie. Just because it sounds like a wild experience, Like he's an alien, I guess that comes down to Earth or something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is also a weird time for music movies. In the 70s Tommy the who Movie, big Jaggers acting Bloodsepplin, did also remain the same, or whatever it is this year. That's a weird movie. So yeah, naturally Bowie would make one.
Speaker 1:Why not, but he stuck around.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's stuck around. He liked it. He kept going the longevity?
Speaker 4:Yeah, all right. All right, al you got anything?
Speaker 5:I do so. One that I've seen many, many times it's one of my favorite horror movies is Carrie starring Sissy Spacic. It's fantastic. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Piper Laurie nominated for an Oscar, and it's one of the few Oscars that has been given to somebody within a horror movie? If I'm not mistaken, I could be like a nomination you mean. I want to say she won it, yeah, she was the winner. Oh shoot. No, she didn't win that.
Speaker 2:No, it was something else that she was Sissy Spacics was nominated for Carrie.
Speaker 4:Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, she got the nomination. Yeah, that's impressive.
Speaker 2:And Piper Laurie was nominated as well.
Speaker 5:OK, that's what I was thinking of was Piper Laurie. Yeah, yeah, she was nominated.
Speaker 2:my bad, it's crazy that they both were nominated for. It is wild.
Speaker 5:And rightfully so in my opinion. But yeah, carrie is a fantastic movie. I mean, the ending is iconic and yeah, it's De Palma.
Speaker 2:It's straight to Paul's.
Speaker 4:It's De Palma so the Oscars were like cool and then they said it's not horror. It's an allegory for a teenage demonstration yeah. And for a woman becoming a woman and all the changes happening and how hard it is to be a teenager.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, it's not a horror movie. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4:Guy.
Speaker 5:But yes.
Speaker 4:But yeah, no, that's. I did not know that about Carrie. How do you feel about this, the remake?
Speaker 5:Haven't seen it on purpose.
Speaker 4:Did you watch the Rage Carrie 2, the 90s sequel?
Speaker 5:I tend to steer away from horror sequels. Is it actually good or is it just I love it.
Speaker 4:I could do it in defense of the sequel, that Carrie 2, the Rage is better than Carrie.
Speaker 5:Well, oh well I guess Two minutes.
Speaker 2:I'll read guys.
Speaker 4:That would be a really tough sell. I'll have to work on it. I chose Murder by Death. Ok, it's this really weird, like kind of like it's not a spoof movie, it's not like Mel Brooks, but it is kind of making fun of like the detective like thing. Like Alex Guinness is in it, obi-wan Kenobi and it's just like all these actors at the time are playing kind of like these spoofs of famous detectives and they're trying to solve a murder in a house and it's great.
Speaker 2:OK, interesting it's really fun.
Speaker 4:It's kind of weirdly British, so I'm into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like it. But, Corey, we have one last question, I think, before we jump into this, into this casting, and that's how does this movie change?
Speaker 4:Oh none.
Speaker 1:I don't think it.
Speaker 2:I don't really think it does Like you could make the argument that it's like well, would they make it more like like the traditional Western? But we're talking about the 70s where there's this is this is where we're getting real tour choices and stuff going on, and we're getting some dark material like, I mean, all the presidents men network like it's. It's putting a magnifying glass into society in all these different genres and stuff. So I yeah, I don't think it really changes all that much. I think it really fits really well in 76. And that's kind of why I think we we moved it here.
Speaker 4:It was like it's just Scorsese is dirtyed up the waters of Hollywood. You can bring this gritty kind of like non traditional Western here and like compete with Eastwood's more like yeah man with no name was in town and cleaning it up.
Speaker 2:Right, well, I mean you're talking about the same year of the Outlaw Josie Wales, and the shoot is both to the two biggest Western stars, both have significant movies of very, very different styles and it's the end of one and kind of like the mid, like back end of the other end.
Speaker 4:So we're just saying that they could be possibly handing off the baton to our three. To me, you must, potentially, potentially, yeah that's if you guys don't blow what's coming up, which is the casting.
Speaker 5:Well, we'll see.
Speaker 4:Eastwood and John Wayne are making movies this year's guys.
Speaker 2:Kind of sacrosanct movies, by the way.
Speaker 4:Don't screw this up. So no, I think that's our thing with period movies in general. It's really hard to say that they change. Yeah really worried about technology or not really worried, it's just the aesthetic, is there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's easy.
Speaker 4:It's not hard to recreate the West.
Speaker 2:Really, the question just becomes like OK, with a modern movie like this, where there's more violence or like there's a little more scantily clad moments, You're kind of like, OK, does that fit? But in the 70s it does, I feel like.
Speaker 4:For sure it's true. You see Vanessa Shaw's pelvic bone.
Speaker 2:That's right. It's a pelvic bone Pretty risque.
Speaker 4:Listen, a clockwork orange has come out by now, hasn't?
Speaker 2:it. Yeah, those early 70s, yeah there's. There's been a lot that's gone on in this decade.
Speaker 4:Kubrick's blown the door off. That we've, we've, we've. Yeah, we've seen everything so we can see some pelvic bone. It's fine, I mean.
Speaker 5:Carrie has straight up naked women all in, that's true. Opening the beginning of the movie, the first, like five minutes yeah we can show more than pelvic bone, Nick you can? Yeah, you can, we go hard, all right.
Speaker 4:OK, cool, we go hard. We are here in 76.
Speaker 1:Nothing changes, we're just getting dirtier.
Speaker 4:That's what's happening All right. So that means we're going to cast this movie. Oh right, we're going to take three Tiniuma straight out of 2007 and take it to 76. I know it pisses Nick off that we are one year off of just a clean. It's fun.
Speaker 2:Listen, if we tried 77, it's just Star Wars and it's a completely different world.
Speaker 4:Westerns have gotten a space.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Flash Gordon. No one wants to see six shooters anymore. They want white swords.
Speaker 2:We want to see the moon.
Speaker 4:We want lasers.
Speaker 2:We want a bad guy in a helmet 1976.
Speaker 3:Look at me, damien, it's all for you. You talking to me. All she's talking about is that?
Speaker 1:That's? I heard you. I'm lucky hey.
Speaker 4:So I'm directing this, which means I will be choosing between your two picks. We've created essentially two casts here. We have a 30 seconds or less cast, which is roles that are a little smaller. Maybe we don't have time to talk about it because you, the listener, has a life and then we're going to mainly tackle six to seven top roles that we will actually discuss and discuss why we're doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 4:But there are rules. You two are bound to rules here. You can't just go casting willy nilly in 1976.
Speaker 2:We can't.
Speaker 4:Rule number one Fortunately, whoever you cast in 1976's 310 of Yuma must be alive in 1976.
Speaker 1:OK, that's fair.
Speaker 4:Rule number two anyone you cast in 76's 310 of Yuma must be free to do so. They cannot be in prison or anything of that nature. They have to be able to show up on set Got it.
Speaker 3:That's what we're saying Makes sense.
Speaker 4:Rule number three anyone you cast must have an acting credit in 1976. They must have already been acting. We define that as having at least one credit in 1976 or prior to. That's right Now again, we do have one teenage role here. We do get a little loose there. If you can just cast a teenager that has been acting around the time in a respectable buffer.
Speaker 2:Relatively close.
Speaker 4:Yes, Usually good three to four year birth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 4:And that's just because casting children and teenagers is hard.
Speaker 2:It's really hard.
Speaker 4:It's tough, I mean because they'd want to done it, charlie from Willy Wonka. It's like oh, come on, man, you've had chops.
Speaker 5:He did he did.
Speaker 3:You want to go deliver baby cows.
Speaker 1:As a large animal vet, what's the matter with you? He threw it all away.
Speaker 4:Get a fame and fortune man.
Speaker 2:The worst.
Speaker 4:All right, so those are your rules. Oh, and rule number four. Rule number four. Sorry, rule number four. It's the big one. So why you can't go casting Willy in 1976? Anyone you cast in 1976's 310 of Yuma will lose all major acting credits that they're in in 1976.
Speaker 2:So choose wisely, so you people.
Speaker 4:The listener may be going. Oh, this is easy. This is Hoffman and Redford.
Speaker 2:Let's just double up and we're going Eastwood and John Wayne.
Speaker 5:Yeah, then you kill all those movies. So nope.
Speaker 4:You have to try to find free agents or be willing to pull them out of movies that they're already in.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 4:And now we don't count directing Broadway TV, anything like that. We just we don't have that kind of time.
Speaker 2:It's too hard, too much research.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's too much research. If you people start paying us to do this, then we'll tighten the rules up.
Speaker 2:We'll consider it yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, me the director. I have two power-ups Just to instill some order in this chaos. The first power-up is at any point, I can retroactively change any two actors that have been placed on the board in the respective roles. If I just hey, this looks a little better here, I can move those two actors at any time.
Speaker 4:The old switcheroo, the old switcheroo, the other one, the big one. At any point I can invoke the override, but that must be done in the casting of the character, cannot be done retroactively, must be happened, must happen on the spot. And that's where I tell you both did a bad job and I put my own actor in.
Speaker 5:Oh, there we go.
Speaker 4:I can only do it once, and so please do well at the bottom and don't make me do it early.
Speaker 2:Got it, so I will do my best.
Speaker 4:Can't promise anything. I'm a little nervous to really think about the whole Eastwood Wayne thing. It's pretty.
Speaker 2:Screw this up, I'm stretching now you could, you could Get a good stretch in. There's a lot to mess up here, corey.
Speaker 4:Normally the movies we do doesn't have that much stakes, but we have competition this year, All right. Ok, cool, so we have to start with our below the line cast Again. These are characters we love and we think they're great, but either the screen time is small or we just have to be respectful of time here. And those characters are Emma Nelson, played by Vanessa Shaw. Tucker, played by Kevin Durand Nick had originally had Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4:It was an autocorrect, it was not me, it was to assure him that Kevin Durant, the current NBA star, was not in 310 to U.
Speaker 2:My computer betrayed me. All right, I think he was in college. Maybe no? No, he was not even in college. He was not even in college. All right, his father may have been in college In 2007? In 1976.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, no, I get what you're saying. I was like, I was like, I was like I was just-.
Speaker 2:He was playing for the Thunder at that point.
Speaker 4:He was like a he would've been he would've been. Yeah, I think so. All right, see, I know sports Spall 2006,.
Speaker 2:2007 was his year at Texas and then-.
Speaker 4:I said in college, yeah, in college, yeah, all right, you tell the list of his score.
Speaker 2:He was right, he was drafted in 2007 with the first round, first round, second overall pick.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so the 2007, 2008 season was his year. Greg Oden was above him. I'm a man Mistake, I'm a man and I know sports. I'm a man and I know sports. All right, sorry, from the top. Emma Nelson, played by Vanessa Shaw Tucker, played by Kevin Durand, zeke played by Luke Wilson, and Byron McElroy played by Peter Fonda. And then, topping it off, it was hard to move this guy to the bottom, but we had to do it. Doc Potter, the vet, played by Alan Tudyk. Yes, so this is how this works. Just gonna name a role and we'll speedcast this. You're not bound to the rules here on the below the line.
Speaker 4:That's good, no you can't cast really early here because we just say that these roles, just you know, hey, they could show up and do these in a couple of days.
Speaker 2:Come in for a few days, have a nice couple scenes. Move on.
Speaker 4:All right, okay, so I'll let you go first. All right, All right, ready, set go. Emma Nelson, Faye Dunaway.
Speaker 2:Oh, Margot Kidder.
Speaker 5:I thought about her.
Speaker 4:I'm going, faye Dunaway, yes.
Speaker 5:Tucker Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2:Oh, pull out Jack early. I picked Ed Louder from the longest yard thing.
Speaker 4:Oh, ed Louder. He kind of looks like Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2:Right, right, yeah, and he's got a dick. Yeah, he's a major dick, he's a prison guard captain.
Speaker 4:Yeah all right, I mean at the end he can't shoot Paul Kruse. That's right, right, yeah, he comes around, he is a hero All right, but no, we're gonna go with your guy.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 5:Zeke Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see what she's doing here. Okay, put on the big guns for these models. Okay, wow, I went with Jack Palitz. Most people know him from City Slickers, but he was a Old Western star.
Speaker 4:Okay, you aged up there.
Speaker 2:The voice, the voice with the grub. I mean both have the grub. I'm gonna go with Jack Palitz.
Speaker 4:I feel like Clint Eastwood would just tell us no, I'm not like he would turn us in.
Speaker 1:It's a no for me.
Speaker 4:That's fair, this is the first time I've ever had to say in our hypothetical casting that I think the actor would hypothetically just tell us no, Respectfully no. He's like that sounds great, but I'm a huge deal. There's a Western and I'm not the star.
Speaker 2:I'm only in it for a. I'm a racist jerk.
Speaker 5:That comes later, All right all right, all right, byron McElroy. Now y'all are making me question everything. I'm whipping out another one, old John Wayne. Oh, I see what you did here.
Speaker 2:It's a little cameo, yeah All right, okay, For Byron, I'm bringing oh, I'm sorry I completely screwed up, but I'm just gonna flip it anyway Bruce Dern.
Speaker 5:Oh, okay, interesting, you did, you got your backwards.
Speaker 2:I did, I mixed them up, I did.
Speaker 1:Bruce Dern was your racist, wasn't he? He would play a good racist oh 100% yeah All right, All right, I'm going.
Speaker 4:okay, Ali, just to get you some more. I'm going with John Wayne here. He's at the end of his career. He might show up to do us this favor.
Speaker 2:As long as you're not he's gonna put over the next guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and he sort of agrees with some of the ideologies coming in the movie. So yeah, I like him playing the aged lawman. Okay okay, yeah, it makes sense. Maybe see him throw off a cliff. I'll take the pity vote.
Speaker 1:It's not the pity vote. Actually I like it here.
Speaker 2:One more to go.
Speaker 4:Doc Potter.
Speaker 5:Christopher Walken.
Speaker 2:Oh pull out the old Walken okay.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna tug at your heart strings and bring you Michael Palin, michael Palin.
Speaker 4:Oh well, michael Palin, oh my gosh, that one would hurt.
Speaker 2:It's gonna hurt guys. Yeah, it's gonna hurt hard.
Speaker 4:Being a hero? Oh, that hurts, but that's gonna hit.
Speaker 2:That's gonna hit the right way. Oh yeah, you're gonna feel that. For those that don't know Michael Palin, is a A Monty Python.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, yes, he's most talented of the Monty Python, oh.
Speaker 2:Allie's like oh, Nick cheated.
Speaker 4:It's rare. I will not pick Michael Palin when he is on the board.
Speaker 5:Dang it Whatever.
Speaker 4:It's cool. We just did Holy grail, it's done, we're free this year. No one, nope, nothing got ruined. No, we're fine. So okay, I like that. Oh man, let's see here. All right, just recapping For Emma Nelson we have Faye Dunaway, for Tucker we have Ed Louder, for Zeke we have Jack Palin, for Byron McElroy we have John Wayne and for Doc Potter we're bringing in Michael Palin. That's right, I'm digging this. I'm liking this. Guys, how did y'all feel about Peter Fond in this movie? I didn't love him in this movie.
Speaker 5:He was fine. He was fine, yeah, okay, it wasn't really a standout to me personally. I think he served the role.
Speaker 2:Fine, like you want, the grumpy old guy who clearly had a questionable checkered past, and that's what Russell Crowe's character is pointing out. Ben Wade's like hey, you think you're. You talk to me like I'm the problem. Like you've done worse things or done just as bad things.
Speaker 4:I just feel like in re-watching it I was like I don't love Peter Fonda here.
Speaker 5:Oh, I'm just like hmm, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 4:It feels like a caricature in a movie. That's kind of fighting caricatures. I got you, I get your sense. I think I can see that that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you're gonna get a little Rooster Cogburn here with John Wayne, just kind of also some searchers with some Rooster Cogburn John Wayne right here, little racist, little problematic. He gets thrown off a ditch, he gets thrown off a cliff and that's just gonna throw everyone like a complete John Wayne died.
Speaker 4:I like that.
Speaker 2:We did it, I like that we did it twice in this year. I think we pitted.
Speaker 4:Wayne with Bruce Dern considering Bruce Dern's actual career took a hit because he's the guy that killed John.
Speaker 2:Wayne, that's right, that's great, yeah, interesting, like people hated him.
Speaker 5:I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:In the shoot. It's his last movie and he gets shot in the back and everyone's like you're the dude that shot John Wayne in the back.
Speaker 5:Oh wow, yeah, like he killed John Wayne and like he took it personally, oh wow.
Speaker 4:That career took kind of a weird like hit a little bit. That's so strange, it's like you can't cast you. You shot John Wayne in the back and he's like I didn't. It's a movie.
Speaker 2:No, no, it was real. It's like wrestling in the 70s, corey, that shit was real.
Speaker 4:Oh man, but for the record director. James Mangold originally wanted Chris Christofferson as a buyer in McElroy in 2007. And that would have probably I would have liked that a little bit more, I think.
Speaker 2:That's fair yeah.
Speaker 4:Cause. Again it's Chris Christofferson, but it just been is even acting.
Speaker 2:No, they just rolled the camera.
Speaker 4:Or did he actually just wander on a set on a horse Dressed like a cowboy? Kind of drunk and you're like, yeah, he's probably actually been shot before. So, going to the top, we're going to cast our top six roles here for the movie, which will be starting off with Alice Evans, going to Grayson Butterfield, going to Charlie Prince, then up to our top three, william Evans, dan Evans and Ben Wade. So starting with Alice Evans, for God's sake he's killed more men than the drought.
Speaker 3:That's not what I expected. He's dangerous. Dangerous is what he is.
Speaker 5:Alice and Wade has a gang and they're up there tonight somewhere, if I don't go we got to pack up and leave, and God knows where we're at without a projector Played by Gretchen Moll.
Speaker 4:She's just, she's Dan Evans' wife. She's sticking with him through the hard times.
Speaker 2:And she's only in the movie, on the front end, but she's a topic of discussion and part of the motivation throughout the whole thing. It's all motivation.
Speaker 4:She's sticking with her man through the tough times and he's going to go save this far. Damn it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And obviously Russell Crowe uses he flirts with her in that scene just to throw the insecurity on to Dan Evans, who's already insecure enough. He's got one leg and he's losing his farm.
Speaker 2:Again, we're talking about how this movie goes against the tropes of Westerns and in the original the Alice character is just very much the supportive wife. That's just like oh well, and isn't really that interested. She's just kind of taken aback by him. But there's not that moment where you're like, oh, she kind of digs him a little bit. That's weird kind of thing.
Speaker 4:She's kind of a badass. You're pretty sure if things go south she's going to hold her own.
Speaker 5:For sure, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4:All right. Nick, I'll let you go first up top.
Speaker 2:I was just going to also know, if you don't know, Gretchen Mould. She was in a TV show called the Thirteenth Floor. She was in Manchester by the Sea and she's also in Boardwalk Empire. So not a well-known name, but she does really well here, I think.
Speaker 4:But for my pick.
Speaker 2:That's none of it. I'm familiar with Boardwalk Empire, Manchester by the Sea.
Speaker 5:Yeah, same.
Speaker 2:Corey, I'm going to go with somebody you know. They get a big, big boost in the A-lister world after this year in Smoky and the Bandit so we're getting them first. We're getting her first and we're getting Sally Field. Corey, god, dang it, nick. Nothing is more American Bro, american humble pie Homestead wife than Sally Field. And she's going to bring it, she's got some spunk to her.
Speaker 4:Sally Field's my hall.
Speaker 2:Pass man Like, even right now, whatever Like you were having a good time with the Oscars when she showed up.
Speaker 4:I was pumped and my wife just rolled her eyes. She's like oh my gosh, sally Field's a babe and to this day is a babe.
Speaker 2:Ali is shaking her head. She's giving me a look.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I apologize. I mean, I'm fair here. I don't see the point in even going.
Speaker 4:I'm fair here. I will listen to what you have to say, but it's Sally Field.
Speaker 5:Here's the deal. I was going to choose Sally Field, but I was like no, I know that Corey would automatically choose Sally Field, so I'm going to try and go with somebody else. I kid you not.
Speaker 4:She's saying Nick was a layup.
Speaker 5:I'm not going to be like Nick Two points and cast two actors that are two of Corey's favorites. Sorry that I was trying to think outside the box.
Speaker 4:Wow, nick, you being called out, you being called out.
Speaker 2:Listen. But, she does outside of Corey's. Like I forget how much of a crush she has on her, but I do think that, like she's 30 years old here I think she can play the role very well and she's not just going to be like the push over kind of wife. That's just kind of like oh no, what are we going to do?
Speaker 4:And she's going to push back against. We're going to get some early steel magnolias here.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, she's the matriarch of this family.
Speaker 5:Well, all right. Well, I'm giving you Madeline Kahn. She was 30. I'm sorry, yeah, 34.
Speaker 1:I thought that she would be a lot of fun, but we got to sell it, allie, ok, all right, so Madeline Kahn here's the deal.
Speaker 5:So, first off I really first off I think she's a fantastic actress who unfortunately went way too early RIP, but I think that she would be able to portray Alice Evans pretty well and be able to hold down the fort, like you guys have said, and just deliver a performance that would be. You know, she delivers a lot of performances throughout her career that are really memorable.
Speaker 2:Blazing Saddles, clue Young Frankenstein and Paper Moon, which I've never seen.
Speaker 5:I don't believe I've seen that one. It's one of those Woody Allen movies. Yeah, but yeah, I'm giving you you know what I'm giving you? Madeline Kahn.
Speaker 2:That's there you go. There's the spirit.
Speaker 5:There's the spirit.
Speaker 4:It came back. We're out of one Tonton, the doc who saved Hollywood.
Speaker 5:Yeah, dang, right, I am. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:That's not a Woody Allen movie.
Speaker 2:It's directed by Peter Bogdanovich, so Bogdanovich.
Speaker 4:Yes, neither of those guys directed one. Tonton, the doc who saved Hollywood.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I know that this is crazy. I'm going to go ahead and take her out of that movie and put her in this one. Wow.
Speaker 2:Bold choice. Bold choice, corey, living on the edge here.
Speaker 4:Allie, I love the spirit, I love the effort. It's fine, I knew, I know.
Speaker 5:I know it is. I know it is.
Speaker 1:Stop cheating.
Speaker 5:Sorry that I'm not a cheater and I try to think OK.
Speaker 2:I can't promise, but I'm pretty sure that's all the ones that it's going to just immediately out of this.
Speaker 5:There's going to be a surprise one later on that none of us know about. That he's like oh my god, hear it.
Speaker 2:He's like finally, nick, you get it.
Speaker 4:It's finally All right. All right, so Sally Field is on the board as Alice Evans. Not a lot of suspense there, we tried. So moving on to Grayson Butterfield, who is brilliantly played by Dallas Robert.
Speaker 3:I want guarantees that Hollander and his boys will never set foot on my land again and that my water is going to flow, and I expect you to hand my wife 1,000 cash dollars when you see her. You got money to spare. I can deliver that. Just get him on the train.
Speaker 4:He does a really good job, he does.
Speaker 2:For a lesser known actor. I don't really know much. He's been in Dallas Byers Club, walk the Line and the Gray, the Liam Neeson movie.
Speaker 5:Oh interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does a pretty decent job here, holds his own against some titans of cinema.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I just know him from Walk the Line. He's in the Gray.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember him, but he's in the theater. Because you don't?
Speaker 1:remember anyone because they all get eaten by wolves, right. They're not fair. Walk the.
Speaker 4:Line he plays the director of Sun Studios.
Speaker 1:Oh OK, the guy that essentially discovers everybody in his face.
Speaker 4:And so he's the dude that. Does the hey imagine if you were dying on the side road? If you had one song to sing, yeah yeah so, and he does great there too, so I love this role. He's essentially what Representing the bank.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's here.
Speaker 4:And Ben Wade's a pain in his ass.
Speaker 5:Yep absolutely.
Speaker 2:Just keeps stealing everything.
Speaker 4:And it's like I'm wondering if it's territorial. This is just the one bank in the area, so Ben Wade's just like robbing what he knows or Ben. Wade's like only this bank. We're going to get Butterfield again.
Speaker 2:Because you think he says it's like 20 times or something Like he keeps two times.
Speaker 4:This is a two day 400 grand, which is like $1 billion Right in the West.
Speaker 2:No wonder he's Ben Wade. Should have retired by now.
Speaker 4:At what point are you just like? I'm tired of risking my life and I just have a lot of money.
Speaker 2:Guys, we're going to Mexico, Going to Cancun.
Speaker 4:We did it.
Speaker 2:We picked on the small town. Nobody came to help.
Speaker 4:And so he's representing the bank, which is also the bank that's trying to foreclose on Dan Abedin's farm and so because this other guy in town is like pretty much saying I'll buy it in the railroad. I don't know all the Western tropes, the railroad's coming through your land's on it and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's that guy.
Speaker 4:But he's part of the big ending where Dan makes him swear that he's going to essentially save his farm if he gets his dude on the screen.
Speaker 2:It's very high noon in the sense that everyone abandons Dan until the end. But differently, dan's like if I'm going out, I'm getting everything I wanted.
Speaker 4:Yeah, in two minutes everyone abandons Dan except for his teenage son, and the whole town joins the bad guy crew Right.
Speaker 2:Like it flits real fast. It ticks up a notch there, yeah yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 4:It's like a pretty well-established, like playground basketball game. Then LeBron James shows up and joins a team. And you're like and he's not going to be easy.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 4:He's just going to be like nope, this is part of my legacy, just game. Right now it flips and he is the last to essentially abandon Dan. And he's like, hey, and he tries to pay Dan to abandon. He's like, hey, I'll give you 200 bucks and this is over.
Speaker 2:Let's just roll out. But not Dan, not Dan Stevens.
Speaker 4:Nope, no, dan Evans.
Speaker 5:Excuse me Evans I'm mixing names here Dan.
Speaker 2:Stevens, that's another actor.
Speaker 5:Wait a second.
Speaker 4:So all right, yeah so he's that guy and he's great. He's got a good mustache and he's a well-dressed guy, Great mustache, and he's kind of like the. He's like the adult on this cross.
Speaker 2:Countrytrips he is. He's like all right, stop beating the prisoner.
Speaker 4:All right, boys Settle down.
Speaker 2:We want him alive in Yuma.
Speaker 4:No more rough housing. So he is. He's the adult on the trip.
Speaker 2:The sponsor on the trip yeah, All right so. Nicky made that, I did.
Speaker 4:So you get to go first with Grayson Butterfield.
Speaker 2:Yes, corey, I'm going to in the world of mustaches. I don't know if this guy can pull one off super well. I didn't go for the obvious mustachioed man of this era. I didn't give you two from that movie, but I am going to give you a needs, a little boost in his career, something different other than the horror genre. I'm going to give you Anthony Perkins with a mustache.
Speaker 5:I love Anthony Perkins. Oh man no no, yeah, well, that's fine, well like.
Speaker 2:Yes, anthony Perkins, if you don't know, he's the main character from Psycho, but that's kind of what he gets stuck in. He gets to do a fun Disney sci-fi movie, the Black Hole, later on. But he pretty much gets labeled as Norman Bates for the rest of his career.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's just Norman.
Speaker 2:Bates.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And he actually got previous to this. He got to do one of the mystery movie Murder on the Orchid Oriented Express in 74. So he's going to do some stuff like that.
Speaker 5:Oh, interesting OK.
Speaker 2:But I saw him in that. I was like you know you put a mustache on that guy. I feel like he's going to be really, really fun in this role. It's going to be a little different than his Norman Bates character.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't hate it. Yeah, part of he wants him to be one of the more rough and tumble guys.
Speaker 2:Well, but he's a little older, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the. I thought maybe he could, but I was like he's looking a little.
Speaker 4:Because I mean he's not like action. So when he as he got older, he just got more middle-aged.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, he's showing his age a bit.
Speaker 4:Like I'm sure he's the same age as Christian Bale or something, but Christian Bale looks like.
Speaker 2:Christian Bale yeah, and it's modern and people start smoking and drinking as much anyway.
Speaker 4:All right, cool. All right, all right, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I'm a Perkins fan because of Psycho.
Speaker 5:Yeah, fair, totally fair, all right. Well, I actually that's funny. I thought about him for a different role, so it's funny that he was even brought up, but anyway. So for Grayson Butterfield, I decided to go ahead. This was right before he got, I would argue, his big break. I'm going to go ahead and put Harrison Ford in here. I think he would do a really good job of being kind of that stoic, kind of I don't know. There's something about his demeanor that I think would be really interesting and, if I'm not mistaken, he is free this year.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's before he becomes Han Solo, right before Han Solo, before the jump, plus modern filmmaking.
Speaker 5:Harrison Ford with a mustache? Yes, please.
Speaker 2:But Ali has envisioned this, but he has acted, he has.
Speaker 4:He was in TV in the 60s. Yeah, he did, he's also in Excuse me American graffiti. Yeah, yeah, he's the bad guy. Race graffiti.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I'm giving you Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1:I'm not mad about it. He's great yeah.
Speaker 5:Okay, all right.
Speaker 4:As soon as you said it, allie, I thought you'd lost your ever-loving mind, because I was like it's Harrison Ford, but you're right.
Speaker 2:He's just that guy from American graffiti. Right now he's a carpenter, Corey.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's a carpenter. Give him a mustache and he needs a mustache.
Speaker 2:Allie is very demanding the mustache as part of it.
Speaker 4:Yes, I can throw a mustache on him, it's fine. Oh, thank you. Allie's a millionaire. I kind of have to go, harrison Ford.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 4:I mean we might as well. This is the only shot he's ever going to get to play this character, because as soon as he becomes Harrison Ford. He's just badass, for the rest of his life Exactly. This is the first time we get. We get a moment where we see Harrison Ford kicking out.
Speaker 2:This will be. This will be close to his apocalypse. Now cameo where he's just the office clerk guy that's just the beginning.
Speaker 5:That's what we're doing. We'll give him a bigger break here, exactly, and then before he becomes Han Solo and everything else and maybe, George Lucas sees this and says well, that guy's a pussy. I'm not making him Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2:Get Kurt Russell in there. Get Pachino in here. Pachino, Christopher Walken oh no, Was it Pachino? Almost Han Solo Pachino, and Kurt Russell was up for it.
Speaker 5:Oh, okay, I can see that I don't know about Pachino, but that's just my opinion, listen.
Speaker 4:Pachino in there. He could have been Harrison Ford. I mean, he could have been Han Solo in the 70s. But could you imagine him in the like?
Speaker 2:New York Trilogy as old man Pachino. That's not how the force works.
Speaker 4:The life savers, the force, it's all true. Oh my God, can you?
Speaker 2:drop the accent.
Speaker 1:Al.
Speaker 2:Don Pachino.
Speaker 4:I love it All right, so yeah. So okay, ali, I'm putting Harrison Ford in and we're on a trajectory to get old man Pachino in the new Star Wars.
Speaker 2:Oh, hi, everything's changing in this timeline.
Speaker 4:Maybe he won't mess up the end of the 2020 for Oscars. We did a good here.
Speaker 2:He said the right name.
Speaker 4:That's all that matters.
Speaker 2:He did say the right name.
Speaker 5:Yeah it's just so anti-climactic, it says Oppenheimer. It says Oppenheimer.
Speaker 4:It's like he forgot where he was.
Speaker 5:He did.
Speaker 4:That's the risk you run with those. He just woken up from an app.
Speaker 2:It's the risk you run with those older actors, those prestige cameos.
Speaker 4:And yet we keep trusting them Keep doing it. Do the last one. What will they learn?
Speaker 2:Never Next year we're going to get like some. Who's the safest person? Matt Damon, just like, if it should be Kim Lee, he's either way, wait a second. Who's the safest person we can get to?
Speaker 4:I still think what's the guy that won two Oscars in the last three years ruining the Oscars he beat?
Speaker 2:Anthony Hopkins. Yeah, anthony Hopkins, he keeps winning Oscars. He's too old now. Younger I'm someone though, if we want a safe old man. I think Hopkins is no old man. This is no country for old man.
Speaker 4:Corey Dang, I say we get Tommy Lee Jones out there.
Speaker 2:We haven't seen him in forever.
Speaker 4:He's wild, so who knows what he says.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 4:Maybe we're having the exact conversation the Oscars.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 4:They're like who might just explode on stage. All right, okay. So Harrison Ford, we're bringing him in, all right? Do you notice, before you get all pissy again, he's not in Star Wars yet.
Speaker 5:No, he's not in Star Wars yet.
Speaker 4:He's just the guy from American graffiti. We're just buffing up his resume.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're coming up to possibly my favorite character in this movie, because he's played by one of my favorite actors oh, it is Corey. Don't even admit it, it's not to say Charlie Prince, who is the villain Morning Pinkerton Name's Charlie Prince.
Speaker 3:I expect you heard of me. Well, I heard of a bald up whore named Charlie Princess.
Speaker 4:And he's kind of the stereo. He's like one of the caricatures that he is, that right hand man to the villain. That is just like on the verge of homoeroticism loyal.
Speaker 2:Fully condescending yes.
Speaker 4:He might be in love with Ben Wade, because he is like having no disloyalty. He's like slapping his men around while he's burning another guy alive because they're even thinking about maybe not going to get him.
Speaker 2:We've captured Ben Wade, we're trying to get him on the train and you're sitting there watching me going. Why is Charlie Prince not the guy everyone's scared of?
Speaker 4:I think you're. I mean, that's what it is at some level. But again, ben Wade's the guy that's like, well, I'm the brains, I guess you know.
Speaker 2:And so the thing, too, is that Ben Wade has this kind of arc of a story where he's you really realize he's not as bad as he's labeled. Well, there's good at him.
Speaker 4:Whereas I think Charlie Prince here's the guy devoid of good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like just devoid of it. So yeah he probably couldn't be the leader, but I love ambiguity. I love ambiguity. I love when things are not spelled out for us, and this is a movie that, towards the end, they start dumping a lot of information on you at the very end. Like they forgot to sprinkle the movie. By the way my son's got. He needs a dry climate. I've escaped from you before.
Speaker 2:Listen, he just wanted to know he's not stubborn.
Speaker 4:So it's like we do information up at the end, but so but I love that they just allude that Ben Wade's done something for Charlie.
Speaker 2:Prince yeah.
Speaker 4:That he's, like you, forgot what he's done for us.
Speaker 5:And you're like whoa.
Speaker 4:He said that with like Ben Wade's, like murdered for these men before.
Speaker 2:I mean pretty much.
Speaker 4:So I love. I love that we don't know what it is, but played by Ben Foster, mr Laura Prep on himself. Oh what.
Speaker 2:He's married to to Laura Prep on to, to, not to jam.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's her name?
Speaker 4:Redhead from a 70 show on Eric and Eric and Eric and Donna Guys come on. It's that 70 show. I believe they have children, wow, so you might look that up Now. You've got me second guessing myself.
Speaker 2:No Mary to Ben Foster. Yes, she dated him for several years and then, in August 2017, she gave birth to her and their daughter, ella. They married in 2018. Yeah, well, we had a kid. Yeah, I will do it.
Speaker 4:All right, ben Foster, he is phenomenally, stupidly good after, but kind of a boy. Big things. Yeah, I think he had a bad experience with X-Men 3.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, you promised a big role. Then you, you're like the trailer, yeah.
Speaker 4:And guys like Corey, who's like Angel's my favorite X-Men goes to the movie and like what's this shit?
Speaker 2:You're not just the subplot, you're like the D subplot.
Speaker 4:Yes, and so yeah, so he's just like, well, screw this, I'm out, but he's. He's in the Tom Jane Punisher Alpha dog. He does incredible in that Heller Highwater the superhero western Super good. Yeah, does great. 30 days of night Does great. He's just very, very character actor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he can do anything.
Speaker 4:He's just like Johnny Depp, and not as famous.
Speaker 2:Right yeah so just he will.
Speaker 4:He can be the weirdest guy.
Speaker 2:If Johnny Depp had chosen not to be Jack Sparrow probably.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and so I love Ben Foster and this performance is unhinged. It's like you're. You're definitely like this guy at any point could kill anyone.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 4:And so he's the ticking time bomb of the movie for sure he is. The storm coming for like for them. Like they are trying to outrun this man in this posse because they will in like the whole time Ben waits. Like these dudes are animals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you should let me go, you better like this is bad and so it's like Dan Dan, they're coming at the end.
Speaker 4:He's kind of like no, dan, I really like you, these guys. There's no off switch, so yeah, so we need, we need unhinged here people.
Speaker 2:Alla you made it yeah.
Speaker 5:Now you're up, all right, I'm up, all right. I'm going to throw you something a little out of left field here, so I have decided. So I know that earlier in this, in this episode, I mentioned that I love Carrie. However, I'm going to go ahead and kind of throw that one a loop, or for a loop, whatever the phrase is, and I'm going to cast John Travolta as.
Speaker 5:Charlie Prince, so I'm taking him out of Carrie. The character is necessary in order for the story to progress. However, john Travolta is not necessarily needed in it, in my opinion, and I feel I would love to see unhinged Travolta.
Speaker 4:Does Travolta like you mean like an early seven V's unhinged? Yes, we do later on, yes, we do.
Speaker 5:But yeah, an early on like younger unhinged Travolta, I think that would be a really fun watch.
Speaker 4:Does he have a dancing scene in Carrie?
Speaker 2:He does. I mean they go to prom together.
Speaker 4:It's not like the lights hit him and he has a number?
Speaker 5:No, he has no number in Carrie, yeah, no.
Speaker 2:He could do a little dance in this movie. You know, a little two step or something. Oh my gosh, he's going to be dancing all over this probably. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:For no reason.
Speaker 5:He wasn't even instructed to do so, please stop.
Speaker 2:I got this movie coming out it's called Grease A couple years Then. Saturday Night Fever.
Speaker 4:When is Saturday Night Fever.
Speaker 2:It's in late 80s, 77. So we're next year.
Speaker 5:Oh, it's right beforehand.
Speaker 2:There we go yeah you're right.
Speaker 4:He's like I got a movie. I got to like show up for film in next week.
Speaker 2:I'm just practicing. Saturday Night Fever and then Grease that's wild.
Speaker 4:That is wild. Wow Okay, I'm going to make a play a murderous cowboy here Interesting.
Speaker 5:I think that would be fun right before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I don't think you lose anything with him being out of Carrie.
Speaker 5:No, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4:We don't have to pull him out of the boy in the plastic bubble. It was a TV movie, oh perfect, he's still in.
Speaker 5:Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah, I was not sure about that one, but I'm glad we have confirmation.
Speaker 4:You guys are uncultured. That's it, I think. What's the matter with you? He's just entering our lives as Vinnie Barberino, and welcome back Connor too. Mr Cut, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2:You're okay with it.
Speaker 4:Ally.
Speaker 5:I'll take that. I'm into it.
Speaker 4:All right, you've got my interest. Okay, take it.
Speaker 2:Well, ally, you're not the only person that's going to try to pull somebody pre-Star Wars fame, so Carrie Fisher this year actually. I'm totally kidding.
Speaker 5:I'm going to change the swap here. My eyes got real big there for a second.
Speaker 4:Charlene.
Speaker 2:Prince, okay, no, I'm going to pull you, mark Hamill here.
Speaker 5:Okay, okay, you know I'm not mad about that.
Speaker 2:Now we all know him eternally as Luke Skywalker. We also know him as the Joker in the animated version.
Speaker 2:So we know that he has a penchant for playing crazy unhinged individuals. So I think and before this you know he's been in a lot of teen movies and stuff leading up to this and he made a lot of appearances on TV, which is just kind of the way of the 70s You're in a lot of gun smoke and stuff, just being that character of the week kind of thing. So I think with this you're getting some of that character actor that Mark Hamill has confessed that that was his plan was like I'm going to be a character actor, I'm going to do voice acting, and then Star Wars just happened. So I think we get that early taste of this in this role before he goes on to be Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's fair, that's my, that's my pitch to you, corey. I want to.
Speaker 4:I want to kind of like a fame.
Speaker 2:He's like a early Daniel Radcliffe a little bit like a, like a unhinged, like it's Radcliffe after Harry Potter.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying, like, whereas Mark Hamill just disappeared for a few years, like he's like okay, I got to get this Luke Skywalker stink off of me, daniel Radcliffe's just like what are the weirdest movies in Hollywood?
Speaker 2:Strap guns to my hands and we play a video game. So play weird Al Yankovic. Brilliant Weird Al Yankovic.
Speaker 4:So um, all right, okay, got some big ones here. The choice is your here, corey.
Speaker 2:Do you want to dance with Travolta or do you want to? Do you want to deal with the devil inside of Mark Wahlberg or Wahlberg?
Speaker 1:Mark.
Speaker 4:Mark Hamill. A little early for Wahlberg here. I don't want to dance with Mark.
Speaker 1:Wahlberg at all.
Speaker 4:His weird T-Rex arms. All right, the clocks are ticking. Love you, mark. Um, I, he's got to be Travolta. Okay, going Travolta. All right, that's fair, I want it, I want it, and let's let's just not muddy it up to a too much Star Wars. Then we come off as those people that only know Star Wars actors.
Speaker 2:So I'll erase the next three picks of mine, james.
Speaker 1:Earl Jones.
Speaker 5:Oh God, peter Mayhew, oh you out of nowhere. I guess they don't want him for the sun.
Speaker 2:That's okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Moving on.
Speaker 2:I'm excited for Travolta in this role.
Speaker 4:I think it could be fun, guys, I will say this while we're on Charlie Prince still I might. I'm still on the chess piece. I mean he's still, it's Travolta, but I absolutely love the last scene because again, there's a lot of ambiguity that somehow Charlie Prince just knows.
Speaker 2:Oh, that Ben's going to kill him. That Ben change, he swaps it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the shot's great. Where he stops, nothing's been said, there's no sound of a clicking gun. He just stops and turns around and does he barely, barely turns yeah.
Speaker 2:He's covered in blood to get to this man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and he now knows. Oh, he's going to shoot me.
Speaker 2:It turns out Ben waits faster. What he kills? Everyone he does. He murders his entire gang.
Speaker 4:He kills everyone before Ben Foster hits the ground because he catches Ben. Foster Right he shoots him again and shoots him again with his own Scofield. I'm not a gun guy, but Scofields are kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Okay, those are the ones that open up halfway. Well, these are iconic kind of guns. They got crosses on them and stuff. Yeah, I just like the.
Speaker 4:I like I don't know anything about it. I showed they said Scofield at one point and he's like when he opens his gun it doesn't come out to load it like comes in half oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh, that's a when you, when you can individualize a gun and make it personal to the character. That's when it's fun, when you're just going. Well, he's using a blubber, blurs. Like I don't care, I'm going to go to IMDB trivia. It's just like half like guns.
Speaker 4:They use this gun.
Speaker 3:That wasn't made until 1972 actually, oh gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:I'm so happy now. All right, travolta is going to be an unhinged dancing cowboy here. All right, that brings us to our top three here. Got to do the hard one here. The teenager.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:William Evans, played by Logan Lerman.
Speaker 3:You ever been to Dodge City? No, stop talking to him. You're going to be stuffing those cards. I took you for a pro A practice law.
Speaker 4:I can tell Very much the heart of this story because all I mean Dan Evans. He wants to save his farm, but more than anything he just wants the respect of his oldest child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who does not respect him at all? No, not at all, he is. He is an angsty teenager.
Speaker 4:Yes, he is he is listening to whatever the old West equivalent of my chemical romance is he's going to the saloon to listen to whatever.
Speaker 2:Yalterative, if you will.
Speaker 4:Yalterative Nice, that was a good one. And yeah, and he's just mad at his one like a dad who's killing himself to save this farm. Kind of ungrateful, so all right, most teenagers are. But Logan Lerman Perks of being a Wallflower Fury Bullet Train and he was Percy Jackson.
Speaker 2:That's right he was All right.
Speaker 4:He's got quite a resume there.
Speaker 2:He does. He's one of those teen actors that you know. He picks really good stuff. He picks good stuff.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he does, I really like him he didn't really ram himself down our throats either.
Speaker 4:So he just kind of pops up every now and then.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 4:You're not so bad. I like you, I'm going to ask him to be the next James Bond, like 10 years from now. I'm like oh yeah, logan Lerman, so Maybe that kid had something.
Speaker 2:He's got some moxie.
Speaker 4:I get him confused with the ready player. One kid I shared him. Yeah, yeah, I get him confused sometimes how he's like oh, what I mean? I just, I just think they're both like brunette teenage boys.
Speaker 2:Gotcha and I'm just like yeah, I was. They all blend together at some point.
Speaker 4:So, all right, cool, yeah. So we just need really an angsty teenager here. But who's going to? He's got to sell the ending where he really comes around, on his dad. You know.
Speaker 2:Good luck Allie.
Speaker 4:And so we loosen the rope here on the rules because there's only so many teenagers acting in the 70s here, and so we got to, we got to expand. So if you're, if you know of an actor who's at least in a movie somewhere in this vicinity, yeah. And can fall in the age range.
Speaker 2:OK, we're open to it, got it.
Speaker 4:Nick you made it.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't know, you didn't, you lost Did not. No, you did not.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad Sorry, he's just sitting over there with some confidence.
Speaker 5:So I know, yeah, I have no confidence in this one. I'll be 100% honest, I had a really tough time with this one. Ok, I kept on trying to find somebody around this this time you know this in the 70s that just would. There were several that I thought of where I was, just I hadn't really seen a whole lot that they were in and, honestly, my choice. I haven't seen a whole lot that he's in either, but we're going to go forward with it. Ok, I'm going to give you Danny Bonaducci, who is in the Partridge family. The only movie that he's in this year is Baker's Hawk, and he's like bottom of the tier list, so I'm going to go ahead and take him out of that and put him on in here.
Speaker 2:Interesting. I think it would be a little a little interesting Red haired son, yeah, I feel, and at that point he didn't look super.
Speaker 5:I mean he looked young. Obviously he was a teenager, but he didn't look like a kid.
Speaker 2:He wasn't the little boy. Yes, people may know him from Partridge family, from my understanding.
Speaker 5:Yes, I know you don't like to lie to me, but we will see, you didn't go up watching the Partridge family. I know I did not, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to figure out what instrument he played in the Partridge family.
Speaker 5:Looks like no idea. I wish I could. I've got him with bases and guitars.
Speaker 4:Is he the bass player for the Partridge family? He is. You're pulling the bassist from Partridge family. Sure, yeah, let's go for it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's why he can still slap the bass and also be a sassy little teen.
Speaker 4:How old is he in 1976?
Speaker 5:He is 17, if I'm not mistaken. Okay, yeah, he's 17.
Speaker 4:He's not going to look as goofy as he did in the Partridge family. No.
Speaker 5:Again, from my understanding, I could have done my research incorrectly. All right, no, that's fine.
Speaker 4:No, and did? He? Bought a douche?
Speaker 5:He's got itch he does. I think that he could be sassy and I think that he could just be kind of a swollen teenager who's upset at his dad and has no respect for him.
Speaker 4:That's fair. No, okay, I've Googled him in 76. He looks normal.
Speaker 5:Okay, good, I'm glad my research was correct. Well, Allie.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take your Partridge family son. I'm going to raise you another Partridge family son.
Speaker 5:You're serious and I'm going to bring you David Cassidy. I was thinking about him too. Now David Cassidy is older.
Speaker 2:He's in his 20s. So, we're going to beef him up a little bit. We'll make the idea that he's like I should have more responsibility around here. I should take the reins from you, one-legged man kind of thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you could rewrite it to where he's trying to move out and be on his own, but it's got to help his one-legged father. Yeah, exactly, like you're holding me back. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:He's like you should. Let me run the ranch, dad, and let me make the decisions now.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm going with. I can see that.
Speaker 2:And David Cassidy he's a big name in the 70s.
Speaker 5:He is a big name.
Speaker 2:I think you're going to pull in some other demographics, if you will, into this western.
Speaker 4:Valid point. I can't believe you guys just brought me to people for.
Speaker 5:That is actually really funny.
Speaker 2:It was Charlie Bucket, so that's what we had for you.
Speaker 4:Peter Ostrom.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I would have been in good one.
Speaker 2:Pulled him out of retirement.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I wanted to respect his retirement, so that's why I didn't cast him.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to respect him.
Speaker 4:It doesn't matter with you guys.
Speaker 5:No, I wanted to be sorry for being respectful.
Speaker 2:There's enough. Corey hates respect. I suppose so Farm vets in the world.
Speaker 4:We needed more child actors in the 70s.
Speaker 2:We really did. Yeah, okay, it's because they all the bad news bears just now happens too, and none of those kids stuck with it. No, none of them.
Speaker 1:Just date them yeah.
Speaker 4:Man. They all just acted, made their money, went to college and got real jobs.
Speaker 2:The nerve of these guys. Well-balanced individuals.
Speaker 4:Man, okay, okay, I don't like either of them.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, so the whole time you're waiting for the choice Pull the car over the whole time.
Speaker 4:You're just waiting for David Cassidy to sing.
Speaker 2:That's why it's good, though it's a gritty thing. It's unexpected.
Speaker 4:It's like that. It's like the scene from Holy Grail where he keeps breaking out of the song and Dana's like Nope, Nope, Nope. At the intro, Volta's gonna start dancing a little bit.
Speaker 2:He's like, Nope, it's not, but that's why it works though. It's because he's, he's this cocksure, young per individual gets thrown into this true West and that's why a part of his family character is going to work, because you're like, oh my gosh, he's Brad. I had Bush tells you see what the world's really like.
Speaker 4:There's no songs here, corey, okay listen, I can either choose Bonaduce here, I can choose chaos.
Speaker 2:What's chaos Are you gonna?
Speaker 4:have an override.
Speaker 2:You have an override, but is it? Is it the override?
Speaker 4:It's a controversial override, possibly the most bold thing ever done on this podcast.
Speaker 5:Oh, gosh what do you do?
Speaker 2:What have we done?
Speaker 4:We're proposing I'm proposing of taking someone out of a very renowned film by just universally renowned, costing them their first Oscar nomination, and pulling them out of my favorite live action Disney film of all time. I want to gender swap this and make a Jodie Foster.
Speaker 1:Oh okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, out of free Friday.
Speaker 4:Yeah, now it's like the dad, the one like a dad forcing the like kind of the gender like stuff on her. Yeah, what.
Speaker 2:I will also point out it's not just freaky Friday, it's also taxi driver.
Speaker 5:It's the first Oscar nomination.
Speaker 4:I literally said this.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I know you did. I know I understand. I just I had to process for a second.
Speaker 4:Oh I, said, disney and Nick Boynton went what I was like.
Speaker 2:There was a.
Speaker 4:Disney movie. This year it's freaky Friday's Disney right. Yeah it's Disney. It's my favorite live action Disney film.
Speaker 2:That's a pivotal year Wow.
Speaker 4:It is, and she's also in Bugsy Malone, which is, I think, a big deal, and Echo of Summer, not quite freaky Friday taxi.
Speaker 2:No, it's not.
Speaker 4:It's not those things, but she made a lot of movies this year and this is where she becomes Jodie Foster.
Speaker 2:Right, right. So you just make her tomboy of the yeah, kind of a forced tomboy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, because one like a dad, other kids too small to help? No.
Speaker 3:I like it too much. It's this angsty thing.
Speaker 1:And she's like you, know, she's like you know like a little boy.
Speaker 4:And at the end you have the father daughter moment. Oh man when he gives the piece of jewelry, the brooch, back, it means more, puts it in her hands and says you're going to be a fine woman like your mother one day. Good, stop making it good.
Speaker 5:Why does that work?
Speaker 2:Because it does.
Speaker 5:Just does. I could see that.
Speaker 4:I'm doing it. Oh man, freaky Friday. Oh my gosh To the ground. Wow, Jodie Foster, it's my override.
Speaker 2:I don't know who's gonna freak out about it.
Speaker 4:You're gonna lose listeners.
Speaker 2:The Scorsese fans the Scorsese fans.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean people. Ash may not come back on the show. I can't believe you've done this yeah he's like screw this, I'm not doing this podcast anymore. It's got too much power.
Speaker 2:We didn't. We did with great power. We took no responsibility.
Speaker 4:I knew exactly what I was doing and I wore Nick. Today I might do something drastic. I had no idea, and it was this. All you care about. Was that my touching Rocky? But no, I'm touching that's what I was like taxi driver yeah yeah, and I'll just say I'll go right right now. It hurts me more to pull her out of freaky Friday than a taxi driver and cost her an Oscar.
Speaker 1:That's what kind of podcast we are.
Speaker 4:I'm saying I think I've said, I think I've set up a story in such a way she could still get that Oscar nomination. She could, we're gonna love this moment at the end, when it becomes the father daughter moment.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you can be a fine woman like your mother and that's all she ever wanted to do. Dang it, man.
Speaker 4:It's too good, it works, it's too good and the Oscar goes to. We take it from Beatrice.
Speaker 2:That's the way I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Networks had enough. It's got three Oscar wins. Take it out of there.
Speaker 4:Jody Foster for three tin humor.
Speaker 2:So signed, sealed and delivered.
Speaker 4:Okay, so if you're still listening, um, you haven't turned the podcast off because of, uh, because, of.
Speaker 2:Corey.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because of me Um move it on. I think we'll just call her Willie.
Speaker 5:Okay, you know, it's like that weird, like it's still kind of a forced boy name, but it's like got a girly tone to it. She's just mad about it. Yeah, maybe her real name is Wilfred or Wilma, wilma, wilma, okay, but she goes about willing, she hates it.
Speaker 4:Okay, got it Got it.
Speaker 1:This is writing itself.
Speaker 4:Damn it All right, if you're still with us. We're on the top two roles here. Going on to Dan Evans, I have never been no hero wait only man, let's see, let me see retreat.
Speaker 3:I fuck up, shot off by one of my own men. You try telling that story to your boy, so you have a good sense of that.
Speaker 4:Give him Ben Wade top billing here. Um, he's, he's, he's, listen it's it's.
Speaker 1:It's a misdesign.
Speaker 2:It's Maria's. He's making the money. He's still earning his strides, so um.
Speaker 4:Dan Evans, like we said, um he uh played by a Christian Bale of. I mean, it's Christian Bale, it's American psycho, it's the dark night trilogy, it's the fighter for Ferrari public enemies, prestige at season studio Ghibli movies. So I mean rain of fire with you.
Speaker 2:He's back down rain of fire with Matthew McConaughey. How could you not, corey, how could you not? Don't act like you're mad about it, I go through my notes and I'm like rain of fire. Somebody's like.
Speaker 4:Oh, that guy. Yeah, it's like the movie where a bald McConaughey like dives and acts into a dragon's head.
Speaker 2:Incredible Allie. Have you seen rain of fire? No, but this has a dragon in it. Oh, there's dragons. They're fighting dragons.
Speaker 4:Dragons take over and the apocalyptic dragons took over the world and Matthew McConaughey and Christian Bale got to save the world.
Speaker 5:Well, gotta add that to my letterbox. You know, let me add that to my letterbox. I got to watch that.
Speaker 4:Christian Bale was essentially chosen by Russell Crowe, james Mangold and Kathy Conrad. Oh, I mean unanimously just said, this guy, um, eric Bono, was an initial negotiations to star opposite of, and we won't mention this name until we get to Benway, because it's a big one. It's a big one. I've never considered um for Dan Evans here, which it wouldn't have sucked, but I don't know, I think we lose some of the prestige.
Speaker 2:Some of the grand guitars?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's Eric. Eric Banner is also one of those guys that was supposed to catch, and just never.
Speaker 2:just never took off. You know had a lot of good movies. He kicked his ass, he did Troy, we lost faith that him is an actor. Oh yeah, Beat it out of him.
Speaker 4:It was supposed to be the passing of a baton and Brad Pitt said I'm not done, dan he would have to business for himself.
Speaker 2:I can read this script like you're supposed to lose. That didn't work for me, brother.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just because this is top two, we got some stuff. Terse dialogue between Ben and Dan in the bar would been as capture taken almost verbatim from the original.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty much, beat for beat, the exact same scene. The dynamics are a little different. Again, it's the way that shot. It makes you more aware that Dan is aware that the posse is coming to collect him, so he's killing that time. And then the original movie. He doesn't seem to be that aware of it. He's just like kind of annoyed and you really don't know.
Speaker 4:It's kind of like did he know that they're coming or is he just get lucky here? Right, hey, does the you make me nervous line in there? Yes, it is, I like that. That's a good line. Yeah, that is a good line.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of good lines in this movie. The second time through I was like because it could ride that edge of like ah, it's a little forced. But I was like no, no, a lot of these work really well. And like Christian Mills delivery to his wife, to Alice. Right before he leaves the last words he tells her he's like I've been praying to God for three years and he ain't answering.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Like that hits yeah, that's a really good line. That's a desperate man yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4:All right, Well, Christian Bale, yeah. So David's farm is given an opportunity to raise that cash by transporting notorious outlaw bin lane to Yuma to put or no to put them, or to what is that town Constance?
Speaker 2:Constance, constance De Noble. No, it's not that one.
Speaker 4:I don't know, it's got a C word and and it's like a word, yes and just put them on the train to Yuma, where he will be Right.
Speaker 2:So one of those Western names that shouldn't be like a town's name, but it is a town's name, it's a constipation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:It's something weird.
Speaker 4:So just like someone contention, contention get him to contention, to put him on the three ten to Yuma.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I love that the train is late in this movie.
Speaker 2:By the way, it's on time. In the original they're like all right there.
Speaker 4:It is Like in this movie. It's like we've just got through this town and we've had been shot at 300 times.
Speaker 5:Where's the?
Speaker 4:stamp train. You can't tell if he's freaked out or having a good time. He's like this is exciting, but also I might die. He's late.
Speaker 2:So just to really to know, in the original I will say the original actors you have Glen Ford playing the Ben Wade role and then the original actor to play Dan Evans was Van Heflin. He's a little rougher of a guy but like it is more that just regular kind of white-headed cowboy. Like there's not as much of the background about the leg and stuff and actually I don't even think the leg is a part of it.
Speaker 2:Like he's just. He's just like a cattle rancher that's just happens to need money. So like adding the leg and the whole thing about trying to prove himself and never having a moment you know when he, when he, has that showdown. It adds so much to the character.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it's like he's lost his leg. The country just gave him 200 bucks for it and I like the line so they could walk away. So I could walk away, so they can walk away and I was like that was a good line and so, yeah, this character is very, very dense in this version and kind of perfect, and Christian Bale is really perfect for the role. So that brings us to the last person to make. It was Allison.
Speaker 2:Yes, before Corey intervened.
Speaker 4:and was me destroyed the 70s.
Speaker 2:Single handedly.
Speaker 5:All righty. So Dan Evans. So I decided to. You know this person, so he's been known for a couple of things. He was in Tombstone. He was also in a Star is Born, the newer one I cannot. For some reason I did not write down more things that he's in, so please don't come for me. I am going to give you Sam Elliott. Sam Elliott would be an interesting, like a downtrodden, just dejected Sam Elliott would be really interesting within this role that plays.
Speaker 2:I can see that.
Speaker 4:Really interesting, considering he has like one of the strongest mustaches and heads of hair.
Speaker 5:Bless.
Speaker 4:We would. That's true, he does have a Bassett hound quality he always seems sad.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he does. He's always seemed like, and he's only in one movie this year called Lifeguard, and apparently it was not very. If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't. Yeah, he's not a big thing, he's still on the TV route.
Speaker 2:He's, you know streets of San Francisco, hawaii, 5.0. Like you're not really seeing him take off yet, until the 80s. It seems like there's TV movies and stuff. I'm trying to even see like what would be his first big movie like Roadhouse I guess he does Roadhouse and Prancer in 89. And there's a quick and the dead version of TV movie version of it.
Speaker 4:He's in mask, so the mask is great. Yeah, he's great. Ok, so maybe that's where it really started to.
Speaker 5:So maybe jumpstart his career a little bit early and maybe get him some more stuff throughout the rest of the 70s and the
Speaker 2:80s.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think it would be a fun time. Did you look at Lifeguard?
Speaker 4:Yes, he looks incredible. I know, yeah, he does. It's like. So like ripped Sam Elliott off.
Speaker 5:Yeah, when I was researching this, I saw that the full movie was on YouTube and I watched a little bit more than I care to admit, because you couldn't stop looking at Sam Elliott.
Speaker 4:He's a babe in the movie is incredible. Yes, he's got like the body of Scott Hall oh wow, yes, ok just Harry Chester. He was a Harry Chester lifeguard.
Speaker 2:Well, it was the 70s. Corey is a different time.
Speaker 4:And it's like if I'm drowning and he grabs you, you're like, let me go, let me go, but don't, don't.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'd be one of those where people pretend to drown, you know, just so that he would come out and rescue them. Oh no, oh no, I'm drowning, I'm drowning in the 70s.
Speaker 4:Yeah, sam Elliott, ok, he looks great. So that's point you, and he does have a bad sit down, quality yeah. And maybe we need to knock him off this lifeguard peg, I didn't know he made movies where he was a hip happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to knock him off a peg here. Or should we keep him in instead, Corey? Take Roy Scheider.
Speaker 4:Damn it, that's good.
Speaker 2:Jaws own Roy. Scheider Another bashing out of a man Jaws, all that jazz, the French connection Sorcerer.
Speaker 4:Sorcerer. When is Sorcerer? I believe it's the year after. Ok, it's like Nick yeah we've, we've.
Speaker 2:I made sure, corey.
Speaker 1:So I saw her. Yeah, watch, sorcerer, it's wild. Ok, seventy seven.
Speaker 2:Corey yeah, this year he's in Marathon man, but he's not Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 4:But he's the he's the Nazi dentist, nick. Oh, come on, nick, he's the Nazi dentist. Is it that important?
Speaker 2:Yes, other Nazi dentists that we can choose.
Speaker 4:Wait, hold on. No, never mind. Lawrence Olivier is the Nazi dentist.
Speaker 2:OK sorry.
Speaker 5:Sorry OK.
Speaker 4:I was the first time. I was thinking he's the Nazi dentist. But wait, he's too young to be a dentist.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:OK, that's Lawrence Olivier. Ok, we're. Fine.
Speaker 2:He's Henry Doc Levy in the movie I was at.
Speaker 4:Doc and I was like see the dentist, so no.
Speaker 2:I was worried because I didn't have time to watch Marathon man. It was on my list and then I was like, oh well, I'm just going to shoot in the dark here. He's not the lead and he doesn't seem like he's that important in the movie. So someone in the 70s film some cinephiles like now has turned it off because we said Marathon man is not that important. But no, I think for the same kind of reasons. Yeah, he's. He's kind of a Christian bail of his own time in ways like he usually plays somewhat of a never man, someone with broken characters and stuff like in in Jaws, as we talked about previously in other episodes that Allie Dell has been a part of. But yeah, I just think he has the right vibe for it, like he's going to really lean into the whole idea of a broken civil war vet. That needs a win.
Speaker 4:I am. These are both great in different ways and it's like I know Sam Elliott can do a Western Like you didn't. Yeah, we know that Like it's safe, boy Shrider's got chops for days.
Speaker 2:And he's, and he's good at acting.
Speaker 4:Crap this one's hard. Sam Elliott's good at acting and he may have more of one lane, and I think here's the problem. I think that one lane hurts him.
Speaker 2:Simulates Lane.
Speaker 4:He is a basset hound of a man, but at the same time it's like he's a basset hound that can handle his own. I don't really.
Speaker 2:It's hard to see You're saying he's too. It's too believable.
Speaker 4:He's too tough. He would just feel like he would just absolutely just.
Speaker 2:We got to be tough, corey to like stay on a piece of land for 10 years and try with one leg. Take out a few guys while you're on the way.
Speaker 5:And you got to be tough to get him to that train. I'm not interrupting, I'm just letting it go. Yeah, go for it, nick, continue. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Like Roy Shrider is great, but it's like it's one of those. It's. The conundrum of this, of this podcast, is where you're like there's the choice that you have, but then sometimes you're also like, well, what's the best fit for the 70s? Or like what works best in the time period, or what seems to make the most sense, you know.
Speaker 4:I do kind of want to pull Sam Elliott out of this lifeguard movie and tell him to get back in his place.
Speaker 2:Is he too old? Let me. What's it called? It's called lifeguard. He looks like he's having a great time in Southern California. Cuz if he's too pretty. That's the thing.
Speaker 5:I wouldn't say that. I mean he's a handsome man, but I wouldn't call him pretty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's too, like cuz you want him to look a little little unsheveled.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty I'm not handsome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's handsome, Okay he's handsome and he's not like oh my god, like you know he would be. He would be a pretty solid lead actor for a movie at this point in time, like I think that that's might be why he gets so hard in the 80s, cuz he's a little age, he's got some some salt and pepper going on.
Speaker 4:No, fine, I'm giving it to Sam Elliott. You didn't defend Roy Shiter at all. You're like you sound like you just completely lost faith in him once.
Speaker 2:Sometimes people just come with better choices, like, not like my choice was bad, I was just like you know, yours was a solid choice. Well, this works it. I like it. I like the idea.
Speaker 4:I'll tell you who I would have gone with I had like, because obviously I have back pocket picks up. Yeah, I didn't want to do detonate the Jody Foster nuke, but I would have got this guy named William Devane it's all I can think to tell you to uncultured swine is he's the president, and dark night rises for ten seconds the president.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the president goes on.
Speaker 4:TV.
Speaker 3:Oh like this way he's watching in the whole prison.
Speaker 4:Okay, I just, I only know it because I go every time it's like hey, it's William Devane, oh, okay, but William Devane, he was in the Bad news bear sequel. Not this year, the next year, because they couldn't get Walter Matthow but he's also a marathon man. Gotcha but again when I like kind of run down, it's like he's not the Nazi doctor.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 4:Okay, interesting, he's also a bassit out of a man, but I also think he's not necessarily tough. Gotcha but right now he hawks gold on daytime television. I believe so. Um all right. That brings us to bin Wade.
Speaker 3:I always liked you by. You never knew when to shut up. Even bad men love them almost.
Speaker 4:Played by Russell Crowe. I mean, we're in peak, russell Crowe here. Yes, I mean he, he hits gladiator and he doesn't stop until, like American gangster pretty much, which is like next year, this is the same year.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, he backed up.
Speaker 4:what a same year, yeah she's making movies with Denzel and bail. Yeah, right man. Why did he have to go get fat and stop doing good? I don't know he did nice guys. He did do nice guys. Nice guys is incredible. But now he's making, like the Pope, horror movies.
Speaker 2:He's having fun. He was trying to be Jekyll and Hyde.
Speaker 4:He's like. All I ever really want to be was in B Hormes. I wasn't gladiator, people loved it and like confidential.
Speaker 2:It's annoying attaching me to stuff. I was Robin Hood and it wasn't very good. Yeah, it wasn't very good one, all right, all right, but it's Russell Crowe.
Speaker 4:We're peak Russell Crowe, but yeah, nice guys, lame is a Rob Ellie, confidential gladiator, beautiful mind. Oh, that's not, guys, lame is a Rob Crowe. Do y'all love or hate it?
Speaker 2:I go against the grain a lot of music. People hate him in that movie because they're like.
Speaker 5:Oh, I loved him. I love that movie. I didn't mind him apparently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I meant. Correct me if I'm wrong internet, but I believe in the original. Aim is like both, that character is also a tenor, so in the confrontation scene when I listen to it it's hard to pick out the voices, but when he does and he's got the bass voice with Hugh Jackman's tenor, it just flows so much better.
Speaker 4:I loved it. Yeah, I like that he is a bassier voice and I like Russell Crowe going for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I we know a lot of theater people who were just like Russell Crowe was horrible in that movie and I'm like, yeah, you're horrible at acting. Enjoy, enjoy it. Now it's over.
Speaker 5:I'm just saying I like it anyway, but way, and then is right.
Speaker 4:So Binway. Binway is essentially I get, I like it, it's the flip. He is essentially the prototypical gobble here. He's the fastest gun. Yeah he is the most dangerous dude.
Speaker 5:He's philosophical, he's an artist, he's like the educated dude, read the Bible in three days.
Speaker 2:This is mama. Read the Bible this is his origin story.
Speaker 4:She's like hey, yeah, like what, what could? What book can I really sour on this kid? Right now I'm gonna buy a ball.
Speaker 2:She just was trying to find the long book Corey.
Speaker 4:This is as long as book I could find, so All right. Yeah, played by Russell Crowe Brilliantly. It's great we get the big arc here because he is the villain and his thing is he comes to respect. Yeah, captain you know and essentially willingly, gets on the train at the end, despite the fact that he doesn't have to yeah. My biggest problem with this movie is they do the stupid horse whistle which I feel like oh, it does not. I would have preferred ambiguity that we know he can escape.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is he?
Speaker 4:going to escape. He makes the decision.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that's the thing, like I think he's. He says earlier, it's like I've escaped twice already and I think the whistling of the horse isn't so much that he's gonna hop off the train, I think it's that he's just. The horse is gonna follow him to you. That's what I'm saying, I think he's making.
Speaker 4:It's telling you I plan on escaping from you much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and.
Speaker 4:I would have rather like left that open, oh.
Speaker 5:I see a patient of like does he?
Speaker 2:just say does he like?
Speaker 4:go face his death in the way he just watched this guy face his got it because it's the right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I see it, I hated.
Speaker 4:I hate the horse whistle at the end. That's it.
Speaker 2:But everything else about that yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, man, it's a good ending the music.
Speaker 2:The train just chugging in the background as he slowly pulls the gun on the team.
Speaker 4:Oh man, so good. Russell Crowe was the first choice for Ben Wade was not the first choice for Ben no. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Well, says was oh, first choice after.
Speaker 4:Tom Cruise. Tom cruise dropped out yeah putting it to turn around, and then it was crow that got it back up and running.
Speaker 2:Which makes sense, because the movie I forgot to mention on mangled's His filmography is night and day. He directed that one with him and Kim and he is good. There's a connection with that. Leave that off list, yeah bad. It's fun.
Speaker 4:It's. It's kind of like a war on.
Speaker 5:You watch it about it.
Speaker 4:That's the thing, most of Tom Cruise movies are really good and you're like no. Anyway, anyway, they work together, actually could have just been in this movie and yet you are. Why Hot takes all around so I would have loved to have seen, though his one heel turns. Not my favorite. I don't love the movie collateral.
Speaker 2:Why do you know shame, shame most people love that movie.
Speaker 4:I don't think it's great, so I'm maybe he would have been well here yeah maybe I, maybe he doesn't do well here, maybe I'm glad Russell Crowe got it.
Speaker 2:Listen, it works so well. Crowe does such a good job. Yes, he really does, because it because, unlike, unlike Glen for which I you know, I don't want to talk of ill, of the dead, but I just feel like it works so much better and he's much more charismatic.
Speaker 2:Yeah like Linford just kind of plays, plays it just straight, and you're kind of like, okay, that's fine. But like this one, you're like I get why these women are falling for him and I get why, why his wife's kind of sitting there going like, well, he's not what I expected, yeah.
Speaker 4:And I do like that. They like the analytic characters to a Western villain here, and I think they're planning these seeds where we as the audience are, we like, we kind of like think over and over again, like, oh, we're about to see the good come out, we're about to see the good, yes, yeah but then, like, then he follows it up by something horrendous yeah you know the guy in the middle of the night.
Speaker 5:You know Peter Fonda.
Speaker 4:Yeah and all this stuff and like murders the dude in asleep and so it's like so and he keeps coming back to like y'all think I'm capable of good, but I'm not yeah rotten and like the hotel scene is incredible because the kids like you saved us from he's like no, I say myself you know.
Speaker 5:And then he's like you, save us.
Speaker 4:And so I was like, if I had a gun, I would have shot you first.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So you kind of believe him like oh okay, so Roscoe is a bad dude right. Dan might be in real trouble now.
Speaker 2:I think there's a little denial there, but I do like we've we. He's proven with his actions over his words that, like yes, I'm capable of bad things for sure.
Speaker 4:Speaking of the ending, we've already mentioned that, like it is different than the 57 version, but we get some real time here once the clock strikes three in the movie, it's exactly 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, that's cool, I don't fight and getting to the station.
Speaker 2:Pretty neat, I also they. They the set. Those sets were unfinished and that's why they're running through those unfinished houses, but they were just like now, let's just work with it. Well, you're like, yeah, there was there was.
Speaker 4:They were building houses in tune. Yeah yeah, no one questioned that. It's just a burgeoning community. So you but you're kind of like that's some pretty modern architecture. Got some modern framing going on interesting so wow, every time I see it, I just assume that's the case. I'm like, oh, they didn't finish this building, so I don't think that there was a director's choice. I'm like let's make the town look unfinished Because it's like why? And then the director just says, cuz we're out of time dipshit, I.
Speaker 2:Budget. Here the assistant directors like we got to wrap this up, guys like speaking of wrapping this up, let's, let's cast this.
Speaker 4:Ali, you or Nick got same Elliott on the board, I'm not sure which. You threw his name out.
Speaker 2:You're welcome so did.
Speaker 4:Thanks, nick. Nick tapped out on Roy Shider.
Speaker 5:Alrighty. So Ben Wade. So I mean, like we've already said, he's pretty much just a very cool and slick, charismatic villain, and that's something I really liked about him. So I decided to go with somebody who is a free, or he's free within this year. Now, man, I'm gonna give you Steve McQueen, who is known for several westerns that. I have not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's known for being.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's known for being really cool and I think that he could play the character really well. But I also think that it would be interesting to see him show that dark side of Ben Wade and show the you know, like you said, about how he um, you know, he's, he's he. You think that he's about to redeem himself and he ends up not Can and I be cool.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing about McQueen which I'm honestly not like big on McQueen and the way I'm probably supposed to be. Yeah that's just because I've been watched a lot of Steve McQueen movies, same. When he at the end says I have a confession, I've escaped from humor, we all go. Yeah, no prison can keep Steve McQueen in. Every dude is just cheering because of Pepillon and the Great Escape. We're like that's right. No cage can hold McQueen. Yeah, so I do actually like that. That. That's a thing like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so he's the guy who gets out, and he's he's Mr Cool. Yeah, that's just a good way to do.
Speaker 4:That is Mr Cool guy. If he is a bad guy, he's also gonna draw naked women, like Leo de Caprio for sure, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna just be like yeah, okay. No, I like it. He's gonna be a cultured villain Interesting.
Speaker 2:Interesting. I think it'd be fun.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, all right, I'm in. I'm countering with one of the biggest names of the 70s. He is in a movie that I'm gonna really read into how Corey feels about it. Gorm, give you Jack Nicholson. He's in a movie with Marlon Brando this year called the Missouri Bricks, also a Western, but it's more. It seems more light-hearted, kind of goofy, as opposed to what we're going for here. It seems like every Western that he's kind of labeled with like going south and stuff, it's more like it's leans into comedy or so it's a light-hearted. So I would love to see Jack Nicholson in an actual serious Western and I think, for all reasons stated like, I think Jack Nicholson can lean into it. He, he can play into his more creepy side and play into his more charismatic side when needed and, you're gonna believe, when he's like I was shot, you kid, kind of stuff.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I could see Jack Nicholson in that, in that character as well.
Speaker 4:So the question I feel about Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 4:The thing is this not Nicholson has kind of a horrible Western run he does.
Speaker 2:He's never been in a great Western.
Speaker 4:Western. Yeah, and I've only seen little pieces of Missouri Bricks. It's Marlon Brando looks so damn ridiculous in his wardrobe.
Speaker 2:He's got long hair and like clean, shaven face it's like white tassled jacket.
Speaker 4:It looks like he's going to like 80s country prom, it's very strange yeah it's, it's, it's it takes you out of it for sure.
Speaker 2:It's not what you expect when you think of Brando and Nicholson like Western.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't look, this is the opposite of.
Speaker 4:He's like the Charley Prince. He's been hired. He's like going to get. He's like the guy on the mission. Okay, it's supposed to be the dangerous guy, though I think technically the good guy. Yeah, nicholson's the horse thief, but like I it Pardon me like questions. Can Nicholson make a good?
Speaker 2:thing Because he's not it. We're trying to help him, or is it more like he's just chosen bad? I think he's just chosen bad ones. I think for every good movie he's in in the 70s, he just has a bad Western right around the corner.
Speaker 4:You've both nailed, nailed this.
Speaker 5:It's like yeah she both nailed it, it's just like both really good.
Speaker 4:I can't think of a better person, because I didn't. I didn't actually have a back pocket one for this. I knew I was gonna do the Jodie Fox. I knew I was doing this yeah, um, this is maybe hoping one of you would play the Jodie Foster bomb and I wouldn't have to cowards um. I just think it's. I'm gonna go Nicholson. That's fair, but it's not because I'm a Nicholson mark.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:I do think that you have to have the unhinged edge. Yes, where Steve McQueen? We just know he's gonna turn at the end. We know, we, we.
Speaker 2:It's gonna play a bit too much like the old one. Okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4:We anticipate him turning at the end and being good yeah, and when? Nicholson again the whole time, like he may not get on that train.
Speaker 2:And when Nicholson gets those guns from from from Charlie Prince from Travolta, yeah, and they have that. Stare down real quick. He's gonna take them all out, yeah, and it's gonna be fun for Jack Nicholson to like give the rub to Sam Elliott.
Speaker 1:For a big roll you know yeah.
Speaker 5:I'm in.
Speaker 2:I like this.
Speaker 4:This is fun.
Speaker 5:This is a good one.
Speaker 4:This is a good one, all right, I'm gonna read the cast from bottom and top, but I'm gonna put, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna put it out there. I mean, we're a theoretical podcast, so don't yell at us people. This isn't actually happening, virginia, you must know in 2007 and the 70s are still intact.
Speaker 4:But I do question, because we always you know, this is all based on that game all movie lovers play. I'm like, oh what if this get this person played this person? You know? Um, I think this casting would actually have the most damage to the timeline Than any cast we've ever done. You're not wrong, I don't it's not just the Jodi foster thing I just want to point out. I mean, yes, I have left a crater in the mid 70s, but there's a lot that actually like Okay, let's read it.
Speaker 4:All right, coming in with Emin Elson, we have fade done away All right. Tucker, the very psychopathic dude played by Ed Louder perfectly, who plays a good psychopath. Zeke. Luke Wilson's part is played by Jack Palance. Um, byron McElroy will be played by John Wayne I was way out doing a doing a twofer in his last year in Hollywood here. Doc Potter will be played by Michael Palin. Yes, dude, alice Evans will be played by Sally field. Haha. Grayson Butterfield will be played by a relatively unknown Harrison Ford, before going on to huge fame. Yes, charlie Prince, also being played by a relatively unknown John Travolta before he dances his way in TD star John Travolta white floored hearts Um.
Speaker 4:William Evans will be played by Jodi Foster. Wilma Evans will be played by Wilma Willie Evans. We played by Jodi Foster in a brilliant rewrite of this movie. Dan Evans will be played by Sam Elliott and Ben Wade will be played by Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that works. This is yeah, solid.
Speaker 4:I like it. It's super well rounded. I don't think we're necessarily off the mark anywhere other than like yeah, I think this has real repercussions. 70s.
Speaker 5:Yeah, potentially.
Speaker 2:I think you have to have it come out before the shoot is. I think that's the thing. John Wayne's only gonna agree to it if the shoot is comes out after because that's his swan song.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 4:That's fine or or it comes out second and people are less hard on bruised urchin. Hey, maybe it might change.
Speaker 2:John Wayne he's fully died twice this year. Oh crap, now they're just mad at. Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 4:Jack Nicholson's career just plummets. Oh, no, I told you, we have done something.
Speaker 2:What have we done? Oh no, he doesn't make the shining. Bruce Darden and Jack.
Speaker 4:Nicholson are just just blacklisted for years all of those oscar nominations just gone. Oh wow, he doesn't have a front seat at the oscars anymore.
Speaker 2:We've the Lakers games. Oh man yeah.
Speaker 4:Gone sorry, sorry, jack. Oh that man will die any day now, and I will. I will go into a hole and not come out for weeks. Um, I miss jack Nicholson. I wish he would at least show us that he's okay.
Speaker 2:He was at a Lakers game not long ago.
Speaker 4:It was recently, because it was a big deal people like, hey, jack, he's he's alive, he's okay, he's functioning.
Speaker 2:He's gonna be the one that reads at the Oscars next year yes, Oscars, kimmel, we know you're listening. Make it happen, Get Jack Nicholson out there.
Speaker 4:Yeah we need to see it, so all right. Well, that was three to neuma done in 1976. I think we got jody, foster and oscar Um. Possibly ruin Nicholson's career, but it's fine.
Speaker 2:It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 4:Somebody had to kill John Wayne if nothing else, if you haven't watched three to neuma, go watch it. It's great. It's wonderful, but you are weird for listening to the whole podcast before seeing it. I don't even know how this was entertaining for you.
Speaker 5:You, do you know, that's fine.
Speaker 4:We're judging you silently, Um, just don't text us. And or you know social media saying like we're stupid if you haven't seen it. So you know, that's all. That's all we ask right, right right. Um, but yes, check us out on all the social medias, hit us up on, take talk before it's gone forever At quantum recast? At quantum recast on all of it. Tell us what you loved about it, who you would cast and go watch ghost busters 2. Say good night, nick.
Speaker 1:Good night, nick.