Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
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Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
Hook - 1984: Robin Williams' Misunderstood Classic or Millennial Nostalgia?
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What if 'Hook' was recast in 1984?
Rewind your clocks and get ready to sprinkle some pixie dust as we reimagine the classic film "Hook" with a twist—it's 1984! Joined by the our friend from across the pon, Ash Hurry, complete with his British perspective and charm, we embark on a nostalgic journey through Neverland, re-casting our favorite characters with the era's brightest stars.
As we navigate through the cinematic landscape of 1984, we ponder the staying power of films that continue to resonate with us. Why do certain stories, like those of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys, capture our hearts time and time again? We investigate the emotional depth and critical reception of family-oriented movies, challenging the notion that whimsy can't walk hand in hand with quality. The episode pays homage to the magic woven by the original "Hook" while exploring how the top films and Oscar winners of 1984 could have influenced its early debut.
From the enigmatic Captain Hook to the effervescent Tinkerbell, we find out who could play these iconic characters in the mid 80s! Hit play to see what we ended up with!
TIMECODES:
(00:01:01) Intro
(00:04:17) About the Movie
(00:08:38) Useless Critic Stats
(00:17:04) 1984: Box Office & Oscars
(00:20:59) Notable Films
(00:26:21) What Changes About the Film?
(00:31:10) Casting Rules
(00:35:01) 30 Seconds or Less Casting
Main Cast
(00:41:55) Smee
(00:49:30) Rufio
(00:59:16) Tinkerbell
(01:07:25) Jack
(01:14:18) Hook
(01:24:24) Peter Pan/Banning
(01:39:18) Final Cast
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 6):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Terran Sherwood (@terransherwood)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
Editing by:
Nick Growall
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"Charmer" - Coat
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1991.
Speaker 2Hasta la vista baby, I ate his liver with some father beef. Be outcast, be outcast If I have to fight to grow our case back. My god, the children. What? What Fuck it? The stories are true. His come back to seek his revenge. You must make yourself remember. I believe in you, peter Pan. Congratulations the End.
Speaker 5Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast. It's our first episode of 2024. And we are coming in hot.
Speaker 1So hot right now.
Speaker 5Coming in big. We decided to make a splash this year, but before we do that, hey, we're Quantum Recast, we're on all the social media platforms, all of them At Quantum Recast. We're even on TikTok.
Speaker 3So just you know, go find them.
Speaker 5Nick works really hard.
Speaker 3In the social media world.
Speaker 5So if you hate me and you like, nick, it would be a real slight to me to go and engage with our social media.
Speaker 2Because I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5I do the celebrity face swaps and that's about it. Everything else is pure grow. All Joining us today is Ash from across the pond.
Speaker 3Hello guys, hello, happy new year.
Speaker 5Happy new year. Give some of that sweet sultry accent.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm putting it on. It's over exaggerated.
Speaker 1It's a guy who has a voice, just like ours. He's actually from New Jersey or something. I know that's a spoiler.
Speaker 5But if you clicked on this episode, you see that we're taking 1991's Hook A movie that is near and dear to Nick Grohl's heart and we're taking it back to 1984. I feel like we've really waited on Hook, because this movie matters to you.
Speaker 1I think it's a group mattering. Don't just put me in the corner, I know you just really, I think it's just one of your movies. I love it. It's great.
Speaker 5It's a great movie, but it's definitely one of Nick's movies, I guess. So.
Speaker 1It would be like in your top 10, surely? I don't know.
Speaker 5I can't make that much out of it. I'm not going to break it, I'm going to spot that, but I was six when it came out, so it was definitely right there, man, I had just turned six.
Speaker 5Wow, that's magical. I'm going to say that's what we do here on Quantum Recast. We take a movie and we uproot it out of its original release year and we take it forwards or backwards or sideways or diagonal ways, whatever, and we drop it in a new release year. That's right, because we want to see what that movie would look like if it had come out in 1984 in this case, especially what the cast would look like.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 5So we're just pretty much taking the movie as is and we're going to throw a 1984 cast at 1991's Hook. But before we do that we really got to dive into the movie and we have to also dive into the year of 1984. Because we need to know what 1984 is like.
Speaker 1We got to know what we're dealing with, because I wasn't born in 1984.
Speaker 5I was in my mom, I think. Nope, nope, I wouldn't have even been in my mom. What choice of life is that, corey? I wouldn't have even been in a twinkle in my dad's eye Because I was born late in 85. I have nothing to do with 1984. That's kind of sad. I never thought about that. I have nothing to do with this year. I hate it. All right, the math says my parents did it in March or April of 85.
Speaker 1It's good information to know, yeah.
Speaker 3Come on, everyone's done the math, yeah we all have.
Speaker 5I don't want to do it again. Everyone's done it.
Speaker 1You were a 4th of July guy. My parents were spring people. So, let's talk about Hook.
Speaker 5They did a series which was a series of three-dimensional and a series of four-dimensional, which is just one of many versions of Peter Pan, though this is probably the most creative version of Peter Pan because it doesn't just throw Jay and Barry's story and just recreate it. They kind of make their own narrative out of it. Yeah, it's a continuation. So if you've released December 11th 1991, directed rebellious crew of young actors that he later said only somewhat kiddingly that the experience made him wonder if he ever wanted to have any more kids.
Speaker 1On screen or just in general. It sounds like.
Speaker 5He also felt guilty that he wasn't able to find an economical method of filming the many complex human fight sequences in this movie. However, after Robin Williams death, spielberg says he is now thankful he made this movie, as that was how he met Williams and became good friends with him.
Speaker 1I mean a like I think that the flight sequences of the movie are handled pretty well, given, like, the context and time and place that they're at. But yeah, like I think that's also like a big reason people hold on to this movie so much, especially people close to our age is that it's like peak Robin Williams, in terms of like family friendly Robin Williams, I would say.
Speaker 5So I like it's even Spalber a kettle hard time, but he's glad he made it because you know Q Cinderella's, you don't know what you got till, it's gone so.
Speaker 3It is now gosh.
Speaker 5But based on the 1904 play, a 1911 book by J M Berry. If you've never seen the movie Finding Neverland, it's incredible watch it. You will cry it he will cry, but it's essentially about J M Berry meeting the kids that inspired Peter Pan. Written by James v Hart, I guess mainly the script writer for this credits inspiration on his take on the continuing Peter Pan story to his young son, jake, who one day asked him what would have happened if Peter Pan grew up. That's all good stories. Someone just says, what if?
Speaker 1right, yeah, what if this happened? You're like write that down this guy's son.
Speaker 5It would appear better grown up and this guy's like brilliant.
Speaker 1Melee starts typing away.
Speaker 5It's kind of one of that kid when she grew up it's like hey, so, dad, I never saw any residuals. That was my idea also Nick Castle, and Kerry Fisher was a script doctor.
Speaker 1Yeah, she came in to fix a lot of the tinkerbell dialogue which is maybe why tinkerbell so sassy yeah and the castle, I guess as a director of last starfighter and but he's okay wrote escape from New York.
Speaker 5He wrote all the lost with yeah. Gang of scary looking individuals trying to survive, All right um. This movie originally had the shooting schedule of 76 days and a budget of 48 million. They only spent 48 million. I guess it's 1991 money yeah but production took longer. Expected shooting schedule Expended 116 days and the budget bloated to 80 million. Steven Spocker blames himself for this, saying I began to work at a slower pace than I usually do. He cared it's the kid care, but it made $300 million. So yeah, I mean this is going.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was like the highest grossing pirate theme film until the Pirates of the Caribbean movies so like to say that it was a failure Anything. I don't feel like you can honestly say that if it's making that much more money, but to them it wasn't. It's not the usual Spielberg stuff, so yeah. I guess with his rep, is why it wasn't as big. I guess, yeah, I mean stress part comes after this yes, so it's not.
Speaker 5So you have to wonder what the VHS dollar is, though.
Speaker 1Oh, I'm sure it's crazy it had to be Massive.
Speaker 5This is like the height of the HS.
Speaker 1I'm pretty sure this is that's exactly how I watched it, like we rented it or something, or my parents bought it and then we just played that thing over and over and over again.
Speaker 3Was this, was this before pretty woman? Because was Judea Robots a name when this came out?
Speaker 1I believe pretty woman is right around this yeah, she's a name, for sure.
Speaker 5It's the year before, so she's.
Speaker 1Definitely casting off like this is the new it girl like we definitely bring her in. Hmm, hmm, okay.
Speaker 5Okay ended up making a profit of 50 million for the studio, yet it was still declared a financial disappointment. That is whatever this movie has legs, and when that VHS money came in, they were probably like it's crazy I just looked this up this had a bigger budget than Jurassic Park, Really, yeah 63 million.
Speaker 3I was parking this balloon to 80. So yeah, we're doing, wow.
Speaker 5All right. Well, that means we need to talk about useless critic stats, always like here I am. Db score 6.8 out of 10. Not bad, not bad rotten tomatoes. Wow, critics hated this. I did 29%. That's like almost rotten by our standards right, but a 70% or 76% audience score so people enjoyed this movie if you weren't trying to watch the fantasy movie with analytic eyes, metacritic 52, wait, this is 52 and 71 the audience the critic scores 52.
Speaker 1The audience score was 71.
Speaker 5I didn't even know. Medicritic had an audience score. Well, I remember last time you you were.
Speaker 1It was because the critic score is a 100%er and then they, for some reason, they make the audience one at 10, 10 points. So it's technically 7.1.
Speaker 5That's stupid. That's a critic is dumb, all right. Well, it's a 52 out of 100, with critics. I just rounded the decimal over you know not fun Letterbox 3.4 out of 5. And Ebert, our boy, roger Ebert. Oh god, two stars out of four. Terrible some quotes we've pulled from a old Ebert. Here is the ads for Steven Spielberg hook. Ask the question what if Peter Pan grew up? But the answer, alas, is that then he would probably start a Lou Groom would be a serious retread of a once magical idea.
Speaker 1Somebody had their word of the day.
Speaker 5Because he just confused Peter Pan with Robin Williams is two different people. What an idiot very conflicting here. We get the uncanny suspicion that hook was written and directed according to the famous recipe of the country preacher, who told the folks that it. He told the folks what he was going to tell them, told them, and then told them what he had. Told them what.
Speaker 3What.
Speaker 5Ebert was sipping the sauce something. Yeah, he was. If you can only give hook two out of four stars, you're having an off day.
Speaker 1Yeah, I feel like Ebert's constantly has off days.
Speaker 5We've just decided that he's either having a great day or a bad day for a guy that takes it out on his Reverse guy that gets paid to just go watch movies and all day, all week and then write about them.
Speaker 1He has a lot of bad days.
Speaker 5He really does. I'm pretty sure that's what Ten Tarantino's tenth movies about, because it's about a movie critic. It's just gonna be about Ebert having horrible day. It's gonna be the one process bad or good days and that influences movies.
Speaker 3Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5Disappointed in the stats.
Speaker 1Well, this is the weird thing about hook is that it came out 91, so for all of us it was a very like big part of our child. It seems like that there's a window of time and if you grew up in this window of time and watched it, it's one of your favorite movies. You may, even if you don't look at it from a critical standpoint or like you might sit there, go like this isn't my favorite movie, you still love it, yeah, and everybody on either side of that bubble just kind of just throws a hand something and goes like I don't get it, it's whatever.
Speaker 3Yeah, I kind of agree with you, like we're all similar ages and I think the center mentality sort of trumps the analytical perspective of a movie these days, because those that was a range of Different reviews and scores that were ranging from 20% to 70. So there's there's a conflicting thing about this film. They don't know what it is. I think we kind of do because we've allowed time to do it sting and we look at this. You know, you know Robin Williams, death is definitely Concreted. This film in history is one of the, you know, one of his great films and, I think, a great film in terms of, like historical Spielberg moments. But it's very hard to differentiate between sense mentality and Film analytic. I don't know. So it this film?
Speaker 3for a very great area for me, mm-hmm.
Speaker 5I don't know. I feel like I can take, because I'm not even a fan of nostalgia.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't like it so.
Speaker 5I try to base nothing off nostalgia. I try to like understand that I'm prone to it. Yeah there's things that I can love. Yeah but I feel like I've gotten to a point in life where I can say something's bad right and nostalgic, like nostalgic, but I like it because it was just there and good. Into me this is like no different than labyrinth, it's like I don't know. It's just a good movie, yeah.
Speaker 1I think it's well done. It's the idea that, like kids movies can't be like seen as like critical darlings or like be seen as well-made movies. But I feel like that's just a very like weird stance to take. Like, if you walk into a kids, it's the same people that are like I'm gonna watch this kids movie and it's like, yeah, because it's animated or it's geared towards like families, that it's not gonna be a quality and it's like there's been so many examples, exactly movies that have proven that wrong time and time again and like, if you think about it, like a lot of kids movies do more 90 minutes Than a full, like three-hour movie can judge man yeah granted, this is a much longer family film and that's usually one of the complaints about it is like, oh, it's just so long, and I'm like, but there's so much like attention to detail, like like this time that's my always the thing when I watch this movie.
Speaker 1I'm trying to be like why, where's the critical errors here? Like what, what do people look for in this problem? And maybe that's. I try to take off the nostalgia glasses, but I just constantly say they're going like there's just as much attention to detail. And this is any other Spielberg movie. Yeah, hammerwork is great. That's the set design. I guess they complain that it's unrealistic, but it's very and it's more like a theme park. But, that's kind of what works about you expect yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, I was. I'm a little taken back by the scores.
Speaker 2I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 5I can't tell if this is just a even like letterbox. I think the one that hit me the most was like 3.4 out of 5 because it's a relatively new Service. Yeah, it's, definitely higher, but I still expect him to like at least hit a solid 4. Yeah you know what that's? Just because it's a bunch of millennials watching tick-tock while they're also watching a movie. I'm you know yeah, I guess I should say, jinzy think it's technically a millennium he took you six months, figure out tick-tock so.
Speaker 1He got there in the end. Extensive research.
Speaker 5So all right, nick, why did you pick this movie? Because, I mean, I'm directing, right?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 5But I feel like we chose this movie together.
Speaker 1Collectively, yeah, but I mean it's like you said. It's been discussed amongst the podcast for multiple years now as a potential episode. But I think we were either afraid to do it just because it was near and dear to many people's hearts. But we also try to just think like, where does it fit? Where should we take it? But the reason why I mean I think we've kind of touched on it already a little bit, but it's just like it was a thing from our childhood that we loved a lot growing up and maybe I'm more on that side of it or it's a bigger deal to me than both of you I don't know where you guys. It seems like you both really enjoy it.
Speaker 5I watched this movie ad nauseam as a child. It was just always there, yeah.
Speaker 3Peak time. Yeah, I grew up around what 89? I watched this probably when I was five or six. A few years later with, like Jurassic Park and, yeah, this hit me really hard. It's watching it again. I mean, it's a whole different experience. But yeah, the first time I watched it it was one of the best movies I've ever watched. Honestly, it was just a good ride. It was on par with, you know, like the Goonies and the ET, and it still did what it did in the 80s with Spielberg's film.
Speaker 1So yeah, it was. It was in the rotation with all the other VHS's in my home of like recorded Star Wars movies Back to the Futures and Indiana Jones and stuff like that, so it fit amongst all of that seamlessly to me. And rewatching it now it kind of has the same effect on me that watching like it's a wonderful life does, in the sense that every time you watch it you kind of get a different perspective. And I think that's because, like as a kid, you're watching and you're like, oh, this is a good story and this is fun. But then as you get older you start to relate to you might relate to Jackmore, you might relate to Rufio more, and then you can start to relate to Peter himself and Hook as well.
Speaker 5Like you start to kind of.
Speaker 1It's one of those that just continues to age. Well, I think.
Speaker 5Oh, for sure.
Speaker 1For sure.
Speaker 5Well, that's why we picked this movie, because it's near and dear to our heart and we just, we just have to put ourselves to the ring with these movies.
Speaker 1The answer is Corey, I'm ready to hurt again.
Speaker 3I'm scared, I'm honestly scared to go up against Nick right now.
Speaker 5New year, new you. I know how much this film means to you.
Speaker 3This film means a lot to you, and I love this film too, but, oh my God, I don't know what to say about the castings, though.
Speaker 5We figured, if just start the year off demolishing something that's near and dear to so many people, it'd be perfect.
Speaker 1It's like, hey, rest of the year is easy.
Speaker 3I don't think Penty wants to demolish this, by the way.
Speaker 5But hey, maybe we did good, maybe we're going to give us a really good 1984.
Speaker 1A solid year.
Speaker 3I hope so, I really do.
Speaker 5And so and I think that here we chose 1984 is it's the reason we take any sort of fantasy movie to this year. It's the peak time.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5There's just it's legend and labyrinth and all these other fantasy movies that are, you know, schwarzenegger's making all the Conan movies.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5You know it's, it's, this is where it fits. This is where it fits, which means we need to talk about 1984. We need to get an idea of what's going on in the world of Hollywood in 1984. We're one year away from the greatest year in cinema in 1985, but this is a good lead up here.
Speaker 1It's a nice prequel, it is.
Speaker 5It is. So we got to ask ourselves what was everyone watching? What was the top 10 at the worldwide box office for 1984 releases Movies released in 1984. We're coming in at number 10 with Splash. That's the Tom Hanks movie, yeah, yeah the.
Speaker 3Tom Hanks movie yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah, all right. 9, star Trek 3. Search for Spock, number 8, romancing the Stone. 7, footloose Nice. 6, Police Academy 1. Oh 5, the Karate Kid. I'm just going to disagree with the top four, okay, okay. Cause it's been Karate Kid 4, gremlins 3, indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom. There you go. Ash 2, Ghostbusters and number 1, we're getting a sequel this year Beverly Hills Cop Amazing.
Speaker 1We were at the peak of Eddie.
Speaker 5Yeah, I really like that back half way more than the front half.
Speaker 3Yeah yeah, there's a few interesting films in there, but wow, that's a very iconic year, like if we skipped this yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2Yeah Cool there, yeah Cool there.
Speaker 5All right, yeah, kevin Bacon dancing. Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 3Ralf from.
Speaker 5Machio doing Karate. Yeah, I think that's one of the worst episodes we ever did, in my opinion, because I hate that movie.
Speaker 3Do you hate that film? It's a weird one for me.
Speaker 2Yeah, I like Gremlins 2.
Speaker 5I don't like Gremlins, but that's for a defense of the sequel episode one day. Yeah, yeah, all right. The Oscars, which means what we're all the cinephiles really into. What are all the snobby movie people? It's just loving the Hobbes. Best supporting actress for 1984. Peggy Ashcroft a passage to India. Oh, I've never heard of her or it Supporting actor. I just like completely discredit us every time we get to the Oscars, people can just why am I listening to these guys Supporting actor Hanging Esnior for the killing fields? Never seen it.
Speaker 3I've heard of that movie, actress.
Speaker 5Sally Field oh gosh, Sally Field's a babe. Places in the heart have seen this.
Speaker 3I actually have seen this. See, we're credible. Yeah, and she did great.
Speaker 5Actor F Marie Abraham for Amadeus. Never seen it. This is the reference joke through Last Action Hero.
Speaker 1You've never seen Amadeus, never seen it.
Speaker 5I just know that every time F Marie Abraham shows up in Last Action Hero, they refer to him as the guy that killed last action hero.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, they do. You need to at some point sit down and watch some Amadeus.
Speaker 5Okay, is it epic?
Speaker 1It's very epic. It's just iconic and epic. And yeah, I think it'll. It has its place in pop culture for sure. Oh, again, isn't it? No, no, that's a different guy, I can't remember who.
Speaker 3Oh, I'm a star. I think it was Bill Bex, sorry.
Speaker 1I think it was someone that did that when Amadeus was directed by Milo's foreman, or Milo's foreman.
Speaker 5No idea. The best picture nominees for 1984 movies that came out in 1984.
Speaker 1I'm sorry, just before we get into that, I will say the Milo's foreman. He directed one flu of the Cuckoo's Nest, amadeus man on the Moon and People for Slayer of Flick Some great stuff.
Speaker 5He's got quite a tracker. It's quite a tracker See, like the Daniel Bay Lewis of directors. Maybe just one movie every 20 years.
Speaker 1It looks like it is this guy.
Speaker 5All right, all right. Well, so the nominees for pictures. That's picture of 1984 was the killing fields, a passage to India, places in the heart. All referenced so far a soldier story, but the winner Amadeus. There you go. It's like every except for a soldier story. All the nominees got other awards.
Speaker 2They did.
Speaker 5Yeah, everyone gets it all. Everybody's happy. It's great. I think we're just seeing like a really diplomatic year at the Oscars. All right, all right. Notable films Guys anybody have a movie that we haven't mentioned yet that you just love or think people should see?
Speaker 1What do you got, nick? So I did a little deep diving leading up to this episode, and the new one I discovered, or just witnessed, was Bukkuru Banzai in the Ventures in the Eighth Dimension or the Ventures of Bukkuru Banzai in the Eighth.
Speaker 1Dimension. I can't even properly describe this movie to you other than it's the guy from Robocop and he plays a scientist, slash rock and roll star, who breaks through the Eighth Dimension, communicates with aliens, and now there's like this whole like secret invasion thing where they're trying to take over and he's combating them with Jeff Goldblum and it's got a pretty wild cast in here because it's got him, it's got Christopher Lloyd. The guy who voices Mr Krabs is in it. I mean, just keep.
Speaker 3I'm reading it. You had me at Jeff Goldblum, but what is an Eighth Dimension? I thought we only had four.
Speaker 1It's a fun 80 science title, that's what it is I'm in.
Speaker 3I mean you've sold it to me.
Speaker 5I should say that Clancy Brown is the gentleman that, thank you. We'll not just leave him on guy that voices Mr Krabs. No, it's a lot of people John Lispy and Chris from Lloyd. It's got a lot of like character actors like Vincent Cheyvellian, dan and Aya. And then there's the Nazi from Indiana Joneses in this movie.
Speaker 1Oh, that's right yeah.
Speaker 5It's got a little bit of everybody yeah.
Speaker 1Ash, what do you have on the list?
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean nothing as crazy as that, but I'm definitely going to find that movie and put it on the watch list. But no, yeah, there was a film that got remade in the last 10 years called Red Dawn. I don't know if you guys have seen it. It's a John Milley's film, Basically. Yeah, it's got Patrick Swayze and it's just a bunch of kids in America, suburban America, and basically it's like the dawn of World War III. Why it's called Red Dawn and they basically get together and basically fight the enemy who you know, I think is actually unknown. It's quite a good movie in terms of when it was released, at the right time, and then they remade it with I don't know what year they remade it I want to say 2014 or something and I had Josh Peck, Chris Hemsworth and it wasn't as good, unfortunately.
Speaker 3No, I love the idea of much better.
Speaker 5No, red Dawn is like a really well made movie. Yeah, opening scenes like one of the most disturbing things.
Speaker 1It's dark it is.
Speaker 5It's a wild.
Speaker 1I went through watching it and I was just like nobody's having a good time with this, but also the Russians are so inept that they can't take out these kids hiding in the mountains.
Speaker 3Yeah, we'll see the Russians.
Speaker 5Is it Russian? I feel like they like.
Speaker 1It's a combo Russian Cuba right, it's like either Mexico or Cuba or something.
Speaker 5I don't think they ever say anything. It's the Russian.
Speaker 3It's the 80s, we can assume. Yeah, they were East in Europe.
Speaker 5Yeah, it's the 80s. That's who we were afraid of.
Speaker 1A quick fun fact for you, Ash, before we get Corey thick. But I have been to the town that they filmed a lot of the scenes of, like the internment camp. Are you joking me? Las Vegas, New Mexico, not actual Vegas, but they filmed movies like no Country for a Woman there. They used the drive-in movie theater that I went to watch a couple movies at for the internment camp of that movie.
Speaker 3It's insane, very jealous man. What about?
Speaker 5you, Corey. It's 1984. I've seen everything except for Almedas. I mean. It's purple rain, it's revenge with the nerds, it's Terminator, it's one of the best Friday of the 13th. It's everything. Street's a fire.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's good to hear. Oh my gosh this is Spinal Tap.
Speaker 5It's a stupidly good movie. But 16 Candles how did that not make the top 10? What were people doing in 1984?
Speaker 1They're watching all of these good movies, corey, yeah, they had to spread it out.
Speaker 5Either way, I'm just going to recommend a movie Just for anyone that just into like some, maybe some weird stuff.
Speaker 1Okay, called Run Away, run Away.
Speaker 5Run Away, 1984's Run Away. It's a Tom Selleck movie. Okay, I've watched this is because it's the first movie that basest for kiss Gene Simmons was in. And he plays the villain. Oh my gosh. And it's like a future movie and like there's robots everywhere and Tom Selleck's just like this cop that works on the robots, like he's like almost just a robot maintenance guy on the force, but then Gene Simmons is taking the robots and like programming to kill. This movie isn't real, it's super real. This is.
Speaker 3Michael Crichton Corey. I didn't know this.
Speaker 1What is it? Michael Crichton? Oh my God, he's the writer. Director, wow Come on.
Speaker 5Exactly so it's. You can't do that right.
Speaker 3You've blown that just right. This is crazy. Oh my God, I'm having like a revelation here.
Speaker 5Is this a novel or I don't think. I think he wrote it just for the screen, that's amazing.
Speaker 1Well, I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 5It's the 80s, everyone did, stephen King did, everyone did it. They're like you know what I write books. How hard can it be to direct a movie?
Speaker 1As you can rent it on Amazon Prime. Just on my eyes.
Speaker 3I will be doing that as soon as we get off this call. Yep, okay.
Speaker 5I just as a kid, I thought Kiss was the greatest thing ever. So I watched all of Gene Simmons' movies and this is wildly the best one. There's one where he plays at Transvestite, the John Stamos movie.
Speaker 3That's really good.
Speaker 5Interesting. I forget what it's called, but it's also awesome. So he's not a great actor, just so you know. All right, so how does the movie change in 1984?
Speaker 1Well, I think that it doesn't. It's really more about who's in it than what changes outside around it, because I feel like, from in terms of set design, practical effects and the effects that are introduced in this movie, it's going to be relatively the same. I don't feel like they were doing it's not Jurassic Park, where you have a bunch of CGI dinosaurs and stuff like that going on. I feel like this is just fantasy filmmaking at its peak before the CGI takeover. Basically, so I think it translates well to a 1984 Hollywood.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, I would have to agree with Nick. I think 1984 actually might complement the 1991 version because it might not rely on the attempt of CGI, which was still good and the special effects were good, but the practical effects that was on the Spielberg 1991 boat could easily be done in 84. I think it might. He's taken it back what seven years? I think it will still probably be the same film. I think Nick's absolutely right. It's just dependent on who's going to be in the film and how that changes. But I think everything else it stays the same for me, yeah.
Speaker 1And I think from the 90s, were all about these dads trying to get in contact with their kids, basically. But I do think it'll also hit in the 80s, because you're talking about yuppie culture and stuff, and so Peter Pan being just all about money and Reaganomics and stuff like that, that also hits really well too. Those are still themes that are covered a lot in the 80s. I feel like yeah, for sure no-transcript.
Speaker 5Here's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 5So in the movie they fly Pan Am.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5Weirdly, like a, I collect a lot of Pan Am t-shirts for some reason.
Speaker 2I have a weird amount of them.
Speaker 5I think I just like that movie where Leo DiCaprio's Catch Me, if you Can, just constantly pranking Tom Hanks all over the country. But Pan Am, they fly on the movie. They went out of business a week before this movie came out. That's wild, like December 4, 1991, but of course they filmed the movie like in 1990. So they're flying Pan Am and the failure of the airline was just due to failing standards of maintenance and safety, which is what you want in there, sure.
Speaker 5Yeah, you want them to you know there's like that one in Alaska that just had a window fly out of it.
Speaker 3You know they're in trouble now.
Speaker 5Yeah, You're like they're probably going to go out of business because people just don't want to be on your plane. Nope, they might die, and they also lost a plane in a terrorist bombing. But it's kind of assumed that if it were not for the latter, chances are that this film might have revitalized some like of oh, for sure yeah. People would have like maybe.
Speaker 1I don't know a lot of parents that are going to make decisions to fly in an airline because their kid wants to fly in the Pan Am fly, the same one as Peter Pan but I'm sure it helps in some form it might boost a little bit, it might delay the inevitable maybe.
Speaker 5But yeah, it's just one of those like product placements. That's like ah, we were late yeah.
Speaker 3Just missed the window.
Speaker 5So it's like seeing Pepsi clear in an 80s movie. It's like, oh yeah, that was a thing they tried that it didn't work. Notable cameos in the movie.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5This movie is kind of filled with cameos that we should discuss before we hop into the casting. Right, this is a good transition before we cast this bad boy in 1984. Phil Collins plays the inspector who arrives at the Banting Home after Hook kidnaps the children.
Speaker 3That's Phil Collins.
Speaker 1Yeah, Phil Collins.
Speaker 3I didn't even call that.
Speaker 1He's right there in the center of thing and then, yeah, that's another thing you pick up as an adult and go what?
Speaker 5So this is the only Robin Williams movie I've seen since his death. I have a weird thing about going back to them.
Speaker 2They just seem like it'd be depressing.
Speaker 5But I think it's when I saw this and they did an Alamo draft house showing up.
Speaker 3It was not long after.
Speaker 5Robin Williams' death and they did like a Lost Boys menu and I think that's when I first went hey, phil Collins, wait a minute, it's on the big screen. So I was like, hey, I could see him. It's a rubber singer for Genesis, so a Jimmy Buffett speaking of the late greats. Just he just passed one of the pirates who attempts to steal Peter's shoes when he first arrives in Neverland. David Crosby, he also man. All these people just died in the Captain.
Speaker 5Hook intro scene. Shouting along with the hook. I've always recognized David Crosby, Even as a kid. I somehow just knew that's David Crosby. Carrie Fisher, Gosh OK, George Lucas is still alive. We need everybody to keep an eye on George Lucas and Phil Collins.
Speaker 5The kissing couple floating as Tink takes Peter to Neverland. I just feel like George Lucas somehow can kiss Carrie Fisher. Yeah, steven Spielberg. He leads the pirates in March on the hook ship with Jack's watch on a pillow. And then Glenn Close this is the famous one, but I also didn't know this until kind of later in life. She's cutlass the pirate that gets dropped in the boo box.
Speaker 1Yeah, the fact that it was because she's you know looks really like a guy, yeah, like make the one questioned it. Yeah, she didn't care.
Speaker 3He loved it. I love her for that, that's it.
Speaker 5Yeah that's. It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 5All right, that means we need to do this. Ok hook, it's lifted up out of 1991. We've taken it out of our childhoods and we're taking it back to before we're born 1984., Shoo.
Speaker 2Look at that Slice must flow Fortune and glory. Kid. What are we waiting for, 1984. I'll be back.
Speaker 5You have arrived, so now we need to give it a 1984 cast. If you will, let's do it. There's rules, nick. Ok, I know you wanted me to skip them. Yeah, ash, definitely doesn't like to play by the rules. But rule number one anyone you cast in 1984 is hooked must be alive in 1984. Not going to bring anyone back from the dead.
Speaker 1OK.
Speaker 5Anyone you cast has to be free to do so.
Speaker 5They cannot be in prison, you know got it, I'm not completely aware of all the actors that went to prison, prison in the 80s, but I'm sure there were some. No problem, number three they have to be active. Yes, acting Now that's going to go into a new rule, so any adult role has to be actively acting, which we define that as having a credit in 1984. Yeah, yes, yes. So rule three B New addition, new addition that we have to do because I think another reason we've not done this movie is the same reason because we've not done Stand by Me in other movies.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 5Is kid actors are the worst. There's only like a handful of greats and all of cinema.
Speaker 1Right, and to try and pilfer through a year, just one year, yeah, it's just land on the same ones yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5So we're now kind of creating a larger window for kid actors.
Speaker 1It's a it's a flex rule, a guideline, as long as they were acting somewhere in the vicinity of 1984.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah as.
Speaker 5Long as you can provide a good sample size. Yes, like of something within that realm, like again 1984. You can't cast young Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1Yeah, we know it's not a yes. It started a movie until like five years later, so yeah, he's an adult.
Speaker 5I mean, it's just like that's, that's a rule still, but, and that we'll just have to go director to director. Yeah. They're not. They want to count what you did or not. But that gives us a little more freedom and leeway with the kid actors.
Speaker 1And that means we get to cast, hopefully more potentially. We're, hopefully we're looking forward to casting kids movies. Yeah, or that way, right.
Speaker 5You should well do Stand by Me and then rule number we have done, stand by me. Huh, we've done, stand by me we did not do stand by me, it was like two seasons ago.
Speaker 2You lie, I know we did it, yeah.
Speaker 3You actually did it. It was a good.
Speaker 1Are you sure? Yeah, ash, just heard it. Yeah.
Speaker 5You've listened to this episode.
Speaker 3I'm pretty sure I have. Yeah, I don't think it exists.
Speaker 2It does. Don't mess with me.
Speaker 5You have not done, stand by me. All right, whatever, fine, I'll go look it up. Um, because that just sounds like something I would have vetoed immediately. So, all right. Rule number four Anyone you cast has you. They lose all major film credits in 1984. Yes, we're selfish. We're not letting them make more than one movie. Yeah, they're committed to hook. But the shooting is going to go twice as long.
Speaker 5Right Even intended so Um, so that's kind of where you have to be creative with this. There's a lot. We just established that 1984 is kind of a banger year. Mm, hmm, sure, you can just go with an alien. This.
Speaker 3All right.
Speaker 5But there are power ups we give. We give ourselves a little bit of power. I'm the director, so I have two power ups. At any point in the casting I can pull the switcheroo card, which means I can switch any two actors on the board in the respective roles. Got it, I can do that at any time.
Speaker 5That's a lot of power, but then I have the override as well. But I have to do that in the casting of the character. I can tell you both get out of here. I'm putting my own person in, but I'm still subject to the rules. Got it, but I can only do that one time it has to happen right there, um, and we'll just see how you do.
Speaker 3Oh gosh.
Speaker 5Let's do it. All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 3I'm ready. Let's get this done.
Speaker 5All right. So, since this is a big cast, we are doing a 30 seconds or less, which is where we take some of the smaller roles. But roles we love, yeah, roles we enjoy, but maybe we don't need to talk a lot about them, but we want to put some 1984 actors.
Speaker 1Just a quick disclaimer we are not casting all of the Lost Boys, sadly.
Speaker 5No, goodness, no, I didn't know how many there are. So, even with the new rule, that's too many.
Speaker 1It's too many. Yeah, it's too many.
Speaker 5So all right. So our 30 seconds or less will be this we will have. Is it gutless or cutless?
Speaker 3Sure, I think it's cutless. I think cutless. Oh it's a cutless, Okay it's gotta be cutless, it's a pirate.
Speaker 5But I guess some pirates are gutless. It might be gutless, so who knows?
Speaker 1I'll look it up while we're doing it.
Speaker 5So we're going to do the one cameo which is played by Glen Close which will be fun.
Speaker 1Yeah, it is gutless. Yes, gutless, all right.
Speaker 5Toodles played by Arthur Malay, moira Banning played by Carolyn Goodall, thudbutt played by Rush on Hammond, and then Maggie Banning played by Amber Scott, and Granny Wendy played by Maggie Smith. Now listen those top two. It's hard to move. Granny Wendy, the great Maggie Smith to the 30 seconds or less, but in all fairness, she's only in the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 1Right Beginning and end.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, it's we're not discrediting her. She's like come on, man.
Speaker 1And Maggie's important too in the story, but she's also again not as high on the hierarchy. There's a lot of characters here.
Speaker 5I'm just saying people are going to be like how come Jack gets to be in there and Maggie?
Speaker 1doesn't? Yeah, guys.
Speaker 5No one chance. Run home, Maggie. Yeah, he gets a song and she's adorable, but this is really about Peter losing his son.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 1And his daughter is just a byproduct.
Speaker 5I'm sure he cares about her, but he's really fighting for his kid.
Speaker 3He's sent down yeah.
Speaker 5Maggie's not as disappointed in her dad yet, right yeah, jack is literally in danger of moving to Neverland.
Speaker 1Living with hook, basically yeah.
Speaker 5So Jack's got a little bit more and it's her boy, charlie Cosmos, true, true. So, um, all right. So this is going to work. I'm just going to speed fire, I'm going to say the character name Nick, you're going to go first, you're going to give me your pick, and then, ash, you will do it and I will just make a really quick decision. Perfect.
Speaker 3Are you ready?
Speaker 1Yes, Do it.
Speaker 5Let's go, gutless.
Speaker 1Michael Jackson, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3I can't beat that, john Malkovich.
Speaker 5We're going, michael Jackson, I'm glad Michael Jackson loves to put on makeup and be other people. Anyway, he does.
Speaker 1In the, in the thing from the 90s he was. He was in like full makeup, that ghost video.
Speaker 5Yeah, people didn't know it for a long time he like put on a fat suit and everything it was cool. Yeah, yeah. And he was really known for wearing disguises in public. So uh, toodles.
Speaker 3Mickey Rooney, bert Lancaster.
Speaker 5Oh, interesting, let's go, bert Lancaster. There's the part of me that can't stand Mickey Rooney, so, um, I'm going to go, bert. I'm going to go, bert. Moira Banning.
Speaker 1Jessica.
Speaker 3Lanege, Sally Field oh.
Speaker 5I can't not pick Sally Field.
Speaker 3Is this a 30?
Speaker 5seconds or less and she doesn't lose her Oscar. So we're fine, we're fine, we're fine. I should have preference to 30 seconds or less or not bound to the rules. Sally Field keeps her Oscar and she gets to be Moira Banning. She's a babe.
Speaker 1I'm going to go with the way she's been cast, all right, all right, all right, but I have Leo O'Brien from the last dragon, oh very nice, a sort of test in rule free be here.
Speaker 3Ll Cool J. Ll Cool J.
Speaker 1Leo O'Brien Leo.
Speaker 5O'Brien. Yes, I think you're both playing dirty. You're just bringing up things.
Speaker 1Yeah, all right, maggie Banning, maggie Banning, I'm picking Heather O'Rourke of Poltergeist fame. The little girl watching the TV saying they're here.
Speaker 3Very nice, I like that one. Mine Corey is Jennifer Connolly, a 14 year old Jennifer Connolly.
Speaker 1She's doing once upon a time in America this year.
Speaker 5Yeah Wait, when was Poltergeist? I just need.
Speaker 1Poltergeist before this.
Speaker 5How many years before.
Speaker 1Poltergeist came out in the year of our lord 1982. So you've got two years before.
Speaker 5What's her name?
Speaker 1Her name is Heather O'Rourke. Is she alive? She's alive at this point.
Speaker 5She died at this point. Okay, I was just making sure she died Really young Okay.
Speaker 3All right, I'm going to go Heather O'Rourke, lessa.
Speaker 5Then finally Granny Wendy.
Speaker 1Julia Andrews, oh dang.
Speaker 3Guess what I've gone the same yes.
Speaker 1Julia Andrews Across the pond. High five Everyone's favorite nanny, yes, perfect.
Speaker 5I mean we're going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page, I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page. I'm going to be on the same page.
Speaker 1I'm going to be on the same page. My favorite nanny yes, perfect, I mean, we had to, we had to. Once I saw it, I was like, no, that's right, that's it. Yeah, yeah Same.
Speaker 5Yeah, forget Maggie Smith. Sorry, Maggie All right, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool Cool. It's interesting too. While we're on the subject of Maggie Smith, okay, because of this movie, I don't have a lot of reference for Maggie Smith until much later in life with the Harry Potter movies. Which is older yes and it's like, wait, that she's from hook and she was 80 and hook. Yeah, but then you're like, oh, never mind, they just did great makeup on her, all right, so, and I guess I should say Dane Maggie Smith, she's been knighted.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, all right, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 5And then the prayer she recites is from the play Peter and Wendy okay. And in the original draft of the play. Toodles and Wendy got married when they grew up.
Speaker 1I saw that. That's interesting, that's right.
Speaker 5You're wondering who toodles is and what's his relate. Why is he still in this home?
Speaker 1And it's just because he's, he's, he's too old and Maggie and Lady Wendy doesn't want to put him in a home.
Speaker 5Yeah that's kind of what it is, you know, because that would really hurt Peter.
Speaker 1Listen, she never got over Peter Corey, clearly ever as a. That's true, which is really a weird kind of there's a lot of weird concepts, like you kind of figure out like oh dude, the old lady had the hots for Peter still had the hots for him. Yeah, I think yeah and he married her granddaughter. We're saving space for the fact that it probably has happened, but probably has happened.
Speaker 3This is what happens when you watch elder.
Speaker 5All right, all right. So now here's our. We have six rolls in our main cast here, which we'll give a little bit more conversation to right, and we're gonna start out as follows, in the order We'll cast them we have Smee, got it we have Rufio. Mm-hmm, we have tinkerbell. Obviously, jack banning Captain James Hook and of course Peter Pan slash Peter banning, so we're gonna start with Smee. Okay, I mean captain.
Speaker 2That is the point. That is the ultimate revenge. Pains, kids in love with hook. What are you getting off out? It's the ultimate paper. What is it made in pain it's posted when he faces you, face me, these kids standing beside you, ready to fight for the sleaziest sleaze of the seven seas. Captain James, oh, okay.
Speaker 5Excellent. We played by Bob Hoskins. Yes of Mario.
Speaker 1Who frame Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 5He was in Snow White, the husband Long Good Friday. Bob Hoskins has had an incredible career, also recently past just last few years.
Speaker 1He did yeah, yeah, that was a big one.
Speaker 5That was rough, but Hoskins would alleviate stress on set by singing various versions of Lionel Richie hit Hello lovely, including the lyrics Hello, is it Smee you're looking for?
Speaker 1he was ahead of his time oh.
Speaker 5My gosh reprised his role in Neverland mini series in 2011 and then brought beer for 300 plus extras after a lengthy and complicated scene was cut a man of the people. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it's like everyone does this really hard scene in this field, where it comes in goes. You know what I've done fit the movie. It's like so, and then uh, smee, he, smee is, he is. I don't know if he's the first mate basically, I okay you got to wonder why Captain Hook made an idiot his first mate.
Speaker 1Yeah, but oh my gosh.
Speaker 5Hoskins is so good in this, um pretty soft, solid at softball.
Speaker 1Yes, I mean, I mean change up. He really does.
Speaker 5Yeah, it's. I mean it's weird that the Pirates play so much softball. But yeah anything the Nick. I'm guessing you're asking this question. You think the Lost Boys and Pirates have an annual baseball game now?
Speaker 1I mean they built the stadium like it's. They got the uniforms now like they're all friends, probably now.
Speaker 5It's like a Neverland charity of it. It just ends in violence every year.
Speaker 1That's how they keep it. That's how they keep fighting. Still, it's like alright, we're at the baseball game, we're gonna win this year.
Speaker 5I like it. I like it. It's just like a peaceful way to hold disputes. Yeah, you know indigenous tribes did that it's like instead of war and killing each other, let's play stickball.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5It's like that's a way better plan and like I might not die and the chances now, you still could die stealing seconds.
Speaker 1It's true.
Speaker 5It's true, the pirate baseball is dangerous. Um, bad form. Oh my gosh, I need to start saying bad form at people.
Speaker 1I just in the office.
Speaker 5All right, so first me we're looking for, I mean a really solid character actor, that's just, I mean charisma out the out the, it's true. It's almost seen stealing. You're almost like Bob Hoskins Do too much Because it's so good. All right, I Let Nick go first at the bottom, so, ash, you can go first here, I'm a good man, gosh.
Speaker 3Thank you very much. That's very kind of you, I think. All right, all right, I'm gonna give this a go, okay. So yeah, like you said, I think Bob Hoskins is Perfect in this role in you've you you've described him perfectly seen stealer? Um, I realized he was 49 when you played him. And I've casted someone who, at the time in 1984, is gonna be 34. So I've taken it down a bit, but I don't think that changes who I've casted and I've wanted a bit of 80s blood in this. So I've casted John Candy.
Speaker 3John Candy, I wanted 80s blood in an 80s movie. He's a free agent at the moment. Um, I think he's just done national lampoon and stripes and I think splash was his last movie. Didn't do it, I don't think. I think he did a music video for the Ghostbusters this year, which I don't think counts, but this is before planes, trains and automobiles and call runnings, and you know, uncle Buck. But you say character actor, your character actor. I mean the scene in Home Alone. I mean I remember John Candy and he's in it for less than five minutes. Yeah, yeah, he could maybe be up for the challenge here and I think he will over deliver as me.
Speaker 1So yeah, I give you a very it'll be a very lovable Smee. Like Bob Hoskins still had a bit of an edge to him. I think John Candy would bring a little more of of the his a brand of, yeah, softer kind of.
Speaker 3Yeah kind of thing going on and I always like that cameo at the end, you know, when they return back to the London and then he's there like cleaning the fountains. That always. Me for some reason like a very like teary moment. I don't know why it just does.
Speaker 1I like that little Connection it just kind of adds a little element of like was it all a dream?
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, that question mark. Yeah, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 5All right, I can put my mind around it. It's a bigger Smee. Yes, a lovable Smee. Not sure how I feel about a John Candy heel turn, but I can maybe wrap my mind around it.
Speaker 1It's a likeable heel turn.
Speaker 5He's not like the full-on villain, you know yeah, but it's like, is he just the kids? At the end, maybe it's just gonna turn on hook.
Speaker 1I mean, what else is he gonna do at that point?
Speaker 5All right, I'm not against it. I'm not against it. I'm a massive John Candy fan, so I like to give him work where I can with my podcast. It's me what you got.
Speaker 1Okay, I didn't. I went for someone know, notably smaller, probably one of the ones that you might think of once you go through the list of 84, but I'm gonna bring you Danny DeVito Corey. He is in Romancing the Stone this year. While it's a slightly sizable role in that movie, I do feel like it was just kind of comparing going. Okay, romancing the Stone was successful. It was fun. He clearly had a good time doing it. But if you get a chance to be Smee versus like this, I feel like you're gonna go for Smee if you. If you were to ask me, which one do you want? Both will probably be successful. I'm like that. One Smee, please. So I just think Danny DeVito speaks for himself before. Even you know what you're getting with him. He's just, he's a rambunctious Tasmanian devil of a man and I think he'll just be a lot of fun with our captain hook on set as well.
Speaker 3I like that pig Interesting.
Speaker 5Hmm. I think you'll play this weird way. You get Ash gives me this out of the box. John Candy may require some rewrites from the hero by the end. And then Nick gave me an on the nose. I did kind of one, I did. I got to take him out of a pretty big movie. It's pretty big to his crew at the time.
Speaker 1But also an equally big movie.
Speaker 5Would that make Danny DeVito the most casted person on this podcast?
Speaker 1You'd be up there. He's, he's, he's now in our five times club.
Speaker 5That's what I'm saying. He's on our five times club.
Speaker 1I don't think he's caught. I don't think he's caught up with cage yet.
Speaker 3So cage is in the lead at the moment.
Speaker 5What's cage doing in 84, being a young?
Speaker 120 something.
Speaker 3He was going to be in my Glenn Close role but I changed him last minute to John Malcolm.
Speaker 5I feel like he'd be a good SME Now you're going way against type here.
Speaker 1All right Cage can do anything, you're not wrong.
Speaker 5So all right.
Speaker 3I just, oh my gosh, I have the guts to go with candy.
Speaker 5But I don't know if I want Danny DeVito to be so important to this podcast.
Speaker 1It's to.
Speaker 5he already is Corey I hate it though, because I don't let that influence your decision. I love my cousin Jesse, who loves him. I just I don't want to give him a five. I'm just gonna go. Danny DeVito, keep it, keep it in the box for now.
Speaker 3Okay, all right. All right, we can live to get further down the line.
Speaker 5Okay, oh my God, it was kind of tough. All right, I hope the rest are not that bad, which brings us to the end of the show.
Speaker 4Mr Stunkhead, with too much moose, you are just a punk kid. I want to speak to a grown up all through all those appliance. Excuse me.
Speaker 5My favorite character.
Speaker 1Oh, oh, by far, I'm sure, yeah.
Speaker 5Take the movie I play.
Speaker 1For those of you wondering yes, In our indie film.
Speaker 5That was that we made about our last video podcast feature. I play Rufio in a scene and played by Dante Bosco, who's had some really fun likes like he's done some like internet stuff lately where, like he's kind of poking fun back at playing Rufio.
Speaker 1Yeah, which has been fun. He's had a great voice acting career too.
Speaker 5Yes, Avatar, the last airbender TV, a goofy movie but I'm a cheerleader. American Dragon Jake Watt. He's had a very like. He kind of fell out of that and more went more to voice acting.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah, which that is not a slight voice. Acting is hard, so the word bang or rain is actually Jamaican slang for uproar, disorder or disturbance. Dante Bosco revealed in an interview that at first he was very intimidated by Dustin Hoffman, who has a reputation for being a big method actor. Reportedly, hoffman would antagonize Bosco offscreen to get into characters. Captain Hook and Rufio were nemesis. Bosco's acting coach just assured him that Hoffman had a bad reputation for being that way and wasn't intentionally trying to be mean or hurt the young actor.
Speaker 1Just feel like you're being drawn by Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 5You're a new actor, you come in and there's just like this titan of acting, just like crap the whole time. You're just like oh, this sucks.
Speaker 1But I did see that during breaks like Bosco, that he watched Midnight Cowboy and stuff and he would ask Hoffman questions and apparently they had a bunch of times and he would just kind of talk about his experiences and stuff off and on screen and so that was a big part of Dante's whole experience with Hook was getting to spend that time with him.
Speaker 5Yeah, like you did up, like he like ended up earning Hoffman's respect.
Speaker 2Yeah, like Hoffman's like, oh you're not a child actor, you care oh?
Speaker 5okay, come over here, buddy. But, the names of the original Lost Boys. Slightly, slightly curly nibs, toodles and twins appear on the door to Wendy's house.
Speaker 1So they're there. So there's no newties there. Yeah, attention to detail, guys. That's what's great about this.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1I know.
Speaker 3Rufio is the leader of the Lost Boys, he's kind of taken the role of Peter Pan.
Speaker 5Peter Pan left Neverland, grew up, sold out, got a real job, had kids responsibilities. Rufio takes over. And in a weird way, it's like, while Disney's just destroying everything that we love, just give me a Rufio prequel movie. Give me the movie where Rufio takes over.
Speaker 1Or they're just yeah, they're just being Lost Boys fighting the fight.
Speaker 5Yeah, that's like the movie where Pan leaves in the first like 20 minutes and Rufio's got to step up. Okay, I want to know where the tattered leather red pants and give me all the stuff I want, all the lore. Rufio's a great character, he is, he's fun, and Dante Bosco plays it like because he's antagonistic, he's mean, he's the Peter Pan, it's the guy where this dude's come back.
Speaker 1But he's got to like kind of earn Rufio's respect to get everyone else's respect, yeah, and then, like it's an emotional ending, it like builds up to where we really care about Rufio, which is really impressive considering that this is such a giant property, yeah and that you introduce a brand new character and you make us care about him. Oh yeah, because that doesn't happen all the time, as we've come to see in movies in decades.
Speaker 3After this Not successfully as well. Yeah, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 5It's a big deal if you make me care about a character more than Captain Hook.
Speaker 2Right and.
Speaker 5I like Rufio in this movie more than all the other characters, so yeah for sure, all right. So, guys, this is a big one, do not screw this up. I'm not kidding, do not screw this up.
Speaker 3Oh man.
Speaker 5Nick, you made it. I did Give me your Rufio, okay.
Speaker 1Michael Jackson is 10 years too old for this and Prince is 10 years old and doing Purple Rain, so my dream cast are both out of the way. But, corey, I'm going to give you somebody and again, this is our flex rule with the child teen actors, so I'm going to give you somebody that their first roles were in 86 on TV shows Better Days and Hill Street Blues. I'm going to give you a young Cuba Gooding Jr, or Cuba Gooding Jr. I think that if you think about also Jerry Maguire, like his over the top this and showmanship as the football player in that, on top of just his general acting ability, I think that a young Cuba Gooding Jr would be a lot of fun in this role.
Speaker 5I'm not real familiar with young Cuba. I mean, it's just like the youngest Cuba, I know, is boys in the hood.
Speaker 1Right, just imagine that, okay, a little bit younger.
Speaker 5Okay.
Speaker 1All right, with an attitude, with an edge with his, with his Jerry Maguire edge, corey, show me the funny.
Speaker 5Yeah, all right, I'm going to try and wrap my mind around that while Ash sell me.
Speaker 3All right, I'm going to go again. Take two. I've actually somehow stayed within the rules. I was tempted to exploit 3B, but now I've stayed within boundaries. So they're roughly the same age. He's actually just two years younger than the actual Dante Vasco Again another actor gone too soon. So I kind of wanted to give him some screen time and I love his performance in like my improv Idaho and he's got that edge and I have changed the character a little bit. And his debut film, debut role was in 1982, seven brides for seven brothers, in a couple of TV shows before and I don't think he's done any movies before 84, but this would be his first if he does.
Speaker 3I'm giving you whacking Phoenix's younger brother, or older brother, I should say River Phoenix. We may know him as ironically young indie in another steep Spielberg film, last Crusade. Yeah, I'm unfortunately died outside Johnny Depp's nightclub but we didn't see enough of him and the stuff that we did saw kind of the Heath Ledger of the 80s or 90s. For me there was so much potential there it was just coming to bloom and got cut short and I really did want to have that sort of. He had that talent at that age, I think at 14 years old. You could see that in the TV shows that he was in in 82 and 83. So I'm giving you River Phoenix.
Speaker 5Okay, cool, that's such a good comparison. The Ledger Phoenix, yeah. I've never really thought much about it. I mean, we obviously got a way bigger sample size out of Ledger, but still it is. It's like that weird unappreciated Titan that died right when everyone was starting to come around.
Speaker 1Oh, this guy's good.
Speaker 5When he died. Yeah, all right, and they both obviously love to do more indie stuff than yeah, yeah. All right, okay, I'm really tempted to go early on my override.
Speaker 3Oh, oh, oh, we did it.
Speaker 1It's like I don't know. I don't know what makes us feel better. Is that a we force Courtney to pull his draw, or that he doesn't like either of our picks and we get piece of hands.
Speaker 3That's fine.
Speaker 5I mean, I, the way I always do this as a director, I have like three overrides ready to go for characters I really care about.
Speaker 3Yeah, or.
Speaker 5I think are important. I got a hook in my back pocket and I got a Peter Pan in my back pocket, just in case.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 5Because you guys could totally blow it up top and we need those actors to slap.
Speaker 1It's possible, but I love it. It could happen.
Speaker 5Here's the thing Again, Cuba getting junior. I just don't know what he's like as a teenager. Again, it's hard for me to think of them past boys in the hood.
Speaker 1You know, young, dumb, impressionable, I get it and he was just doing TV. Yeah, and 86 is when he gets his start, so this is about two years before we would see him.
Speaker 5See, and then River Phoenix is like massive talent, but he does stand by me three years later and he looks 12. Right, so it's like what do you look like in 84? I think just kind of a run, and so I'm tempted to go with a guy I got.
Speaker 2Okay, mm hmm.
Speaker 5That I'd be pulling out of one of the most important films to me, but he's playing a high schooler.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 5I'm going to override here and put Johnny Depp in.
Speaker 2What.
Speaker 5Oh my God. 21. Jump. Street himself. He's 21, but he plays high schoolers for the next five years.
Speaker 1Right, it's true, he's got that baby face. So we're just going to get a slightly older maybe, maybe also pushing lost boys terminology. But we're pulling him out of a nightmare on Elm Street I mean listen it's the same thing, I was arguing with Danny DeVito, which is like, yeah, that's a big movie, Like, but like that's him getting by that. Yeah, that's him getting attention there versus him actually playing a bigger role with actual character substance here and that's the thing I think.
Speaker 5honestly, if this was like 85 or past, once put to happens, I wouldn't do it. But since all we know from him from now is like one sex comedy, like, club paradise or that and then nightmare on Elm Street, in which he has a young sounding voice his base hasn't come in yet. I think like he's just going to play that rebellion like rebellious teen do the crow and Rufio does seem older than all the other boys.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's pushing, he's got more dominance yeah.
Speaker 5Like he's almost going to age out if he leaves for a year, right? Yeah, they're really like the real world and grows up one more year. They're not going to let him back in yeah, sorry, these are rules. I'm going to. I didn't hate your choices, I just. It's Rufio.
Speaker 3I'm are you happy? Or taken him out of Nightmare on Elm Street Because you love that film?
Speaker 5No, it's hard, it's hard yeah.
Speaker 1We kill some dollars.
Speaker 5We're giving him a bigger role here in Hook.
Speaker 1Right and I think we're going to cry at the end.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, oh yeah Hard.
Speaker 5Yeah, so um all right, all right, tinkerbell.
Speaker 2Pan Pan. However you are, it's still you, because only one person has that smell Smell.
Speaker 4The smell of someone who's ridden the back of the wind.
Speaker 3Peter, the smell of a hundred fun summers of sleeping in trees, adventures with in-hands and pirates, oh remember.
Speaker 4Peter, the world was ours. We could do everything or nothing.
Speaker 3All.
Speaker 4I had to be was anything, because it was always us.
Speaker 5Just wildest, because, as far as I know, she was really horrible to work with. Well, if you think about it.
Speaker 1She is the one that had to work on the green screen by herself on like a stage video. Well, everyone else is getting to have fun with Robin Williams on set.
Speaker 5Everyone else is in Neverland playing bass.
Speaker 1Exactly, she can hear their laughter in the same next door.
Speaker 5I'm not gonna get out the box.
Speaker 1But yeah, I dubbed her the nickname Tinker Hill because apparently she was difficult to deal with. But given that that was probably one of the first existence moments of green screen for big actors, yeah, I mean, yes, probably after never having to deal with that, they don't have that.
Speaker 5You know now it's just like if you're going to be an actor, just understand that you may be working in. I mean, just think about Avengers and you see all the behind the scenes footage and it's like the biggest moments.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5It's like Iron. Man's death and the Avengers assemble and so you see the behinds like, oh, they're standing in a green room, yeah.
Speaker 1And you're like I kind of appreciate acting now.
Speaker 5They're having to really go there, create everything around them and like that's wild to me, but yeah, played by Julia Roberts, who's just become America's sweetheart in 1991. Pretty woman won an Oscar for Aaron Brockovich. She's in my best friend's wedding, notting Hill Ocean's 11. Nick, you did not write down Steel Magnolia's.
Speaker 2How Dare you Excuse me?
Speaker 5Which was one of the best movies ever made. But yeah, one exchange of dialogue. Writer Cohen credits to Carrie Fisher are the lines when Tinkerbell says you know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you still remember dreaming, that's where I'll always love you, that's where I'll always be waiting. Carrie Fisher can write.
Speaker 1Yeah, man, she's doctored so many scripts apparently. Yeah, that was her, oh yeah.
Speaker 5She's a big writer because she was like a recurring character on 30.
Speaker 3Rock.
Speaker 5Tina Fey won the like capture that Carrie Fisher was a writer like Tina Fey Okay. Yeah, but apparently Julie Roberts almost put the production in a jeopardy when she fled California after her wedding to Kiefer Sutherland was called off. She was making a book and that went down.
Speaker 1She did herself no favors with the Tinker Hill moniker yeah.
Speaker 3She ran away with Jason Patrick as well.
Speaker 5Yes, with his Lost Boys co-star. That was crazy. She was thinking about the taint she put on that movie by acting a fool like that. Run off with someone else, not as a boy from Lost Boys, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3And then they made the film Run Away, bride.
Speaker 5Yeah, steven Spielberg essentially had to threaten a fire, so but yeah.
Speaker 1And then the other other piece of thing I want to throw out there is yeah, she had like a. They gave her the teddy bear from Captain Hook's cabin when she had to checked in the hospital for nervous exhaustion, but then Spielberg realized that they were using that seat. They're going to shoot that scene the next day, so they had to rustle up a lookalike in a few hours. Oh my. God, I should have gone to the hospital like I just need it for today. You'll be fine tomorrow.
Speaker 5All right, well, okay, so we're looking for a very sassy, sassy actress here, because that's Tinker Bell. She's all sassy. Yeah, I really don't. I've read Peter Pan. I can't recall much, but I feel like Tinker Bell is mainly based off the Disney version and all feature iterations yeah, yeah. It's very kind of aggressively mean protective of Peter Pan. Might kind of love Peter Pan, yeah. I mean I know that we see Peter Pan as a kid, but I didn't think he looked that good to have like Wendy.
Speaker 1How dare you say that about Dustin Hoffman's son?
Speaker 5You know Tinker Bell married kind of above his station, moira.
Speaker 1Listen, he was just a player. The more. The more you read about Peter Pan, the more you look at it from another perspective, the more you realize he's kind of a dick as a kid oh yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1A little bit.
Speaker 5Yeah, I get it, I get it All right. So I will choose Tinker Bell, but I guess Nick will keep it with you, since you made the one before.
Speaker 1Okay, I kind of kept the same mindset of like younger kind of person on. Like Julia Roberts was big on the scene at that moment, so I was pulling somebody that also had just kind of blown up and so I'm giving you young Demi Moore, corey. This year she's doing General Hospital, blame and Arrio bedrooms, a TV movie, the master TV show, but the main one was this no small fare movie. It's just kind of like one of those lost 80s kind of comedy coming of age stories.
Speaker 2Okay, but I think she called no small affair.
Speaker 5I think I've seen it.
Speaker 1It's okay, no-transcript.
Speaker 5But yeah, I think she just has.
Speaker 1You think about a saint, almost fire. How she wasn't there, what she was kind of fiery in there as well. So I think she just leans into this really well too. And and she can pull off the haircut.
Speaker 5Oh yeah, she can yeah, she can Smooth frigging saint almost fire into it. It's a good move.
Speaker 1You see, like you see what I did there small, that's gonna move, good move.
Speaker 5All right, ash. Hello, the before is on Nick dug into the rat pack. I did yeah, the brat pack, but that's okay.
Speaker 3Hmm, yeah, I like what you did then, nick, very, very sneaky. Fortunately for you, I've also done the same thing as well, but I've gone somewhere else. I'm playing to the heartstrings of Corey. I've delved into source of the brat pack I was. This is this is my issue of think about. I needed someone who had a good smile, like Julie Roberts. I didn't want them to be too sexy to be distracted, but I wanted that sort of you know, like sass, the attitude, but also just that smile just knocks you out, and Julie just has that all the time. So I wanted someone with a good smile, like a great smile, not saying Demi doesn't have it, but this person for me always has a good smile and for me I'm picking also in San Elmos fire, andy McDowell.
Speaker 5Also bringing, say no, most fire into it. Classically then, dale.
Speaker 3It's just her smile reminds me of Julia's and she's got great legs and I have that's. That's enough. In Hudson Hawk, if you see in that film, she's got some serious attitude on that film. I just need to kill this scene. So yeah, I brought two, I guess it's to. So now most fire, which is 85. I think the year after this.
Speaker 5So yeah, and what does she do? She just started in gray stroke Jane in the.
Speaker 3Tarzan 84, so we've taken her out of her debut film. So the only bad thing about her is she's not established yet.
Speaker 1She's not a name yet course now.
Speaker 5We're Christopher Lambert Tarzan movie, all right.
Speaker 3Yeah, great film.
Speaker 5Okay, all right, Huh, okay. Y'all both played pretty strong here. I Should admit that I literally considered how much I like 16 candles and thought about having an override here with Molly Ringwald.
Speaker 1I don't know why it can't be a teenager like that to your bill.
Speaker 5Okay.
Speaker 1I would say that would help because if you think, if you think about the logics of it, if she's in love with Peter Pan, she should be younger, like at least from from our perspective. Yeah, I'm just saying I considered it, but I like 16 candles works better when In the hook, when she's an adult, when Tinkerbell becomes a human and kisses Peter. So it's not weird like if you, if?
Speaker 5you have an adult Peter.
Speaker 1Pan and a teenage yeah.
Speaker 5I just since Molly Ringwald listens to this podcast. I just want to know. I think she'd be a perfect Tinkerbell.
Speaker 2Oh I.
Speaker 5You know I'm gonna go, andy McDowell. I am and I think it's just because I Think Demi's a little too. Julia Roberts.
Speaker 1You think she's a little too big for her britches? I think so little too much pixie dust going on there.
Speaker 5Oh, too much, yeah I think I need any McDowell here. I like it.
Speaker 1You want a sweetheart.
Speaker 5I didn't even think any McDowell.
Speaker 1But no, I'm in you're on the board, ash Dale.
Speaker 5Beiberman from say no, it was fire all of us.
Speaker 3I've got one on the board. We're good, that's not gonna be.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, we're all collectively. Let's just end it here.
Speaker 1We have three more.
Speaker 5All right. Well, that just brings us to Jack banning.
Speaker 4For never letting me jump on my own bed. We're always making promises I'm breaking up.
Speaker 5I'd love to see what y'all did here, because it is a child actor up top. Yeah, try. Played by Charlie Coursmo. Nick, you didn't write down Charlie Coursmo's credit.
Speaker 1I do it's. Oh, you did Hardly wait, right? Yes, his glorifying moment.
Speaker 5Charlie Coursmo and can't hardly wait is incredible. And just on the subject of, I Didn't realize it was the kid from hook until by like the third time I watched. Can't hardly wait. Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, that's the kid from buck, so all right, that's gonna come up a lot in this episode. Joseph Mazzello was once considered for the role of Jack but was turned down, being too young for the role. At the time, steven Spielberg promised him a role in a future product movie, jurassic Park 1993.
Speaker 1Is Dr Hammons grandson Tim imagine getting prom like sorry, you didn't make my movie, but I'll put you in the next one. And it's, but it turns out to be Jurassic Park.
Speaker 5Oh, my kid was upset like dinosaurs. That's stupid like pirates. All right, jack was the name of one of the boys for whom author Sir Jay and Barry wrote Peter Pan and later of whom became the adopted father. The five boys were George, jack, nicholas, peter and Michael Davies. So that's sweet. But yeah, charlie Coursmo, he is weirdly an incredible kid actor. He just, you know, was smart and didn't stay Like, became like that, went to Harvard.
Speaker 1Yeah, it came like I'm visor. I'm too smart for this guy.
Speaker 5Yeah, he's just like I'm way too smart to be an actor. He's like a really well accomplished like political advisor or something like that. I don't it's greatly. Okay, all right. So I need a talented kid with that's gonna really be able to sell me on daddy issues. Yes like, and he's so damaged that he's willing to let a pirate become a stand.
Speaker 1Hmm, so I think Ash made it, so he's, he gets go the ass.
Speaker 5You're up getting your jack banning.
Speaker 3All right, okay, yeah, so once again, I haven't exploited rule 3b yet, so he's technically within boundaries. You'll know this name. Actually, he continues to do films, which is quite rare for child actors to be, so he's done no very young, charlie Coursmo.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, he was that, but he's ten years old, said this guy. I believe Charlie was 13, so there will be a bit of a difference, but it might work in his favor. His debut film Was a film called Hotel New Hampshire and I'm gonna give you Seth Green, who you probably will know from Family Guy without a paddle, the Interestingly wacky Italian job guy. Yeah, so if you can't, hardly wait, yeah.
Speaker 3Yes, yes, there we go, there we go. Um, there's a film called Hotel New Hampshire in 84 which he's in, and he actually looks kind of similar to Jack In a good way, because you know, he never got his growth spurt when he was a teenager, but he's probably at his tallest when he's ten years old, so he still got that that sort of come into the 1415 era. But, yeah, I'm crazy, I'm gonna have. Mr Merlin Was an actor in a few roles just before 84, but yeah, I'm very established now in terms of rom-com films without paddle. That's another one as well. That's personal favorite of mine. The Italian job. Yeah, I bring Seth Green to the table.
Speaker 1Nice.
Speaker 5All I can think about Seth Green and Austin Powers Green, awesome powers is.
Speaker 1Art of.
Speaker 5Jack banning. I hate my father, but also my father's evil.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Okay can't catch a break oh my gosh.
Speaker 5Okay, Nick Seth Green is on the board. It's on the board. At first I don't know how I feel about it, but now I've kind of like almost sold myself.
Speaker 1I was tempted to play dirty and throw you one of the quarries, oh oh, but I think I found some of that. Personally, I think we'll play this role better, but I'm gonna give you Henry Thomas from ET himself the original, the main character kid from ET in 82. He's 13 years of age right now doing Cloak and dagger and misunderstood Arthur show movies that he's in. So nothing of major. No, reading Corey's face to see if he actually cares about these shows.
Speaker 5Listen.
Speaker 1Hames in firstborn and Corey Feldman is in Friday, your favorite, friday the 13th or one of your favorites.
Speaker 5Oh yeah, you can't pull Felman now. So a final chapter.
Speaker 1Now I'm gonna give you the other guy, the other, the other kids Spielberg likes to work with and they get around to in this one.
Speaker 5I mean I do Hi, Cloak and dagger, but it's not like it's just a good movie. It's not like my heat's integral to it.
Speaker 1No, he's the star. Oh is he?
Speaker 5Oh, no, he's, he's, he's the main character, but, like I mean, I'm just saying not a lot.
Speaker 3It would be ruined then, wouldn't it, corey?
Speaker 5Just, oh my gosh, this is like me all over again. I'm just like seeing two different things here. I can like I don't know Seth Green, he's just. I have a hard time. I like I've watched it the miniseries. I like I've seen him as a child, but it's hard to not see him as just a small man.
Speaker 3I know what you mean.
Speaker 1Cloak and dagger is about a young boy and his imaginary friend who end up on the run while in possession of a top-secret spy gadget. That sounds so cool. It's pretty solid. Yeah, we'll just put the other Corey in this one.
Speaker 5Cory Hame would do fine and go to dagger. My thing is, corey Hame didn't have a ton of range true. I Just don't okay. Okay, the whole thing in Jack Banning is he's Charlie course mode. He just does a really good job.
Speaker 1He does one of the underrated child performances because he comes off so naturally.
Speaker 5I'm going, henry Thomas, nice, just based on the ET audition tapes that we've all seen. Yeah, I on command and I just we're gonna really root for the kid and he always looks lost as a kid. You look at me, thomas, he just looks confused, like he never knows where he's at. He's like that kid you see in the mall and you're like where's this mom? You lost it. No, it's just gonna work out. He's in Neverland looking for some sort of identity and Captain James Hooks gonna give it to him.
Speaker 3No, yeah.
Speaker 5I'm go, yeah, I'm gonna go that nice we have that.
Speaker 3We have burned in some stuff in 84.
Speaker 5I mean cooking daggers, I think the least thing, for some reason, and so it's like whatever the Jackie real Haley just gets the role and yeah, there you go. Okay, I think he was number two choice for the Glenn roll. Okay, that brings us to the top two guys that cannot stress this enough, we cannot screw this up which are ruining we can do. Let me look at the bottom here. Yep, nothing.
Speaker 1You played yourself.
Speaker 5Danny DeVito could be Peter Bandy. All right, all right, okay, let's do, captain James. Not sure if this is the greatest Performance of Captain Hook. We just had a lot of bad ones.
Speaker 1It's the best one so far, other than maybe like the voice acting for hook and the Peter Pan. Yeah, obviously it's just like every hook we've seen since.
Speaker 5It's just been bad, like Hugh Jackman and Jude Law.
Speaker 1Well, like Dustin Hoffman, definitely leaned into the whole cartoon Disney cartoon.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm gonna play a version of this like but that's pretty close.
Speaker 1Everybody else is like well, I have to do something different. I'm like but you really don't.
Speaker 3Go for it. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5So yeah, this is played by Dusty Hoffman, right.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah the man.
Speaker 5All right, we're close, so I can call him Dusty. Okay, he's given me permission. That's nice of him Tootsie, midnight cowboy, rain man, kramer versus Kramer. Kung fu panda marathon man. I mean it's, it's Dustin, he's the guy, he he's in meet the Fockers.
Speaker 1It's really a bumbley, lovable day.
Speaker 5I want a movie of just those two characters.
Speaker 1I would watch that.
Speaker 3Yeah, um, yeah. So on the right yeah yeah.
Speaker 5So according to Phil Collins an interview, dustin Hoffman was so meticulous that he was present two months before it was actually required to film a scene, simply so that he could get immersed in the role. Oh, again, very famously, like method is all get out to the point. Directors have just yelled at him. When the bandings fly to the United Kingdom for Christmas, the pan and captain announcement is voiced by Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's kind of a nod to like the plays where he, the same actor that played the dad, would play. Yeah, yeah, captain hook.
Speaker 5Down the roll. David Bowie turned down the roll that actually would have worked, following his appearance in the movie, close friend and former roommate, gene Hackman Again, calling him hook is a joke the name stuck in his contemporaries calling by that nickname to this day. Nice, yeah, nikki, got anything. You want to add any of that? You?
Speaker 1know just just that the character of captain hook. He was inspired by this reverend I guess that JM Berry came in contact with over in In East Sussex and so he just happened to have a hook for a hand and he told everyone he lost it in a coach accident and no one had any reason to Down his story until a man named Smith came to town and revealed that he lost his hand in a previous career as a pirate. So apparently he pretty successful career until he decided to strand his partner Smith in the Caribbean, returned to England, become a man of the cloth. It's a whole wild story where Smith comes back to track down his friend and try to blackmail him and the paranoia like drove him mad. So it's like this weird like Amadeus kind of story going on with the origin story for captain hook allegedly so. Just thought that was a really interesting piece of history right there. Okay, this is wild.
Speaker 5In an interview with Playboy in 2004, justin Hoffman recalls this aha moment between him and Bob Hoskins in which they realized that their characters were gay. He fit. They believed that JM Berry wrote them as gay and they played them as quote a couple of old Queens Like, I guess, just this gay couple that's just past the honeymoon stage.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah, and so, and so. That's why, like, there is this sense of like.
Speaker 3Hey.
Speaker 5Commodities, yeah, and like yeah, yeah, I could see that in a weird way, like they're trying to adopt a son together.
Speaker 1Peter Pan is the real villain of this story. He is standing.
Speaker 5He is standing between this perfectly great LGBT company, that a couple that just wants a child and he's the product of the child. Now, in all fairness, they lock up a bunch of other kids.
Speaker 1That's what I was about to say like Maggie's right there, but she gets thrown in this other room, boys yeah, all right, All right. So they're not all captain hooks not opening an orphanage, it's interesting.
Speaker 5I didn't know that.
Speaker 1I didn't know that doesn't know, I had no idea about that. As gay apparently Spielberg had to be like guys pull back.
Speaker 5Yeah, it's fine, I'm gonna put this on camera.
Speaker 1All right, it's 91, they will they were not quite ready for they will burn us at the stake.
Speaker 5So all right, all right. Cool, I guess, if you made this movie now.
Speaker 3Yeah, that means it would work.
Speaker 5Um, all right, that's interesting. Okay, guys, I need an actor that's super method and is gonna play captain James hook is possibly a gay man.
Speaker 1Well, I think I made it last, so I'll take it here.
Speaker 5That's my criteria.
Speaker 1Okay, cory, this one. It might be on the nose but I think like he will play captain hook as we have seen him. As with Dustin Hoffman, the cartoon, it'll be very familiar and close to that. I was a little too afraid to pick anybody that would take it in a weird direction or anything at that point. So I'm giving you Jeremy Irons this year he is in swan and love, which is just more of a period piece, it seems like, but I think he would just nail it. It's weirdly like his voice. I know he's the voice of scar already, but like, like it's almost on point. It's almost like Dustin Hoffman is doing a Jeremy Irons to an extent.
Speaker 1Hmm you know, the voice is almost exactly the same like you wouldn't have to change like it's the same as every other role he's been in.
Speaker 5That's better say Jeremy Irons is not gonna have to. No try hard.
Speaker 1Just play himself. You're older and you hate children, got it.
Speaker 5Ash, that's brilliant. I don't know what you're about to do.
Speaker 3I don't know. I mean I'm a big fan of Jeremy Irons. I can't really compete with that, but I love the guy in Brings' table so I'm gonna defend him and I brought him to the table before on Consumorycast and he was rejected just so slightly. So we're going again. I'm bringing you a guy who actually could pull this off very well and he might have his own take on it, but he will stay true to the hook role. He's a free agent and he's quite good at playing villains. I mean this is a year before he's a Bond villain.
Speaker 3I'm giving you Christopher walking Christopher what he would suit a pirate outfit. Why he hasn't played a pirate before, I don't know. I just think he can add a bit of charm to it. I mean he'd definitely have that flamboyance if he's going in that direction as well. But yeah, he's definitely played villains. He's already been established from Deer Hunter and Annie Hall, roughly the same age as Dustin Hoffman was in 91. I think he has that sort of like pirate-esque look going on already. I think he can bring a bit of swagger to the role that Dustin sort of made. Maybe he didn't go as far with, maybe.
Speaker 5I did not know that Christopher Walken was a Bond villain.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 5Who.
Speaker 3He was in the Timothy Dolson one, I think the two that he did.
Speaker 5Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. You can't blame me because I'm not British and I don't like James Bond In the same way. Ash, I can't blame you for what's about to happen. Oh no.
Speaker 2This is just your fault.
Speaker 5I think that's why he's played Captain Hook.
Speaker 1He has In a live.
Speaker 5TV version that happened in the last. Like what?
Speaker 15 to 10 years here in America.
Speaker 5He has yeah.
Speaker 3And it wasn't great. Oh, my word, I'm just looking at it up now. Hold on two seconds, you're chilling in this right now.
Speaker 1This is the first time he's seen that, no, no this isn't Ash's fault.
Speaker 3Wait, so he's Captain Hook. He just pan live. Oh my gosh, a TV movie 2014. On Voodoo if you want to watch. I'm not even going to repeat the IMDb score on this, because that's the first thing I saw.
Speaker 5It wasn't good, I don't know, for whatever reason In theory, great idea.
Speaker 1Love the casting thought.
Speaker 3Is this another Tim Curry-Adams family moment where he was in the wrong movie? Maybe age?
Speaker 1might have played into it a little bit, but also the fact that it's like a stage live version probably also didn't help.
Speaker 5Yeah, I don't know that Walk-In was made for the stage.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1At least not in this role.
Speaker 5But unfortunately I have this thing that I can't get out of my head, so I have to go with Jeremy.
Speaker 3I understand. I can't believe he's played Hook before. I've blown my mind.
Speaker 5honestly, you said it he's like he's never played in pirate and I'm like, well, yes, but I don't think it landed over there. The United States has this weird thing where we like to do live stage plays on primetime television once a year.
Speaker 3It's incredible, like 2014, it came out.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 2We've done a horrible grease.
Speaker 5We've done a horrible Grinch one. We've done a lot of horrible stage live. The grease thing was good because of Vanessa Hudgens.
Speaker 1Was good. Julian Huff was good. The lead the Danny was bad, but he wasn't bad. He just wasn't Travolta. That was the only problem.
Speaker 5He's just not Travolta. Only one man can play Travolta. You had Vanessa.
Speaker 1Hudgens high school fame. You had Julian Huff dancing with a star's fame, and then you had the guy from Les Mis. That's the rebel leader.
Speaker 5Hudgens sang her Rizzo song better than Rizzo from the original. But no one can play Travolta except Nic Cage. That is it.
Speaker 2So alright.
Speaker 5Jeremy Irons is on the board. Oh my gosh, alright, peter Pan, peter Banning. I haven't done a lot of character descriptors coming up at this point because it's like you know who they are, but obviously this movie takes a lot of creative liberties with the character of Peter Pan.
Speaker 2He has left Neverland.
Speaker 5He's grown up and the real world has gotten ahold of him. It's honestly, when you watch Hood Now in your 30s, you're like man. That is depressing. This is like the death of child is what happened. Peter Pan grew up.
Speaker 1You watch him go hook about Peter having a midlife crisis.
Speaker 5And it's just like yeah, and it's just like obviously he's completely forgotten about Neverland and being Peter Pan. He has to be remembered and it's just beautifully written and it's great. And then, like even discovering his, rediscovering his childhood, it makes him a better dad, you hearing all that, dads you hearing it.
Speaker 1It's okay. It's okay to embrace childhood a little bit, a little bit of childhood. We don't want to go outside and shoot guns. Alright, we want you to be at our baseball games though.
Speaker 5I have to ask and like we're trying to close, we're trying to wrap up in this our last thing. But, ash, we mainly brought you on because you're from England. It's like Peter Pan like this massively important thing over there, because here it's like it's important that Disney made a cartoon that we saw as kids but obviously it's this important play, written by JM Berry, which is from your part of the world.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean we try and hold on to stuff written in the UK and then try and exploit it and have some kind of like hold on it Like we don't try and share it with the world, and we have that really obnoxious kind of like with James Bond like an American actor can't play. Yet you know, you guys allow Batman and Superman to be played by British people, so that's one thing I hate. But with Peter Pan, when Disney made Peter Pan, it was an absolute success. I think it was like one of the first times it was like oh, you're acknowledging a British Disney character instead of an American one. They did it a few times before.
Speaker 3We love Peter Pan. Yeah, it's been redone time and time again here and you know, like the TV movie of Christopher walking, we every year we have pantomines and most of it is re adaptations of just one character, maybe Captain Hook or Wendy or Peter Pan, and they have that ammunition to maybe even maybe just the Lost Boys. So and they do it time and time again. But yeah, we do have like a still I think a bit of an unnecessary grip on Peter Pan, where I actually think America probably exploited it to the world when Peter Pan came out as a Disney.
Speaker 3But yeah, it's one of those things. It's the same with, like I guess, winnie the Pooh, I think.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, oh, that's true, they both have a similar you have like the original cartoon, there's a live action continuation and there's also a book about, or a movie about, how they were made.
Speaker 5Yeah, oh, it's so true.
Speaker 1Ash have you been to the Peter Pan statue? In the park in.
Speaker 3London. You know what Nick? No, I have not been there, like Nick can testify to this. Like when Nick came here, he was showing me around when we were in Oxford I didn't know Tolkien's grave was in.
Speaker 1Oxford yeah when. I mean Ash hung out, we went to Tolkien's grave and to see us loose his house.
Speaker 5I've done all this. I've seen the Peter Pan statue and gone to Tolkien's grave, you've done more than.
Speaker 1I have, and I think we're more British than Ash.
Speaker 5I think they just call us tourists.
Speaker 3Honestly, you've probably done more of the cool stuff Like. I think it's because it's accessible and you just sort of take it for granted that you are like you know we're not doing it.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 5In all fairness, ash just told us he's visiting the state soon. He's like, hey, have you all been to the Twister Museum in Oklahoma? And we're like, no, yeah, I thought that was a good question. That's just how it is.
Speaker 3True, true, true yeah.
Speaker 5All right, I just thought. I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 3No no no.
Speaker 1Good question. I get a feel of people, so context, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5All right. So it's Peter Pan. It's awesome, played by the late Robin Williams. Horrible, horrible loss that we're all still feeling. Obviously, the voice of the genie in a lad, mrs Duffer, one hour photo. Good morning Vietnam. Oh my gosh, every it's Robin Williams. He's more from work at Mindy.
Speaker 2That's where I fell in love with him as a kid.
Speaker 5He shaved his upper body and arms for this role because Robin Williams is very he's a hairy man. Yeah, he became best friends with director Steven Spielberg while making this movie. Reportedly after Williams' death, spielberg decided to watch this movie out of remembrance, but couldn't finish it because he couldn't stop crying for several hours. Sounds like Tanner.
Speaker 1Listen, I was there when I have. I remember it happening and we tried to try to keep Tanner off the internet, but that's impossible.
Speaker 5Yeah, so Tanner loves Rob Williams, and that was a rough day in our house. Peter's backstory in this movie is Lucy, based on the book Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens. The first book Arthur, sir Jay and Barry wrote about the character in 1906. Specifically, this movie uses Peter managing to run away from home as an infant meaning fairies and discovering that his parents haven't had another child when he briefly returns home for its origin so yeah.
Speaker 5Hoffman described his co-star, robin Williams, as a person with two sides to his personality. He jokingly said one side was not the kind person you would want to raise as a kid in your house, but an absolute delight to work with. And he said that Williams had a very opposite side to his personality, in that he could be a very shy, insecure and vulnerable person who you could just want to give a big hug to. So often said at times Williams was very nervous about his performance in this movie off camera.
Speaker 1I mean, the more time we spend away from Robin Williams passing, the more you understand just how much he there's been interviews and stuff that come out with just how much he was struggling internally.
Speaker 5Yeah, the red flag type of. Thing and that, yeah, you know, and it's the sad clown thing where people start going there's a thing with people who are constantly like funny and trying to make everyone laugh, that really is on the inside you know. A lot of times it's like you sometimes look at Jim Carrey and you're like I hope he's fine.
Speaker 1It seems like he's found some.
Speaker 3Zen.
Speaker 5Moment to himself.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's definitely got some Zen. I think, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5Yeah, so all right.
Speaker 1No, I think, I think that you know we haven't talked, we haven't deep dubbed too much about the performances and stuff, but I do think, like they're all like so on point, Like this is one of those cast where it is. That's also why it's so hard to consider recasting it, because everybody, from Schmi up to up to here, like they just nail their goals, exactly what they need to be done. But and I think that this is like to me, like the best Robin Williams performance across the board, like you're getting the full Robin Williams experience, like he's getting to ad lib and have fun, like we see him do in Miss Doubtfire and Aladdin, but you're also getting to see some really dramatic chops being shown that you don't you only get to see in things like Goodwill Hunting and One Hour Photo and stuff like that.
Speaker 5What Dreams May Come, which is like one of my favorite Robin Williams performances, but I will never, ever, ever watch that movie ever ever again. So, yeah, it's true, it's like you just really see like this other side of them, for sure All right. Now that we're all sad, let's cast.
Speaker 3Thanks guys.
Speaker 5Let's recast Peter Pan.
Speaker 3Is it?
Speaker 5It's me again, Yep you made it All.
Speaker 1Right, okay, I'm just going to come straight to the point, Corey, there was one name that pretty much popped up and I, as I hunted, this is the only one that stuck to it Michael Keaton.
Speaker 5Gosh, that's good, oh man, oh.
Speaker 1Johnny. This year he's doing Johnny dangerously.
Speaker 5I don't love it.
Speaker 1Previously, the year before, is Mr Mom, and in 82, it's night shift. So we're getting about that point of Michael Keaton's career Obviously not Batman yet, obviously not into his 90s run with all of that where he's like an action hero, strangely. But here I think he has a good balance and we'll get the pull a little bit from what was so great as a Bruce Wayne and also getting to see him be more Beetlejuice and stuff like that a little bit with his ad lipping. I just think it's one of those like this fits, it works.
Speaker 5I'm looking for the flaw, but I can't find it.
Speaker 1You can't find it, I'm really worried for Ash.
Speaker 5Even where's the glasses?
Speaker 1Is Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 5It's really good, it's Michael Keaton. I don't know, maybe he's going to have to die first before people realize the range that man has. True, as an actor, he's originally a comedian. He was originally in a stand up and stuff. He does Batman. Everybody takes him seriously, but then he does multiplicity. Where he does both, he's Beetlejuice.
Speaker 5He is so much and then like it's so. It's like in this role you have to have a character going from one extreme to the other and he can obviously do that, but it's like when he's the mean dad yelling at the kid for throwing the ball in the plane. It's like the you want to get nuts, let's get nuts.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3I like it. Yeah, all right, okay, I'm going to cut to the chase. I love Michael Keaton. He's like one of my favorite actors. I'm so glad you know when. When that film came out, what's the one?
Speaker 1Birdman, birdman, yeah, that's it, the ironic film that came out and then you know it revived the key, yeah, the Keaton on, yeah.
Speaker 3So I love Michael Keaton and I don't have anything bad to say. All I'll say about my one when Robin Williams played Peter Pan, I was. He was homie, you know. It was just. He felt at home. Every you know. Just looking at him you felt like wow, that guy, you know that's someone's dad. You can just feel that in it's there's nothing Hollywood about it. There's nothing. You know. I'm not saying he's not a good looking, I'm not saying he's over the top, I'm just saying it was perfect. It was just like you got it when you saw Robin Williams and that was probably due to the way he was acting, the way he is as a person, the way he looks, and I felt that when I watched Peter Pan and with all of his films he was just very homie. You got a Robin Williams and you, you believed him in anything he did. This is why I've chosen this actor and I'm not trying to be meta here, but I just genuinely think this guy can do that. I feel very homie when I see this guy and I am telling you I am bringing Dustin Hoffman, I am casting Captain James Hook from the 84, from 91, and I'm going to put Dustin Hoffman and if you look at him, at Tootsie, he looks exactly like Robin Williams the same hair, the same height, the same passion you were talking about.
Speaker 3Meet the fuckers as well. He has that childish quality, he has range. He's established. He's done everything before this movie. He's got 82 to 85. He's doing nothing. Everything before, from straw dogs to, you know, to marathon man. He's done every single genre beforehand. I mean, I would, I, when I see Dustin Hoffman, I feel homie. And I love Michael Keaton. I love Michael Keaton's a bit, but I see, you know, he's kind of good looking, he's kind of eccentric, I like that as well. But with Dustin Hoffman I feel like it's quite on the nose with ironically as well, because he plays hook. But yeah, I feel that passion, but yeah, that's all I say Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 1Yeah, like it's. Your argument is just that he come, he plays a little bit more of like the every man, especially when you're talking about like.
Speaker 2Peter banning.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1And having the struggles of being a dad. We're trying to balance the job and work and work, work, work, home life kind of thing I can see that for sure. Yeah, and I didn't think about the meet the fuckers role he played for in terms of his, like, light energy. But yeah, and normally we're not the ones that like want to sit here and recast people that were in the previous movie, but sometimes, sometimes there's that overlap that happened.
Speaker 3I wanted to avoid that, but I just. Yeah, he reminded me of Robin Williams a bit when he was in meet the fuckers and I know it's an awful comparison to make, but he had that energy in him and, yeah, it's such a cool performance. I love it For sure.
Speaker 2Corey the time.
Speaker 1What's the time is now.
Speaker 5They're both brilliant, I actually. So I honestly don't really love it when we do the connective tissue thing a lot. I'm more into it if it was like a kid at the time and like we take it later, Like if we were casting McCulloch Hulk in like a 2018 home alone.
Speaker 1I'd be more into it. Like him playing like an adult character, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5Like I would be more into that Normally. I don't like this connective tissue stuff where we take someone from the original yeah, I mean 30 seconds or less I'm into it. For the big roles I'm less into it. But like tootsie man, he's a lot of fun and tootsie and he just did tootsie at 82. And it's like I see.
Speaker 1They both have like interesting like reverse trajectories as actors. Like Dustin goes from being a serious actor in his early years to being like a comedian actor. Yeah.
Speaker 3And then he does the opposite.
Speaker 1Yeah, tough choice, corey.
Speaker 5I think they're both equally perfect in different ways, and I can't believe I'm gonna say this when I'm going to Dustin Hoffman. What Whoa? Oh my God.
Speaker 1I guess everything you believe, Corey.
Speaker 5I know I honestly kind of mad at myself for not going with Keaton, but it's like I think what I like about the idea of Hoffman doing this is he's coming off like all the presidents of men Marathon man, tootsie Like he has like done this, just ring of like I'm the most serious actor in the world and maybe in 84, it's time to just let him have some fun.
Speaker 1Okay, I'm gonna be like I'm loose. I can see that All right.
Speaker 5And it's like I think it is the beat the fuckers thing that y'all brought up. I think that sealed it for me. I was like, oh my gosh, he can be this really lovable character.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5And I mean like obviously Keaton can too, but like I think I like taking the serious guy and forcing him to lighten up a little bit in 84, then doing the opposite with Keaton.
Speaker 1You've done it, ash, you have. You have beaten the odds, as it were. I'm gonna be upset at myself later. You probably are.
Speaker 5I'm gonna text Nick later and be like I'm sorry, I should have done something.
Speaker 3I'm gonna get like a five minute voicemail from from Corey later.
Speaker 5Like I am, Honestly, that's probably one of the more well played things y'all've ever put me through. I don't know that y'all could have brought two better actors for this role in 84.
Speaker 1When it went quiet I was like wow, Corey's like okay, well, just it's done, All right, All right.
Speaker 5Well, that is hook.
Speaker 1It is.
Speaker 5And what we think it would look like in 84 if we were in charge, by keeping ourselves within rules, of course. Obviously, the last thing is Nick continues to fill out the cast here, Do you guys think it's weird that there's not like a Neverland theme park? Like we have Harry Potter world, we have Star Wars world. Now Should there be like a Neverland theme park? That would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1I feel like there should be, Like I mean, it was literally built like that's. The whole beauty of the movie is like you look at it and go like, oh, I want to go to this place. This place looks like somewhere that would be fun to be at.
Speaker 5Did they build Pandora and I think, can I go to Pandora?
Speaker 1Yeah, you can go to Pandora. Okay, that's an animal kingdom over in Florida. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think the reason, the reason there's no Neverland, and it's because it's a one man show. There's only been one movie, there's no sequel, it's just been remade.
Speaker 2Whereas the others.
Speaker 3It must be that, because you can't make really a sequel to this. It's just a solo ghost, it's a solo gig, and then we make it a bunch of times and hope for the best. I guess For sure.
Speaker 5We should also mention the fact whether it was intentional or not, but you have to kind of like give them credit that they took out the more or less problematic Tiger Lily stuff they did.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5In 91, no one would have been saying you can't do it.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5It's just like. It's like some, either it was a timing issue or someone on set said, hey, this may not be a good idea.
Speaker 1This you know, maybe we shouldn't do that.
Speaker 5Maybe that was something people kind of like glare at at the animated movie and how.
Speaker 1I mean being a longer movie. Maybe that was also a logic of like there's just too much to cover.
Speaker 5Okay.
Speaker 1Yeah, right.
Speaker 5All right Hook in 1984 playing a gutless. The pirate that gets thrown in the boobox in a fun cameo will be Michael Jackson. Nice man, he's just. He just do thriller he did.
Speaker 3Oh my gosh he is. I was going to mention that, yeah.
Speaker 5Oh, wow, okay, I'm going to be playing the game right before it happens, because it's the boobox.
Speaker 5All right Doodles will be played by Bert Landcaster. Moira Banning will be played by Sally Field, of course. Um, thudbutt will be played by Leo O'Brien, of Last Dragon fame I'm a fan. Maggie Banning will be played by the poltergeist girl, heather O'Rourke, grandi and Granny Windy you both chose her, of course. Mary Poppins herself, julie Andrews Um, just take Maggie Song and give it to Granny Windy. Um, all right, smee will be played by Danny DeVito. That's also one that's going to bug me later. Uh, rufio will be played by a young Johnny Depp. Dean Gurbel will be played by Andy McDowell, jack Banning being played by Henry Thomas of ET fame. Captain James Luke will be played by Jeremy Irons and will essentially sound exactly the same. Um, and I mean that a good way. And then Peter Pan Banning and Mustache gonna be played by Captain Hook himself, dustin Hoffman, that's insane, it is insane.
Speaker 1I really thought I had a solid, can't lose thing there and Ash came out of nowhere. I did.
Speaker 5I thought you did too. I don't know you. You messed up by having too much of a conversation about Dustin Hoffman.
Speaker 3Yeah, I had that Matt Damon moment in air at the end, just like let's just let it all out now.
Speaker 5My gosh, that is. I weirdly like it. I'm gonna be bugged about like in a week, but luckily in two or three weeks off. Forget we ever did this episode, that's true.
Speaker 1And then I'll be like one day we'll do hook Like Corey. We've done that weeks ago, it's like you're lying, all right.
Speaker 5Well, that was hook. That's 1984. Ash, thanks for joining us. Uh on all the social media platforms. Go and find us, interact with us, engage with us, tell us who you would cast in this 1984 version, and try to keep yourself in the bounds of the rules, because this is hard.
Speaker 1It is, this is harder than we make it look.
Speaker 3Yeah, promise.
Speaker 5And so, um, nick watches like 18, 1984 movies this week and I'm just like Nick, calm down, just Google things. So, um, but we hope you enjoyed it. If you've never seen hook, please go watch it, because it's incredible. Give it a better rating on Evert Um, but thanks for joining us. We'll be back next time. Should we tell them what we're doing? I think we should. We will be doing because there's a musical adaptation. I don't know. I don't know if the movies are remake or a musical or remake.
Speaker 1It is a, it is a remake. Oh, it's a. It's a. It's the musical Broadway version being made into a movie.
Speaker 5Mean girls.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's got to mean girls.
Speaker 5Mean girls, uh, from the early 2000s, the Lindsay Lohan movie. We will be doing that. We're actually going to be taking it very controversially to 1984 because, come on, mean girls is a brat pack movie that got made in the 2000s.
Speaker 1It's it's our first back to back year. We've never done this before but you know, first beginning of the year got to start off with a bang.
Speaker 5All fairness. There were no teenage girls and hook, so it's still, everything's on the board.
Speaker 3So it's great.
Speaker 1And we'll be joined next week by our friend of the podcast. She's been on a few other times on Barbie and a Wizard of Oz, to name a few, but Ali Dale will be joining us next week. Allison Dale, woo, ali, good time.
Speaker 5We'll be joining us. It'll be great. So, um, watch, mean girls, freshen up, and then I think, by the time this drops, you should be able to have seen the musical remake.
Speaker 1If you care about watching it, if you care about such things.
Speaker 5And so please join us. Thanks for thanks for listening. Say good night, nick.
Speaker 1Bye.