Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
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Quantum Reaction: Girl at the Linkin Park Show (The Music Episode)
What are your thoughts on the new Linkin Park singer?
Join us as Cory and Nick talk the state of music (and music-based movies!) and reminisce about their own musical journeys, from sneaking secular music past strict parents to reflecting on the impact of provocative pop culture moments like Britney Spears' iconic Rolling Stone cover. Nick opens up about his upbringing in a strict household and how it shaped his appreciation for various music genres. We also dive into the sky-high concert ticket prices for artists like Taylor Swift and Hans Zimmer and how millennials are prioritizing live music experiences over traditional milestones.
Our conversation takes a nostalgic turn as we share unforgettable concert experiences with bands like Tool, Metallica, and the All-American Rejects. We debate the pros and cons of standing room versus seated events and laugh about our fashion faux pas at concerts. We also tackle the generational differences in music culture, examining how Xennials navigate their unique path between Gen X's traditionalism and Millennials' quest for flexibility and purpose. From dissecting the unwritten rules of concert attire to exploring the resurgence of early 2000s music among Gen Z, we cover it all with humor and insight.
As we wrap up, we reflect on the evolution of bands like Linkin Park and the challenges of separating art from the artist in today's cancel culture. We analyze modern music trends and concert etiquette, emphasizing how Millennials stay engaged with new music while embracing older bands. Finally, we have a blast imagining the ultimate music festival lineup featuring fictional bands from movies and discussing the intricacies of music biopics. Whether you're a die-hard music fan or just curious about the cultural impact of music across generations, this episode has something for everyone.
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Hosts:
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Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
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Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast. Whatever this is now. Quantum Reaction yeah, whatever this is now, because today we're going to talk about music, music.
Speaker 2:Because I can talk about whatever the hell I want to right now. It's media, it's fun, it entertains, it does things we will still have movie elements in here. Yes, of course, obviously, there's soundtracks, there's things there's music and movies, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Hans zimmer is coming to dallas.
Speaker 2:He is, yes, and tickets are outrageous, I would imagine. So I was upset because it can be like oh, it's high art, it's what it is, it's a bunch of people and it's like, well, what are all these?
Speaker 1:they're gonna put on tuxedos and go watch them play like the lion king, the bane song, while they're showing clips of Dark Knight Rises. So yeah, I'm like man, I want to go, I'm going to keep my own tickets, but it's like 400 bucks for, like, the worst seats. Oh, for the worst, for the worst seats.
Speaker 2:So Swift fans know what that's like OK they're not quite that level. That's fair. That's like a mortgage.
Speaker 1:If you want to see Taylor Swift that's your child's savings.
Speaker 2:You're like well, do you want to go to college or do you want to see Taylor Swift? Don't answer that. I want to see Taylor Swift. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wrong, I've made a mistake.
Speaker 1:So um, alright.
Speaker 2:So, nick, I gotta ask yeah, we're gonna talk about music this episode because a lot's happened in the music world.
Speaker 1:It has Just in general.
Speaker 2:I feel why it's gen z's discovering 2000s, I guess. Is that what it is? Maybe or millennials just still like weird, or there's just not been a whole field where where?
Speaker 1:there was punk rock music. I think there's just a lot of millennials that never afforded a house. They've said, well, I'm never gonna be able to afford a house so I'm just gonna go to concerts and stuff. I mean fair we're not gonna have kids, we're not gonna own a house.
Speaker 2:I might as well just go see bands we like right, let's just knock off some bucket list things until the economy crashes I think that's what it is, but, nick, all right.
Speaker 1:So, and I'm curious, because you grew up in the household you grew up my shelter, uh bringing yes did your parents get like the newsletter that's like, hey, if your kid likes limp biscuit, they'll love cutlass. I have no idea okay, like they didn't get the Christian newsletter that told you well, if they like Eminem, they'll like Lecrae.
Speaker 2:I never came across that.
Speaker 1:I was not aware of it.
Speaker 2:I don't think my parents would even know where to start with that that used to be a thing.
Speaker 1:They tried to give parents a guide like hey, if your kid's into this, I feel like.
Speaker 2:I would have seen that on the internet where somebody's like if you not the same, Sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but to this day Christian art is still bad.
Speaker 2:It's all bad, they just have not Well you're talking about a turn of the century, turn of the millennium, point where the WWJDD movement yeah. We had DC Talk Newsboys. We had boy and girl bands in Christian music I still think it was all bad and they had a Wow CD instead of the now cd. Like that's how, that's how deeply entrenched we were with, like that's how, that's how they were trying to replicate the secular sound I think reliant k is probably the best thing.
Speaker 1:Christianity produced, like christian art produced. That still claims it.
Speaker 2:I just never got them.
Speaker 1:It was hard for me to listen to things like under oath that are really good but they've deconstructed and they're don't literally like we don't really got anymore, like half of us do, half of us don't, and it's like that type of thing.
Speaker 2:So christian music is just what you hear at church for me.
Speaker 1:What was music like in your house? How did you discover music? Did you have to hide it a little under your mattress?
Speaker 2:kind of sort of yeah, a little bit. Uh, dad was a southern rock guy, some skinner, some fog hat and stuff. Listen to that in his car. My mom was james taylor all right listen, she loves bgs, but I didn't find that out till later, um so there was secular music going on, there was a microcosm of secular music. But everything else, like everything from our generation, was just awful, awful of it okay there was.
Speaker 2:There was like a not actually, but like a a form that had to be filled out, basically of like. So I want to buy the creed cd and it's right here. Mom see, he talks about golden gates in heaven.
Speaker 1:It's a christian, it's higher is about going to heaven, right yeah, it's amazing, that's good stuff.
Speaker 2:Look, human clay, like that's from the bible, like that that was. That was the logic me and my siblings had to like convince, or at least I'm just be sure, but they had. We had to trick them into thinking music was was not what it was, which we're talking about the late 90s, early 2000s, where everything was risque and edgy your m&ms, your limb biscuits, christina and britney like wearing whatever you know. Like we talk, people now are like oh, everything's so scanty class.
Speaker 1:Like then it was crazy man, I have you just like unlock this memory of like middle school, like the britney spears rolling stone issue yes was like the most scandalous thing people. Parents lost their minds, playboy hat like was making the rounds at school, but it was just a rolling stone magazine that showed like slight butt cheek right in a bra yes, and this was also the era of the burn cd napster, limewire era so for me everybody was stealing.
Speaker 2:I had to get my sister's friend to burn cds for I make a list to be like I want these albums, these artists, and she'd be like, all right, I fill in the blanks and that's really where I got. You know, I was in the new metal world but I also got like rap from my best friend in high school but she and my sister and my oldest sister introduced me to a lot of punk and alternative music or metal and stuff of that nature. They were the ones that got me into all of that.
Speaker 1:But Blink-182 was one of those as well. All right, so you stole music from Lars Ulrich.
Speaker 2:I did, don't tell anyone.
Speaker 1:He's got your name on a list. He's ready. He flashed it around on TV one time he's like he's admitting it. I got a list of everybody. It's like, oh, calm down, um so what?
Speaker 2:was. Let me ask you this like what's the? I don't know if you have an answer what's like your first cd? That? I purchased or like got for a birthday or holiday that you wanted that you wanted that.
Speaker 2:Nick was like yes, the first cd that I can remember getting it was either creed, human clay and this is guys, listen, I've expanded my horizon since then. This is 12. This is like 10 to 12 year old, nick, but like maybe the three doors down album, or it was probably lincoln park. That was the one I definitely wanted, like the hybrid theory when it came out and I was able to get it, but there, I believe, before that one came like me, convincing them let me listen to creed, let me listen to three doors down, like this is.
Speaker 2:This is we're. We're softly walking into this, okay I don't really have an answer. I don't know.
Speaker 1:My house was full of secular music yeah you were constantly. I had a musical upbringing, despite having no musicians in my family.
Speaker 2:That is interesting.
Speaker 1:It's weird. I found my parents' records in my closet, the record player, which was a massive thing in my house was this 80s monstrosity was in my room Because that was an accident man they didn't plan on having me so, um, they threw me in the room with the record player and, like the ironing, and so I found the records I remember finding like kiss and like for a little kid you're like, this looks cool yeah, sure kiss yeah you know, and I remember they played that a lot.
Speaker 1:I grew up with an older sister so ntv was always on, okay, and so I like grew up around a lot of it. My dad's a live music guy. He only listens to live albums, so if you were in his truck, you're just listening to ACDC live Ozzy, live he just thinks studio albums are dumb.
Speaker 1:So it's just if it's live he's into it. So it's like a lot of live ACDC and Kiss and Aerosmith. Mom, she was wild, she, my mom, was weirdly like an education in music. She would listen to everything okay by an artist.
Speaker 1:For like two months you get everything just down here every bruce springsteen song in the world and then she'd move on, and then you get elton john, then you get michael jackson, then you get whatever. Yeah, and so you're just like picking up so much. If you rode in a car with my mom, she, right now, she still does it to this day right now she's in a weird deaf leopard face so she just cycles through things, or yeah, dude she just wants to listen to one thing like relentlessly for months for me.
Speaker 2:For me it feels like a lot of catch-up, because like you go through high school and like you're limited to what your best friend or your sisters or siblings can get you and it's like a lot of new metal, a lot of rock, a lot of rap, gangster rap and stuff you know. But then post high school for me it was like I worked at hastings. They had a music collection, so for me it was catch. That was my grunge phase was post high school, and then you move on to like the 80s and billy joel, and then I would have to kind of deep dive a lot be like, okay, I'm really interested in this artist, I'm gonna listen to everything so you bring up an interesting point okay to segue in, but I gotta ask you before we segue it's like a mild segue what was your first concert, because I imagine you didn't go to a lot as a kid no, uh, other than like local bands.
Speaker 2:Um, and you, you'll roll your eyes at this. I went with my sister and her boyfriend at the time to go see tool yeah, I'm gonna roll my eyes a little bit, a little bit, but that's interesting that you saw tool I know of all the things like hey, what was your first major band from your?
Speaker 1:limited upbringing you do at a tool concert because the what's the drummer's name, dana carrie. He's never playing in four four time. I don't know how you groove to tool, you just kind of getting out of the groove.
Speaker 2:You're like, oh he's changed the time signature again, we're switching it up. Okay, all right, okay so that was during their 10 000 days tour, when they dropped that albums and that was one that that's the one I connected with them on and then they played all their other hits, obviously, but I have nothing.
Speaker 1:It's cool. I just don't like prog rock I don't like listening to music that's like. Well, I'll never know how to play any of that.
Speaker 2:Or it's seven minutes long Rush is the most I've ever dipped my toes into it, okay, and even then you're like wow, everyone's just really good at their instrument in this band.
Speaker 1:Impressive Cool the bass player's singing, playing keys with his feet and bass all at the same time. It's what Nickelback could have been's lincoln park.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, we're gonna get to lincoln park, yeah yeah, so I did see lincoln park once.
Speaker 1:They were fun um. They made a live album out of that show they did you were. I watched that live in texas yeah, um, that was a fun show. Uh, they opened up for lint biscuit metallic summer sanitarium tour. Summer sanitarium tour um, that was fun. Uh, I would have liked to have seen either the Ramones, they're all dead now. But I would have liked to have seen the original four Ramones, and then I would have also liked to have seen Metallica with Jason Newstead.
Speaker 2:You love some Jason Newstead.
Speaker 1:I miss Jason Newstead. My first Metallica concert was the St Anger tour, where he had just quit. And they got the new guy.
Speaker 2:I was like man it's not the same. I, god, I was like man. It's not the same.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to feel about this low-key. I love the Saint Anger album. I actually that's an unpopular take, but I love it.
Speaker 2:I think it's great when we went to Metallica last year I turned our friend Chance. I turned to him and said maybe they'll play something from Saint Anger and he just kind of laughed and then they played Dirty Window and I was like yes, I, I like, I actually like the Saint Anger album a lot.
Speaker 1:I don't really people really still mad about that snare they really are.
Speaker 2:So it's the rawness of the album, like the aggression to it so, nick, I went to two concerts this week. You did and I still, I still got it because I, I listen.
Speaker 1:I kind of didn't want to go to the second one because I'm old, like I went friday night to see the all-american rejects okay, nice and then the next day I'm kind of like oh man, I don't know if I can do that again. I stood up for like two hours.
Speaker 2:You know, you are kind of like old.
Speaker 1:And it's also. It's more like it's less physical, more like I just want to stay home.
Speaker 2:You know I have a TV. I could watch an old concert of theirs. My PJs yeah, you went to see Bush.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gen X enough to know who Candlebox is. Yeah, it's very distant back of the brain. They're like what's that one band, blind Melon?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're like one of those bands from that era, like if you grab the album, you'd be like this is pretty good Post-grunge and that's it.
Speaker 1:And then they didn't survive the rest of the 90s as far as I know, but you're glad you went to the Bush concert. Yeah, I ended up having two very different things. My wife doesn't know. She's not from this country so she didn't really know either of them. So she recognized songs from both. Sure she was like, oh, I have heard this song and but she was more like they're studying, just like, okay, I've never been to one of these concerts.
Speaker 2:She's just taking it in.
Speaker 1:I mean, she's like in the action.
Speaker 2:Okay, a little bit. Was that like the pit, or was it standing room? No, they had seats. It wasn't GA, they didn't do.
Speaker 1:GA, so she was happy that there's like a chair and everybody just has to stand still, okay. You know there wasn't going to be any walls of death, and it's never looked fun. Okay, I've had a kid hand me his Ford front teeth after. I got off stage saying like you guys would feel great and I'm like dude, you need to go to. I'm like it's one of those moments where you're like am I supposed to be hardcore right now? And high five this kid, Because I immediately went into dad uncool mode.
Speaker 2:I was like dude you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1:You need to go, and then you can maybe get them back in Like it was yeah, I see some veneers in your future. Yeah, I was like dude, you need to go. And so here's the thing, nick, okay, okay. So All American Rejects. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:That was a millennial concert, yeah for sure, and it was a bunch of millennials Like our friend Cruz was there.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, and we're having a good time and they put on a really good show. Nice, like Tyson Ritter got in my face. He like literally came out into the crowd and stood like practically on me. I got some cool pictures and they put on a good show.
Speaker 2:Was it during an instant night or move along?
Speaker 1:Honestly, it might have been move along Okay, nice, and so it was one of their bigger songs. But you loved the Bush's glycerine just gavin rosendale, which is with this jaguar guitar, and it's just him nice, and it's great.
Speaker 1:He also did swallow by himself, which was kind of cool, yeah, you know, and so like I kind of liked their super underrated in my opinion, like but even like all american rejects I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old they did a couple of songs where it's mainly just a singer and a ukulele and I'm like I kind of dig this.
Speaker 2:I kind of like dig the moment to be like we're gonna take a break. We're gonna go back here get some water, couple rooskies. You go out there and entertain the baby rooskies, I think it's just like me.
Speaker 1:Some Gatorade. Yeah, I need some electrolytes. It's been just been an hour and a half and then, but like my thing is so, bush was a different thing, that's a Gen X concert. Yes, I noticed a lot of things about Gen X. Okay, I think they kind of suck and I'm like kind of thinking like this is my sister's people group my sister's gen x. She's seven years older than me because you and I we're on the, we're like ex-xenials we're like on the cusp on some charts, we're the end of gen x and on others.
Speaker 2:We're the beginning of millennia and I would argue that you're more the the ex-xenial or how do you say it, and I'm 85. Yeah, and I'm 88, so I'm very much millennial. But like.
Speaker 1:Essentially it's like my, my life is like I'm considered the line. Like our childhood was like every generation before us. We went outside and played. You didn't you? Just whatever was on TV was on TV and you didn't. There's only one in the house, maybe.
Speaker 2:And like your dad controlled the remote. Or when you get home it's like yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1:And so it's kind of like we had that life. But then high school, college, we're like oh, there's technology now Right, and now everyone has a TV.
Speaker 2:We had to learn the internet first. Yes, that's what we did. We've been a constant, we've been in a constant stage of adaptation which is what you're you're bringing up.
Speaker 1:a second ago that like for us it was catch up yeah, and I was. We honestly became historians we're like yeah all right, so we have again. We had napster and we're like well shit, what songs did journey have?
Speaker 2:you're like please don't be a porno.
Speaker 1:Please don't be a porno, you're just kind of like yeah, like I'm just gonna like start like absorbing it. All right, we're the first generation that said let give me the entire absorb catalog everything you know, I could literally have conversations with my parents in high school about aerosmith and like kind of maybe know more than them even though they went to concerts in the 70s they have the first-hand experience.
Speaker 1:But you have, like the lore, yeah, and it's like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, though that, oh, yeah, that album yeah, joe Perry actually didn't play on that album and they're like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:I read it on a GeoCities Aerosmith fan page we copieded it um, but like so I think that's interesting, whereas gen x one thing I noticed at the bush concert was like you're all wearing khakis and nice shirts, oh it's. And I've noticed this about other like gen x shows I've been to and just for whatever reason I'm like maybe because my wife's there, kind of taking notes I'm also just kind of observing little people watching. Now this is all people in their mid to late 40s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah who bush was a thing when they were in high school and this is their thing, and it's like either they're dressed like they just came from work, like they're like it's the boomer part of them, yeah or if the ones that wanted to be younger, they just bought a shirt from the merch and put it on fresh over their polo. No and it's like I stood out like a sore thumb, like listen, I'm not at work I'm at a concert I'm dressed like the bohemian pirate.
Speaker 1:I am in my day to day life like I'm not gonna dress up. For what are y'all doing? Why are y'all wearing nice clothes?
Speaker 2:this is not how this works.
Speaker 1:This is a concert yeah, and it like it just got me thinking gen x is kind of weird. I feel bad for them because I like we kind of talked about this when we went.
Speaker 1:We went and saw the crow remake yeah, yeah you know, because we wanted to see if it was as bad as people are saying they are. But I mentioned that I think it's just gen x has so little to call their own. Yeah, and in a lot of ways, as millennials, we're used to our things getting hijacked and remade and rebooted and we're just kind of like all right, this happened again.
Speaker 2:You say that, but they were the generation of the 80s, they had all the star wars, and gen x rejected the 80s, though I think my sister doesn't ever talk about the 80s.
Speaker 1:It's Gen X said we're the early 90s, that's what we're claiming, okay, and because Kurt Cobain blew his brains out, they just immediately lost the rest. They were like what happened? They didn't want the 80s, okay, and then by 95, we just took over, we're just like all right.
Speaker 2:We've got it. There's NSYNC and Boy and Kid Rock.
Speaker 1:Limp Bizkit, whatever, Nelly.
Speaker 2:Eminem, 50 Cent, Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg they transitioned us into it.
Speaker 1:I feel bad because I feel like they rejected the 80s and because we were the early historians of the internet we took it for ourselves.
Speaker 2:We're like oh, you want Breakfast Club, I'll take it. Ghostbusters, star Wars Breakfast Club. Ferris Bueller, sign me up.
Speaker 1:Millennials took yeah, we millennials took it yeah, like and we we claim the 80s and the 90s.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fair we just don't really claim the grunge thing Right. We're just kind of like, oh yeah, that happened, but that was more like our older siblings, right, yeah, they get that. So I think Bush is in that. So I was like well, I like Bush. But like these are the people that were defined by nirvana and then, movies like reality bites and singles and like empire records yeah, and like they're the, they're the og hipsters man, they are gen x created hipsterdom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like you people are the kurt combain generation and you're wearing tommy hillvigor polos. Do you think it's in sandals, do?
Speaker 2:you think it's a gen x thing? Or is it drinking their miller lights? Do you think it's them just aging Like is that? Is that just what happens is one day you just decide to hang up the pirate outfit and you put on polos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's. I think that's where it's interesting for me to be like an exennial. It's like it's that line thing where it's like Gen X they're, they're, they're right after the boomer thing and I think they adopted a lot thing. Whereas we're millennials, we're like into our 30s still going.
Speaker 2:What do I?
Speaker 1:want to be, when I grow up, like they got jobs yeah, they bought into the thing. We have jobs, but we're like we're like the people go like why do I have to come to this office? Can?
Speaker 2:I just I could work from home. I can do this just as well in my pajamas or my jeans sir, I was on the internet.
Speaker 1:First, let me tell you what it can do. You can't even make a pdf, so like we could do this from. We're that generation, whereas gen x, they just got in line and said, all right, I'm supposed to go to college, I'm supposed to get a family they were the ones that when they said, like go to college, do things, they actually followed through that and it worked. What else were they supposed to do it? Worked you know I'm not bashing by the time we walked through.
Speaker 1:We're. We're waiting for the torch, the baton and, like the boomers, are still just running the lap with it.
Speaker 2:It's not, and we're like they didn't hand it.
Speaker 1:We're not getting it, cory yeah, so that's why we're still dressing the way we do and not like.
Speaker 2:But tomorrow you and I are going to a concert tomorrow. Yes, we will not be wearing polos and khakis, absolutely it'll be 90 degrees outside.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's just ridiculous. That's just the dumb idea. Even if it was inside, I would not be wearing khakis and a polo, yeah, but I mean, I'm not going to go to Creed looking like an idiot, of course not, it's Creed.
Speaker 2:We're going to get our meta 12-year-old selves on and just rock out for two hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so like. But yeah, that's the thing, but it does bring up one of the most debated things. I don't want your information, Because again, gen X was like either they're dressed like they were going to a yacht club or they bought a shirt at the merch and said babe, let's just live. Tonight, man, I'm wearing this t-shirt.
Speaker 2:Why don't I take off my polo? It's really form-fitting and it hides my gut a little bit. But, I'm not going to hold the polo and it's got to yeah.
Speaker 1:Nick, can you wear a shirt for the band you're seeing? Absolutely not See. And that's the thing that Gen X didn't get.
Speaker 2:How did they?
Speaker 1:not get it. It's just bush shirts everywhere. I was like what is going on?
Speaker 2:Maybe buy a bush shirt if it's not $80.
Speaker 1:Don't wear it that night, man.
Speaker 2:Wear your Nir down garden shirt, man, you wear an adjacent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's just I, even me, the the sheltered individual, like no, it's like no, you don't wear the creed shirt to the creed, the tool shirt to the tool concert I did take my wife to see bling quay too, a few months ago and we were front row and so I should say she has been in it before, sorry, um, I made her go get early and we got in the front, um, and so she asked me that night, though, like like before we left, she was like, do you have a Blink-182 shirt? I was like Jube Even if I had one, which I actually don't own any Blink-182 shirts for some reason but I was like I wouldn't let you wear it and I was like I gave her like a Ramones t-shirt.
Speaker 2:I was like you wear this.
Speaker 1:It's such a foreign like this, no, like, and it's fun because my wife's like she's bringing logic into it. She's like but we're going to see them, sure, why wouldn't she support them? I was like jibba, you look stupid. I'm gonna make fun of everyone wearing a blink 182 shirt. That's how you know they're dumb. That's how you know they're only going to know. I miss you and like all the small things.
Speaker 2:Name me three Blink-182 songs those are the people that you say.
Speaker 1:Name three songs to.
Speaker 2:I can name you more than those three songs.
Speaker 1:But it's fun because she is like well, that's just stupid. That's rock and roll and I said, the only genre I know in which fans are okay with that is metal. I think you're allowed to wear Metallica shirts to Metallica concerts.
Speaker 2:I mean, people were generally wearing Metallica shirts and I think it's okay yeah.
Speaker 1:Because back then Metallica wore their own shirts on stage, Okay, which I think is kind of like a hey, go buy. This Kind of sets the tone. Yeah, it's more of a like.
Speaker 2:Look how cool this shirt is. And Kiss doesn't wear t-shirts. Kiss condoms, it rolls off the tongue. It is interesting.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of those things where I was kind of like Alright, gen X is interesting At concerts and they're an interesting group of individuals.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine boomers in a concert? I mean, I've been to a lot of those. I've been to Aerosmith and Kiss. They're the same way.
Speaker 1:They dress nice, they dress for like they're going out on a date, but like it's expected to them core.
Speaker 2:I'm really worried. We're gonna be wearing polos at concerts. I don't think my dad promised me you'll never wear a polo to me. My dad doesn't wear polos. I need you to.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I don't even I own only like two polos and I wear them to work.
Speaker 2:I I don't like polos no, I can't, I don't, I can't commit to them my arms look like they're like five feet long on them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't look, boomers, they do that, but that's expected. Whereas Gen X it was like a mixture of like.
Speaker 2:Again, they grew up they got the jobs, they bought the khakis, you know, and then the other half they sold out Corey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the other half buys the merch, so they're like I didn't sell out. I'm still young, damn it, gavin Rosdale I bought the shirt. But yeah, no, it was a good time. I, but yeah, no, it was a good time. I'll say this, though I think I might be hypocritical, because I'm absolutely judging Gen X, but I saw a post the other day from, I think, about a Gen X person about Gen Z. Okay, festivals, because festivals are now a thing. Right, they're big again. They used to be touring things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know like.
Speaker 1:OzFest and Warped Tour used to tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ozzfest and Warped Tour used to tour. And now there's just these weekend festivals, that bands just go to because it's a lot of money and they just have to go to a thing and Bonnaroo, yeah, and someone posted a picture of some millennials like sitting down kind of in the back on the grass on their phones and they're like Gen Z doesn't know how to do a festival.
Speaker 1:And I immediately went to the defense of Gen Z, like I went to Warped Tour and smart, they're not sitting in a crowd of sweaty, nasty people.
Speaker 1:They're gonna pay attention when the band they want to see yeah is on stage preserving themselves and their energy yeah, because I went to warp tour and you would sit in a seat of nasty bodily fluids yeah through tin bands you didn't care about just because the one band was gonna be on in a few hours, but you wanted to be in there, you know, and work your way up front you know, I mean that makes sense.
Speaker 2:it's like, unless I'm just like I really want to see that band, yeah, I'll just hang out and listen. I think Gen Z's just smarter than I was. They are in ways.
Speaker 1:I got nothing out of getting up front other than kicked in the back of the head a ton by people crowd surfing over you.
Speaker 1:I was like I should have just sat in the back I didn't really have phones back then that you could play on, but I could have a little fan and then just enjoyed the show from the back and then like it sounds good back here, for sure, you know. So I think they got it figured out. But I mean hypocritical. I think gen x sucks and gen z's smart. That's all it is. And we're in the middle. We're learning from both ends.
Speaker 2:I do think about millennials, though this is the thing is that because we are like you said, we're stewards of the internet and almost historians we have like boomers and gen x like it almost there's a cutoff point where they just stop caring about music, like new music and like like this summer, all I listened to was brat summer, it was sabrina carpenter, it was chapel rowan, it was charlie, it was billy eilish. Like I was listening to those albums, nick, you were ostracizing our taylor swift fans.
Speaker 1:You just listed all four of her biggest enemies.
Speaker 2:Listen that she's kept under her thumb. Ali keeps them. Ali is the Allie. Is the Swifty representative of the podcast.
Speaker 1:And I guarantee you she bought every version of that album that kept those four you mentioned down.
Speaker 2:But when Sabrina showed up because their besties had been on tour, she was like alright, I'm done, it's good, we're good.
Speaker 1:That's funny to me, you know. Speaking of that, I saw an article a few months ago where Taylor Swift, taylor swift, was in europe yeah right, she's doing her europe shows which I guess she just ended um, and paramore, yeah, was the opening band yeah, and I saw an article that literally said who is paramore opening, like who is this band opening? It was like an article trying to tell fans this is who paramore is and I was like oh my god, I'm old what well it's.
Speaker 2:Also, the weird thing is like gen z has like latched on to certain bands like deftones and corn they're really into and you're like that's a 20 year old band now. But that's this. It's the cycle thing we've talked. Trends come back around in like 20 year gap.
Speaker 1:But kind of what you mentioned there, like I feel like Millennials we're, like maybe the first generation were in mass. Yeah, don't give up on any music. Yeah like, we're like still down to find it.
Speaker 2:There there's obvious trends that we don't like. I hate pop country. Mumble rap's not my thing, but we're still engaging with it, giving it a try and listening. That's interesting because you're right.
Speaker 1:I would say that I cut country out of 90s. I'm like nope, that was it. That was the peak Right.
Speaker 2:No one's going to do.
Speaker 1:Garth.
Speaker 2:Brooks and George Strait. It's more back to honestly like the Johnny Cash outlaws. It's leaning more that way, like acoustics, bulky sound. These guys are too pretty to be them. It's true, johnny Nelson and Johnny Cash were ugly, right? No, no, yeah, you got, they were ugly men. You can't have ugly people be stars, is that Brian?
Speaker 1:Wallen, whatever his face is.
Speaker 2:Morgan Wallen yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1:And their pants are too tight.
Speaker 2:Type hands that's no, he had to fight. Yeah, yeah, you'd have been ready to throw down so um, but like yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:I would say for country like I did. I did like I'm not gonna find new country, mainly because I don't love the genre and I feel like the 90s were just it.
Speaker 1:Um, but that you're right, I did do it on some level sure, and then we did more like I don't really like this genre or this, this, the way this is going, like or like yeah, it's kind of like we hit like all right, this genre I don't love enough to care to keep going, but yeah, but we're aware of it, I'm still into like you know, like emo emo's gone midwest and kind of all that stuff and I'll still check out those bands and I australia is making out like putting out incredible punk rock yeah, I don't know why australia is just keeping it held down right now good, but gosh like the chats and like a mill and the sniffers.
Speaker 2:Those are great bands okay, all right they could use better band names, but they're not.
Speaker 1:No, that's great, that's a great punk rock thing but like you know, so I'm like, yeah, like that's an interesting point, that like I do think we still try to like find new stuff. My last question about concerts. I do think we should normalize concerts being like taking a photo okay. Short people up front, tall people in the back okay. If you're that six foot two guy in the third row, no one likes you. Don't point me, we hate you. Like you're, I mean like nick, you're like a normal tall.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about like I've literally seen dudes that are just like six foot eight and they're in the third row and it's like get to the back man I went with jesse to see a scary kids scaring kids down in dallas and like a small concert venue, trees, and like I was, there was the mosh pit, obviously because they were playing through like one of their popular albums all the way through and like I, just jesse just wanted to go and needed somebody to go with him. I was like I'm down, but like they were all singing and then, like halfway through the concert, I turn around, there's two short girls behind me and I'm like oh no, I'm so sorry. Did you, can you see? And they're like no, no, we're good, we're good. I'm like are you sure?
Speaker 1:like yeah, there's, it's just, it's a rule of etiquette, really, of like just making sure people are the tall person, at least turn around and be like hey, man do you see, like I can, because I was totally.
Speaker 2:It's like you're, I will look over you. It'll be.
Speaker 1:It's a difference of three feet for me, like in terms of distance from the stage, like it's not going to be a big deal the other thing I'll say, though, about gen x and boomers, that I've noticed at this Bush concert and I've noticed at a lot of concerts, but I think I finally just I've seen enough of a sample size to say that this is kind of true Concerts make those two generations horny. I have never gone to like a Gen X or boomer concert where I haven't seen an older couple just sucking face you are a hundred percent right, Just mauling each other.
Speaker 2:Me and Josh Wilkins went to go to Pearl Jam last year too and it was just like a love fest, Like people are just arms draped over each other, holding like leaned. You know it was more, it was more contained. Okay, but for every one of those you'd have like somebody I just just I would say they were older Gen X in front of us at Bush, like kind of catty corner.
Speaker 1:Luckily it wasn't right in front of us, that's good. They're like. I don't know if they just haven't had a night out or they just been drinking a lot, but I don't think they watched the concert. They were just like dry humping and I remember thinking like I've seen one of these at every like.
Speaker 1:Classic rock concert. It's the last place. They feel free, corey, I guess so, but it's just like I like. My thing is like this was expensive. Like Jube, I love you, but we'll make out at home for free, well this is all foreplay here.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, like, but we paid good money and I'm gonna watch this, you know. So it's like when you go to the movies, come on again, I'm millennial.
Speaker 1:We didn't get real jobs so we're like, okay, like we paid good money to be here. But, gen x guys, they're like, well, I make a lot of money and we own our home and our carless I'm a little dead inside, so this is the only moment I really feel alive.
Speaker 2:I just want to make out in public um, all right, nick, we gotta. We gotta talk about the big thing okay, I'm ready, my body's ready, because I have okay, so lincoln park right this is your.
Speaker 1:This is your all-time favorite band this is it. This is it, this is like you would say this is your favorite band. It is, yeah, all right so what was it like?
Speaker 2:and that was not an easy thing to come around to either, because back in my day you were made fun of for it at least I was like it and it wasn't like a direct in your face thing. But you become aware when people are kind of snickering behind you or like or like. You know when memes became a thing, that's when I became more aware that people like kind of look down on it.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think, cause Lincoln parks an interesting new metal thing because, like there's Limp Bizkit and corn, yeah Right, I mean, I actually really admire Limp Bizkit, yeah, especially where they are now. Sure, they're literally on a tour saying we get the joke. Yeah, we understand that we were a product of a very microcosmic scene.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And we are now this thing. They're addressing the novelty. And they're on tour with Corey Feldman, and the joke is that Corey Feldman's the only guy on this tour that isn't aware that he's being laughed at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or he's a genius, or just that we're here for a good time.
Speaker 1:Or Corey Feldman's a genius and he's playing this just role perfectly Right. I still don't know to this day if he is aware that he's a joke. Yeah, and just leaned into it, or if he's really unaware.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no-transcript of came in and wiped that out.
Speaker 1:Killers and, like you know, all of them I feel like like in part to me, transcended it though they're the only band that adapted yeah, and that's the thing, and that's, and that's what I'm figuring out why people make fun of you.
Speaker 2:It was because new metal was a joke yeah and like and they were the kind of. They were like, kind of the emo people viewed them as the emo thing. You know, numb was such a big hit and it's just in it and it's one of my least favorite of their singles, I think, because it was overplayed so much when people think linkin park, they kind of point to like it's me, and all the small things with linkway too I could care less if if this song ever gets played live, but it is
Speaker 2:going to be but the thing was like and to be, and we've seen the internet just blow up in the last week with all these different opinions and stuff. But the thing that continues to happen with Linkin Park is, after their first two albums, hybrid Theory and Meteora, they changed their sound and evolved each time. Like when Minutes to Midnight came out, even I sat there and went this. I don't know how to feel about this. This is kind of like you too, it's kind of like Muse. I like those bands in certain ways, but like I don't love this for Lincoln park. And after a couple they had like the concept album, after that, a thousand sons. And even then I was like, okay, it's a little more EDM, a little more like you know, djing going on and stuff. There's more rap involved this time. And and you slowly start to learn that, like the band, hybrid theory is not just a title, it's, it's the band's whole concept of like we're constantly not just rap and rock, we're throwing in all this other stuff. Like their music bounces around to punk, it bounces around to Prague, it bounces around to everything you know. And and even when the last album came out, the pop it was very pop and that.
Speaker 2:But each time, what you find with Linkin Park fans is they hate it every time. Honestly, that's the same people they're like I want crawling, I want, in the end, I want the loud new metal music. This isn't what I wanted, and even when you even like, when they would kind of give them what they want, it's like well, it's still not, still not right, and that's kind of the thing too. That's happened with this new iteration of them is the new single sounds like Linkin Park. It's literally like a heavier sound. Yeah, there's suddenly the internet decided we're going to create all this controversy about it. At the same time, you're like it's just the same old hat, it's you. You can differentiate between people that actually like Lincoln park and people that just want the new metal sound.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's very frustrating when people are like I'm not listening to this cause it's not Chester, because those are the same people saying no-transcript in touch with them. You're seeing this like they still are in touch with each other, they're still being friends and they want to continue creating stuff. So, like this just felt natural when they came out, if you don't know, like they dropped a hint on the internet and then it led to a live streaming concert where they said here's our new drummer, because the old drummer, uh, he decided he just didn't want to be part of the band anymore, just because of everything. Yeah, but here's emily, our new lead singer.
Speaker 2:And it kind of and when you listen to the interviews and stuff it just came about naturally, like they just got together going. We're just going to figure out what this is. We don't even want to call lincoln park right now, we're just we just want to get together and make music again. Yeah, and they'd having guest singers and stuff. And as they were going through that process, it just kind of naturally became okay, I think she's.
Speaker 2:I think she's it, I think she's our singer yeah so it wasn't like and they've talked about like people have suggested them like maybe you should do like an american idol competition for like the new singer and stuff and they were like this is so cringy and knowing the if you know somewhat of the band just you know through interviews and stuff you're like that's just not who they are they did that like twice years ago.
Speaker 1:They had a, it was a it was a in excess and they found a singer and I think he actually stuck with them for a while, but it's like in excess, it's like dude, they were really huge overseas more so than here, and then they did a super group with like tommy lee and some other dudes and they like auditioned a singer and that lasted one day yeah um, but like but here's what.
Speaker 2:Here's what I'll say. The quick answer is I love it. I want more of it. I'm excited for the album.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and because what you, what I, what I love about it is that even in this process, like there, there was a couple things where shinoda would like do a cover of one of their old songs, the female singer, or you'd see female singers doing it, because when chester died they had the you know his tribute concert and they brought in gavin ross still from. They brought in M Shadows from Avenged Sevenfold, the lead singer from Sum 41. I didn't know any of this To cover. They did a whole tribute concert in LA. And it really helps you understand just how unique and talented Chester Bennington was. Yeah, because Gavin Ross Dill can do the singing parts but he can't do the screen parts. M Shadows can kind of do the screen parts but he can't do the singing parts. And you suddenly realize how unique of an individual and voice chester really had, because he had this angelic voice with this just earth-shattering scream which is rare, and that's hard yeah it's very hard.
Speaker 2:But but once you, once I was hearing girls covering, I was like that's the direction they need to go. And if you're thinking of I don't think they thought of it from this way, but it's also a great from a business, you know, because if they had just gotten the guy from some 41, like it was rumored, or somebody from an older band, like from their time, it would have felt like a nostalgia act. If they just said we're gonna do a tour, it's like that's cool. I'm glad you guys are getting to play together again. But I'm not. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be as excited as I am, because it's like this is a new chapter, a new continuation. There's new music.
Speaker 1:It's not just we're playing the hits so I think that's what it is um, because like I don't mean to keep interrupting, yeah, you're like I gotta unpack some of this man.
Speaker 2:I know you're geeking out over there, but like when queen got, uh, what's his name?
Speaker 1:adam lambert, adam lambert, it's like he's great yeah, but I don't know if they made new music. I don't think they did. Like, yeah, and so I mean like, and that's a good point. So like again. So like what? Like two weeks ago they started a countdown, right yeah and you were pumped. Sure, sure, like I. You know what they did. You like think that they were gonna do this. Didn't know what they were gonna do at all, you know there's like a new single and whatever.
Speaker 2:I assumed. It was like they might announce a new tour with, like a back, a new replacement singer or something like tribute concert kind of thing or something. But like the fact that they kept all like the new singer secret, the new single, the new album, like they had. But they're also like like I've told you before because you were kind of asking about the streaming stuff like they're constantly putting stuff out, yeah, like they're tech techie kind of guys and so like they've had the same kind of relationship with the internet, that and technology that we've had.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, I mean, like I just saw bush and I just because I saw bush, they talked about a grace hits album that came out, but the radio like it's all remixes, yeah, in different versions of these songs.
Speaker 2:So like I get that bands like that that are kind of metal and whatever, they kind of do that and that's also a good point to point out about lincoln park is because people forget about the remix album they have between their first two albums and that was like edm and rap heavy yeah so like the when, really in retrospect, you kind of see the trail of things, it's like these dudes are all about remixing and experimenting and just saying, yeah, we want to hear what in the end sounds like.
Speaker 2:Is this, or like you know what I've done sounding a little, a little heavier, like you know, kind of industrial kind of sounding thing, like they were always willing to like mess around with stuff?
Speaker 1:was that hip-hop influence? Yes, you know and like it's weird because I feel like rock and rap or metal and rap it comes around sickly, like in this, like cycle um, and we love it and then we trash it like pretty quick, like it's like it's cool for a minute. You know like obviously run. Dmc reinvents aerosmith. Yes, you know, like know like Aerosmith's dead yeah. You know, until Run DMC says we want to do Walk this.
Speaker 1:Way, and then all of a sudden, aerosmith relaunches back into the biggest rock band in the world. You know, beastie Boys is a hip hop group that puts a lot of rock elements in Right Same thing.
Speaker 2:You know, then you get your new metal which is your Limp Bizkits and stuff like that. Like was the most polished of those ideas. I can't disagree with that.
Speaker 1:It seems like they're the ones that kind of embraced it Like you know. It's like.
Speaker 2:Mike.
Speaker 1:Shinoda joined a metal band.
Speaker 2:Well, because it's like this is what I bring Cause. What really happened was Chester joined Lincoln park and I think that's also. I listened to a lot of dead Sarah Emily Armstrong's former band and they her and him kind of have a similar and it's a more traditional rock sound. But I feel like lincoln park just was the perfect like sound and like they were able to like get the peak of their musical vocal abilities out of. I.
Speaker 2:The thought in my head, the phrase in my head that kept coming up when I would listen to chester recently was it's the ghost in the machine. Like I know that's an anime thing, but like, think about lincoln park's music is very industrial and rap influenced and the way they would use chester a lot of times whether it was a background thing or something was kind of gave already this kind of haunting kind of vibe to it and so I think they just know how to like really impact that screaming, singing, better than anybody. Rick rubin, when they did the third album, he pointed out to when they were recording. So I was, like you guys operate like a rap group, you, you, the way you create songs is like a rap group, it's not like a rock band. So that's why, like he had them tear down and start doing it the other way. It's just to reinvent themselves a bit you just said something.
Speaker 1:I know why you got made fun of for like lincoln park in high school because I'm no, they were the nerdy band. Yes, they were the rush and kiss of your high school you know, stuck with them. Yeah, it's just like it was okay to be in it early, yeah, but then you kind of like, because they had all this association with anime stuff, yeah yeah, because I remember it was the anime kids in my high school that loved link.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the dragon ball they were. They were seen as the squeaky clean rap rock lindbiscuit was the edgy ones that cursed and stuff. I remember when link up our first curse for the first time, everybody's like, oh they grew, oh they're edgy now, isn't that cute? And you're like I mean, I guess.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, um, but no, that's honestly, that's a really good point. I just know, like when you said anime is like they had all that anime crap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had like gundam stuff on album covers and a lot of people would make, like your dragon ball z.
Speaker 1:Music video edits well, they had an animated music video. They were like they touched totally animated music video for breaking the habit and even lost.
Speaker 2:They they did a lot of like anime stuff.
Speaker 1:That's why they made fun of you, nick, you know, because it's the nerdiest of the rock bands, of the new metal bands but like and here's my thing, dude, so like I I know you're excited and I'm glad you're excited um, because your new band is like, like you said, I think the main difference is and a lot of people there's okay, we've just learned something, you know, we talk about how the culture is cursed. Yeah, and we learned it more than ever this week with the announcement of lincoln park said like, hey, we got a new singer and all of our fans are gonna be happy.
Speaker 1:And most of their fans said fuck you right, like you know.
Speaker 2:Let me look this up real quick on half-assed research. Yeah, oh she, she supported dinny masterson. She's a scientologist, let's cancel her. And you're like did you do any digging on this?
Speaker 1:did you listen to their new song? That's literally about her. Like leaving right, like did you did.
Speaker 2:you did you ask her hey, and like she had to come out on her social media and be like listen. I went to the court case because I'm defending my friend and then I found out that he's pretty guilty, so I separated myself from him because I don't mess with people like that and had to. She's like I do not support people that are like sexually abusive or anything like that.
Speaker 1:And so I don't like cancel culture. I think it's, I think it's a destructive thing we've invented with the internet, where we and I think it's mostly based out of we don't like people having nice things because we don't have nice things no and so I think most people go at her just like people who are in bands or whatever, and blah, blah, blah or lincoln park's their precious thing yeah and they're like how dare you um, it's they.
Speaker 1:I mean, they were just. They just proved themselves to be a worse fandom than star wars in a lot of ways, which is an impressive is impressive like lincoln park fans don't deserve nice things.
Speaker 2:They just proved like when the album before chester passed away came out, like yeah, it was pop and it was hard to like, kind of like get into, and even I was sitting there, like you know it's it's not my sound, but like I know they love to experiment, so for this it's kind of a 50 50. They just did like this very heavy metal, prog rock album, and this is them going the other way. I was like, well, I'm excited, okay, I'm still here, we'll see what the next album is like.
Speaker 1:But they hated on it so much well, just like again, kind of unpacking, just the like for anyone that's been under a rock, I guess, like so link apart comes out. They announce this countdown happens. They announce a new lead singer yeah chester bennington, the original singer, um committed suicide yeah, what 2000 yeah? 2017 and, uh, they get a new singer. They've just been kind of releasing hidden remixixes, blah, blah blah.
Speaker 2:But they've said we're actually going to restart the band.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a 2.0. We're going to release new music and the fans turn up. I found out.
Speaker 2:There's a term for this.
Speaker 1:Okay, milkshake duck. Have you ever heard the? She got milkshake ducked. No so it's like a meme, or like a New on a computer screen drinking milkshake. And they said, oh, look at Milkshake Duck. And then the next thing it said breaking Milkshake Duck's a racist. And so that caught on. Which some New York cartoonist or New Yorker cartoonist just said this is what happens on the internet we find something and we immediately cancel it. The second we get something new, we're like we like to destroy something beautiful.
Speaker 2:Where's the shit?
Speaker 1:something beautiful. Where's the shit? You know like, where's the, where's the gross part, right and so now that new yorker cartoons kind of become the term for it, like someone getting milkshake ducked, okay which is just as soon as you get something nice, we're gonna go fine well, what did you do?
Speaker 2:12 years let me go look at your history, james gunn, from like a decade ago when you were like clearly like the shock jock kind of dude on the internet which is a lot of pseudo-intellectualism.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of like, let me dig something up and like look everyone, I found something bad about this person.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like chasing, it's chasing like a 15 minutes of fame on the internet which is ridiculous that you're a drop in the ocean.
Speaker 2:And and back to what you're saying like yeah, she has a history of scientology, was born and raised in it. We don't know for sure right now if she is a part of it or not. The lyrics are very pointed towards that and even if mike wrote those lyrics, he often gets to know like when he would write with Chester, he would learn about Chester's history and write songs going like okay, I know you experienced this, so I'm kind of writing this with you in mind. And the other things people pointed out on the internet is like she's gay and Scientology treats that about as much the same way that a lot of other religions treat that and she's out about it.
Speaker 1:My thing is this man, tom Maverick, was like the biggest movie of two years ago. Tom Tom Cruise, the poster child for Scientology. Right, we're cool with them. We go and see his movies. We thought it was fun when he went to the Olympics and took everything and we're like our boy Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2:It's like it's the thing we've talked about of like separating art from the artist. Yes, tom Cruise is crazy. There's a potential time we're like he's good at what he does yeah, I'm still good, good movies. I don't hang out with them right, you know, and like the and emily, it's like okay, she was in like an old another band, she joined this band, the second, she gets a big, even her band's like we're happy for you, go do it.
Speaker 1:And the internet I don't think I would care if she was still a scientologist. I'd be like all right but the other thing as long as she's not passing out literature at concerts or whatever, she's just doing it.
Speaker 2:And there's two points too. Is it's a there's a lot of scientology in the music industry? Yeah, and then b yeah, in entertainment in general. And b even if she had left, she can't. It's you you really think she's gonna come out and be like, yeah, I don't like science, I'm not a part of you know, we've watched documentaries yeah, they're mean they literally do their best to like, antagonize you and make your life a living hell if you try to combat them yeah, she's just trying to exit quietly.
Speaker 1:But you know the whole danny masterson thing, right like I. I texted you and said like I don't know that this girl's getting a fair shake because it's kind of like nick. If you were accused of a crime, yeah, I would probably go to the trial to get the whole story.
Speaker 2:Yes, I would be shocked, yeah, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I'm like, I'm like I like you enough as a friend and as a person to give you the benefit of the doubt. Well, thank you. Like, it's kind of like. Oh, I know this person and I've done life with this person and this is does not seem like them right but there's gonna be a party that's like, well, they are in jail like there's gotta be some evidence.
Speaker 2:There's a court case going and there's a chance.
Speaker 1:Nick's not telling me everything right so you might just go to court to be like I gotta hear the other side of the story man yeah and then, unfortunately, if you're found guilty for doing that, it'd probably be like well, our friendship's kind of over like it's depending, especially depending on like did you murder someone, did you sexually assault someone, rape a person? Nick because that's, that's uncool that's shitty, that's.
Speaker 1:There's a line there like so like, and that's the thing, and I feel like there's a benefit to the doubt, like I don't know that there's any proof that she went to intimidate, which is the thing it's like. Oh, a bunch of went to intimidate yeah and it's like I don't get me wrong, I bet there were scientologists.
Speaker 2:They're intimidating because that's what they do, but that doesn't mean she did it Right.
Speaker 1:You know, there's also people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta that don't go around bashing people.
Speaker 2:She's guilty by association, Corey.
Speaker 1:So it's just like you don't see Tom Cruise going to things and saying like oh you're, he doesn't go antagonize ex Scientologists.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:You know. I mean, he's so high't have to go antagonize people. He has people for that calls his people, have people, that have people and so like, but it is interesting and I think it just does prove that we're in this weird era of like. It just seems like if you're a lincoln park fan, the majority should have been and maybe, for all we know, the majority is like you. We just get the nonsense on the internet.
Speaker 2:What's just the loudness of the internet.
Speaker 1:I call it the westboro baptist effect yeah, like there's this tiny ass church that gives all christians the worst name in the world yeah and because they're the loudest, most obnoxious, horrible version, they get all the press right and then if you're just like this normal christian human being, you're just like constantly going like well, no, that's a horrible thing to say why would you do that?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't want you to go to hell.
Speaker 1:That's honestly horrible what they're doing, and so it is that, like the loudest, squeakiest wheel, gets all the you know? So for sure, that was probably just them, and honestly, probably a lot of them aren't even lincoln park fans, they're just probably just people on the internet it's that thing where you don't want to sit there and say you're not a true lincoln park fan.
Speaker 2:But really, what I would just say is like okay either either you just don't get it or, like you were, just a fan of the new metal songs like and that's the thing.
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't, and I can say this I think your favorite band and my favorite band are the same thing. Blink-182, in a weird way, should be this novelty joke thing. Yeah, they wrote dick joke songs.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:They have a whole song called Family Reunion. That's just curse words.
Speaker 2:Their Christmas song is not what can be played at Christmas parties.
Speaker 1:They're kind of this product of that time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But in 2003, they released this self-titled album. That was weirdly different and you saw a massive exodus of their fans. And then there was a lot of us that went this is different, but I'm kind of into it and that's because, well, I'm growing up too and I also maybe don't want to listen to songs just about being 30. Or about 30-year-olds, about being in high school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I 30 and like or about 30 year olds about being in high school yeah, because I'm not in high school anymore, right, and so it's like I like bands that do evolve, and I think that's what makes lincoln park kind of cool, is that they also. It's this if you're listening, you probably have a normal job, and isn't it fun when you get something new to do at your job, right, like a new project or something instead of the same one, over and over again if you're a creative, even if you're making millions of dollars, you get to a point where you know, yes, we're gonna go on tour this summer.
Speaker 1:We have to play numb, we have to play faint, we have to play one step closer we have to play, but also I want to make new music yeah and I don't want to rewrite faint yeah you know I don't want to rewrite the same thing I want to also.
Speaker 1:Technology goes and you're like I want to do new crap right, and you know that you're fighting this like honestly, legacy you built that people worship at and you're like, yeah, but there's this. You know, people, it sucks that there's a culture of like bathroom songs yeah like oh, the band's gonna play one off their new album.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go get a beer you know, and that sucks right, like I was. I was on a reddit thread and they were talking about like what's your least favorite leakin park song, and I kind of went through each album going there are, there are ones that are my I. I enjoy most of this, actually, like strangely enough so, and I think that comes from them keeping things fresh, cause it could be like, ah, this is just the the new crawling, this is just the new, you know, one step closer.
Speaker 1:So my gateway band into music at all was kiss. Like I said, I found my kisses, my parents kiss records and they put it on and you're like oh yeah, I've heard this song like every sporting event I've ever been sporting event, movies and stuff had it and so like, um and but like they have probably one of the worst fan bases ever like they're a lot like what you're just describing, link apart and stuff and and like I've I've like listened to podcasts on and it's weird I outgrew, kiss yeah, but I'm still fascinated by the culture of kiss because they are this band that's so massive like and honestly massive outside of their own music yeah, they're just like this weird brand.
Speaker 1:They just knew, like, how to brand themselves yeah, you know, and uh and like, there's all this infighting within the fandom of like oh, the original four, that's kiss, but they've had like two other members for way longer than the original four were ever together and so it's like.
Speaker 2:It's like the guy for the new basis for metallica. He's been there now longer than newstead and cliff, yeah, you know and I will always die on, newstead was the guy yeah, and even bleak 182 is for a moment had a different dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah and see, I wanted to bring that up. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, because I went through this a few years ago where tom delong left the band a second time I want to do more angels and airwaves yeah, and like he wanted to prove that aliens are real and somehow proved ufos. It's wild that the lead singer of a pop punk band was weirdly instrumental in the united states releasing classified files, important things.
Speaker 1:He had to go do it yeah and I mean, like you know, you can't blame the guy for leaving his band. I guess if he got shit done, yeah, but like they got a different dude yeah, and I actually don't like the guy's voice because I thought it sounded too similar to mark hoppus's, and one of the beauty of blinkway 2 is he had two dynamic voices.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like mike and chester mike is a bassist and or bass and chester's a tenor yeah and that's why it works so well and, like my thing is tom delong's my favorite part of blinkway 2. I love him as a singer, songwriter yeah and I loved angels and airwaves. I liked any solo thing. He did.
Speaker 2:You know, like he's just kind of my dude yeah and so I was really like I don't know, I don't believe he's gonna be like, but I was old enough that I didn't immediately go.
Speaker 1:Like they should change the name of the band. It's a different band, which is kind of like, well, mark and travis were already in a different band together plus 44, it's like just just let them have blink-182. But like what sucks nick is, both albums they released under skiba were both incredible. They were both stupidly good and I had to like text, my friend, like christian, to be like dude.
Speaker 1:They're this is actually catchy, yeah, you know like they're kind of thriving without like california, california album which was like a double album they ended up releasing like two versions of it and then, uh, that one called nine that was pretty it's just catchy pop rock I mean, hey, you know, but like I mean I think the one that just released it's new with tom the long back in the band's the best time they've ever done okay, but like and it's weird that they're like literally playing baseball stadiums and stuff like it's.
Speaker 2:It blows my mind that blink-182 is as big as they are right now. And call me crazy if I say this, but there's a thought that I have with like. While, yes, they had a lot of like teenage humor in their lyrics and stuff, there's an element to them when I think back and listen to it that kind of reminds me of the Beatles well, they're probably the time too long.
Speaker 1:Very much approach songwriting, I think, the way, like McCartney did it was like their nursery rhymes. He calls it nursery rhymes. He said you just take simple melodies, yeah, and just build off of them.
Speaker 2:Well, it's, and it's also it's. It's easy to remember lyrics it's it's easily sing along well, like we did. We did a little trip, like a weekend trip and we were listening music and every time a blink song came on, everybody knew the words.
Speaker 1:Well it's like it's mccartney, cobain delong all wrote very similarly. Like it's like, dude, it's not a lot of chords and it's just kind of like you take simple melodies and you just build on top of them, you know, and so like, that's why the beatles had a lot of hit songs.
Speaker 2:That's why the few songs that their albums nirvana had were full of like really catchy songs but it's also the dynamic of the two, like and I think maybe that's just the thing like Lennon and McCartney, they would sing together, they'd harmonize, but then they'd go back and forth off of each other, and Blink did that. Linkin Park has done that later when Mike started singing, and so like I think there's an even like system of a down. That's actually really good yeah.
Speaker 1:That's like the two man dinette it's not like I mean you Axl you know Joe Perry and Steven Tyler, but when you have two frontmen, that's and I'm a fan of the two frontmen Kiss everyone in Kiss sang, which is awesome to me.
Speaker 2:That is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:The drummer had the biggest songs, like, weirdly, the biggest songs of the 70s were the drummers. You know, it's like Ringo, it's like you. I love newstead and natalka. He was technically a second front man.
Speaker 2:People don't realize that and I think that's also why bands like blink-182 and lincoln park could continue despite losing a lead singer because there was a consistency like even with emily being a little different in sound, obviously because she's a woman. There's a difference there, but she still sounds in that realm and atmosphere. But Mike being there as the steady for the whole thing like keeps it intact.
Speaker 1:It's honestly like if the roles are reversed and somehow we lost Mike Shinoda and Chester. Biddington has been around, we'd probably still be in the same place where you still have Chester has, like this signature part of and he's like let me plug in a different person out of respect and the legacy of the band and Shinoda.
Speaker 2:You know, that's the thing everyone's saying, like dumb shit, like oh well, they should just like AI, this new album with Chester's voice. They've already done it. I was like, well, that's funny, that's actually more disrespectful to him. And you know the funny thing about the? Because I've listened to the AI copy of it and it's like there's not that big of a difference there's not.
Speaker 1:But also it's like dude you just did that without his consent. You don't know what his wishes actually would have been.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have heard people so Mike's solo album. They've done AI where they put Chester in as the singer in the choruses and stuff. But they are very upfront of like listen, this is done all out of love and respect, like I'm not, this is not for money, I just miss the sound and so like I can respect that. But when people are constantly going, what if Chester's saying blah-de-blah?
Speaker 1:no-transcript. His family like absolutely sued.
Speaker 2:They're living shit out of someone yeah, because like you can't just pick him up, this dude's face in a war movie. You don't know how you would have felt about vietnam right like we just lost james earl jones. But he apparently did sign something like a deal.
Speaker 1:That's going to be a new thing where artists will sign.
Speaker 2:Yes you have my permission to use my face voice likeness which makes a lot of sense in the james earl jones world because it's like you can, there's a huge, you can tell anytime, like that's not darth vader, like when somebody else is doing the voice, so I can see where it works, especially if the artist is like yes, you have my consent here's, you're gonna pay my family or whatever and take care of it, or however so you're saying arby's is like thank god, he signed that right like we can.
Speaker 2:I don't know if he signed the arby's contract, but like arby's can just use his voice for darth vader will still be around for years to come. Um, that's that's the. That's the recreation of older characters in the star wars verse I'm okay with, like, apparently, the people that peter cushing's estate just sues disney, yeah, yeah, disney for using his likeness. I'm like it took you long enough, but here we are.
Speaker 1:This is going to be a long episode, which is fine. It's whatever it's our only music episode Just to quote Adam Sandler in Wedding Singer well, we have a microphone and you don't, so you listen to every damn word we have to say, All our friends are like all right, some music.
Speaker 2:I've been listening for an hour.
Speaker 1:We still don't have any movies, yeah Well, you like music too, people. It's universal, it's weird.
Speaker 2:It's entertainment.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so but and we're going to hop into movies. I'm just this Lincoln Park thing really rocked Nick's world that I just needed I went from, let me let me put it.
Speaker 2:to put it in a nutshell, I went from being elated, heard the new song and then was brought quickly back down to earth, with just the internet being the internet. And people being cynical assholes and just being like we can't have nice things and I get. Had she, yes, been still a Danny Masterson's defender?
Speaker 2:Had she been doing some unruly shit with Scientology, then you're like, okay, that's a problem, but as far as we can tell, as far as she's come out and said like I don't support him, I don't support anybody that does this kind of stuff, and has not come out and we have not seen her doing anything with Scientology and all signs point to she's not a part of it anymore. And if she is it's very loose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but my thing is this also it's just kind of like like you. You like we're almost getting and we talked about this in a last episode like harry potter and jk rowling stuff, we're actually getting to a point where either you're gonna learn to separate the art from the artist, yeah like or you're not gonna get to just be a part of art yeah, like, at all like dude, we can dig up skeletons in anybody's closet we can magnify them and put them through whatever thing you want and get on a pedestal that because, oh well, since you know it's like I said with Mark Wahlberg people are bringing back up his like he had a like an Asian hate crime when he's 14 in Boston.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when?
Speaker 1:he's like in gangs and stuff and it's like well, he seems like a pretty normal adult now, and I don't think he's seen anything racist lately.
Speaker 2:Cancel culture, like we said, just does not allow room for people to grow and learn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like James Gunn clearly had grown and learned since that point. You know, hopefully, emily thing, you know other people that like the mel gibson, like people just want to shut them down. It's like, yeah, mel gibson did some bad things, but like, as long as he's contending to show improvement, it's like you're some not everyone's deserving of a second chance, but that doesn't mean we need to not allow anyone to have a second chance no, that's the thing I mean.
Speaker 1:There's a massive difference between what harvey weinstein did, which there's a whole bunch of people now coming out saying like well, I think he should be given a second's, like dude he raped a lot of people. Yes, like it's and then there's, like kevin hart said, the fag word on twitter 15 years ago right it's like all right. Is he still going around saying it like crazy? Is he still saying homophobic things or is he just like said yeah, I should have said that back then, right and I apologize and that was dumb, you know, and it's just like all right cool let's move on.
Speaker 1:Don't say it again yeah, like and and there's a massive difference between those two things. Where we do have to have a case, we just want a blanket statement the world and just say like you get one shot or you're done yeah or everything's case by case you know, and it's just like not ever dude. The keanu reeves of the world are rare man they are, they are it's just him just sitting alone being a perfect guy. He looks like jesus, you know.
Speaker 1:But chances are, if we really dug in, we'd probably find something dummy did once, yeah, we'd be like, well, that one time when you were 18 I saw threads the other day and someone's like I'm watching the buffy show for the first time ever, which is like god from the 90s, like the late 90s, and it's like they really use the r word a lot and I'm like, yeah, yeah, we did all the time like we touched on last episode, the R word and even like gay in itself was used as a slur, not even like attacking the gay community.
Speaker 2:You were saying like, if I didn't like what you were doing, I'd be like, that's gay, Even like.
Speaker 1:but the thing is, even back then, which I grew up, I couldn't tell you of a gay student in my class. You know and I guarantee you there were tons of closeted gay students in my class Because there was not a safe environment. For the record, people are from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2:It's still not necessarily the best place to come out.
Speaker 1:It's better but it's not great, we're not in Oklahoma City or Tulsa, those places you're probably fine.
Speaker 2:You're generally okay.
Speaker 1:So I graduate in 2004. That's my age. And so I don't know if a gay classmate, but yeah, you said the R word to say something was stupid or lame, because you're dumb and that was part of the vernacular and you don't know any better.
Speaker 1:You didn't question things like if you're gonna cancel a blanket statement everybody's, but I also know that we did have some mentally handicapped students in my class and you never said it to them, right? You were like no, there's a line. Yeah, we at least have some sort of standard, of being like some weird. No, you can't say that, don't use that word with him, like they can't help that, yeah. But then you grow up and you're like oh, that, I get it now yeah to say, to equate that word with lame and it's just like it's not.
Speaker 1:It's just, there's all these variables and yeah, that's a shitty thing to do. I'm taking that word out of my vocabulary, right, you know?
Speaker 2:and so, like you just grow up and it would just suck if someone had a camera on me when I was 12, all the time yes and was able to play it back now and go like I would hate to have a smartphone in my existence in middle school, high school, at all, like just because not that I was doing anything bad, but then because it's like we said, like if we found any monochrome of success, or if just people just wanted to like kind of ruin your life, oh, nick, I've told you, if either one of us ever become successful at anything, we have to delete the podcast.
Speaker 2:I was, like I've said something dumb on this podcast at some point and someone will take it and blow it out of proportion absolutely and you know, like I have 100 said something problematic on this podcast at some point.
Speaker 1:It's a microphone and we don't do a ton of editing and so well, not anymore and like we've been doing it for five years, I guarantee you as a person, I've grown a lot in five years, because that's hopefully what we do as people. Sure, I bet I go back and listen to our early episodes and be like that was a little cringy, I was kind of stupid that was dumb and that was ignorant of me and so yeah, and this is like and that's dumb, but we're back on the whole cancel culture thing.
Speaker 1:That's just because the lincoln park lady, emily strong armstrong armstrong got milkshake duck, which I learned as a term for milkshake, not having a great punk name yeah, that is a good. That is a good punk name but I mean again, like even right now, everything is even divided by like well, you can't like them because they're pro israel, or you can't like them or they're pro palestine and it's like dude, just listen to the song and like you know, if you don't want to support them, download it illegally, you have that option go to the pirate bay, my friend.
Speaker 2:Just go steal their music, then you're sticking it to them, but you can still enjoy their music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or art, or whatever you know um, I don't know if I can get sued for telling people to steal. I don't know. Just don't say I did it, I told you to, nick told you to Okay, so now we got to talk movies, we do have to move on.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:If you stuck with us and you're listening to this movie podcast about movies.
Speaker 2:Congrats, you're here.
Speaker 1:You made it to the movie part.
Speaker 2:I will find the time code at some. Yes.
Speaker 1:Music comes up in movies a lot. It does, and I'm not going to talk about the lame stuff like Allie Dale would like John Williams, like the composing in Hans Zimmer, like that's nerdy stuff Okay.
Speaker 2:Just the majority of the music world. Yeah, yeah, like forget it, you know.
Speaker 1:Hans Zimmer, john Williams. What's the cool, howard?
Speaker 2:Shore, Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1:What's like Encino? Oh, oh, uh, oh, yeah, yeah, morocco, and yeah, yeah, that guy. Yeah, all of our cinephiles said you know what, screw this.
Speaker 2:I'm just listening seriously and now they can't even think of the good, bad and ugly composer like screw these guys um. It's true, we can't um insinio moroni no it's inio, morocco, and I probably am saying that exactly. Composer and orchestrator, who did the? Who did the?
Speaker 1:uh, he did the uh music for the thing.
Speaker 2:John carpenter's the thing it was supposed to be him uh but it wasn't but they took. They didn't use music, because they used it in hateful eight was what they did I think, yeah, it's like it's.
Speaker 1:Uh, john carpenter did the music that's right, because john carpenter he does.
Speaker 2:It's right, he also does concerts like yeah, yeah it was composed by Morricone, but some pieces were left blank due to the process of how the film was scored. So I guess just a lot was missed, or something.
Speaker 1:So some of it is Morricone and some of it is John Carpenter.
Speaker 2:It seems to be that way.
Speaker 1:See my thing, everybody makes a big deal out of Jaws because it's real easy Like do-do-do-do, it's like just a.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like a heartbeat sound. Well, one is like very overt and loud in your face the Thing one, though it just gets under your skin. The Thing is subtle, like that's the whole point of the Thing, but man, it's just when you hear it you're like oh crap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's way more fun. Yeah, jaws is like the song and it's like okay, nick, but we're not gonna talk about composers. We already talked about them too much. But music has a lot of fake bands.
Speaker 2:It does I want?
Speaker 1:you to come up with the three night festival and give me your three headliners of fake bands. Okay, oh crap, I haven't prepared for this. You haven't prepared for this, Corey. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:All right, well, I'm just gonna name off, name off. Yeah, I mean, weirdly there's a lot of them. Actually you've got spinal tap, blues brothers. You got still water from almost famous the sexpa bombs, the oneeders excuse me, the wonders, yeah, the wonders. Okay, I think I have mine okay you can go first though no, no, you can go first, because I don't have anything, right? Oh, you don't have any. I have to pull it out of my butt.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh nick um, okay, so I'm doing a three night festival, okay, um, I'm gonna start out with like you know, like and it's weird like sometimes these festivals do like uh, what am I trying to say?
Speaker 2:co. Well, it's like it's like they'll do like a different genre every night almost yeah, like, and it's like tonight's this is the rap night, or this is the alternative music and I this is the metal night.
Speaker 1:Yeah okay, so for metal night. Okay, I'm doing steel dragon from the movie rock star okay, some, some, some. Mark walberg there for you because weirdly, they wrote a ton of great songs for that movie. That's the thing, man. You know why I can't go with the wonders? They got the one song, man that's fair. No, they had a couple songs I mean they do and they're all right. I mean they're all right we're, but we're assuming.
Speaker 2:We're assuming that they, if they're playing a concert, that there are other songs and I think they have the ability to play other songs and here's my thing.
Speaker 1:I think I'm doing an all rock festival yeah you know, like steel dragons, like they're doing my friday night though, okay they're headlining I think still water's playing. But again I don't think they have enough to back headlining uh-huh um, and I'm gonna make spinal tap open right before steel dragon. It's weird. I'm not gonna go steel dragon okay um my saturday night okay, I listening I don't even know what they're called.
Speaker 2:What movie is it?
Speaker 1:from From the Phantom of the Paradise. It's like the band that the beef guy leads. Have you seen it yet?
Speaker 2:I haven't yet.
Speaker 1:It's so good. Oh my gosh, I can't remember what is the band.
Speaker 2:The Undeads, the Undeads yes.
Speaker 1:It's interesting because it's the same band keeps morphing throughout the movie and, in their final form, is the undeads, and they get beef as the lead singer got it, they're headlining my Saturday night sex. Bob-omb will open up for them.
Speaker 2:It's a good choice. It's a good choice.
Speaker 1:Um, but my Sunday night. Who's actually like closing out this festival?
Speaker 1:Okay um, that I will probably go about as well as Woodstock 99 Is Doug's the beat. They have a lot of good songs, they do. They. That I will probably go about as well as Woodstock 99 is Doug's the Beats. Nice, they have a lot of good songs, they do. They. Played them all through the show. It was great and they're all really good. So the Beats are 100% closing out my fake festival and we'll just let Dr Teeth and Electric Mayhem open that night.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:I thought they got some stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised Wild Stallions didn't make the cut. Well, it's because when they actually get good in Bill and Ted 2, it's just like a Kiss song. There's no original music from the Wild Stallions. You're really judging the music.
Speaker 1:It's not just the memories of it, the Wild Stallions never produced an original song in the movies. They did the third one.
Speaker 2:I never saw the third one. It's too precious to me. I'm afraid of it. That's what I'm going to tell you not to watch. I'm afraid of it. I think you're going to you'll get a little disappointed by that.
Speaker 1:I'm at that. I'm at that thing where, like Quentin Tarantino literally just did an interview where he's never watched past Toy Story 3. Yeah, because he said it's why I haven't engaged with a lot of marvel past in-game sure, unless it's like an event type of scenario.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm not gonna watch I mean I was surprised you came out for deadpool and wolverine because it was its own thing.
Speaker 1:It's just kind of like I can see this it's not too too. Uh tied into everything I'm not following much of the multiverse crap, you know it's.
Speaker 2:It's just a lot too. I mean they, they made the mistake, they made this thing. They were forced to make tv shows because of disney plus and I think that was the mistake. Suddenly all their movies became six hours stretched out things. For the most part, you're not getting like the great uh, focus on a lot of these movies what are you doing?
Speaker 1:are you making an actual festival? I'm just writing, I'm just looking up names so I can decide what to do here. Okay, but I see a good one yeah, there's some good ones in here so, okay, so night one.
Speaker 2:Let's look, okay, we'll, we'll do night one, we'll do. I'm just gonna go all over the place. You just gotta pick and choose your nights like that's a normal festival festivals are like man, I want to go see both bands, but they're playing two different nights and I only got money for one. Yeah, so I'll go night one. Um, I want marvin barry and the star lighters opening like leading into the blues brothers with or without michael j fox, with With Michael J.
Speaker 2:Fox, of course, got it Because Michael J Fox's 80s band is not very good from Back to the Future.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? They're just playing Huey Lewis songs.
Speaker 2:But it's a bad. Huey Lewis oh, that's true, they're not doing well. Huey Lewis did not approve.
Speaker 1:That's right. Huey Lewis himself said next.
Speaker 2:He was not happy about it. Beyond that, I'm giving you the wonders as one of the early opening acts and then I'm gonna. I'll play a little bit into childhood here and this will lead into all the Disney kids out there. We'll do power line. He's got some bangers. It's a banger song. It's a couple great songs that he's got.
Speaker 1:I only know the one there's eye to eye and then stand out like, both are pretty good some band. Magnolia Park just covered eye to eye for that. Disney goes punk. Yeah, a whole new sound. Is it sound? Was it good? It's actually really good. Okay, all right, I'll have to check it out.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that'll be our like kind of pop, uh, you know, evening, and then I'm gonna give you, I'll give you, uh, okay, I'm gonna give you sex bomb to open to as well on night.
Speaker 1:Three, the attackers from streets of fire oh, that's gonna be a wild night man and we're gonna finish it out with dr teeth and the electric mayhem yeah, dude, yours is actually ending like woodstock 99 a lot of stuff's gonna go on fire, it's gonna be nuts hey, let me ask you this going back to lean park for a second. When did their first album come out?
Speaker 2:1999 or 2000 was hybrid theory it was hybrid theory.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes because you know, I'm kind of wondering I believe it was 2000, because we just had this.
Speaker 2:I just had this conversation with some friends.
Speaker 1:So there's all these documentaries coming out now about Woodstock 99.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And how atrocious it was. Yeah, there's like literally two documentaries.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Bill Simmons had one for HBO and then Netflix made one and that's like a three episode thing and it's interesting because it always goes back to did Fred Durst like cause a riot, you know because, they were massive. They weren't even headlining the festival, that's they were massive. They weren't headlining the festival. That's also they didn't even headline their day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like they were like, but everyone was there to see them right and then they of course played break stuff and they just start tearing the place apart, and then other promoters are like well, he should have calmed the crowd down, you're like?
Speaker 2:for a dirt calm and fred. Dirt's are not synonymous with each other.
Speaker 1:This, it's like.
Speaker 2:This man has a lyric that literally says let's burn this motherfucker down you make a lot of money wearing a red yankees hat and being angsty as shit and you want him to go out there and be like guys, guys guys, hold on. We're all here to have a good time.
Speaker 1:Maybe we shouldn't break stuff, guys yeah, I'm singing a song, but it's metaphorical. Please don't litter. It's like, no, he's not gonna say that, he's gonna like, absolutely tell these kids to tear this place apart.
Speaker 2:He needs to be at one of our concerts. Is b-rabbit?
Speaker 1:who's b-rabrap from eight mile? Oh, you're right. Also, we just need just in from bodyguard. He's just whitney houston, with a different name you know. The best performance at woodstock 99, though is is dmx but see they consider that problematic because the entire crowd was white kids yelling the n-word. But listen for for 1999 for a.
Speaker 2:Maybe they were, I wasn't paying attention to that part but like for him to go out there alone on the stage and, like this audience is captive. The thousands, almost how many people were at this thing? Like 200 200 000 people, far as you could see, and they're all vibing with just a man on a stage with his hype man dj, and he's singing. Uh, stop, drop it and shut him down. Open up shop with writers album. That's one of those writers.
Speaker 1:Anthem you know, again I I hate over analyzing the past but that is one of those things that is a good point that they bring up and like. As you're watching the documentary, you're like, oh my gosh, there was no black people at this thing, it's kind of nuts, it's like it's a sea of white mainly dudes yeah and then some women you know a lot of women who were all naked. For some reason it's woodstock and it's also.
Speaker 1:I think it was really hot yeah so I mean water was like four bucks in 1999 it was. It turned out to be a festival trying to gouge everybody yeah, but like I remember music, music places, gouging money. Well, it's supposed to be woodstock man, it's not supposed to be capitalistic, but it totally was. And the guy that started the first music people taking advantage of our hard-earned dollars. So, um, but it is.
Speaker 1:It was interesting, I remember they bringing that up it's like oh it's just a sea of white kids yelling the n-word, but it's like okay, yeah, but it was 99, everybody's stupid um, especially though it's gen x man, yeah yeah, it's gen x, it's their fault they lost kurt cobain and they're mad. So but like, uh, it's interesting because like I wonder if lincoln park had come out two years early if they're the limp biscuit of what looks like. I wonder if, like, shut up, what I'm talking to you is when they tear the place down.
Speaker 2:Okay, but here's the thing about the difference between lincoln park and limp biscuit and pacifist peacetime people, yeah, like they're angry, but they might have come out and said everyone chill, yeah, they would have been the first like, because they've stopped concerts being like get that guy up like we're not doing that which is normal. Now I think I've seen country artists do that recently, like this week, like stop concert biscuit was like the guns and roses of their era, like it was pure rock and roll pure more chaotic, chaotic yes, 100 like that was because that was the thing like it's like wcw and wwf cory.
Speaker 2:Wcw was the kind of the squeakier, clean version of wrestling of the 90s the attitude era stuff, and wwf was like we're doing all the crazy stuff in the pain, yeah limp biscuit was wwf, lincoln park was wcw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, in this case wcw outlasted well, if lindbisc Limp Bizkit's gone to roses, linkin Park is Rush, and Rush is going to be, like everyone, chill, yeah, okay, hold on, wait, okay. What's all this craziness about?
Speaker 2:Guys, this is not cool.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, I just thought of that the other day, though I was like I wonder if One Step Closer was around in 99, if it would have been the antagonist, for sure, but I don't think they.
Speaker 2:It would have been nuts, but I don't think the chaotic energy that fred, durst and limp biscuit had was really what put it over I saw them play back to back you did you have the perfect example.
Speaker 1:So, um, yeah, okay, all right, that I was just. I was just curious. I just wanted your thoughts on how lincoln park would fit in 1999, um, and so, uh, okay, nick, moving on, let's talk music biopics oh, do we have to yes, are there any good ones?
Speaker 2:there are few and far between name a good one I think I'm very sometimes. I just don't want to watch them because it's like you've seen the whole movie in the trailer yeah, you know a lot of times you know the ending right, like I think walk hard did a pretty good job of just the state standard biopic, which is like we're gonna follow this guy's whole life, basically hard like the story, he's not real.
Speaker 2:Yeah walk the line. Excuse me, listen. Walk hard is the greatest biopic of all time, cory you just don't get it.
Speaker 1:Talking about the thing about walk hard is.
Speaker 2:Which is great is if you watch walk hard, it breaks your brain and the glass ceiling and illusion of any biopic it ruined. If it had been a bigger hit, we we wouldn't be having behemian rhapsody would wouldn't have been what it was.
Speaker 1:I never watched dewey cox I don't like that type of humor but, but it's, it's a send-up of all biopic movies yeah so literally, like you know the beginning, he's got the biggest concert of his life.
Speaker 2:He's like dewey cox has to think about his entire life before this concert and then it flashes back to his birth and stuff. So a lot of that type of stuff, yeah, but you walk the line.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what you're talking about. Yeah, I have that in my top five.
Speaker 2:We had two movies that came out the same year behemian rhapsody and then rocket man which took two different takes two different takes rocket man was very.
Speaker 2:It was a fantastic realistic musical and I liked that way better. But human rhapsody also had all this weird behind the scenes stuff, like people like hate on it for its edit. It was weird because like the band itself is just too full of themselves and like apparently they had to have equal time on screen. It's like this movie is about Freddie Mercury. Your band doesn't exist without Freddie. It's kind of true, like well, hold on.
Speaker 1:I'll say what I did appreciate about Bohemian.
Speaker 2:Rhapsody.
Speaker 1:Okay, is it? Lets everyone know that the bass player was also the secret weapon. Yes, the bass player is just writing hit songs, right? Yeah, and no one knows his name. We know Roger Taylor, brian May and then the other guy and the other guy you know.
Speaker 2:Nobody knows the name. Oh, do you even know his name actually? Off the top my head. No Queen. Queen bassist is John Deacon John.
Speaker 1:Deacon, john Deacon, he's just like tell everybody shut up when they're fighting, and then he just whips out another one. Bites the dust right. So I like that.
Speaker 2:It's true's true, it's true. No basis, don't get a lot of love.
Speaker 1:I appreciated that. The movie said oh yeah, what'd you say, jonathan Deacon?
Speaker 2:yeah, jonathan, john Deacon, john Deacon yeah he.
Speaker 1:Um, those are both good. I'll say here's the difference. Bohemian Rhapsody tries to capture a whole career yeah right Queen starting getting big.
Speaker 2:Freddie.
Speaker 1:Mercury dying. Now my thing is I don't think it's that bad because it's a short career, yeah, and they did have to leave a lot of stuff out, right, okay. So here's what Rocket man did right and what I think should be the future of music biopics. Okay, it just took a part of Elton John's life.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And focused on a small section of his career.
Speaker 2:And then in the credits you're like oh it does go from his like it does follow most of his life, like it's childhood it's, like it's in sections it leads the whole back half of his career. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We don't get Disney, elton John.
Speaker 2:I'm still standing is like where it cuts off. It's the 80s, yeah. And you know and I mean, and they kind of fly through a lot of childhood and stuff and it's in and it's like cool, they picked a like an ending yes point rather than saying like, all right now we gotta nail the lion king, you know and all this stuff and get into like dua lippa and britney spears covering stuff yeah, in the farewell tour.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen it yet, but there's a movie about the beach boys called love and mercy I want to see it.
Speaker 1:The john cusack, yeah, and apparently that just takes.
Speaker 2:It might even just be over like a week of time, and I think that that's more interesting is to go. Let's find a pivotal moment.
Speaker 1:More than that, because both actors are playing brian wilson okay, so it's selecting like a specific period but I think what it is. I think it's like, I think it's like one of those bookend where it's like one's a framing device. Yeah, like I think brian will, brian wilson like weirdly was like held hostage by a manager or something like that.
Speaker 1:They abused his mental health stuff and kind of ostracized him for everybody. So I think it's framing around that John Cusack being reclusively kept, but they're telling the story of his life and Dano is young. Brian Wilson, I want to see it. It's got Paul Giamatti being the bad guy, so it's got to be good.
Speaker 2:I like the idea of going, because the problem with biopics is like you said it just it's endless. It's like we got to tell the whole story and there's really there's. No, the only arc is the typical, you know rock star arc of you start off, you make your first song, you get, you blow up huge, you get into drugs and rock and roll or your infidelity, and then that's the dark night of the soul. Then you got to pick yourself back up and release that really important song and then everybody's happy for you but it doesn't.
Speaker 2:But then that's not so you didn't like rocket man, I did I did like rocket man, but like, and I felt like I think the fantastical elements of it is what made it feel fresh. But I want, I want biopics that are taking like, honestly, like eight mile is kind of like a biopic, it's, it's, it's a yeah it's a but. It's covering this certain point of eminem's life, did you? Uh, did you like elvis?
Speaker 1:I thought it was interesting. I liked that they more or less told the story of his manager more than they were telling elvis. I kind of liked that they used that as a device of like, look at this shitty dude. Yeah, that kind of used all this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you don't you never hear about that?
Speaker 2:guy like nobody ever real, unless you're like an elvis fan or whatever. I guess you probably know. But like I had never really been aware that he had this really bad manager that like basically ran him into the ground and just lied to him and gas, lit him up and stuff, so so, yeah, so I think it's. I think it's more interesting when you cover a particular period, or at least you do something different than just we're just going to follow the beats of this person's life yeah, and I think another thing is like so I like walk the line's good, but again, walk the line, only it stops at a point.
Speaker 1:Right, it doesn't like say here's the entire other 40 years of johnny cash's.
Speaker 2:We don't get to hurt yeah we don't get.
Speaker 1:Yeah like, and so I think that works, that they kind of just cover his and june's story yeah of like meeting, in that I mean it covers a lot of time.
Speaker 2:Nwa works because they had a short career, yeah, and so, like you have all this build up to nwa and then the aftermath, nwa also works because, like we don't we don't get a lot of or yeah, straight up straight out of compton works, because we haven't really gotten a lot of mainstream african-american music stories that have been put on that scale. There's been like michael jackson movies.
Speaker 1:There's been oh, they've been terrible like tv movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're all tv movies and stuff and they haven't been given like that. But it's, it's, it's dr, dre and them being, you know, multi-millionaire slash billionaires and like finally getting a platform to be able to tell these stories finally. So I think that's interesting, for sure.
Speaker 1:I think the best all-time music biopic is. I haven't seen it but, so good, watch la bomba nick. Okay, it's so good.
Speaker 2:But again you're talking about a guy who died young, so you don't they don't overdo it yeah, tell them the story of the rise of this, like latino kid, even a story about like nirvana post cobain, like how did they pull themselves out of that?
Speaker 1:it's weird that they haven't necessarily done a huge cobain biopic like gus van zandt, I mean something called last days and I don't think they ever say cobain, yeah, just like. I think it's kind of like what you did, like eight mile, it's like.
Speaker 2:Look at this cobain s character well, is there a movie about an artist and this is complete ignorance. I'm asking this question where they did kill themselves and but and they've made a movie about that artist, like john lennon, got shot yeah, but again we don't even have like a proper linen right alia crash. I mean we're about to get four freaking beatles movies I don't know about that, apparently, yeah um, but sounds like a bad idea.
Speaker 1:It sounds, sounds like too much, because again, again, I actually think the Beatles is weirdly a movie you can make, yeah, like in two hours, because their whole career was seven years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as a band. It's crazy Like they didn't make it out of their third, their 20s as a band.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like they were done, so you can literally tell the story of the Beatles. Yeah, stop at the breakup yeah and like say obviously john lennon died yeah, harrison died. You know, ringo and paul are still kicking around, you know? I mean like you could do that yeah and so like, and I think acdc could be, uh, a short movie, because once that bon scott died and brian john scott replaced, they never made an album that didn't sound like the other 30 albums like right, it's just.
Speaker 2:But even that, like you get the transition like you could make.
Speaker 1:That's the story, is the rise of a band and the death of the lead singer.
Speaker 2:Then they, you know, but I think you, but I think an interesting movie is the starting with the death of the lead singer. Like you, you start.
Speaker 1:You could make a whole movie. That's just the. Do we go on as acdc? Yeah well, there's this guy. Bon scott used to talk about a lot that he liked and we could check him out imagine like structurally as a movie.
Speaker 2:It's like you you have the jump in where it's all big and loud and everybody's loving it, and then it cuts to hard, cut to like you hear news, news reports of like Kurt Cobain has killed himself, blah, blah. And then it cuts to the funeral. You've got Dave Grohl and the bassist there and they're just. And then it's like where are they? How do they move on from this?
Speaker 2:like that's a drama that you can really sink your teeth into they'll probably make a Dave Grohl movie one day, yeah you know, just because he's like the last rock star alive yeah, um, he also just found out he's a father again not in his own marriage um, yeah, the movie probably won't get to that point again goes to show that even like the coolest people have have some, some stuff probably.
Speaker 1:He's a pretty lovable dude and he cheated on his wife, but he owned up to it, so I'm not gonna judge him too hard. Okay, um and so, but like so, biopics yeah, I think that the proper way to do them. If you want to tell a whole career, go to go to streaming, make a series yes, you know is there a biopic?
Speaker 2:you want nick I think there are interesting. This is not a thought I've had, I'm thinking literally about it right now. I think you could take something like you know uh, that thing you do follows a one-hit band. There's plenty of fun like 90s bands you could do that with. You could do a Rise and Fall of Creed Super easy, especially with their newfound fame and stuff that they've got because of post-Rangers run into the World Series.
Speaker 2:So you've got a lot of interesting stuff like that. I don't even know how you do a Linkin Park thing because I wouldn't want to do an A to B to Z, basically of it.
Speaker 1:Or how do they pick themselves up after this, like you'd almost want to like, I honestly think, like with the lincoln park thing you'd almost be like you'd almost like eight mile it like, here's this, you don't use the name lincoln park. It's like hey here's this up-and-coming band and elise singer killed himself. And here's the story of how you move on, I think if anything you you tell a story about chester because like struggling struggling until he finds lincoln park yeah like.
Speaker 2:And then it becomes this marriage of like, because they had a singer before, it just wasn't what they were going for.
Speaker 1:And then he, that guy, bailed, and Chester just happened at that point you're making a mental health movie you're making like a Joker type movie where it's like, really the thing we're trying to get to something, park is about that. This guy who seemed perfectly fine yeah, wasn't sure. Sure, you know yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:Robin Williams movie will eventually get one day, because that's the thing is like and that's what people would talk about after Chester had passed, was it's the same thing with Robbins? Like well, he was smiling, he was always happy. It's like he literally was on an interview, like not even a week before on a radio thing, being like my brain is the scariest place. He's like I don't like to be alone with it. It's like they're like I was telling you we were texting yesterday and I said you know I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, internet, but they were supposed to be. They just finished, like, their European tour for the new album. They were gonna come stateside and tour with blink 182 and you and I would have definitely gone to see that would have gone and.
Speaker 2:But that was like my only shot to go see them live with chester still being alive, but like had he it's, it's one of those. It's a big what if you can play that game all day. But it's like had he just not had gone home and they just gone straight to the concert. He could still have been there longer maybe, but you never know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it is one of those things where it's just bad place in time events.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he just got left alone at the wrong time, you know, type of thing um, okay, so some biopics I want. I want a ramones biopic I feel like there's a lot of like 70s punk and and stuff that just hasn't been covered.
Speaker 1:I think ramones one would be good series because it is I think you got to cover some ground there um sex pistols could be a movie, because they made one album yeah has there been?
Speaker 2:a a series, yet like a limited series. Anything about a band? I don't know, I mean like they made a they made one for selena.
Speaker 1:That was about 11 times better than this. Uh, jlo movie, okay, um, and then, uh, I think, zeppelin. I don't love led zeppelin, but again, they're a band that, like, released a very small number of albums in the 70s and then broke up. The second john bottom died. Okay, and that would be fun, just because that's a bunch of larger than life characters.
Speaker 2:Sure Also, where the bassist is doing all the work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also. So here's a question. Nick in a biopic. Do you think it's more important that they look a lot like the person, or do you think the performance can?
Speaker 2:overshadow. That's kind of the thing about. The other thing about biopics is it's like is it really acting.
Speaker 1:I love straight out of compton because I think everybody looks enough like the dudes in wa I mean obviously ice cube son is playing himself in that one, but the guy looks like easy yellow, looks like yellow, you know they.
Speaker 2:They look a lot like their specific things and then like sure, like it's not easy to like portray a character easy, easy, yeah, nice, but it's. But at the same time it's like you have versus, like johnny depp, creating jack sparrow based on all these different elements and creating a new being yeah versus an impression an impression.
Speaker 1:You just need to learn some mannerisms, learn voice.
Speaker 2:You study tape all day, yeah you learn how to play the piano I think that's acting.
Speaker 1:I think it's just like a lower form of acting yeah, okay um, and so I would say that, like I can, kind of, I like nwa, because I think they did work at it. There's like a hulu series called clip right now about the clippers and it's getting trashed because nobody even remotely looks like anyone.
Speaker 2:I think it's like you don't have to. I think spot on is great, but like as long as you're close enough, because it's like taryn edgerton looked eerily like oh yeah, elton john a lot. He did his own singing and it's like it's a pretty good thing. Rami malik doesn't look a lot like freddie mercury but, his performance was, I would say the same thing with austin butler.
Speaker 1:Didn't look a lot like elvis but I think their performances helped kind of kind of cover it yeah, split the gap phoenix looks enough like johnny cash and the voice. Good gosh that was impressive um, but like there's things like the dirt motley crew, I think it's the worst biopic ever made.
Speaker 2:I think it's just absolute, unwatchable, garbage, trash and I hate that was even a movie or a series.
Speaker 1:As a movie, okay, it's by the jackass guy, oh you know, every once in a while they try to let him make a feature and it's just. It was atrocious. Nobody looks like anybody. Machine gun kelly's weirdly the most talented dude in it, oh no like which is bad yeah because he's not an actor really, and it's just it, and it's it's motley crew saying like look, we're the joke. Everyone thinks we are.
Speaker 1:We're just a bunch of drug at it you know you're kind of like they didn't tell a redeeming story at all and it also tried to cover way too much ground gotcha.
Speaker 2:Um, I do feel like I think biopics just innately to me, just are off-putting like I'm just like it's hard for me to get into just a straight up drama, and it's hard unless I just love the band or really I'm interested in them, like I. It's almost like I'm like I could do a wikipedia read about this real quick, yeah, or watch a live concert docu-series or something. But I would. I would be more open to, yeah, like a limited run series of like here's led zeppelin, here's motley crew here's and because you're getting.
Speaker 2:You are getting to deep dive a little bit more, and I feel like covering someone's life or career is better built for television, because then you're not having to just crunch it all into two hours and it's interesting because, like I couldn't, like my favorite band of all time is blink-182 and I couldn't even envision a blink-182 movie, despite the fact that they have a weirdly cool story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, like I mean, they've broken up twice and like they've now come around where it's like the one more time video, I did cry yeah, you know because it is very emotional, but like it is essentially travis barker almost died once, mark hoppus almost died to cancer and it's like tom delong finally grew up and said crap, I'm gonna lose my friends yeah and like it's stupid to fight, and so they get back together and there's a story there, but I still it just feels like it's point two.
Speaker 2:It'd be weird if there was a movie about them weirdly enough, the jackass guy should have made the bleak 182 movie not the motley crew movie maybe, so you know what I mean like those blend together.
Speaker 1:But like yeah, you're right, but I think most of the jackass dudes are in a motley. But like, uh, okay, like if you had to cast a lincoln park movie, could you do it?
Speaker 2:not on the top of my head okay because you're also running into, like mike is japanese and then I mean you could do chest chester white, you know but like. Mr Han, I think he's also Japanese.
Speaker 1:I don't think Orlando Bloom would make a good Chester. He looks like him for sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, but you'd have to like, get you know.
Speaker 1:2005 Orlando Bloom oh, that's right, he's starting to.
Speaker 2:He's starting to grow a little long in the tooth there, but uh, yeah, I don't, I don't, I would have to think about it. Maybe we can put that on social media or something.
Speaker 1:Okay. So here's the thing. Not my favorite band, um At all Okay, but they're the band that got me into it KISS Okay, you know I outgrew KISS. Either you stick with KISS forever or you outgrow them and you just grow up to realize that they're like just, they're more businessmen than they are musicians.
Speaker 2:Real quick note Joseph Hahn, Mr Hahn of Linkin Park. He's Korean, Okay, so I just wanted to clarify that you know what I learned about Linkin Park. What's that?
Speaker 1:So the guitar player isn't going to tour with him right, right, yeah, brad's not going to. He's like I don't want to tour and I guess he or Shinoda both mentioned that no-transcript and I'm wearing big in-ears.
Speaker 2:I'm not wearing in-ears, I'm the guy with the big fro in the headset.
Speaker 1:Apparently those are noise-canceling things Wow. Okay, See, apparently he actually hates loud environments. That makes so that's hey, whatever. And he's just like whatever. I'm old, I'm not touring, but he's still gonna like be on the album or whatever yeah um, so they've been talking about kiss biopic forever, right even netflix, I think it's been on it like hey, when they, when we make this, we want to be the distributor of it, you know, because it's kiss.
Speaker 1:Now I say this it should 100 be just the 70s. Okay, it should go up to where they take the makeup off in, like 1983.
Speaker 2:Okay, it should be the formation to losing the makeup and then cut that's it the credits can be, and they had a career without makeup, it was okay was that also kind of to the point where it was the four main members of the band still?
Speaker 1:so, uh, no, peter chris quits in like 78 the drummer, and then they get a new guy and they put different makeup on him yeah denny's freely like screw that. Peter chris is gone, he was my bro, he qu Okay, they get another dude.
Speaker 2:They put some makeup on him but it's different makeup and it's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so then they said this is dumb. Everyone's kind of tired of the makeup thing. We be they kind of got like uncool. Yeah in the. You know, in the 70s it became like little kids were in the kiss and so they took the makeup off. Gene Simmons tried acting. Paul Stanley carried kiss on his shoulders through the 80s Like he pretty much did all of the work. He threw the other three dudes, two new members, on his back and carried them through the 80s until he gets to the 90s.
Speaker 1:Nostalgia happens and they're like let's put makeup back on, and they've been doing that ever since 96, and so I casted what I think would be a good kiss movie okay okay, all right, I think there's five crucial roles for a movie that captures 70s.
Speaker 1:Kiss, okay, late, laid on me, and I mean there's also I didn't bother with the two extra members, which probably also need to be cast, sure, but I couldn't even try right now. But I think you have to cast the manager, bill Acoin. Okay, he essentially is the guy that turned Kiss into a merchandising machine, got it? He's the guy that said I'm going to make you guys wealthy by making, just slapping your face paint on everything. His name is Bill O'Coin. That needs to be Neil Patrick Harris all day long. Okay, you know, bill O'Coin was a famously gay man, right, and uh, and I, and he was just really an eccentric dude, okay, so I think it's Neil Patrick Harris all day long. Nice, uh, peter Criss, the drummer white okay, so we're modern, modern cast.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, this is like if we make this movie tomorrow, got it, got it so jeremy allen white, I think he can do like the weird mumbly new york accent, because you couldn't even understand peter chris talking right. He had a really thick bronx accent, sure uh, ace, freely controversial here, ezra miller, oh no, but ace really is the weird guy okay, he's absolutely the weirdest dude in the band and I think you need ezra miller.
Speaker 1:Ezra miller here, uh, gene simmons is 100 adam driver. They're both freakishly tall jewish men, and so I just think it's got to be adam driver, okay. And uh, paul stanley that one was the hard one because paul stanley's very charismatic, very flamboyant, okay, um, and I just need a guy that is weirdly chameleon like I think yeah, not afraid showing a hairy chest okay which I don't know if he can grow chest hair, if we'd have to like cgis him on there. But bill scars guard is gonna be my paul stanley. Okay, sure he'll.
Speaker 2:He'll lose himself in a role I think bill scars guard can do no wrong. That's a big, that's a big, uh, it's a big, big group there yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be a very inflated budget. Yes, let's kiss.
Speaker 2:They have the money, it's true, and they would, and they have such big egos they'd be like we only oh my gosh their egos are so big that, no matter what, this biopic will be absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because gene simmons will not allow them to be shown in a bad light, and he's a terrible guy, and paul stanley's pretty terrible well I mean you've got detroit rock city, so like that's about it, but they only show up at the end right, they just do the concert.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be something on that level where it's just very, very fun.
Speaker 1:It's not really touching, which is a great movie. It is a great movie. That's such a good movie. Um, everyone hated it, but I loved it. It's fun.
Speaker 2:It's a coming of age story. They gotta go see their favorite band. My dad went to see kiss.
Speaker 1:I didn't know yes, how is your dad? How did your dad grow up to be?
Speaker 2:your dad. There's a whole thing. Actually. He tried to go see Kiss. I think my grandma found out and wouldn't let him go.
Speaker 1:And see why didn't he just break the cycle and let you be you, man.
Speaker 2:Why didn't?
Speaker 1:he think about the night he could have saw Kiss and been like Nick. You can go see Linkin Park, thanks dad Real bonding moment. It's weird. You either break the cycle or you just lean into it and you're like, well, I didn't get to see kiss, so f you, neither do you. It's like who's kiss? Whatever band you like, this rap rock you like, so all right, that's our music. We're at two hours.
Speaker 2:We gotta wrap up let me ask you one final question to wrap it up, and this can be very quick. Who do you think is the greatest fictional movie band of all time?
Speaker 1:who do? You think like the biggest, like fictional movie band yeah, yeah, yeah it's hard not to say spinal tap, sure, because they were actually a band that toured, that's fair yeah, like literally created a band.
Speaker 2:They literally are musicians and wrote songs and released albums. That's, that's probably true.
Speaker 1:But like so. So in a weird way, it's hard to call them even fictional because they kind of became real. Okay, I would say I would.
Speaker 2:But we're talking like if I, if I went to the normal casual person, said what's, what's a rock band from a movie you like?
Speaker 1:that's not real like, who would they think of? Probably it's got to be in my head, it's got to be the oneiders, the wonders probably.
Speaker 2:I just feel like everyone knows it. But kind of, they know the song, they know the band from the tom hanks movie, the, the thing they joke, everyone would say oh, that's oneiders, yeah, yeah, no, that's, I think, a lot of younger people might say like they would just quickly go to like school of rock or something like that too school of rock or sex bomb, like sex bomb, um, and then I do think, weirdly still, water has legs, probably it's a gen x famous. It's just. It's a solid movie.
Speaker 1:Everyone saw it, yeah and fever dog was a big song. Fever dog's a good song, it's just. You know, they tried to turn it into a musical. I don't know if it's still a musical or not. Like cam would be fun. Like Cameron Crowe wrote it and put it on. I don't know if it's still playing. I want to go watch Bill and Ted in their Broadway thing that they're doing.
Speaker 2:They're doing a Broadway. Oh wait, they're acting.
Speaker 1:No, the actors are doing a serious play.
Speaker 2:We got to go watch them Because like Pan and stuff on.
Speaker 1:Broadway he played like John, I think. Oh, wow, so he was like a kid actor on Broadway. So he's got the chops, but we should go see it. Let's do it. I'm down.
Speaker 2:Quantum Recast takes New York, we could go. We're back in the New York group If we don't care about money.
Speaker 1:We could go see. We go to New York and we can go watch Jake Gyllenhaal and Denzel in O.
Speaker 2:Something Goodo I forget.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We're going to be very high-brow people of the theater for a weekend.
Speaker 1:We can't even afford Hans Zimmer tickets in Dallas. I don't think we can afford to go spend two nights on Broadway. That's fair, so but yeah that was my question, keanu, if you're listening, or Alex Winter, or, I think, jake Gy winter, or I think jay jalen hall is a fan, big fan yeah of the podcast denzel, we would love tickets to these broadway shows yeah, we will literally interview you and you can plug whatever you want we'll recast whatever movie we will sell out so hard, just like all great bands do.
Speaker 1:Eventually we will sell out so hard we've been trying to sell out for five years.
Speaker 2:We will cast you in every recast that we do from here on out right into into the table.
Speaker 1:We, despite rumors, we do not take bribes from actors. Wink yeah, the rumors that Nicolas Cage has slipped us a lot of money to be cast in his movies. That is not true, we have integrity. That's right. All right, let's wrap this up. We've lost all of our audience Talking about music. We've gained a whole new audience. Yeah, talking about music, we've gained a whole new audience. Yeah, like just, I love music, biopics.
Speaker 1:I've been waiting for this. That was Nick's opinion on Linkin Park, our opinion on music in general, and where it's at and then in fake bands. So we hope you enjoyed listening, as we're in this weird hiatus from the normal podcast and talking about whatever we want. So that was that. Say goodnight, nick, goodnight.