Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
We are a time-traveling film podcast that journeys through time to take classic films, blockbusters and cult favorites, to recast them in different years!
Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
Quantum Reaction: 2024 State of Movies (So Far)
It’s time for a fresh take! After a whirlwind summer filled with international escapades and a deep dive into scriptwriting, Cory and Nick are shaking things up. We’re setting aside our usual recasting format for a bit to bring you spirited conversations about everything movies and pop culture. Ever wondered why college football fans go wild for their teams? Or how Disney castles stack up against their European counterparts? We’ve got thoughts—and lots of them.
Next, we tackle the phenomenon that is Pat McAfee. From NFL punter to media maverick, McAfee’s brash style is either revolutionizing sports media or just a passing fad. We draw parallels to larger-than-life figures like Donald Trump and discuss the impact of celebrity podcasts on smaller shows. Plus, we share some hilarious and relatable stories about the rollercoaster ride that is fantasy football.
Our conversation then sails through the choppy waters of recent films and controversial pop culture debates. Is "Mad Max: Furiosa" a worthy successor? Was Dennis Quaid’s "Reagan" doomed by political biases? And what’s the real deal with "The Acolyte"? We delve into the broader trends of hyper-analyzing entertainment and the nuances of cancel culture. So, grab your popcorn and get ready for a dynamic episode brimming with insights, laughs, and thoughtful commentary on the state of pop culture today.
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Terran Sherwood (@terransherwood)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
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Nick Growall
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"Charmer" - Coat...
Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast. Nick, I want to ask you about college football.
Speaker 2:Uh hi, okay, Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Uh yes, Alright, so, by the way, this is Quantum Recast.
Speaker 2:It is right. I'm confused now.
Speaker 1:But we will be doing no recasting on this episode, not today. Not today, nick. We've had a summer. We've had a summer and, by the way, I'm going to come back to college football but we have to explain what we're doing.
Speaker 2:Okay, got it, got it got it.
Speaker 1:Yes, we've had a summer. You've been in Africa.
Speaker 2:You went to.
Speaker 1:South America. I went to South America wedding because we were globetrotting other places.
Speaker 2:Money was an issue. We only have so much money.
Speaker 1:But it looked lovely.
Speaker 2:Ash, it did, it looked lovely.
Speaker 1:He said it was very great. We're not sure that you're not royalty or that you didn't marry royalty. To be honest, your wedding did not look like an American wedding, so not sure if you're just bathing in money.
Speaker 2:I feel like that's a compliment, to be honest. Or if just european weddings look awesome.
Speaker 1:I mean they have the cathedrals and like and ours are just like baptist churches that have been there since the 50s it's like that joke when disney world started building parks over there and they, like they get to magical kingdom like we gotta. The castle's gotta be big yeah, we can't just, we can't just get by with like oh, a castle, we gotta build a real one, because they actually have them here. So that's like the joke. Um and so uh, because the magical kingdom castle this one's not really big, not that big yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just looks big.
Speaker 1:You gotta go to disney world for cinderellas but even then that one's not that big, not on the same level it's still like you're like, oh, like. When I go to like when I went to europe, I was like I need to see castles yeah, yeah, so, um, but yeah, so we've had a summer, um, it's been busy, yes, um, and I would just say that I guess we've had a little burnout, just mentally, physically going on, and so we need to pull back a little bit on a few things yeah, and quantum recast was one of those things, because, whether you realize it or not, those episodes take sometimes stupid amounts of work.
Speaker 1:It's you gotta watch the movie, you gotta pay attention, you gotta like the whole time you're're on. Imdb, looking for stuff and it just lives in your head for days.
Speaker 2:You gotta think about if Corey's gonna hate or love your decision.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I mean like you're just like you've made your list, you do it and you're just sitting at work and you just yell out Denzel Washington, and everyone looks at you and you're like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:Never mind, I'm not insane.
Speaker 1:And so we?
Speaker 2:we just need a break from the traditional construct of quantum recast and we've got stuff going on through the rest of the year, like Corey and I wrote a script and we're trying to actually get a movie made, yeah, so there's that.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a big deal, so we don't have time for other movies Not at the moment or recasting other movies at least Sure, sure so, but we didn't want to like leave we yeah we wanted to just take a break and just do more of a stupid traditional pop culture movie podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I was having a conversation with a friend a few weeks ago and we were in some conversation. They called the culture cursed and that's been living in my brain.
Speaker 2:And I'm like I just kind of want to do that, I just want to talk about how pop culture is kind of broken. That's fair.
Speaker 1:In a weird way. Yeah, you know, and I mean what I'm talking about. Either you're one of those people that's just rage baiting everyone with stupid opinions, or you're mad at the people rage baiting everyone with stupid opinions, and so we thought we'll talk about the stupid opinions yes of the world and just there's lots of them but we also are going to open it up to things like college football and music and other, just whatever happens to cross our minds.
Speaker 2:I guess we're just going to do a pop culture podcast for a for a hot minute, for a hot minute. See, you got half. The people are clicking off. There's like well, what movie I wanted to recast what happened to the lost boys never happening.
Speaker 1:So um, that's what happened to. It never happened got it so it's just gonna be me and nick for a little while for a moment I'm just talking about pop culture. Yeah, um and uh. So, but nick, I've got, I've got.
Speaker 2:So yeah, now that we've established that college football.
Speaker 1:Corey Nick, I hate it so much. And it's just that time of year and we're in an election year. It's like saying you're a blue dot in a red state.
Speaker 2:That's my life with college football. Well, you hate the major university in the state, Oklahoma University.
Speaker 1:I just don't get college football period. It's not like I love a different college.
Speaker 2:But I do hate.
Speaker 1:Oh, you a little bit more, because you watch sports, you watch football like you're a steelers fan. It shocks people that they find out that I do watch sports on occasion well, you know, we're the the movie guys yeah, getting outside of a box is just unheard of yeah, no, like I like I like professional football, like I'm a steelers fan I'll watch cowboys games and things I'll laugh at the cowboys and so I mean like I don't, but I don't like wear the shirts and stuff and I don't like I don't like have to see every Steelers game, like I'm not wearing a Heinz Ward jersey throwback.
Speaker 1:I could go a whole weekend and not see football and be okay okay, you know, not my father's experience, but yes yeah, so like I'm, but like, and I'm more of a basketball person, sure you know, here's my thing, man, I, I just, and I know why. But every year I get angry, so angry, at the first couple weeks college football.
Speaker 2:We're so proud that our massive d1 hyper athlete school beat up the tiny school it's, you know like I had a few friends over to watch a few games saturday and we were also watching wrestling but also watching college football, and it was because you're a man, because I'm a man, and it was just like, and you're watching the game, like, oh, they scored, they scored again.
Speaker 2:Maybe the team will come back. Oh no, they won't. They won't because they're, they're nobodies. So, yeah, it's, it's like all that well, because people are, so they've had, they've been nine months without football, without violence, and so they're like, yes, we finally get to have football again. And even if it's just we're beating up on the little guy, it's still like, yeah, my football team's back yeah, and I mean like, and to explain, we're from oklahoma, right, we don't have a pro football team and so the oklahoma sooners are.
Speaker 1:They are the pro football team, yes, you know, and so that's why I just have a misplaced hatred for them. They've never done anything well.
Speaker 2:You grow up a lot of people grow up and that's just the thing, the state you grow up in. Generally you will be the fan of that one of those teams. You pick a team and you just live sooner born and sooner bred, and then you die, sooner dead. But you know, in some cases, like my father, he grew up in kentucky. They don't have a great football team, but he watched the game of the century back in like the 70s between nebraska and oklahoma. His dad and uncle my uncle went for nebraska, so he's like I'm gonna go for ou and he's just been on board packed up his life and moved to oklahoma and he, just he, just he, just said I'm in I'll count it all the way in.
Speaker 1:I just hope that's true, it's I mean it's partially true, okay, all right. So, um, but like that's my thing and my thing, nick, is, why can't the nfl do that? Why can't the cowboys just pick a d2 school and just beat the?
Speaker 2:crap out of the first week, just because for all the same reasons which is, you see, cory, that would require the cowboys to be good oh anybody, all right name. Any NFL team, all NFL teams should just get to pick whatever D2 school that Really you would just pick like a UFL, xfl, ussfl or whatever's existing now and just be like we're going to beat up on them. But that's why they but the NFL's no better. They have five weeks or so of preseason games which is really like Dak Prescott might run a series.
Speaker 1:Well, that's just the other dudes trying to get their jobs. That's the walk-ons trying to get their jobs.
Speaker 2:But people go to those games. They pack out Arlington.
Speaker 1:Stadium. I've been to one of those games. I went to a preseason game, it's like the only affordable way to go to an NFL game. Yeah, I went and watched the dude with the great hair for Jaguars play the Cowboys Paul Amato. No, and that was fun, and I might have seen Baby Blue Eyes, joe Burrow, play a preseason game too in the Cowboys. Yeah, I've been to preseason games. I don't not really.
Speaker 2:I've never been to an actual major NFL game. I've been to an MLB game Rangers game. I've been to Oklahoma City Thunder Mavericks games well, just to wrap up the football thing because, yeah, all of our Movie fans are like what in the hell are they talking about? Try to tie this into movies.
Speaker 1:They're like sitting there like this is going to get to weird. Corey's got something up his sleeve.
Speaker 2:Remember the Titans somehow.
Speaker 1:No, I don't. I don't, but like it's whatever.
Speaker 2:I grew up in this part of the world, my parents are diehard OU people, which, again, I just grew up and going like neither of go there it's a school.
Speaker 1:That's my.
Speaker 2:I just want to yell it's a school see, the problem is is that you think too logically about football and universities in a grand scale. You don't look at it as just our team like. You don't reference ou as like we got a good win today. We picked up a d, a number one prospect, I know when we talk about football, we go yeah, the Sooners, I guess they won. We don't go, we won.
Speaker 1:It's like no, that's the thing it's the, and for all week I've been getting like the boomer sooner. We really took it to temple and it's like you're proud of that. You're the fifth grader that just beat up a first grader on the playground and now you're strutting down the hall. It's like, come on, man, at least just don't be proud of it.
Speaker 2:I would be happy if let these two weeks happen and just it's like three weeks or so. Yeah, it's, it's well. Now it's like a month before anyone plays college, now the sec. It's like either they get two non-conference games like this and then in november they just randomly play, like you know, tech university. It feels made up. That's my problem.
Speaker 1:It feels made up, it's made up like they should have tighter things. Like, if you're, you should only play the people in your thing and that's it in the division one, yeah, and if you have a number by your name, you should only play the people in your thing and that's it In the Division I yeah, and if you have a number by your name, you should only play people with numbers by their name. You're right. You're right and I get the argument, which is the first week's supposed to be like morale, and then the little school makes a lot of money.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:Which, hey, I think that works for the NFL. If Temple went and played the freaking New England Patriots, people would tune in.
Speaker 2:They would, the diehards would, for sure. People are starved for football. That's why these weeks work, because it's a build-up and they're like, okay, now we're getting into the middle schedule, we're going to see OU finally play Texas again in Tennessee. We're going to see Georgia down the line if we make it all the way to the championship.
Speaker 1:And you're like you're not going to make it to the championship. Wanted to complain um all right. So let's talk pat mccarthy, let's, let's ease our way out of sports okay into a pop culture, sports adjacent thing. Got it right, because pat mccarthy is more, he's more of a pop culture thing yes, he's a tv.
Speaker 2:He's a tv like commentator personality yeah, like he has a sports show, sure he's? He switches between football in the fall and then wrestling the rest of the yeah he does pro wrestling. Yes, he talks pro, talks pro wrestling, sometimes wrestles.
Speaker 1:But I called him the hot to a girl of sports. Yeah, elaborate on that. It's because it's like he's this very energetic went viral for maybe all the non-sports reasons.
Speaker 2:Because he was just a kicker for the cult right he was a punter. Punter, okay, might have been both.
Speaker 1:Possibly didn't even score points but it's not, he's not tom brady with a podcast. It's not like all these nba dudes that like you know, have podcasts and they, you know, have the rings and they can talk about the good old days or whatever this is just a dude who's just got a real, a lot of energy and people like it yes you know, I, I would, I would, I would.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's like a flash in the pan type of thing, like hawk to a girl is I, do, I, you don't think that we're getting to a point where we're kind of watching him like his third, I think like college football season going, like he's just kind of like a kid with adhd, I mean he is I think what I told you earlier was like and I had a very, very wild, uh comparison to it but I do feel like he kind of represents the college bro, college football bro, like a football head guy, the people in their 20s, 30s and 40s, maybe 50s, that just are the dudes.
Speaker 2:He's like every dude that's out with his friends on a saturday, drinking beer, talking football, talking trash and stuff or whatever you know like he represents that guy and I think that that's why people like him and I think he's such a different breath of fresh air from like the you know suit and tie kind of stuffiness that ESPN has had in the past. You know forever that I think it it becomes off as a fresh cause. He like curses and stuff on his show and stuff and like they just let it slide. Like this.
Speaker 2:This would not have existed, you know, pre COVID by any means, and I podcasting he did. He had his own show on youtube and then they put him on espn and and he got on wrestling really big. So I think he's just built this whole thing around his personality. So it could very well crash and burn, I think, like you're saying, but I think right now it's just that fresh breath shot in the arm that espn and and their likes kind of needed and it's kind of keeping quote-unquote cable tv alive for them a bit. You're describing 2016, donald trump. Yes, that's. That's literally that's the comparison. I literally said I was like people, like what he says. He's a little brash.
Speaker 1:He's not a politician right he's not.
Speaker 2:He's just not a regular sports guy. He's. He's played the sport, he knows what it's like. He's telling the truth, damn it. So that's that's. I think that's it.
Speaker 1:I think that's it's without all the like you know questionable past and stuff like that means we should, means we should say that Pat McAfee is probably a far more ethical human being.
Speaker 2:I would say so Zero felonies, zero so far, to my knowledge.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I like what you're saying. Maybe he's just good for viewership, but I'm more looking at him like is he the 2024 Donald Trump, not the 2016 one? Are we kind of looking at him, going like gave this a shot, but I could see him going for a little out of the cage.
Speaker 2:I could feel him going a little further. I could. I could see differently than a Donald Trump. I could see him actually crossing a line where they actually go. That's too much. We got to pull you back.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't have to apologize for some stuff already in the last year or stuff but like, and it's whatever that's just being on TV now and being open to social media.
Speaker 2:You to social media. You're gonna say something that offends somebody and you have to like, yeah, make amends for it.
Speaker 1:I get it, I get it no, I mean like no like I'm not bashing pat mccaffey other than he's one of those other celebrities that started a podcast and buried ours right, you know so um kovid killed us the numbers started to go dwindling a little bit when the kelsey brothers came to town. Oh, my gosh. Why are we even talking? Forget sports. I'm out of out of it, we're done.
Speaker 2:So we're done All right, welcome back to the podcast, everybody. You probably clicked on the 16-minute mark or so because it's tagged as not sports.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tagged as not sports, which we probably won't do a sports segment every week because I don't have a lot.
Speaker 2:That's fair.
Speaker 1:That's fair Other than my family's dragged me back into fantasy football reluctantly a terrible time.
Speaker 2:We haven't even started. Somebody asked me and I was like that's too much. The season hasn't even started and I'm already having a terrible time.
Speaker 1:That's just sports in general is misery. I got the first round pick and I drafted CeeDee Lamb and then 10 minutes later my mom goes. He's not even signed to the team.
Speaker 2:I'm like what he signed piece of paper. He is All is well. He should be fine Until the Cowboys lose again.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, other than sports Corey, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1:I want to apologize to our friend Peyton Guthrie, who has an OU podcast. Please still be our friend.
Speaker 2:Listen to that they know 16 minutes. Just imagine what four guys that actually know college football are going to give you. Go listen to that. Through the keyhole, through the keyhole.
Speaker 1:They're going to talk up sports way better than we did. They do a great job with it. So, moving on to our more expertise.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, films, films, cinema, corey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, nick, I don't have a lot of social media. I got rid of Facebook in like 2008.
Speaker 2:That's healthy. I never went back.
Speaker 1:I think my wife created me one just so she could say married to.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, corey Williams, I've sent you stuff and you never respond. I don't even have the password to it. Oh okay, I've never checked it.
Speaker 1:Now we know she just wanted it to be like I am married to this guy.
Speaker 2:I promise he's real. I promise they want you to have all this stuff that says your name and like that proves you're married, and they literally said like you're not even on facebook.
Speaker 1:It was part of the thing. It was like you're not facebook official. Yeah, it was literally without saying it. They were kind of like would look really good if you had a facebook and said married it'd be great if you had your linkedin setup and all of your, your background. It was wild, but yeah, so that's. I do have one, I've just never checked it in the last you don't have enough inspirational quotes on your instagram I'm sorry you gotta bump those baby, those numbers up.
Speaker 1:Those are rookie numbers I left twitter because it's gross. I have instagram, you do. The problem with instagram is they created their own twitter and it automatically like it's there yeah it's like there's no instagram without threads you signed up for, you dove in. Yeah and so I I clicked on it and I'm kind of back into it. I'll probably quit.
Speaker 2:You're one of the few people that actually like committed to threads, like everybody tried it for a week because that was when it was hot and Twitter was like falling to pieces and everybody's like yeah, and then they're like, oh, this kind of sucks.
Speaker 1:So threads is like it's almost the opposite of X, twitter, whatever we're calling it. Sure, and it's like it probably goes a lot more to left than the far right that X gets accused of, which I mean. At the end of the day, it's all algorithms.
Speaker 2:It's all algorithms and what you're liking.
Speaker 1:And some people are just sadist and they just like their own pain. Yeah, they just want the violence of all that stuff and you go and you argue with the Nazis. Then the Nazis are going to show up.
Speaker 2:You're looking to be in a bad mood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so my threads, luckily, I mean, it's a lot of like, I mean, most of the political stuff's just about Tim Walls being adorable.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And then it's mostly movie stuff, okay, and so I go through it a lot and just again, like I brought up at the top, a lot of rage bait, a lot of like just asking stupid questions just to get engagement. Sure, but I'm like that's most of the internet and my thing is, I will often respond to these things and never hit send.
Speaker 2:that's the best way to handle it. I love it.
Speaker 1:It's like I said what I said. But then I'm like who cares?
Speaker 2:because then you don't have to get into an eternal argument with somebody exactly and I said, cory, you have a podcast, get out of here cowardly, like just with all the cowardice in the world, attack these same questions without them being able to respond.
Speaker 1:They'll never know they'll have to find us no to know, and we're not even on threads I don't think I mean we are.
Speaker 2:Oh, we are. Do we do anything? We try to All right. There's too many social medias to keep up with.
Speaker 1:Okay. So listen, I'm pulling a lot of stuff from threads for this pop culture podcast that we're doing now for the time being, love it. Love it, even know the legal ramifications of saying names, but someone said honest question uh, has this been an exceptionally poor year for films? And I was like you know what? We're wrapping up the summer, sure you know, which is when all the blockbusters all the big movies summer blockbuster season and so, nick, you are still trying to keep the movie theater alive. God bless you, I'm trying.
Speaker 2:Thank you, um, and so you go I would argue no, I no, I think it's. I think it's just. What are you? What are you saying? Are you the type of person that's just going to watch the IP movies, the Avengers, the DCs of the world, the Disney stuff of the world, like the regurgitated stuff? Like, yeah, you probably look at it and go most of the ip stuff, like I don't feel like it's been.
Speaker 2:There's not one that sat on me like, oh my gosh, this was just trash. You know like this is just a monumental failure. Like marvel took a break. Like they only ever released, you know, deadpool, wolverine this year, because they realized like oh, we're kind of screwing up here. Like even star wars just has, like the acolyte, which already got all the hate, it got this this summer. But like you're you're talking about, like maybe the worst egregious thing was like kong versus godzilla versus kong. But people, just we got two different versions of kong.
Speaker 2:One was a good movie and the other one was just like if you want to see crazy stuff, like a saturday morning cartoon, that's right up your alley, you know like you don't have to watch it. But at the same time, I think there's plenty of stuff on the lower end that like it's's just a matter of access. I feel like like there's a lot of movies I haven't got to see yet because I was like, well, I want to see that but it's only playing in Dallas or somewhere two hours away and I have to wait until it gets on digital and by then I kind of forget about it. So like it's one of those words like at the end, what I've seen and what I I've looked at friends reviewing movies and the movies I've seen, I would disagree. I think it's been, that's been, a good year for movies. I think I. I don't, I can't say that there's been like just a 9 1999 level of like output, but I don't think it's a bad year okay you know what was a was a bad year.
Speaker 2:It was 2020 because there was nothing Like. When we go back to that you're trying to look at like the top tens and all that stuff, it's like there's nothing here.
Speaker 1:It's like movies like studios had on the shelves. Right, they're like I guess we'll put this out, we'll just drop it on digital or something, and see what get they even existed acne movie. Screw that. No one wants that and you're like I would love that I really wanted.
Speaker 2:There's a legal procedural drama with john cena and the coyote. I hate listen zavloff or whatever his name is, like he can just need a new plague.
Speaker 1:He needs. No, no, no, no, we can get back, girl.
Speaker 2:We tried, we tried that, we tried that. Um well, all right, of the 24 movies that I have seen thanks to my letterbox, you've got thing, you've got. You got Deadpool. Wolverine, which I thought was just fun. Twisters, what's okay. Furiosa is a mixed bag. Planet of the Apes had a solid edition. You've got things like you know. Challengers, which is kind of like an indie hit. Godzilla, the Ghostbusters movie, which wasn't as bad as I thought. It's still very much like a, a legacy sequel, like it just has the symptoms say all those movies again those are all the big ones.
Speaker 2:So you've got Deadpool, wolverine they came.
Speaker 1:It's number two right now.
Speaker 2:Twisters.
Speaker 1:Twisters is number nine. Furiosa, furiosa is 15. This box 18.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, is this box office? Yeah, okay, currently sitting at 18 challengers challengers okay, that's gonna be down it's gonna be down 28 actually, never mind ghostbusters.
Speaker 1:Ghostbusters was 14 monkey man.
Speaker 2:Monkey man's like 48, but that was really good. That's one I think people have missed out on yeah uh, you have the roadhouse remake that we watched together um, I don't know that it has a box office.
Speaker 1:It probably doesn't. It was amazon but you've got.
Speaker 2:You've got things like that little gems that got lost on streaming, that are okay. But then you've got smaller movies like the drive-away dolls and love lies bleeding and lisa. Frankenstein dune 2 came out this year love lies bleeding was awesome, it was sick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I loved it so much. But yeah, like I think it's just, and that's just the movies I've been able to watch this year. Okay, so I would disagree, I would. I think that's just people it's the same thing all the time like oh, we don't have it as good as we had it before. The movies are bad. It's like sorry that the movie that touched you like in a good way, was like has not come out yet, you know, like has engaged you enough okay, all right, that's fair no, I mean what are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1:I don't go to the movie theater anymore, but the movies you watch like I, just I call it dead and gone. Man, it has to be something, just an event to bring me up. I went and saw Deadpool Wolverine because I was like this is going to be an event with a lot of spoilers that are going to be on the internet in two days.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:If not immediately. And I mean I think I saw them on the drive home, yes, so I was like all right, cool, I'm going to go watch this.
Speaker 2:It was a good time, I'll say this I just genuinely do, I think it was even more fun than the three Spider-Mans. And that's a taste thing. I think Deadpool, Wolverine was meant to be a crowd pleaser, just a fun. It's a comedy. It's a buddy comedy. Spider-man was trying, it was aiming for like a little bit more serious, like kind of Endgame tones, but just.
Speaker 2:Spider-Man, you know, yeah, and people between then and now, like there's just been a mixed bag, depending on how you feel about all the movies that have come out, and people are sick of multiverse, like they've said. Like there's been some rumor that Sony wants the next Spider-Man to be a multiverse story, but Marvel's like we wanted him to be a ground neighborhood Spider-Man movie because we literally left him like that in the last movie. Yeah, and like that's been a joke that's been online of. Like they're just saying, uh, they're making this and it's like we're making, uh, godzilla versus kong and it's going to be another multiversal story and people are just like god.
Speaker 2:I'm sick of this yeah, I think people are done with it, but you're also thinking about like long legs is a big deal, like people were like I don't know that much about it, you, you got 23, yeah, city sweeney with immaculate, and then, uh, the, the can't find it shamalon came back with trap. I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1:It was successful trap actually came in pretty high.
Speaker 2:It was uh 31 already and it's a pretty new movie, so there's stuff there. I just think it's just a matter of going out to see it. You know your max scenes for horror people. You've got civil war, like if you, I think that was apparently like just an underrate. Everybody was kind of like, okay, this was good, but there's just, it wasn't mass. But yeah, I think it's just finding what you're looking for. All right, let's do it. Nick.
Speaker 1:Yes, we do it every episode anyways, the top 10 of 2024.
Speaker 2:So far.
Speaker 1:At the box office. So far, number 10,. It ends with us I know nothing about it other than Blake Lively's in a lot of trouble. Oh, is that the one where she's like dating yeah to interviewers or something I don't know. I can't keep up with it. Nine Twisters, eight Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Seven Bad Boys Ride or Die.
Speaker 2:That's in the top ten.
Speaker 1:Yes, how does Bad Boys keep doing it? I don't know, how is Bad Boys 3, bad Boys 4 Life if Bad Boys 4 is just called Ride or Die?
Speaker 2:Listen, corey, it's infuriating, it is it's infuriating. It is it's infuriating. You know how I feel about mistitled movies.
Speaker 1:So all right. Kung Fu Panda 4 they didn't even try with a clever for Godzilla Kong. New Empire.
Speaker 2:Dune, part 2.
Speaker 1:Despicable Me 4, deadpool, wolverine at 2 and Inside Out 2 came in at 1 the Inside Out one.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen it. I've heard really good things about it's just and I loved when it broke a billion dollars. Everyone's like like, I don't believe that. I'm like. I mean, it's a Disney Pixar movie based on a previously really good one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And there's nothing else in theaters, allegedly so, the general audience is going to be like, well, I can take my kids to see this. I can't take my kids to Arrakis.
Speaker 1:Wait, why can't they take them?
Speaker 2:Because it's Dune.
Speaker 1:Oh cartoon, oh yeah, it's, it's serious art, sci-fi, art, cory well, like, let's talk about this for a second then, because I think this is an interesting concept, because we do. Someone asked has this been an abysmal year, which is like I would tell that dude, I don't know, I guess for you, but I guess it depends on how you take in movies are you just like.
Speaker 2:Film is like objective or something yeah, I subjective.
Speaker 1:Subjective, excuse me it's almost like I'm an idiot or something yeah, well, no, it's just like most people approach social media as an objective art like it's like well, I'm right, this is the only way you can view this thing because, uh, I think it's interesting because it is just go see what you see or wait for it to come to your house you know, like I plan on renting long legs sometime this week. I never saw it in theaters because I was like it'll be on amazon and you.
Speaker 2:You have accepted the role of patience I have absolutely accepted.
Speaker 1:I mean again if there's like an event, I'm gonna go yeah like something with that's gonna have heavy spoilers, blah, blah, blah. Then sure I'll go, but anything else I'm like I can wait and I can just rent it for $20. The second it hits Amazon. It's a little premium thing and I'm still saving money then going to the movie theater, you know.
Speaker 2:I would say there's just hasn't been as many bombs like for like every Argyle. I haven't seen like one where it's just like this, just sucked well, apparently mad max furiosa is a flop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it made 170 million dollars, but it didn't blow up cost 300 million.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't blow up like it, like mad fury road did at all.
Speaker 1:So but uh, but that you know. Whatever, I think george miller is just a one-on-one-off kind of guy well, you think he makes for every good movie makes a bad yeah, I think he's just, I think that's just really been his life this was.
Speaker 2:I told people this was him trying to make like his warm piece in the mad max world, because it's not just a front to end like action chase movie, it's. We're gonna expand and go around and we're doing this whole chapters thing and we're gonna look at it from different people's perspectives and see if we're building the lore a lot yeah and it didn't always go the right way, like some stuff just didn't make sense yeah, no, I think I think you're right.
Speaker 1:It I didn't love it. I. I hated it.
Speaker 2:I liked the exploration of the world. But there were things where I was like, well, that doesn't make sense and that doesn't help fury road at all.
Speaker 1:So I just think it's a prequel. It's a failure. Um all the big moments, we never got the big moments. So anyways, we're going to talk about this. I saw this on threads.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Dennis Quaid's made a movie called Reagan Right, which is probably just a bad year for it. I have no idea what Dennis Quaid's politics are, to be honest.
Speaker 2:I would say he's probably conservative.
Speaker 1:Maybe, I don't know if he's an outwardly. But his son's Jack Quaid, who's super, not. He's in the most liberal TV show like satirical TV show of all time, right now the Boys. So I mean, are they just not speaking, or is he just a?
Speaker 2:cool conservative that's like I'm a son of a son.
Speaker 1:He takes Meg's side of the family yeah maybe I don't know what Meg's politics are, but either way we made a movie about one of the more notorious conservative republicans of ronald reagan yeah, and released it in an election year, so the critics gave it an 18 rotten score. Sure it's got a 98 audience score on rotten tomatoes, yeah, which is wild. That is an 80 percent differential yes in taste, so wait.
Speaker 2:So the audience loved it 98 oh you know.
Speaker 1:Now, of course, rotten tomatoes has changed something.
Speaker 2:Now, where things don't get certified fresh, it's like a popcorn meter yeah, like you said, it's like a hot thing like if the audience is like it, it still stays like fresh and rotten with the critics it's called a popcorn meter. Yeah, um, apparently apparently qu is an independent voter. He says he's always been. But when he voted for Reagan back in the 80s and apparently he said like that, they took my hippie card for that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So he? The quote of the title of this article from USA Today is he's saying he's nostalgic for liberal Republicans. So maybe he just kind of rides the line a little bit.
Speaker 1:either way, I think it's like one of those things where now everyone's saying like all critics are bashing it without giving it a shot because you know chances are if you're a pop culture journalist you're probably left yeah, you know, on some degree sure you know, you went to a liberal arts college journalism degree, so you're probably mad. There's a ronald reagan movie and that or that conservatives are review bombing. Yeah, the other side just saying excellent, and they haven't even seen it. You know, they're just like it's about reagan.
Speaker 2:Can't go wrong well, I think there's also something to say about, not just because reagan's an extreme example, but think about twisters. You saw twisters? Right, yeah, like I would call that I. I wouldn't call it a conservative movie, but I would call it a mid midwest kind of heart of america, friendly movie you know what I mean because, like it's, it's a country-filled soundtrack, like it's it's taking place and filmed in oklahoma and so you're getting like that heartland kind of like mindset.
Speaker 2:It's very much aiming for that nerve and pulse and I think that's why a lot of people really like, liked it and kind of came out for it yeah, so I think you're getting. They're. They're figuring out that there is a conservative side or just a more like rural side of moviegoers well, yeah conservatives see movies right that's the thing.
Speaker 1:I think that's the thing people forget is they may not go see george clooney, right, they're not.
Speaker 2:They may not go watch. Like you know, love lies, bleeding or something, but they're like I'll go watch a shoot them up or something like I would love to watch love lies bleeding with.
Speaker 1:Like just a conservative, oh my gosh just a textbook conservative. That would be wild, like not even an extreme conservative, because I just feel like they'd be like well, I like the guy with the guns and the gun range, but there was a lot of lesbians there's a lot of interesting, crazy stuff going on in this movie because it would just be really a conservative have to be torn by that movie.
Speaker 2:Right, got this weird second amendment thing going, but then it's very like I sat next to like this very old, like couple in no hard feelings by jennifer lawrence and like it immediately made me uncomfortable because it was like I was watching it with my grandparents and it's like this raunchy r-rated comedy like and it has heart and it has moments. But there's definitely moments where I was like I'm trying to just pretend they're not here, but I feel weird sitting next them, sitting right next to me, so I'm like jennifer lawrence, just runs on screen butt naked you just hear the old lady.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think they had a good time, I think they enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's good, but like it is interesting and, like you know, mainly the threads thing with this whole reagan movie is that, like well, they want it to suck, so they're just like well, obviously, what I see is like they're like, well, critics know more, like they're obviously educating this and I'm like, yeah, stupid Cause if it cause.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you think about it from the perspective of a very, from a very, very conservative people, like they have been regurgitated for decades now, like that Reagan's the best, he's the best thing since Lincoln or or since Trump. I like they kind of deified him a little bit and so I my curiosity is like how real, how truthful, how accurate is this movie like? Is it just like a feel-good, kind of like small budgeted movie where, like, reagan saved america, kind of thing, where everybody and everybody's very like hoorah about it without diving in? It's kind of like bohemian rhapsody that they didn't really touch too hard. They go too hard in the paint with, like, his drug addiction, yeah, the hiv stuff, like they. They touched on it but they didn't like make it. They didn't really dig, dig deep into it.
Speaker 1:That's because the people surrounding it well, yeah, like I mean you can, you can get like stupid movies that are like whatever, like are they gonna just tell you the lie you?
Speaker 2:know, whatever blah, blah, blah, it's the whole fallacy of the biopic, because I feel like if they had made, if it was, was like if you know, todd Phillips or somebody on the left side was like I'm gonna make a Reagan movie. It would just be. They would be like they're bastardizing my hero, they're making him out to be a villain, and it's like I mean, you know, it's kind of not incorrect.
Speaker 1:But see, this is where I come back to the whole reason for doing this is like pop culture's kind of curse. Now it is it's like you can't just go watch a movie no and that's like what I would tell people. Just go watch reagan if you're mad that it got an 18 well, on the flip side of it, like just go watch it on the flip side.
Speaker 2:Think about the acolyte, like it's a star wars content thing. Its whole press leading up to it was that it was this very liberal, these liberal people were writing it. Some of them had never had even like watched star wars before they were writing their. The head lady like worked for, uh, weinstein or whatever. And so people were like why does she get? Why does she get this job?
Speaker 2:because she didn't really have any experience before that other than just, I guess, hanging out on movie sets yeah but then, like when you watch the show, you're like, oh, this is just like all the other star wars content that's live action. It's like for every like little glimpse of like oh wow, that was actually really cool. It's just a stretched out, kind of boring, not the best written thing on earth, so like you just have to pick and choose what you like about it interesting and now they've canceled it and half the world's like thank god.
Speaker 2:The other half that actually watched it's like well crap, I wanted to see where they were going with it.
Speaker 1:But there's, those are two different halves they are two because I texted you I haven't, I haven't watched.
Speaker 2:You asked me a lot.
Speaker 1:I said I said when it came out, I saw a bunch of like this is dumb, it doesn't respect the lore. There's literally a line in one of the prequels that like completely says none of this can happen or something. And then as soon as it got canceled, it's like all of a sudden Star Wars social media took a reverse and said don't take it.
Speaker 2:It's the schism we've had since Last Jedi Corey. Like you have people that are just reactionary had since last jedi quarry. Like you've had you have people that are just reactionary and the second they see something like they may have started the show, they may have watched halfway through and they just see something they disagree with and go that's not true, that's not canon, that's not real. And then you watch the rest of the show and go oh, they kind of explained that so it's so it's just, it's that schism of reactionary people versus people that actually gave it a chance and going.
Speaker 2:I kind kind of wanted to see more, like if you asked me I'd be like I don't care if you make it again. I kind of would like to see where this might lead to Knights of Ren, or like getting to see Plagueis actually on screen Deep diving some Star Wars here for you.
Speaker 1:That's what I was going to say You're in a whole world of stuff I liked Deadpool v Wolverine.
Speaker 2:It just took the piss out of everything.
Speaker 1:It felt like a movie that just said like screw any opinion about movies. Either you're going to just have fun with this or you're going to overanalyze it Right, yeah. My threads for weeks was just like people trying to find potholes in a movie about multiverse portals and it a comedy.
Speaker 2:it's like making fun of it portals and a bunch.
Speaker 1:It had 1000 deadpools in it. Right, it's like why are you looking for logic in this?
Speaker 2:well, it's the cinema sins of it all, like we've talked about before, like people have just we've, we hyper analyze everything instead of just going. Yeah, I enjoyed that like unless you're just like a super deep star wars nerd or like a big cine what we could send a file or something like like it's not gonna make that big of a difference.
Speaker 2:Like you watch a movie with somebody that isn't as obsessed as we are and they'll go. Oh, I kind of like that, that was fun and there may be something they didn't like, but they can't quite put their finger on it, but they're just gonna straight up, be like it was fun, I enjoyed it, it was good. They're not gonna go. Well, it just broke the lore and I didn't understand the structure. And the third, and I'm like, yeah, no, but not everyone thinks this way like there's a math to it but.
Speaker 2:And that's why, like we, deep dive it, but general audiences don't aren't aware of that, or at least not on the depth of those levels.
Speaker 1:They just want to be entertained yeah, and like I, I guess what I'm trying to say is like I mean like first of all, the whole dead bull wolverine, those type of trying to find plot holes, things. That just bugs me as someone who tries to write which it's like that's dumb.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. First of all, 90% of the thing people call plot holes are not plot holes. It's just like we just don't show you everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Again, the biggest thing in the world is like, well, how did Batman get back into Gotham? It's like camel he rides it to an airport, pulls out his credit card, or you know, that's the movie that people want to see, cory and it's just like no, it's those type of people that, but it's all.
Speaker 2:It goes also back to the type of people that are like I need to see every beat of everything. Like I need to see them get out of the car, walk into the building, go up the stairs, get into their room and I'm like you don't need that. That's not how movies work.
Speaker 1:Like it's it's fine we don't have to fill those gaps. It is wild and like, and but like, I guess. What I'm trying to say, though, so it's like, is this just maybe possibly just an election year? That's like hyper, you know. You got all this hyper like pissed off about the acolyte because it's got asians and black people's jedis yeah, that's not, you know, they're just mad, you know, and it's because trump's got them good and mad about dei that became a thing you know it's like, oh my gosh, all these jedis were just hired because they're black.
Speaker 1:They don't even have the force nick, you know. But like or is this just where we're going towards movies? Everything's got to it's now. We have to analyze it. I think it is.
Speaker 2:I think we've done it to ourselves like everything's been politicized, everything's become and. And the dumb thing is that you label it as politicized, but it's like, most of the time it's it's not a it's not political for me is hey, we're passing bills, we're electing presidents and senators and stuff. It's not. Should black people have the right to vote? Yeah, like, that's a moral conundrum for me. Like, should gay people be allowed to marry? That's a moral positioning, like you know. Like, but it's but. And you have, you know, conservatives or just christians that might sit there and go. No, it's against our beliefs. And then you have people like, on the other side of going. I don't have those beliefs so I don't care.
Speaker 1:You can't dictate a government, right?
Speaker 2:that's the thing it's like, yeah it's like we it's, if the country is about being equal rights and everything. As long as these people are doing something that's just depravative or something like why do you care? Yeah, I don't want to get into politics, For example.
Speaker 1:it's just like this Brad Pitt, George Clooney, they have a movie coming out. You know, and people are already saying like oh, people hate it already.
Speaker 2:And it's because, george. Clooney is super left and they don't like that, and then Brad Pitt has not been punished for his like history he's got away with. Apparently something happened with him and angelina and the kids on a plane or something and now there's and that's why they don't go see him it's like, okay, he's a bad dad got it like which just goes into the whole argument of.
Speaker 1:Like me personally, I can separate art from artists right. Like I don't know brad pitt, he might be a sucky dude to hang out with for all I know yeah like I he. All I know about him is that he's pretty and so like and he's pretty good at his job yeah but like for the most part I'm just kind of like okay, well, if he did get drunk and like hit a kid or hit like that's not cool, like that sucks.
Speaker 1:You're a bad dude, yeah you should probably have to answer for that, but I'm probably still gonna watch fight club everyone's while right that is a good movie.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm gonna like still enjoy his work there it's, it's a week, I think it's to each person.
Speaker 2:There's like a scale you sit there and go like okay, he got drunk and his wife, yeah, that's kind of shitty of you, but I still love this movie and I could separate it. You get some people like kevin spacey that allegedly, you know, did things with kids and stuff. So you sit there and go, uh, yeah, I don't ever want to watch a kevin spacey movie again, just because it gives me the ick or something or this makes me uncomfortable. And then other people like, well, he was, he was uh relieved of all those accusations and stuff. And I'm like, yeah, but I've heard other stories from direct. Like me personally, it's like I have heard firsthand stories from people that have interacted with him, just happening to be in that world, and so you're like, okay, either they're lying or you know, something isn't adding up, yeah, but it's still just kind of like he's, he's got, it's tainted now it's like, okay, if it's kind of like you asked me earlier, like would, are you still willing to go to chick-fil-a?
Speaker 2:and I'm like I don't care, it's just chicken. Like, if I had to, if I canceled every bad restaurant for doing a bad things, I wouldn't go eat anywhere yeah you know, well, like, do you think there?
Speaker 1:well, let's call it the michael jackson line okay where you can be so famous and your leg legacy can be just so massive that people just it doesn't matter what you did. Now me personally, like I'm just like michael jackson got held in the court of law. They never got found guilty of anything I'm going with them.
Speaker 1:It's whatever, but it seemed like that documentary. A lot of people poked holes in it. That's whatever, but like at the same time I'm like I don't dig too deep in it because I'm like bad. Still a really good album.
Speaker 2:Danger's better than bad and thriller I'll say it like it's just the better album. Oh, my goodness, that's just gonna get us canceled. Hot take.
Speaker 1:But like, like, um, so like. Do you think there's a line though? Because that's, I think that's like. Sometimes, like in the last few years, you have brad pitt, this stuff's come out. Did he do it? Did he not do it, johnny? Depp did he do it did he not do it but people are kind of like yeah, but it's brad pitt and johnny depp and they're kind of I feel like yeah, I think there are, there's there's throws kevin spacey in the garbage than it is brad pitt and johnny depp. There's like, there's still.
Speaker 2:That's like from a from a hollywood exec mindset. You look at brad pitt and johnny depp and go well, not everyone's turned on them, there's still money to be made. You look at kevin spacey go give it 10 years, maybe, maybe. I mean he got a leave of all this stuff, but people still see him as a serial predator type person. Yeah, you got michael jackson, who has been absolved of all that from a court point position accusation of the worst thing you can do, right.
Speaker 1:And then most people don't even survive the accusation, right.
Speaker 2:But he, but he is so big. There's a small constitute of celebrities, actors, musicians that are in that group. You've got Michael Jackson, probably Elvis, now probably Taylor Swift. We're like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We're like, they're just so they've been put into mythical yeah borderline deity mindset by their fan base and their fan base is so strong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that you can like. It's been like the thing with taylor swift, like with her flight patterns and stuff. Everybody's going well. This is kind of gross that you're just doing this to maintain a relationship and but the swifties will like come for you and they'll be like she's innocent, she's perfect, she's done nothing wrong. I've seen some of that come down a little bit, but I think the majority of people are still just diehards, like beyonce's groups, like the beehive, all these people like you're seeing, like I mean, it's the same thing with like trump to an extent, like he's he's been, you know the all the stuff that he's been uh, what's the term I'm looking for?
Speaker 2:that he's been accused of but but he would the court. They found him guilty of it or whatever, 34 counts and people are still just like nope, I'm still gonna go for it.
Speaker 2:So I think there is a level to it where you're like, whether you're a politician, you're musician, you're basketball, like people will deify you and just be like and just kind of put a blind eye to everything. Because, because it's kind of like you said, I think a lot of people go well, I don't with trump. It's like, well, I'm gonna vote conservative anyway with you. Know if, michael, if, if people had an issue with michael jordan's gambling, they're gonna be like, yeah, but I like basketball and I like the chicago bulls winning all the time. Or it's like michael jack's like, yeah, but I really like his music. So there's a lot of things that get passed because of what they're doing or what what people's opinion of them is, or how it the value and impact it has on their lives okay, no, I just think it's interesting.
Speaker 1:I've always thought about like it seems like maybe there's a line that once we hit we're kind of like a little more forgiving or we try not to look so hard.
Speaker 2:I think it's harder like everyone below that is definitely stuck in cancel culture, like I mean. Johnny depp has not made an american movie in years now he's probably not going to.
Speaker 1:He's probably not going to.
Speaker 2:He's like being like he kind of he's like being really hard about it. Yeah and it's, and when you look at like everything that happens, like he was not innocent in the situation, like it's just a messy situation on both ends, but like at the same time, you're like how many relationships like it's put on a pedestal because they're movie stars, but like how many people do you know down the street that are probably doing the exact same thing? Which? And we aren't going cancel them, get rid of them which is interesting.
Speaker 1:Every once in a while, you'll come across a post that says hey, here's your reminder that mark walberg committed hate crimes when he was 14 when he was 14, which? Is interesting because, part of me, this is where I want to engage with someone, because I'm like, well, that's a stupid comment, because, like mark walberg, as an adult proved to just be a pretty just, he's an actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like without scandal. I mean, I'm sure he said some stupid stuff, like everyone has, but like he has for the most part not done anything racist or you know since then been married to his wife, his whole, like as far as. A-list actors go. He seems like a pretty genuine.
Speaker 2:It's kind of dull, almost like boring for a dude from Boston Right, he seems like a pretty genuine, it's kind of dull, almost okay, he's kind of boring for a dude from boston right criminal record. Yeah, you know, and that's the thing is like think about when you're 14, like how many dumb things you said. Like we go back 20 years back to a time when the words gay and retard were just in the vernacular yeah, people just said something was lame, right, you know, it's the michael scott joke.
Speaker 1:I don't mean gay like it's a gamut.
Speaker 2:Gay isn't lame, you know like now, and that's the same stuff that like, if you posted it on myspace or facebook or social media, someone, if we got famous, they dig at him and go oh, he said this and it's like okay, I might have said that, but I've learned that it's not okay to say that and I now have like an understanding of it well, it's interesting because now we're talking about a different line, where it's like the line of like untouchable to like almost, where, like once you become famous, the crosshair comes on yeah
Speaker 1:where it's like. My thing is is like you could tell a story about just your neighbor. Right, who, man he? You know, your neighbor, they, uh, he or she had just a rough upbringing, you know, they got hooked on drugs, blah, blah, end up in jail and they've come out and they've gotten their life together yeah, just technically what mark walberg did, right, but because he's famous, it's's no, fuck Mark Wahlberg and he shouldn't have a career. But if you're not famous, it's like that's an inspiring story.
Speaker 2:So it's almost like it's just weird Again everything's just turned up to 11 when it comes to celebrities.
Speaker 1:My question though, nick, as we wrap this up is, should I analyze more things, or am I okay, not analyzing so much?
Speaker 2:I think it's healthier mentally.
Speaker 2:I just want to just watch movies and music and be like, yeah, I'm sure someone was problematic was attached to this I think, as two people that are part of a team that watch movies, analyze them deep dive, I think that's the pitfall with any type of YouTube influencer thing is that you get too far into the weeds. It's like my professor in college said once we started doing video stuff he's like once the curtains pull back, it's hard to just enjoy it for what it is. Yeah, and that's something that even I've just tried to get back to is like I don't want to walk into every movie and just start hyper analyzing it, Like I'm going to just turn my brain off and enjoy Godzilla punching God's King Kong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again again. Go see Wolverine right like just enjoy. It has no message other than, honestly, comic fans are dumb right.
Speaker 2:It just kind of makes fun of it's like but it's giving you like which.
Speaker 1:It's like okay here's a lot of fans you wanted, you wanted, you wanted.
Speaker 2:Like all these versions of Wolverine from the comics, all these team ups, these pop-ups, the Fox Studios superheroes make appearances like congrats and if you're mad at us for spoiling any level of that like it's been out for six plus weeks if you're listening to this, you have the internet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, already, it's already been spoiled.
Speaker 2:There's clips every day.
Speaker 1:I still see gambit and all that stuff yeah, I mean ryan reynolds started putting it out two days later he's like all right. So in case you didn't see, this here it is, here's the cavalrine or whatever it is, and so, like I don't know, I just think it's wildly interesting but sure and mostly just philosophical. But I don't know, I'm probably just gonna keep trucking along and like I'll probably just be able to separate things from things.
Speaker 2:I feel like I've been able to. Okay, like I think I think there's it's kind of like when we talked about star wars in the past, like I just have to observe it as a saturday morning cartoon yeah and I think that that's.
Speaker 2:You have to know what you're walking. Am I walking into a franchise sequel of a movie? Then I shouldn't be looking for shakespeare. I shouldn't be looking like if it makes, if it, if it becomes a dark knight, then that's just icing on the cake, you know like, but if it, but just going knowing this is a superhero movie, this is a mad max movie, this is like if it becomes something better than it was, that's great, but if but, it's still just monkeys punching giant lizards yeah, no, no, I agree.
Speaker 1:Which, by the way, um the other godzilla movie minus one one. Yeah, yeah, that came out this year, last year end of last year, so it's really. Yeah, that's what I mean, like I cried like you to say.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to say like these genre movies aren't capable of becoming rising above their, their standard. Yeah, we've seen that in multiple genres and stuff lord the rings, the dark knight, godzilla, minus one like there's a, there's a place in time for it, but there's a place to have for both yeah you can still watch minus one and still watch the new kingdom and be fine, you can watch your old planet of the apes, even the sequels that came out all through the 70s, and then still go back and watch these four new ones.
Speaker 2:And there's a difference there. But it's just it's, it's your. It's like when Batman first came out, when 89 came out, everyone loved it. And then the Schumacher movies, everyone was like you've ruined Batman because it was our only Batman, yeah, but now there's like four or five of them. So now it's like just pick and choose your poison. Like you want serious batman, go for baylor pattinson. If you want a little bit more comic book, you go for keaton or schumacher.
Speaker 1:If you really want to dive off the deep end like, um, no, no, I I agree with all that. I think it's just, it is. It is wild. I saw, you know, just wrapping up, I saw a post the other day and it was literally asking hey, what did you all do with your harry potter books? Did you all get them away or burn them, which I was kind of like burn.
Speaker 2:Burn them, because JK Rowling is JK.
Speaker 1:Rowling, and she's not a huge trans person. She's problematic. She's problematic, you know, but at the same time it's just kind of like that's a famous person with an opinion, but you're also talking that's different than your opinion.
Speaker 2:You're also talking about someone who wrote these books. They were worldwide success. The movies were worldwide success and to it's to me it's more a person trying to stay relevant and it very well might be because she hasn't been able to create the next thing. The next thing, yeah like the next best thing was the stage play that they made of a potential eighth you know, story years later that they'll probably turn into a movie at some point, because that's how ip works now.
Speaker 2:But yeah, with rolling, it's clearly because, like she was saying stuff like I always envisioned, hermione is black and it's like then, why wasn't she black in the movies? Bro like or things like that, and then I I haven't deep dived the whole trans thing, but at that point it just becomes you want attention and I don't want to give it to you.
Speaker 1:I think she's a person that had opinions about trans people in sports yeah which I think is an actually good gray conversation yeah like there there is science you have to like. I mean, I just think it's an actual conversation we're in uncharted territory when she got yeah like it's one of those things where I think it's like not someone being like just horribly hateful yeah, they're just literally like thinking about that.
Speaker 1:Well, imagine being the woman that worked her whole life there and then some dude that just transitioned into a her all of a sudden beat you like that's got to be. Like she was asking those questions which is like that's a hard. That's, those are hard, really scary questions because people are going to come at you and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But then she just kind of kept digging her heels down a bit oh she doubled down and now she is into just like I'm an asshole okay, like territory and I think, like you kind of nailed it, I think it's just like a oh, being an asshole makes you relevant and people you know well, but apparently like that boxer that. Uh, what was the boxer? Turkish.
Speaker 2:The girl, yeah, the female boxer, that everyone called trans, and she's totally a woman. Just a woman, yeah, Like absolutely, just 100%.
Speaker 1:A lady is suing them.
Speaker 2:It's like suing JK Rowling and like Jake Paul and you know and all these dudes, it's the whole like freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I don't think freedom of speech is a weird thing. It doesn't mean you can just say whatever the hell you want all the time right you know, like you, there's consequences for certain things you say if you want to bash libel and defamation.
Speaker 2:You want to bash a certain demographic of people. You can't be mad when that demographic suddenly hates you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're like, hey, that's defamation and like you call, like that's on a worldwide scale you know, like, so, like, for sure, like. But my thing is this I think it's stupid to go to the internet and say to what level should I be mad at something? It's like dude, figure that out yourself. And I think that's where I get frustrated is people kind of let social media feed their opinion a little too much on?
Speaker 2:these things.
Speaker 1:And it's kind of like don't. If you want to keep your Harry Potter books, keep them. If you don't want them, get rid of them. And at this, point.
Speaker 2:It's like you said.
Speaker 1:So she's already got your money, right.
Speaker 2:And it's like I think people, especially for the nostalgia of it all, like we have so many friends that are Potterheads and like they, they're still going to go to the wizarding world, they're still going to buy the books, they're going to get books for their kids, like they're invested in the story. They're not invested in JK Rowling.
Speaker 1:It's not like they're like what's words? Like I can separate the artist from the art and I think people should respect that. Yeah, I think if any of our friends say like well, I'm still gonna do that or I'm still gonna go see if they didn't make an eighth movie, whatever, like cool, that's fine and you can openly say like well, I just disagree with jk rowling's dumb opinions, but I still think harry potter's cool yeah, you know all the actors are like. We don't like jkK Rowling right now.
Speaker 1:They're like yeah, screw her for that. That sucks. But then like if our other half of the friends said like well, I'm not going to put any new money in because that goes to her and I disagree, I will equally respect that I'd be like nah, that makes sense. But it's stupid to be like, hey, the stuff I already own, should I burn it? Should I get?
Speaker 2:rid of people because they like a thing it doesn't mean that. That doesn't straight up mean like unless they're straight, like, no, I agree with her, then you can be like well, I don't agree with you. So yeah, there's a problem there but that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Even we live that on our normal podcast of like hey, nick, I think mel gibson would be really good in this role. Am I allowed to say mel gibson, or are people going to be mad at me?
Speaker 2:you know, I think it's that's the thing it's like. We have to have room for discussion about it so I mean, I'm all for discussion.
Speaker 1:I just don't go to the social medias and say what's my opinion on this yeah just like form, your own, like either you hate what you said, or you don't hate what you said and maybe you're a pro. It's the kind of thing we've talked about.
Speaker 2:It's like some conversations are just not built for group chats or just the internet in general, like they are conversations you have face to face, because context is lost, tone is lost like, that's for sure so it's just it's. It's the type of stuff you're like. I would rather talk about this in person with someone, then argue with some stranger on the internet yeah, and I, for all I know I may be totally wrong about JK Rowling.
Speaker 1:She may have said something way more egregious than it's possible, you know, not defending her, I just think she said something that was okay, and then she doubled down and got into way not okay territory and that's.
Speaker 2:And at that point you go okay, dude, you're just being dumb, you're just being stupid, yeah, but that's just a thing now.
Speaker 1:Well, you got any other opinions?
Speaker 2:not at the moment, okay I did watch uh, evil dead rise from last year. I know you hate the evil dead series.
Speaker 1:I despise the evil dead. I kind of liked it, but I haven't seen the two new ones. I liked this one, I just hit play on random the other night, and but I haven't seen the two new ones.
Speaker 2:I liked this one. I just hit play on random the other night and but I found myself enjoying it a lot I watched, uh, I watched bike riders how was bike riders? Bike riders was great. Okay, I finally came out I don't know it.
Speaker 1:Just it came through theaters really fast. People hate it. It's whatever it's. Just because it's kind of a, I think people expect it to be a biker movie like in the real sense of like a lot of hyper violence and stuff. But really it's just like it's honestly just the story of the fall of the american biker gang and from like this thing that, like some 50 year old dudes, just started yeah or, like some middle-aged dudes, started in the 50s as a way to hang out and then it's kind of slow descent into what would eventually become like the gang problematic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it feels like a template of like goodfellas it is yeah, just with biker guys a little bit, which I'm not 100 mad about yeah, I like dawson butler I also finally watched. Stay tuned, cory did you really? Why don't?
Speaker 1:we talk about anything else you should just brought. Stay tuned up. We hit another solid hour and a half sorry. Sorry it was, but I enjoyed it, it was, it was crazy, it was so much fun.
Speaker 2:Like oh it's, it's. It feels like a movie. I was like this was made in 92, like it. This should have been like a staple of childhood for it was for me, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think you had to have, like hbo I think I typed it off a free weekend of hbo, okay it just felt like, yeah, I felt like a lost movie and I was like this has all like the music swims are cool, like there isn't anything that's like super like, like adult about it or anything like the kids are involved in it. I'm like where did?
Speaker 1:this go don't suck, the kids don't suck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like sean ritter, terry gar, that really problematic dude right, yeah, yeah, the principal from fears, bueller, has been canceled. Yeah, he passed away too, did he what?
Speaker 1:uh, no, he did. What's his name again? I mean beetlejuice.
Speaker 2:Beetlejuice killed him off but I don't think he's dead. What was his name?
Speaker 1:I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Ferris Bueller's Day Off 1986.
Speaker 1:He was actually convicted of something, Right? Jeffrey Jones.
Speaker 2:He is. No, he's still alive. He's still going, he's still kicking 1946, 77 years old. So lost his spouse in 2008. That's all I've got to say. He's 6'4.
Speaker 1:Wow, but yeah, no, that's a great movie, so I'm kind of mad you watched it without me.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I have to just spur the moment, these things.
Speaker 1:I wanted to watch your face when it goes animated. I was like what it turns into an animated movie.
Speaker 2:They're mice it's, dom and Jerry, and that's when they really have a lot of deep conversations about their marriage.
Speaker 1:As mice it's when a lot of the actual fixing of the relationship happens is when they're mice. It's so good.
Speaker 2:Everyone's like. What is this movie? It's called Stay Tuned, John Ritter.
Speaker 1:The devil sells John Ritter a satellite. Yes, and he gets sucked into it and he's a couch potato, right, he's like that typical husband. He's not even listening to his wife. Yeah, he's quoting movies. Yeah, he's literally us like he's just obsessed with movies, you know. But we have balance. But yeah, like it's now normalized that everyone's ingrained in pop culture.
Speaker 2:He's like the catalyst he was. He is just the guy that in in a modern context, you're like this guy isn't that far off from a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we can quote move I'm making my wife watch how I met your Mother through right now and she is not enjoying where it's going, and I get it. You're watching a movie or a show from 20 years ago where it's like, yeah, I guess all these people are sort of hateable, but in their own ways. But I will literally quote something and I haven't seen the show in like 10 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's there. But that's what John Ritter does in the movies. He's quoting movies and his wife's just pissed. She's like ah movies. So she breaks their satellite dish but then the devil shows up and sells him one. But it sucks him in and what they have to survive? And it's like hell programming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like if they get out and they survive 24 hours.
Speaker 1:They get out, yeah, if not the devil gets their soul Right and all the programming's hell based and warped. There's like Wayne's World, but it's hell yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like this is why I can tell this touched Corey's funny bone a bit.
Speaker 1:I love it. It's so good and John Ritter's a national treasure, so I love John Ritter.
Speaker 2:He's definitely underrated. I feel like people forget about him.
Speaker 1:He's amazing. I was really sad when he died. It's fair. But no, okay, alright, I'm glad you watched it. Stay tuned, yeah, I'm glad. Let me ask you this because this might go into next episode Are you watching Rings of Power?
Speaker 2:I started it last night, but I was, it was late and I fell asleep, so I'm probably gonna have to restart it, okay cool.
Speaker 1:We're probably going to talk that next time, because people are furious. They've been furious.
Speaker 2:Okay, I didn't know, since it since the jump off, I just know that apparently, like I mean, you hate rise of skywalker oh, yeah, and I've heard rings of power just pull the rise of skywalker to some degree it might have. I don't know so and I'm just, I'll see so cool, we'll talk that next time and we'll talk.
Speaker 1:Uh, joker. I want your opinions on this joker too, because people seem to already hate it out the gate and I'm like I'm not. It looks amazing to me. Then again, I don know. I think people might label me as problematic for liking Joker movies.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:But no, we'll talk, that We'll talk a few other things. And maybe we'll dive into music next time, because you're.
Speaker 2:There's some big news on the horizon.
Speaker 1:There is, we'll be able to talk about that. Your weird favorite band, Linkin Park, is going to say something.
Speaker 1:An announcement will be made. And it's amazing, nick, you're born what? 88, 88? I was born 85. The amount of cultural shift those three years have huge, is massive. I don't give a shit about anime like fuck, dragon Ball Z, all that stuff. Pokemon I've never even held a Pokemon card. I don't know what any of that is. You missed the boat. You just missed the boat. Nick's generation, just three years later. That is their world, man. They know everything about it and I'm just like what?
Speaker 2:I will try to explain like things I'll be like. It's like Dragon Ball Z.
Speaker 1:Yes, y'all send memes all the time, but I have to like sit there and go.
Speaker 2:So, cory, explain these memes. Y'all saying that have dragon balls. I'm like what is this? I don't get the joke. But then, yeah, new metal. You were big into like that new metal stuff and I had. But I had, I had a level of taste, though I wasn't full into it like there was.
Speaker 1:I had a line cory, like. I just remember the glint biscuit album being huge in middle school, and then people fell away. Oh yeah, because so like, and I think your generation grabbed it it was. It was a very quick rise and fall, so but like I think y'all latched on and I didn't so much, so I'm excited to hear whatever Linkin Park's gonna say.
Speaker 2:Cause I know you'll be excited. I'll be excited or I'll be frustrated.
Speaker 1:I'll try to come up with more music-based topics next week. Okay, sounds good, awesome, all right, yeah, we talk about random stuff. And it's great and mainly it's just going to be a place for me to complain and Nick to keep me grounded.
Speaker 2:Sure, that's my job, that's what I try to do and vice versa. But I mean, make sure to subscribe. We're still on social media and stuff. You can keep in touch with us there. If you want to support the show month, it's, it's the non, it's, that's the only committal part of it. We'll try to send out some freebies and stuff when we can.
Speaker 1:but for one dollar you can support the show, yeah, and get nick's air conditioner fixed, hopefully, yeah, a little hot one today. We hot box this episode that has a different meaning.
Speaker 2:Cory, yeah, oh, really, yeah, it marijuana, oh okay, no, we didn't hot box, the episode. What is it? Sweatbox, sweatbox, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, that's what we did.
Speaker 1:We're both naked covered in sweat it's kind of like a vision quest thing. Honestly, with this we made every night, with this could have all been a hallucination got a wrap up. All right, thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. Say goodnight Nick. Goodnight Nick.