Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
We are a time-traveling film podcast that journeys through time to take classic films, blockbusters and cult favorites, to recast them in different years!
Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
The Lost Boys: The Timeless Appeal of Vampires
What if we finally recasted The Lost Boys?
Join us as we cap off the Halloween season by reminiscing about our first encounters with the dark world of vampire films, and recast Cory's beloved undead bad boys film, 1987's "The Lost Boys". We delve into the evolution of vampire lore on screen, comparing classics like the original "Dracula" with modern interpretations, and share a good laugh critiquing user-generated and AI-generated rankings of top vampire movies.
We finally get back to recasting, as Cory imagines a modern remake of "The Lost Boys," envisioning a version helmed by Jordan Peele and starring a diverse cast, while Nick keeps a hint of nostalgia by putting together a Late 90s cast. We explore the rich dynamics of character portrayal in vampire stories, celebrating performances from George Clooney's suave role in "From Dusk Till Dawn" to Joel Schumacher's unique touch on "The Lost Boys." As we sprinkle in casting ideas for potential remakes, we savor the nostalgia and timeless appeal that vampire cinema brings to the screen.
The episode wraps up with a spirited discussion about the cultural impact of vampire-themed media, from the iconic "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" to the cyclical popularity of the genre. We ponder setting future vampire stories in different eras, and entertain thoughts of a vampire resurgence with new projects. Whether you're a fan of the gothic and eerie or the nostalgic and comedic, this episode is a celebration of all things vampire that will leave you yearning for more.
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 5):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Terran Sherwood (@terransherwood)
Voice of the Time Machine:
Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
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Nick Growall
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Welcome. Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast, or whatever we're calling it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, Quantum Recast, we're still a podcast.
Speaker 1:Hey, we're recasting this episode.
Speaker 2:We are, we're correct, we're correct. We have all these little other things we do Dreamcast, yeah, minisoad, quantum, reaction. No, we're actually recasting.
Speaker 1:Maybe not in the most traditional sense, but we are going to recast a movie, yes, a movie I said we'd never do, by the way, that's right. So this is kind of a big deal. But before we do that we are going to talk about because it's spooky season, that's right my favorite. It's already gone by too fast. I think too much happens in October.
Speaker 2:It kind of does.
Speaker 1:Football starts, basketball starts and enjoy Halloween. It's like tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Also the passage of time and everything. It just kind of makes it impossible to like. Months are now like two weeks to us.
Speaker 1:It starts and you're excited and then you're like wait Halloween's next week. I'm too busy being mad at Christmas half the month because it's just trying to tread back on my health.
Speaker 2:Lowe's is already set up. Man, I went in there.
Speaker 1:the other day, oh no, and you're just like get off.
Speaker 2:Wait, I'm like I'm saying shh wait, wait, wait for it.
Speaker 1:I want Halloween to fight back and go longer into November, Like we're, like nah.
Speaker 2:Listen, we've got Day of the Dead Festival.
Speaker 1:We just got to keep pushing, I know we just I know, Find me some more no-transcript January. Well, technically it does.
Speaker 2:The Catholic tradition it leads into early January.
Speaker 1:It can go all the way to February. It does. It can trounce into Groundhog's Day, I just care less.
Speaker 2:Until Valentine's Day, we ain't got nothing to celebrate.
Speaker 1:We can have Valentine's Day, we have.
Speaker 2:Martin Luther King Jr's Day but that's it.
Speaker 1:Well, no, we can't take his day. No, we can't take his day, but around it they can have St Valentine's Day. Yeah, they can have.
Speaker 2:Valentine's Day Take that away.
Speaker 1:But we're going to talk about vampire cinema. That's right. Yeah, because we want to do a horror movie-centric episode and we want to just talk about vampires.
Speaker 2:Pretty much yeah.
Speaker 1:So about this pretty straight on.
Speaker 2:I think the first you didn't say until you were like 30, right, probably. Yeah, because your mom said you can't watch these.
Speaker 1:That's the devil, bobby. You would put in a vampire movie and your mom would call you. Are you watching vampire movies?
Speaker 2:No, no, you know I'm trying to even rack my brain to think about it. I will say the first movie I went to a theater to watch, first one is probably Twilight no no no, I've avoided those Van Helsing I went to watch that Technically has Dracula and the Brides in it, it does. Underworld One of the Underworld sequels Went to watch. That Couldn't tell you the plot other than a lot of talk of like. Oh then the ancient text was true, or the legend is confirmed, and Kate Beckinsale being a babe.
Speaker 1:Is it the third one maybe, where they go back and they tell the history of the war between they don't say werewolves in those movies? Rizalikens, Rizalikens, yeah.
Speaker 2:It might have been that one Trying to think About 2005, 2006, maybe. What are the underworld movies, Corey? I need a list of them real quick here.
Speaker 1:I don't even know. There's a lot of them.
Speaker 2:Okay, you got Underworld Evolution in 06, so that's probably the one I saw. Yeah, that's probably the one I saw, for sure. But the one that really sealed it in for me a bit, and I will say I did watch Queen of the Damned before that. So there's a lot of hit and miss going on there, but 30 Days of Night Corey might have been the first one I sat down and went. Oh, that was actually pretty good. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:The rest of them it was like or like a group of friends went to watch it, but that was the first one I went oh, okay, there's more to this.
Speaker 1:Your favorite movies are really in sync with your musical taste. It's like you're into nu metal, yeah, I was into nu metal.
Speaker 2:Okay, just because I like Linkin Park, doesn't don't put me in that category of like hey, you want some death tones, man. You want some puddle of mud over here, you're just like into Evanescence and the Underworld movies. That's apparently all. I listened to that and Creed allegedly no.
Speaker 1:I think I've seen all those. I've definitely seen 30 Days of Night. 30 Days of Night's a good movie.
Speaker 2:It's pretty solid, it goes really hard, it does yeah.
Speaker 1:It's based off a great comic book by Ben Templesmith, nice. I like to plug him.
Speaker 2:I'm a fan of his work but, like most artists, I think he got screwed over and like they just took it and made a bunch of sequel comic books without him. That's stupid. So it seemed like it was just a good one and done story. But yeah, I mean good. But for me it's like, yeah, I've seen, they've been on TV or something and I watch them or something. But there's always been like vampire movies and I've always been able to watch them on some degree. But it really wasn't until obviously later on that I got to enjoy them.
Speaker 1:I moved into our house and my friends were like here you get a vampire movie. You get a vampire movie. Um no, I not. You bring in a van helsing. I need to re-watch it. I bet it's one of those movies we appreciate.
Speaker 2:Now it's and it's just craziness it's still very cheesy, like over the top I did I watched it on whim, like it must have been like a snow day or something, but I I did.
Speaker 1:I was like you thought it was gonna be like a batman robin situation.
Speaker 2:I appreciate this now. It kind of, but it's still like you're still kind of like, ah, still kind of cheesy, Still get really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Still still not great. It's still Hugh Jackman with long hair and a dumb hat.
Speaker 2:So when you watch it as a teenager and it's one of the few opportunities you've had to really dive into like vampire lore or any kind of like horror thing, and they were trying to do the whole like update.
Speaker 1:It was.
Speaker 2:It's really yeah, they were trying to, so hollywood's dropped the ball twice on the dark universe, yeah, yeah, twice now, man, but nailed it in the 30s. But yeah, it's like. For me it was almost like a proper like, because I was aware of like big oligosis, dracula and all frankenstein and all those, but you never. I never sat down to watch them. But you get to watch like universal, try to revamp them a bit, and you're like, okay, I kind of see the nods to like the past and stuff, like the whole openings in black and white surely every single universal monster is public domain I don't know if they are yet or not.
Speaker 2:Dracula's gotta be that book's over 100 years old. I mean the characters I believe themselves could be, but I don't know if like the quote-unquote universal monster no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about the characters, like I'm talking about dracula, frankenstein's monster, the mummy, yeah, so like so.
Speaker 2:For example, like frankenstein, universal owns the copyright to the look of the frankenstein monster square head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the story is public domain.
Speaker 2:So that means for for you guys listening like that means you can make a more book accurate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, monster, or?
Speaker 2:you can go make nosferatu I guess.
Speaker 1:But nosferatu got sued eight ways from sunday. They did yeah because they were like we're gonna make a better vampire movie.
Speaker 2:It's like we want to make Dracula, you can't. Okay, we'll just make one that's kind of adjacent to it.
Speaker 1:We're German, screw you, make whatever we want so but like it's interesting, because it's like those things have got to be public domain and it's weird that we keep dropping the ball on trying to make a when you know what they're doing.
Speaker 2:Wrong, nick, what are they doing wrong?
Speaker 1:They're not bringing some comedic duo into them to be chased around?
Speaker 2:Laurel and Hardy yeah.
Speaker 1:If we had like Seth Rogen and Jonah Hill running from the mummy.
Speaker 2:It would work In between the serious movies Exactly. We would be in, We'd be fine. Well, that's what the Hotel Transylvania movies are now. Yeah okay. It's, it's not the same, it's, it's not quite, it's not quite. Well, cory, what is I mean?
Speaker 1:I know the answer do this when david spade and chris farley were making movies just running from dracula, third entry in in their in their spiritual sequels. Oh man, what could have been so?
Speaker 2:um, what did you ask me a question I was about to, but I'm going to confirm that, yes, bram stoker's dracula, the right. The original story is in public domain yeah, it's got to be be.
Speaker 1:So it's clear, you can go make your Dracula movie Stoker family can't sue us now. That's why Eggers is like I'm making Nosferatu, come at me.
Speaker 2:Which looks pretty good.
Speaker 1:And even like who was it that made the named Fritz? The guy that made Megalopolis?
Speaker 2:is the same guy, right, he made.
Speaker 1:Nosferatu. Guess what that's over a hundred years old buddy we did it.
Speaker 2:We outlived them, cory. That's all it took.
Speaker 1:That's all we got to do so um but yeah, my question for you, which I already knew the answer your favorite vampire movie which is also the first vampire movie I ever saw, nick okay, which I saw it in pieces, um. So my sister is seven years older than me yeah so we were never children at the same time.
Speaker 1:We were never in the same like era of being a child at the same time got it so when I'm a right, she would have her friends come over and do sleepovers and they would watch horror movies, because that's what you did in the 90s.
Speaker 2:You went to a friend's house. You didn't stream it together on the internet. We?
Speaker 1:didn't have Blockbuster and Durant until I was like in high school we had like I'm so sorry, what did you have Free business, also rented videos. Okay, yeah, like your grocery store also rented movies, or your tanning salon also. Yeah, yeah, the tanning salon.
Speaker 2:We had that. We had a Sub sandwiches.
Speaker 1:The grocery store had a rental space.
Speaker 2:So we did get Blockbuster at Arbor pretty early in the 90s. That was a staple.
Speaker 1:I was like it was like 2000s by the time. We got one man. We were there at the end, so they would rent movies and I remember it was the cliche you can't watch it, you're too little yeah yeah. So I snuck down the hallway and kind of just poked my head out and watched all of Lost Boys just in a very uncomfortable position. And so which you know it didn't really bug me as a kid, because my grandma made me watch horror movies.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say because you don't feel it in the morning when your body's twisted, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, and like that's the first vampire movie I ever saw not horror movie I ever saw Okay, but and so, and it's remained my favorite. Nothing's topped it, and it has nothing to do with nostalgia, it has everything to do with that. I like the 80s. It's the most 80s vampire movie Okay.
Speaker 2:So in it. Oh my god, you've got both cory's are in it, you know alex winter's in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just great.
Speaker 2:It's kind of made for you like it really is when you really think about the scope of everything we've talked about on this podcast and just your movie taste in general.
Speaker 1:Your love of the 80s, like cory, was just it was, it was fate you know, people ask me sometimes like I'm an eccentric dresser and they'll be like where does your style come from? And it's usually like the rolling stones and the lost boys and the Lost Boys and they're like what Keith Richards and the Lost Boys.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not Peter Pan, Keith or Sullivan's.
Speaker 1:Lost Boys? Yeah, no, for sure so. But yeah, that's my first one, okay, okay okay, Would you say so it's your favorite? Oh, yeah, by far.
Speaker 2:Now and this is always a question that comes up sometimes is like you consider it the best vampire movie that's a good question because I think I think it's easy to say these are my favorites, but to like objectively, go like.
Speaker 1:I think that's the best one I mean, I guess it depends on, like the criteria you put on a vampire movie because the lost boys is not traditional in any sense of the word. No, it goes, but it benefits in that way the fact that you I mean it is interesting that you said peter pan, because the lost boys literally comes from. They're talking, they're referencing p Pan.
Speaker 2:You never grow old.
Speaker 1:I think the movie actually started out as it was going to be a weird take on Peter Pan, but then they just dropped it and made him vampires.
Speaker 2:It was a weird thing. I'm trying to decide if that would have been better, cooler, no, you like it being its own kind of thing. But that's totally something you could do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, it's not a traditional like. If you're talking about like what's the best in my opinion, like vampire movie, we're staying within like maybe the victorian gothic lore of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say night like bram stoker's 92 dracula okay the france ford coppola it that one finally watching that one, it's, it's clear like he's just trying to make like an old school vampire movie yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's all over the place and like the set design is nuts. Yeah, it's wild which is great.
Speaker 2:Like watching the thing about 90s movies we talked about this with like adam's family and other movies of that time. Like you're the batman 89. When a set is designed like, even even for as like weird and expressionistic or whatever german expressionism, whatever the vibe was that they were all going for, like you get to like. It's almost like getting to go into a theme park in a good way, like you're you're fully immersed in it, like nowadays.
Speaker 2:We kind of have this problem of like I know that's a green screen, I know that that background isn't real yeah and with that you're like no, I know that, I know it's a fake background, that's, I know it's a set but it's tangible, I can touch it.
Speaker 1:It's a match and I could. Someone spent hours upon hours and I could fill in the blanks of this world but, just with that information. Not for sure. I would say that's the best traditional vampire movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, because I mean I've seen the original Dracula. It's hard, I like it, it's a good one. It's just the time that has passed by it's obviously much. It's almost 100 years old now, so it's hard to watch. With a modern context to it, I like it more than Nosferatu yeah, nosferatu's so it's hard to, it's just goofy yeah but there's a lot of cool visuals with that as well.
Speaker 2:You know they definitely were playing, I mean, the iconic stare sequence with the shadow. Obviously you're gonna like, and that's the same actor that played the man who laughs right, yeah, okay, conrad v, who was? Also in the uh dr caligari sleeper yeah that's.
Speaker 1:That's a creepy movie, so I love that movie. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2:So, cory, uh, do you want want me to give you the internet's top 10 alleged top 10 vampire movies?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. So this is from Rankercom. A lot of people can go on there. You can vote, you can upvote, you can downvote. It's an ever-changing list. You may not like this list, corey. You just describing it pisses me off. Yeah, I'm going to start with 12, because I think that'll soften the blow a bit. So, number 12, you got the Stephen King adaptation of Salem's Lot. Hey, that's solid. From what year was that? 1970s? It was in the 70s, 1979, from Tobey Hooper, you got 11, the original Dracula of Bela Lugosi At 10, nosferatu jumps above it. Matt Schreck Is Matt Schreck, who plays Count Orlok in that. That's who we were talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Max Shrek. Okay, Max Shrek. Oh, so yeah, it's not Conrad Veet. Conrad Veet is the man who laughs.
Speaker 2:Max Shrek is Nosferatu. Okay, got it, got it. I'm glad we figured that out now so that people wouldn't yell at us online.
Speaker 1:Oh, people who know that aren't listening to us, that's true Number nine we got.
Speaker 2:this is where it's clear. This is like a modern internet list. Van Helsing is at number eight. That's just trolls, number seven is Blade II, blade II, blade II. Number six is Fright Night. Oh, blade II's. Good Wait, which one? 85.
Speaker 1:Okay, hey, the Colin Farrell one's solid.
Speaker 2:Is it solid? Yeah, okay, the John Yelchin, colin Farrell, one's solid Dracula okay number four. Okay, this is where you're gonna get underworlds. At number four. Number three is blade, the original, number two is interview with a vampire and number one the Lost Boys thank god, I got that right I was like you'll be mad for most of it, but you'll be pleased at the end all right, I asked chat GPT okay, that's fair. We asked the humans.
Speaker 1:Let's ask the computer, let's ask AI. Hold on, what was your criteria? Here's a list of top 10 fan movies that have had a significant impact on the genre.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's how I decided to do it.
Speaker 1:Only Lovers Left Alive. That's a 2013 movie.
Speaker 2:That's got Loki himself in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Tilda.
Speaker 2:Swinton.
Speaker 1:I thought it was an interesting one Number nine, the Iranian film A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a really cool one.
Speaker 1:Eight what we Do in the Shadows. Yes, seven, 30 Days of Night, perfect.
Speaker 2:Six, let the Right One In. Wow, but that one's just now coming up on this podcast. That was a big one, that was.
Speaker 1:Five is Blade, four, interview Three, the Lost Boys, and then obviously they put two Dracula, chat, gbt put the, the copy, the remake, or the yeah, the copy, copy. That's wild, yeah they said screw you, stoker, do you? The germans did it better well, you know, there's is.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's germany or what country it is, but somebody took the book dracula and in their process of translating it, they just said screw it.
Speaker 1:And rewrote the book and made it better apparently oh yeah, I've heard this story and I don't, I don't know that's, that's I? I doubt it because I read dracula like every two years and it's such a good book yeah, I've never I haven't got to sit down to read it.
Speaker 2:I mean it's a it's a chore but it's really good, it's a great move.
Speaker 1:It's a chore, I mean like it's reading and so, like you're, just it's a chore but like it's lengthy. But it's a brilliant book in that people don't understand that the whole thing's written like a found footage movie. Yeah, it's all written in correspondence. Every chapter is either a letter to someone or a file. It's almost like the book's like. You found all these documents and put a story together.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah. And what's crazy is that book came out in 1897, and it's like 127 years old. Now that's pretty nuts. 127 years is a long time, but the fact that we've had vampire lore and stuff way before that and the fact that that's the staple vampire and it's relatively recent in the scope of time and history.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting too that we look at vampires and obviously they're always going to be relevant in pop culture. We kind of made fun of Twilight and all this stuff, but vampires are always going to be around, they're always going to be part, they're always gonna be part of storytelling. Um, as a, as a, as a, as a character or whatever, but, like bram stoker gets all this credit for creating dracula, which he based off vladimir tepe's like some turkish emperor that just like to impale people um, this is not that vlad the impaler.
Speaker 2:well, it's vlad it, yeah, but I think his name's like Vladimir Tepes or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like to impale people it really grows.
Speaker 2:I was really into it. Well, it's more of like a. It was an intimidation thing, right?
Speaker 1:It was like it was intimidation slash torture. Like yeah if you come up to his crib, take a giant stake and you just kind of impale someone on the top of it and leave them there.
Speaker 2:They slowly go down it sure, so they take forever to die. Oh god, it's just kind of ripping like a different kind of crucifix situation.
Speaker 1:That was kind of his big thing and so um, kind of a weird kink, but you know so, bram sucker does that, but he's credited for creating like kind of the modern vampire right the lore or like the lore, the rules yeah and all that stuff. But he also doesn't get enough credit that there's a reason that we're also obsessed with vampire hunters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he creates Van Helsing in the same book. There was no spinoff. He was just like I make the vampire and I make the guy who's chasing him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's interesting that we always have vampire hunters in these things or in these stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like in and Alan Brock Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's all based off Van Helsing, so like he gets all the credit for.
Speaker 2:Dracula, castlevania, also a video game world. We don't give him enough credit for Van Helsing. Yeah, that's true. That is a really good point to make, like, not only did you create the most iconic vampire, but you also created the most iconic vampire hunter but really been built out of that like there's other. There's anime there's video games. Like you know, the the castlevania series about a family that their job is to just keep dracula.
Speaker 1:Tell me a famous werewolf hunter?
Speaker 2:there's no, you can't exactly yeah, bullcrap, yeah, famous mummy hunter none other than brendan but we don't know his character's right, no, no we like off the top of our head.
Speaker 1:We have to google it so, um, but uh, so, yeah, no, um, I, it's wild. Vampires have been a part of cinema since the beginning like not brought to, is a silent film.
Speaker 2:Well, it's definitely like the conversation about immortality and death and and the you know the macabre and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's tapping into that there's a sexuality to vampires as well yeah, the allurement of it all there's a 90s movie, I think it's got christopher walken in it and, uh, lily tay, I think, is her name. And it's literally like this black and white film. I think it's called Addiction, but it's literally a movie about addiction, but told through vampires and like their addiction to blood like they're junkies. It's like almost a very erotic kind of sad movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you've got like the classical universal monsters. We talked a little bit about our current state of horror movies and vampires, but even like the 70s and stuff, you've got christopher lee's hammer movies where he plays dracula and was that? That was actually 58, wasn't it? Yeah, 1958 for a while, though, but yeah because people have to talk about like your favorite dracula.
Speaker 2:You got billy go see and, uh, christopher lee's brought up a lot. I don't really know. Beyond those two there's that. There's like an iconic I mean gary oldman's dracula and brad stoker's brought up a lot in modern conversations. Can you think of any others?
Speaker 1:not really not the top of my head. Um, you know I'm thinking who played him in dracula 2000 so the first google link gives you here's here's 10 people.
Speaker 2:You got bella lugosi, christopher lee, john carradine in House of Dracula in 1945.
Speaker 1:That'd be weird.
Speaker 2:Gary Oldman, Udo Kier in Blood for Dracula 74, Klaus Kinski in Nosferatu the Vampire.
Speaker 1:Udo Kier just looks like a vampire that tracks Trying to see what else we got.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of old school European IT captain in Dracula in Istanbul. I'm trying to just see anyone Leslie Nielsen is listed on here and Dracula Dead and Loving it.
Speaker 1:Dracula, dead and Loving. It is pretty funny.
Speaker 2:It's kind of underrated as one of Mel Brooks' spoof movies, the fact that vampires have been spoofed so much and still have survived to this day and reinvented themselves. Because you get like certain genres will just get destroyed and murdered. And then you're like, well, it's not funny anymore, we can't do, we can't make a normal movie anymore. Like that's kind of the problem most james bond had. For a minute they had to go super serious because daniel craig was like I hate austin powers because I can't make jokes, because he made that version of james bond almost obsolete for a while well, you know.
Speaker 1:What bram stoker did, though, is he essentially creates this very simple idea, and that's the beauty of simplicity. He says I mean essentially says what if you could be superman? What if you could fly? What if you were super strong? What if you had like I mean, like you just had all of the power? Your only thing is is can't come out the day and you have to kill people. Yeah, would you make that trade?
Speaker 1:it's like most people are like drinking blood's kind of turning me off, but it's a simple fact. Like you said, it's like it's the cost of immortality. And it's like but the line is so fine where you have people go like I don't know, that's a solid trade.
Speaker 2:You're like immortality, not dying, yeah, Especially depending on like your you know, your belief in the afterlife and stuff and what happens. Obviously, because the way it's portrayed it's often tied very much to Christianity of vampire. You're essentially damned, yeah, and like you'll go to hell if you ever actually do, you know, die, and so for them it's a lot of being seen as like this outcast of society and being treated as like this condemned being, but at the same time, like you said, basically you get to live forever as long as you don't go out in the daytime.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think that that's was like given the circumstances, would you accept immortality, knowing you have to kill people to do it, or like you have to find a way to like feed off of people, or that you're gonna watch everyone you love die? You know, there's other versions of that story outside of vampire lore, but like this is the, obviously like the. When people think of like immortality and stuff, vampires come up first on the bat yeah jack parlance palance played dracula 1974. Did I say that?
Speaker 1:no, that's a weird's a weird one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, trying to just even look through this as we're talking. Carlos Villarez in Dracula 31. Huh, interesting, while they were making, there was a Latin spin on it after hours.
Speaker 1:Oh, my wife told me about this recently.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, she was telling me that apparently yes, mexico made their own version of Dracula and apparently in Mexico it's it was shot on the same set after the American version shut down for the night. It's revered in Mexico like apparently it's not like a bullcrap, like they didn't try it like apparently like Jube wants to watch it because she's like I'm interested like she said it's.
Speaker 1:It's just incredible. She was like listen to some podcast and some Hispanic actor was on there and he was talking about it and he's just like oh yeah, people don't know that there's a Mexican version of Dracula that's filmed at the same time and it's really well done. A lot of people think better.
Speaker 2:Frank Langella played Dracula in 79 in. I Love New York commercials. Bad Skeletor. I'm going to say it. It's a bad Skeletor, I don't care. They're like, oh no, he brought Gravita Skeletor and put him in weird makeup He-Man. You give him a skull and you make him terrifying with a goofy voice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hopefully they get that right this next time around. Oh, they're never making this He-Man movie. They've been making this He-Man movie for 20 years.
Speaker 2:It could be so good, corey, if they would just get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they never get it. They're not going to get it. I kind of wrote down some that I love and we've mentioned most of these. I'll say this is I Am Legend, a vampire movie. Do we ever determine if those are vampires? They don't come out in day.
Speaker 2:That's the big thing Right, they don't come out in day. Zombies don't really have that problem, I think. I mean, the book is a vampire story. He's the vampire, he's the other, he's the Van.
Speaker 1:Helsing.
Speaker 2:That's the whole riff on the title is that he's become the monster to the vampires. But in that story they're very much vampires they can think, they can talk.
Speaker 1:In the movie. In this one they're like mindless. Yeah, they made them kind of zombies, which?
Speaker 2:is kind of stupid. They're making a sequel to I Am Legend based off of the alternate ending of the movie that didn't come out eaters, so that will. Smith can live. Basically sorry, spoilers from 20 years ago yeah, sorry, will, smith doesn't make it.
Speaker 1:Um, uh, what's another one we haven't brought up yet? We haven't dove really deep into interview the vampire.
Speaker 2:I think that that one, though, if you're talking about like legitimizing vampires a bit like I feel like, at least for me, that did to an extent because it was it was a period piece very much, so it had all these a-list actors and stuff. It was one that was on tv a lot too, and I remember it was very much a thing of like the mtv crowd of that time period yeah in the mid 90s.
Speaker 2:But like we were talking about brad pitt earlier and it like put him not only on the map along with all his other 90s run movies, but it also was the first time, I think, I watched a movie where you saw somebody having to deal with the choice they made to become a vampire. He, his, his character, lewis, was always just constantly like trying not to kill people at first, yeah, until a stat played by tom cruise is like dude, you just gotta do it like one of the few tom cruise he'll excellently played.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh you're like why are you playing heroes?
Speaker 2:I just want to be a bad guy. He's so good at being a bad guy no um one of the absolute best performances um but but I do think that one, that one is like I don't want to put it on that mantle, but it feels godfather-esque in a sense a longer tale over a period of time, multiple generations. You're and you're seeing like the ramifications of rapids characters.
Speaker 1:Now, I haven't seen the new show, but here's what I say, what I like about interview the vampire yeah I was unaware that ann rice wrote like 20 sequels yeah, like I mean.
Speaker 2:Mean there's like a whole.
Speaker 1:They call it Vampire Chronicles. Like apparently Lestat becomes a rock star.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's Queen of the Damned, yeah, yeah, and all sorts of weird stuff, you know.
Speaker 1:So I'm like happy that they did interview the vampire and then let it die. I mean, queen of the Damned eventually came, but like I like that they didn't go all right let's.
Speaker 2:And yeah, queen of damn, like you said it's, it's just a weird movie because it's it lives in the new metal world. You know it's jonathan davis of corn is the voice yeah, leah's in it it's a weird thing.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting. You don't love it.
Speaker 2:I haven't watched it in like years and I don't feel like it's gonna hold up that well, other than other than the soundtrack, which I still thought was a pretty great soundtrack so, but yeah, I but I like I bought all these hand rise books.
Speaker 1:I haven't just sat down and read them, though, but I read a lot of the synopsis and I'm like, oh, this gets weird. Okay, alright, I'm in. Now we brought up From Dussel Dawn. I think From Dussel Dawn is ridiculously incredible movie considering, it's just bonkers Right, it's just.
Speaker 1:you don't even know it's a vampire movie until that's the best part is that if someone has gotten through life not ever hearing it from nestle don, you can say, hey, I'm gonna put on this like kind of like neo-western kind of wrote it a little bit like I'm gonna put on this neo-western kind of thriller, yeah, and then when the vampires show up, they're gonna be like what the hell is going on because it's this excellently written two guys on the run from the law.
Speaker 1:They've robbed banks, shot some cops. They're trying to get to mexico.
Speaker 2:It goes for like an hour at least, and you have. There's no signifier, no clue, nothing nothing about like missing people outside.
Speaker 1:You know they just go. We're meeting at a strip club called the titty twister in like mexico and like right, then the movie all of a sudden changes it, does it like goes from 89 batman to batman and robin in tone real fast. It's like the building looks like it shouldn't exist. It's like beetlejuice outside of the whorehouse in the miniature, it's like what's happening.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, why is this?
Speaker 1:here and so, and then, yeah, all the strippers are vampires, which is just insanely fun.
Speaker 2:Um, but also it made, uh, george clooney a massive star it did, and I'm and we kind of never got that george clooney again like he always played the smart, suave criminal, obviously in Ocean's Eleven, but it was different.
Speaker 1:His.
Speaker 2:Gecko brothers. He was very much willing to do the wrong thing to get by. He was a gray character, much more so. Danny Ocean's a lot more like I have rules.
Speaker 1:It's just wild that it's this guy who's like I'm leaving this TV show ER. I want to break into films, I don't want to be a TV actor and no one's going to take him seriously because he's the dude from ER Right and I'm like Robert Rodriguez? Is that who directed it? Robert Rodriguez directed it Because his band's, the band that plays Tito and. Tarantula and that's such a good song. But then it's just wild because like george clooney plays that movie like it's like it's hamlet yeah, he is, oh, 100, he is sold.
Speaker 2:Every monologue is real.
Speaker 1:And then all of a sudden. That's what makes him a star and I love it. Um the last movie I want to bring up. I mean, we've talked about blade, but blade it's, it's. Let's not even go into detail. It's a sad news right now marvel universe that they can't.
Speaker 2:It's sad, but the deadpool is turning into a prophet, more than a yeah than a jokester so um.
Speaker 1:Have you ever seen John Carpenter's vampires?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think I have it's Nick.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's a good movie or a bad movie. I've watched it at least five times no, I've seen.
Speaker 2:I was thinking of the fog. I've seen the fog, but I haven't seen vampires yet it's just a weird movie that John Carpenter made.
Speaker 1:It's based off a book I guess that someone wrote, but it's just literally about vampire hunters.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And uh, but it's James Woods the hero. It makes no damn sense, cause he's terrible at being a hero.
Speaker 2:He's, yeah, he's, he's, he's Hades.
Speaker 1:And like the. He plays the vampire. He does a really good job at it, but it's just the writing of James Wood's characters. It's just the most toxic, masculine bullcrap.
Speaker 2:Every horrible trope of a hero from that era crammed into this.
Speaker 1:He hits women.
Speaker 2:It's just the worst type of thing.
Speaker 1:He has no character arc at all, but it's wildly an entertaining movie. They'll go in to the nest they call them, and then they just shoot crossbows into their hearts that are hooked to a Jeep outside, that just reels them out and they explode in the sun and I was like this is just a. Really they have a system.
Speaker 2:It's a system. They got a whole process for this situation. One of the Baldwin brothers is in it, okay.
Speaker 1:One of the third tier, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Corey, have you ever seen the movie Life Force?
Speaker 1:No, corey have you ever seen the movie Life Force? No, by Toby.
Speaker 2:Hooper. This is a 85 science fiction Horror film I'm already in. It's Toby Hooper and it's the book Was called Space Vampires. Would have been On my Kindle would have been. A much better title for this movie. Sometimes you need Life Force is so broad.
Speaker 1:Back in the day they were like you can't have Space Vampires, but it's 80s, it's 86, it's with a different movie, it's 86.
Speaker 2:It's perfect for a movie called or 85.
Speaker 1:It's perfect for because you're at the height of B movies. No one's gonna take it seriously for space vampires.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess, so I mean.
Speaker 1:Toby Hooper just came off of. They didn't call it sunset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like you know, I feel like, if you had, if there was ever a moment for a director to be like. I'm making a movie, it's called space vampires and there's nothing, and people are gonna come watch it because I made it that's the moment it was like can we call it something different?
Speaker 1:my life force, he's like space vampire that's it.
Speaker 2:That feels like. That feels like such a like disney thing, like let's call it tangled instead of rapunzel, like that'll that'll bring in the boys it's a little stupid, like it's a wild movie. I, if you, if you're interested, if you're a big vampire, people, people, uh, check that one out. It's pretty, pretty insane in ways because it has such a cool concept. But I do feel like you walk in going like I don't know what this movie is.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure what to expect out of it yeah, yeah so, uh, before before I get to the second topic I'm going to talk about real quick cory. I'm going to give you four movies that I kind of have been on my radar, that I kind of want to watch, that are vampire based we talked about fright night yeah near dark is a catherine bigelow movie.
Speaker 1:I've heard great things about it. It's pretty.
Speaker 2:It's pretty fun yeah, once bitten the jim carrey movie, great movie, and then I keep seeing it brought up as well as the hunger have never seen the Hunger. Yeah, the Hunger movie. If I will quickly do some half, it's from 1983. It keeps being brought up on the list.
Speaker 1:I know it's going to be good.
Speaker 2:Tony Scott's directorial debut.
Speaker 1:David Bowie's in it. Susan.
Speaker 2:Sarandon what's not to like here? But let's talk about how movies. We've talked a little bit about how vampires have evolved a tad bit, but let's talk about twilight. I've never seen them.
Speaker 1:Have you ever watched them? I've never seen them. I read the first book with the height of it was going on and I was like I'm going to check into this. It's one of the most poorly written things I've ever read, Cause it's a.
Speaker 2:it's badly written it's badly written Cause it's a.
Speaker 1:I mean like I'm not, I don't want to knock anyone that likes it and enjoys it and stuff like that but I mean like I read the Hunger Games, which is also young adult, and those are well written, sure, you know, and it's like, but like Twilight's, just it was just poorly written that's fair and like I, you know it wasn't. I like the idea, I guess, and it's interesting, you know, like it's just, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just never. It was at a time where I, you know, I didn't go on a date to watch it or anything. The underworlds had come and gone at that time, and then it popped up and you know.
Speaker 1:Was there a vacuum that needed to be filled? I guess there was some vacuum.
Speaker 2:Harry Potter had wrapped up, they needed something new to sell. I mean, look at David Bowie in this Hunger photo. Like, look, how good he looks in this. Like he looks how cool he looks. Yeah, it looks. Just I felt it needed to be commented on. You know you have that. You have, like the True Blood TV series, a lot of Vampire Diaries type stuff comes out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a time where, like it became a young adult thing, it kind of just became like teenagers, and mainly teenage girls, are all about vampires right now, because we're going to get hot guys and girls, make them vampires and just make some kind of nighttime drama type stuff.
Speaker 1:But I mean, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer existed as a TV show, a wildly popular TV show that I have never seen one episode of.
Speaker 2:I've seen several episodes, but I've seen the Christy Swanson movie. Yeah, like 90 like 100 times it is amazing add that to my list. Yeah, that movie's incredible so but yeah, I just it's interesting to see how I think that happened and there and it got spoofed. Obviously the the twilights of the world, but I feel like now we're in this kind of revamp of it. You know we talked about eggers nosferatu coming out.
Speaker 1:There's been some others that just the Michael B Jordan movie that's coming out supposedly is about vampires. That's right.
Speaker 2:Apparently, christopher Nolan is going to make a vampire movie in the 20s.
Speaker 1:Man see, that's badass.
Speaker 2:So I think we're right on the cusp Corey of some good.
Speaker 1:Okay, the 70s seems like an untapped market for a little bit you know we we never like.
Speaker 2:Who's ever seen vampires and bell bottoms? So you're wanting like I want days and confused, but with vampires you know, so is that lost boys within vampires, or they're?
Speaker 1:80s, like they're wearing, like cool stuff, like I mean I just want the 70s man, just that whole vibe, some chops, you know, and yeah I'm trying to think of okay, let's look at.
Speaker 2:Let's look at some list of some 1970s vampire movies you've got gonna be kind of gothic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like it's all like dracula there's an osferatu remake.
Speaker 2:Lust for the vampire. Uh, vamp, vampros, lesbos, it's okay blackula, yeah, black.
Speaker 1:But again I take on the victorian right. Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's everything I'm looking at.
Speaker 1:It's very much setting it, or a vampire movie set in the 50s, like a quote-unquote modern time of the 70s.
Speaker 2:Not, we made a movie in the 70s, but it's a period piece.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I don't want a 70s movie I want a movie set in the 70s with vampires, but also give me like Leave it to Beaver, but Vampires.
Speaker 2:Yeah, vampires no, but that's more like it's in its own gothic kind of world. It's not just vampires, it's not like hey, these people are living a normal life and they also happen to eat their neighbors or something.
Speaker 1:They're just hey, we're the Addams Family. Yeah right, actually I don't know which one came first. I probably shouldn't knock on Munsters, but I'm assuming the Addams Family came first?
Speaker 2:Which came first? Addams, family or Munsters? This has September 18th 1964. Munsters aired on September 24th 1964. There's a week, corey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, suck it, munsters, but Adam's family would have come from pre-existing content, from Charles Adams, that's just crazy that they came out literally the same year, the same month. That sounds like a bidding war that got lost. The other one said well, we're just creating our own, we need some history.
Speaker 2:Here, munsters included analogs to universal monsters. Herman was a version of frankenstein's monster. Yada yada yada. The original pitch was more what the adam's family became, produced by the creators of leave it to beaver but yeah, that's, I'm gonna do a crossover episode.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I don't, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I need the beef but competition from throwing his frisbee into the monster's yard. But batman, batman led to him. The monsters being canceled, apparently. Competition, yeah well.
Speaker 1:Adam West is a badass.
Speaker 2:There it is.
Speaker 1:We're in color.
Speaker 2:Take that.
Speaker 1:All right, all right. So, yeah, no, we're in a resurgence. Yeah, we're coming out of that kind of young adult which was honestly like in a lot of ways I think, the Twilight, the Buffy show, vampire Diaries. It kind of goes back to the 50s kind of trend of like I was a teenage werewolf.
Speaker 2:I was a teenage zombie.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, let's take this thing, set it in high school and kids will go watch it and make out to it.
Speaker 2:I'm also trying to look up kids vampires because I'm really trying to dig at okay, do I?
Speaker 1:remember the little vampire Jake Lipnicki.
Speaker 2:Lipnicki's in there. I'm trying to just see if there's any 24 best vampire movies for kids to watch.
Speaker 1:They have Dracula listed on here, the original. I don't know why they could handle it.
Speaker 2:Monster Squad technically had Dracula in it. That's true. They listed Nightmare Before Christmas. I guess there's vampires in it. Mom's Got a Date with a Vampire. Some Disney movies Halloween Town they're listing.
Speaker 1:Do they mom's got a date with a vampire? Some disney movies, halloween town they're listing, but these do they have vampires in this hot take? I?
Speaker 2:don't like the halloween town movies. I've never precious to, I've never watched them, but I'm like there's only like a few of those disney channel movies that I'm like oh, there's a mummy one called under wraps, yeah, that was a fun one.
Speaker 1:Not the original or not the remake that they have now. Okay, I want them to bring back the original, put on disney. What's the point of Disney Plus if I can't have all the stuff?
Speaker 2:It's in the vault core. You have to go get it from the vault. The vault should be done. The vault is done technically. I'm paying you so much money a month yeah.
Speaker 1:Give me under wraps from the 90s, I just want it.
Speaker 2:Give it to me now.
Speaker 1:Put it on my.
Speaker 2:TV. So basically your options are Hotel Transylvania. That's pretty much it. So not a lot of kids, but then again that makes sense because parents are terrified of the occult, so there you go.
Speaker 1:No, everything's bad, everything's wrong. Well, nick, you ready to?
Speaker 2:do this. It's time to do the thing you said you'd never do.
Speaker 1:I said I'd never do it and I'm not doing it in the traditional sense no, you're not, no, I'm not I still wouldn't participate in such a thing. But I'm saying let's recast the lost boys. Okay, but just, I give you a cast list, you give me a cast list and we're like, we're fine, and we don't. We don't like put our quantum recast seal on it okay, it's definitive.
Speaker 2:Sure we don't have a third ash alley and cast are not here to make to choose between our picks.
Speaker 1:Really, you would probably have to sit in the director's chair. Oh, I would throw punches, I'd be furious, corey would just give us a list.
Speaker 2:These are the actors you could choose from.
Speaker 1:Yes, and if you deviate from this I'll walk off. But I think I gave you some parameters. I said, hey, I'm going to do a modern version, if we made the Lost Boys within the last five years and you were going to do yours in the 90s, right? But I gave you the criteria that the movie you can. Nothing's sacred anymore. I may live to see a remake of the Lost Boys one day, which would?
Speaker 1:absolutely be. Just get under my skin right away. But if it's not set in the 80s, it's not the Lost Boys.
Speaker 2:So our movies are still set in the 80s. Talk to me about the significance of the 80s.
Speaker 1:With lost has to be. Yeah, it's just it's it's an 80s movie and it's just it's got so much 80s stuff to it.
Speaker 2:The aesthetic of that movie is kind of what is one of the many pillars I guess you're saying.
Speaker 1:That makes it any other arrow where it's common for teenagers to ride their dirt bags on beaches, karate, kid and you know the lost boys when you did this stuff.
Speaker 2:You don't do it any other time. No, the kids don't go out anymore, sadly.
Speaker 1:You couldn't wear the jacket Marco's wearing around in any other year than 1987. Anytime after that you're going to shoot somebody up, someone's just mad.
Speaker 2:Anytime before. I don't even know Everybody's just like. Why are you wearing that?
Speaker 1:It's got to be the big hair, it's got to be a dude in purple were cool, but then Columbine hit and it was done.
Speaker 2:No one can wear trench coats for a really long time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think it just has to be 80s. The soundtrack is 80s, the look's 80s. I mean, like the Max character is wearing shoulder pad jacket. It's very odd they're working in a video rental.
Speaker 2:I'm just even trying to honestly think of where you could move that aesthetic to outside of the 80s, like the 90s is close, like you're saying, like a modern one. They would just make it with the 80s, set in the 80s, basically. But I'm even just trying to think like where could you move that to in any other period of time? And there's just it's permanently, you know, spray painted into that spot it is.
Speaker 1:If you remove that aesthetic, it's just a different movie.
Speaker 2:You, if you remove that aesthetic, it's just a different movie, you know, it's just it's part, because it's part biker, it's part gothic, it's part.
Speaker 1:You know, beach kid it's, it's, it's all over the place and also it's like, it's the idea of like kind of like the 80s, like latchkey kids you know like the fact that there's just these teenagers running around the pier doing whatever they want, like that's the 80s, it's just like that's. Like that's. That's ronald reagan saying the world's gone to hell. Our teenagers are out of control yeah it's just like that's what you have to do if you take this movie and you'd like say, hey, we're gonna make the Lost Boys in the 50s.
Speaker 2:They're greasers and it's just ridiculous and it's just, you know it, that's close, but yeah, it's not quite the same vibe it's. It's trying to do rebel without a cause, but with vampires here's.
Speaker 1:Here's. Here's a remake of the Lost Boys I'd get on board with. Okay, and I think it's got it if you, if you're gonna, the only way it's gonna work is if it's outside of the 80s. Yeah, though, I think this still works in the 80s, but you could take it essentially anywhere, because, um, we suck as people. But, like if you took, like if you let, uh, who's the monkey paw guy? I can't think of right now.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, jordan, jordan, jordan peel. Yeah, jordan peel, if you let him, which he made a lot of homages to lost boys in Us. Okay, you know, they said it on the Santa Cruz.
Speaker 1:Pier and all this stuff. And so if you let Jordan Pier or Jordan Peele make a movie but like, the four main vampires are all black kids, you know, and the main vampire is a black kid or a black man, you know, stuff like that and you create that kind of racial tension where it's like people keep a distance from them because they're the black kids running around, you know, like santa cruz california and stuff like that I mean, I think that you could do that and it'd be a really interesting movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could kind of tackle race issues and kind of like that whole aesthetic it gives it like a new layer white privilege, black fear type thing that jordan peele could do really well, or I mean you could nyakosta any like black filmmaker yeah, her version of candy man was just phenomenal, you know, but I think that could work in a world because you're going away from kind of that latchkey like a bunch of white lost kids to like.
Speaker 1:But like the black kids that, like you know, your parents, without trying to be racist, say like well, don't go near them. Like maybe don't play with those kids.
Speaker 2:It's the same era that you know the likes of NWA grew up in. You know, do the right thing, a type of world where you were in your neighborhood and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So I mean like you would still keep Michael and Sam White you know, and stuff like that. But like you would be like really tackling that. And honestly, you know, just like this un-irrational Blackfear type of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah, I could see that. I mean he's making his vampire movie, so and it's coming out soon. I thought you had. I was like, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, put him in, let him run with it.
Speaker 1:No, Um same thing. But uh, uh, no, but yeah I, I made a, I made a modern cast of this.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, um, and I made a nineties cast late, late nineties is where I aimed.
Speaker 1:Okay. Now I think I'm going to cast more people than you, okay and then the Frog Brothers Okay, I also casted Grandpa Max and Mom.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool, so give me your Grandpa Max and Mom.
Speaker 1:Okay, so for this modern version though. I don't want just a typical old man.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of going with more of a grandpa that you think might get his hands dirty, okay, okay, I want William Finchner as my grandpa.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, you know. Yeah, yeah, he's out there, you know and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So I just kind of like the idea of him playing a grandfather.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to these guys and then like get him a beard maybe, or some scruff A beard.
Speaker 1:I want him to look scruffy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and stuff like that, but like the end when he comes in.
Speaker 2:I think if you have, a younger guy whole time.
Speaker 1:You're kind of like I bet that guy's killed some vampires.
Speaker 2:This guy's seen some stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's seen some stuff. Then you get the prequel.
Speaker 2:We're in.
Speaker 1:With Grandpa Max. Listen, I had to go this route. It's going to be Idris Elba.
Speaker 2:You know who could play a younger version of William Fichtner?
Speaker 1:Jeremy Allen White.
Speaker 2:Is that the guy from the Bear? Yeah, yeah, that's who it is.
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm with you, okay all right, I'm on the same page, but Max I have as Idris Elba, because Idris Elba could 100% be a vampire and I believe it right now. Okay, but he's also charming. So when he's dating your mom, you're like charming and he's great as a vampire. You're like man, he looks good. Mom, Helena Bonham Carter.
Speaker 2:Okay, obviously she's just creepy. Sure Works out.
Speaker 1:Plays well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Who do you have left? Is that it? That's the only extra I did.
Speaker 2:Well, the final of the lightning round, I guess the specialty the Frog Brothers Give me your Frog Brothers.
Speaker 1:Okay Now, this is one of the Corory's movie.
Speaker 2:it's an unofficial cory's movie. Okay, because they're not paired together.
Speaker 1:They're not chippendaling where they met, but then they would make license to drive. Got it, got it, okay, okay like right after.
Speaker 2:So um my alan frog, who is cory feldman I'm bringing you gatton matarazzo from stranger from stranger things.
Speaker 1:The goofy kid from stranger things okay, okay, to me it works, because me it works. And then for Edgar, who's the more serious?
Speaker 2:of the Frog Brothers.
Speaker 1:I'm bringing you Jack Dylan Grazer. Most people know him. He's one of the child actors from it.
Speaker 2:Chapter 1. And I think he was in the Shazam movies. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That's correct. That's correct.
Speaker 1:So I'm bringing you those two as a pairing. Obviously, jack Dylan and Graves are going to be the more serious one, gatton being the more Cordy.
Speaker 2:Feldman, feldman-ing it up a bit.
Speaker 1:The beauty about the Frog Brothers is that they're sold out to the idea that there's vampires in their town and that they know how to murder them, and then you find out that they've never done it. They're a little shot to the right and I'm just like I like these two kids in this role you know, and so I think it'd be a lot of fun I like that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm I'm doing a wild america reunion for my frog brothers thank god for alan. I'm giving you devin sawa I love it because he's still a teenager at this point. And then for edgar it's jonathan taylor, thomas I'm, I'm down so put them in, let them be like yeah, we know how to do it, we're gonna do it everybody's like this guy was in final destination. I believe it like, and you're like, wait a minute and then it turns out they're just absolutely winging it right when his final destination oh it's a 2000 okay, so I'm ahead of my time.
Speaker 1:Sorry, cas, excuse me yeah, no, he hasn't done it yet. Not yet he's been casper, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's been casper yeah, have we talked about this on on this podcast, yet our beef with casper um that, that he's like an eight-year-old, the whole movie and then turns into devin sawers, into a fully grown hit puberty like teenager.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we can kiss christina richie he makes out with what we just perceived he was he's the friendly ghost he's the friendly ghost, it's pitched the whole movie friend zone ghost.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's. It's established a little bit that he has a crush on her, but clearly he died drowning full of toys.
Speaker 1:Sledding, sledding, yeah he's a the whole movie. You're like this kid cannot be more than seven years old. I just watched this and it's just like that. No point is there ever a romantic connection.
Speaker 2:Until he shows up looking like a babe. Until he shows up looking like a babe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you're still kind of like when they're kissing at the end you're like that's your friend, that's your seven year, and then the dance is over, he turns back into a ghost and they kind of just don't talk about it.
Speaker 2:They don't. They're just like we're going to do a dance number. Cool, that was a studio intervention. We got Sawa on the contract. Listen, that doesn't work with my movie.
Speaker 1:The whole movie they're waiting to see if they got Sawa. It's a whole alternate ending and they can't get him.
Speaker 2:It's like a Bill Murray thing hasn't been on set and no one's seen him in town damn it, nick.
Speaker 1:You know what? We could have just had jtt show up in casper that would have been more believable.
Speaker 2:He would have been like eight or nine. He could have come in.
Speaker 1:That would have been accurate and it'd been like the I'm the eight year old with the crush on my babysitter. She could have given like a pick on the cheek.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, respectful little tussle of the hair and they can dance and it turns back to a ghost and it kind of means more right, we don't need her first sexual experience as a young woman with. The only way, the only way it works with sawa is if you rewrite him and he's not a, he's like a teenager and sawa voices him yeah, and he's a teenage ghost I guess, I guess sabrina the teenage witch.
Speaker 1:I already had the teenage part. I guess it would have been as friendly. Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true. Creepy things, yeah, so that's that's yeah. Yeah, it works better anyway done with tangent.
Speaker 2:Let's move on to our top six here. Uh, core, who do you want to go with first? Um, I started with star star, okay, played by jamie gertz. Yes, jamie gertz, are you?
Speaker 1:aware that jamie gertz is the wealthiest actor in the world I'm sorry what yeah, apparently she's married to some dude. They did a lot of good business. She's a billionaire with a b, with a b yeah, she herself sports team, she herself or the? Herself or the husband Like she married into. I don't think she married a billionaire. I think they made like smart moves, okay, financially Good on her.
Speaker 2:I mean people know her from Less Than Zero Sixteen Candles Twister.
Speaker 1:Twister.
Speaker 2:Mainly Oklahomans will know her from Twister as the bride to B that eventually leaves Bill Paxton.
Speaker 1:For good reason. But yeah, but yeah. Uh, who do you have for now? She's star is part of the lost boys gang, correct, like she's? She's kind of like she's the love interest of our main character michael, yes, and she's kind of like. You almost get the idea that they sent her out as like bait to bring him in right and she falls in. Then later she kind of feels guilty because you know, being a vampire is not fun for everybody, right?
Speaker 2:it's fun for those four, sure but she's kind of like I'm not really. Yeah, that was re-remembering and stuff. It was like, yeah, that's right, she's kind of like trying to warn him and falling for him and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like at what point you know they're doing the whole scene where, like, they're eating Chinese food and oh, it's worms, it's maggots.
Speaker 2:She has a net worth of $8 billion. Yeah, oh, my goodness, with a isn't all that bad, is it?
Speaker 1:Like I mean, dude, she's filming Less Than Zero. Robert Downey Jr is actually doing cocaine on set and she's like making investments.
Speaker 2:She's like guys, not right now.
Speaker 1:She's like, hey, acting may not always be here. People Invest Robert Downey Jr's like strippers and coke and cars.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna live forever. I mean, he's fine now.
Speaker 1:It worked out food. So you know the maggots, the thing. And then they hand him the bottle and she says, don't do it, it's blood.
Speaker 2:And he doesn't believe her because they've been playing with his mind, right and so yeah, she doesn't want him to do it because she definitely has, like that glammed up 80s look to her with the hair and everything but she's. But jamie gertz herself still has, like this girl next door, quality to her that makes her well she also has like a little brother or it's not even a little brother in the movie. It's someone she takes under. Right, that's right.
Speaker 1:Like you know, again she sees this as this sucks, that like we've taken this kid and you know, and whatever. He's a vampire now. So who? You got Listen, I'm making a modern horror movie here. I got Jenna Ortega.
Speaker 2:All right, I see where this is going, I see how it.
Speaker 1:Is All right, I I'm pretty sure she gets the first call every time something horror related is happening in Hollywood. Is Jenna available?
Speaker 2:If she's not, we'll call her. Anyway, she might be. She might be available. I went a little different route. Obviously, christina Ricci is sitting right there in the 90s. I didn't want to go that route. She does so many of these roles.
Speaker 1:I went that route. I didn't want Zendaya. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fair. That's also fair. I went that route. I was like I didn't want Zendaya. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's fair, that's also fair. I went with a lesser known actress from Coyote Ugly, piper Periboh.
Speaker 1:Is she the main one? Yeah, she's the main one. Alright, that's fair. Kind of looks like Jamie Girtz A little bit Got the vibes going on there.
Speaker 2:Other people might know her from the Rocky and Boo Winkle movie. She had like that little push in the late 90s.
Speaker 1:She did. It didn't happen. She had a small push.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it didn't quite come through for her. She was in like other stuff as well. She was in that.
Speaker 1:Cheaper by the Dozen movie.
Speaker 2:No, she was in.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought she played like she was, she was, she was, she was. But that's not what I was. She was in looper. I was like I was just gonna start yelling out this, that last jedi.
Speaker 2:No, not that one, not that one, sorry so uh, okay, no, that's fair, I like it.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with it. Um, they didn't consider uh I thought about claire danes. I thought about alicia silverstone danes would have been all right, but she'd have been a little too big Richie was obviously the obvious layup of a pick.
Speaker 2:But I also thought about Ali Larder. But then I thought about the 80s rules. I was like recasting You're getting half of Tim Burton's family right now and they like to make movies together and I've got two different eras. There's no room for Winona Ryder here. No, she does not appear in my film.
Speaker 1:Okay, got it got it moving up, though I got Sam the little brother played by Corey Haim.
Speaker 2:Okay, who do you?
Speaker 1:have, which that character is essentially. He's the guy that finds out his bigger brother is turning into a vampire yes, and he's the one that says hey, I know these two dudes that work at a comic book store.
Speaker 2:He has the frog brothers connection. They've given him a comic book as a guide. It's so 80s. I love this movie. Everything's awesome. Not a real comic either. They made that comic for the movie. Vampires everywhere have they recreated it.
Speaker 1:I think you can buy it as a prop. It's a fun thing you can buy. If you want to be the Farag Brothers for Halloween.
Speaker 2:I'm going to see if Jube wants to be the Farag Brothers for Halloween. It's a quick, easy you just gotta get the bandana camo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, and so but she has long hair, so she get to be cory feldman.
Speaker 2:I don't like sacrifices, cory, it's love and marriage.
Speaker 1:Sickness and health come on um, but yeah, he's a fun character played by cory hame. He can't have so much fun in this movie, um, and so, uh, I have finn wolfhard yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense I tapped into the strangers thing but. I don't think I go back to it. I think I just grabbed those two people out of it but, I think obviously finn wolfhard would play. Well, that's. I mean, that's, he's a solid, it's a solid pick.
Speaker 2:Call it a solid actor. Makes a quick appearance in saturday night uh, the movie that's the page does fun, fun job there, cory. In my 90s movie I'm gonna bring you pre lord the rings, elijah wood yeah, that's fine, like he's. He's a little older, but he looks.
Speaker 1:he looks like 12 pretty much, until he's Frodo, I mean it depends on what part of the 90s you're in, I guess, right, yeah, I mean I'm thinking like Six, seven.
Speaker 2:From there and on, basically. So give me that. I'm in the late 90s yeah give me a teenage Elijah Wood before.
Speaker 1:Super Stardom.
Speaker 2:We're in the post-Curt Cobain pro-Alicia Silverstone 90s Corey, just perfect for lost boys.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's who I got. I like those picks. So far, so good. So far, so good. Who's next? Corey? All right, so now we're up to our main four vampires, and then Michael. Okay, okay, so we're gonna go in order of my favorite vampires to least favorite okay, your favorite, two or least favorite which I shouldn't say least favorite, because they're all wonderful got it, got it, got it.
Speaker 2:But.
Speaker 1:I don't want to start with. I don't want to go in the order. They die okay, so because my favorite dies first, um, I want to start with duane. Okay, right, not the rock now, duane in the uh, but he would be the rock, honestly, like he's the muscle oh, yeah, sure, like I thought you're about to throw that casting.
Speaker 2:No, no, you're gonna ruin this movie, cory. What are we doing?
Speaker 1:yes, stop, it would be the rock but like he's kind of the muscle, the silent type, the heavy of the group okay, he's taller than the rest, kind of like, just looks a little tougher. He gets shot with a bow and arrow into a stereo and explodes which is amazing and so, and I actually put Lakeith Stanfield here. Oh, that's very cool.
Speaker 2:We all love, we love. I love Lakeith.
Speaker 1:Stanfield, but Lakeith Stanfield just looks like he could fight you.
Speaker 2:He looks like he'd be a vampire, but he also just looks like he could throw down and fight. So I just like it Makes sense.
Speaker 1:It makes a lot of sense, for sure, because a lot of playing these four vampires, because only Kiefer gets a lot of lines lines the rest have very limited lines. There's not a lot. The performances are strong in all three. They just know how to like I mean kind of cheese it up for the camera when they're on like but their characters kind of come through in the way they do it and duane's always just kind of like there in the back looking just kind of menacing, and that's the keith stanfield that's fair.
Speaker 2:He can look menacing, you know, from the back.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know, but at the same time you know like a, like a teenage dirt bike riding vampire.
Speaker 2:Plus the hair right. Yeah, He'll have the sweet dreads going on and stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's something. It'll be awesome.
Speaker 2:I kind of went the similar route. I picked Omar Epps, nice. I just wanted him to be like the cool yeah, he's in the 80s like the white guy that played him. That's name is Billy, long, dark hair, like so that was it made him stand out next to the other guys who all have blonde hair. But I feel like omar is going to be an intimidating look just by staring at you across the way, kind of thing. But he'll also be very cool, like he is in a lot of his movies omar ebbs is such a good actor he's solid he's amazing.
Speaker 1:I love him as the coach of the pittsburgh steelers right now his most important role to be to be fair look identical like at this point I I think Omar Epps is rooting for Mike Tomlin to win a Super Bowl. So there might be a movie made about it, because you can't make a movie about a coach that he's won a Super Bowl has he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, with Roethlisberger. He did win one with.
Speaker 1:Roethlisberger, you're right. Why isn't the Mike Tomlin movie off the ground?
Speaker 2:I think he needs to do something controversial.
Speaker 1:He's just too good at being a coach and hasn't ever done anything wrong.
Speaker 2:He has two Super Bowl rings, Corey.
Speaker 1:You're right. He beat Arizona that one year at the end of the game. I forget about the Roethlisberger years. Yup, yup, yup, yup. I'm a Steelers fan too. That's bad, Well, Roethlisberger's not. I'm pumped.
Speaker 2:All right, who's next? Corey, we're going with Paul. Paul, who's got the most 80s hair of the group? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but it's very big, it's very.
Speaker 1:He looks like he could just pick up guitar and be in any 80s hair band. Yes or like gray tights with like writing boots. Yeah yeah, but he's kind of like maybe like more loose cannon of the group. He's kind of the one that's always laughing and kind of joking around, not taking anything seriously when he has a line. Again, the actor does a lot with very little. He gets thrown into a bathtub full of holy water and melts, you know the Christian way.
Speaker 2:Garlic doesn't work. That's one of his lines. Love that Because they fill it with garlic and he says. He laughs and says doesn't work. That's one thing I do. That became more of a thing as we move more into modern cinema was that they started getting rid of a lot of the more ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Every movie starts going here's our rules, yeah, and here's not our rules, you know, and things like that the the lost boys actually utilizes one of the like less used ones, which is you have to invite a vampire in yeah, yeah, which I always loved, that about Lost Boys, because it's not a heavily used one.
Speaker 2:No, not outside of the main Dracula story, and that was also something I read about. I believe it was Vampire Diaries. They the writer. She made the choice I can't remember what specifically she made a choice to go outside of canon.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And turned out it was like, oh, that's actually kind of cool. I can't remember what specifically she did I haven't watched the series or anything, but I like when people take a risk. That's within reason. Yeah, but even Twilight did it, because they're like no, we don't die in the sunlight, we just aren't. I think they're not as strong, but they definitely glitter, or shimmer or whatever. That was the first sign. That is not my vampire movie.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:Well, who do you have for Paul?
Speaker 1:I brought Austin Butler Mainly because he looks exactly like the actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who passed away? Actually there is no one with us. That's not sad to hear. Okay, 90s I was tempted to give you Sean William Scott Corey.
Speaker 1:Damn it, Nick.
Speaker 2:But I'm going to be respectful here we're playing by the rules. I'm going to give you the other guy who's born can james? Can scott con, scott con yeah scott james con son, okay with that he just, he just gives off that vibe like whether he's in varsity blues or oceans 11, he can play the little bit of the hot head, he's it, he's.
Speaker 1:He's less of a caricature than sean william scott. Sean william scott it would be a departure yes, a bit yeah, whereas with scott con it's you could have done david arquette pre uh scream stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would have been, it was a vampire in Buffy Vampire Slayer oh okay In the movie, oh okay, never mind the more you know.
Speaker 1:But he does play very much, like Paul.
Speaker 2:He's very kind of like loose canon kind of goofy. That was kind of the thing In that documentary where he's you Can't Kill David Arquette. I was reminded that it's like before Scream and stuff he was seen as like an up-and-coming actor, yeah, like one of those serious actor or whatever. So so Scott Kahn, that's who we're going with here, not David, thank you okay with David, I guess all right.
Speaker 1:So that brings us to my favorite vampire. I'm not gonna put him any higher, okay, but Marco got it played brilliantly by Alex winter. Yes, of Bill and Ted fame.
Speaker 2:Bill s Preston Esquire living off of vibes a lot, but I mean he's got the jacket he does. Yes, the jacket, the jacket in the movie um and a jacket that tanner and I found something similar. Yeah, I found a very similar jacket.
Speaker 1:Yeah every once in a while I find that jacket for auction.
Speaker 2:You know like because you haven't bought it. Oh, it's always like in the thousands. Oh well, maybe one day when you yeah finally, when make it big.
Speaker 1:Could not explain that to my wife at all come on, it's cool and so, um, but like, uh, he is, it's. It's interesting because his like marco is like the runt almost he's portrayed as the runt of the litter. You know these vampires, and he's kind of portrayed as the newest, like, and the youngest, and um, obviously, when they decide, the frog brothers convince them that hey, we know what we're doing, and they go in there and they stab because he just gets the most um, that's right, they're asleep and he just stabs.
Speaker 1:He gets the most traditional, like which is one of the best scenes and that they're shown sleeping upside down like bats and they have the feet. You know things like that in the cave and they go in and they stab them um and he gets the traditional stake to the heart. Like one of the best scenes, though, and it's kind of like i't know. I always look at it as like when you watch Empire Strikes Back and you pick up on Darth having some sort of connection to Boba Fett whether they intended that or not?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, but there's all those kind of scenes where he stops. With him. No disintegration.
Speaker 2:Right, it's world building without going overboard.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of that with Marco and David, like Marco's pushing David around in the wheelchair they send Marco out for and all this stuff and Marco's the first to jump on the thing, like on the bridge, and so there's all this kind of idea that they're protective of Marco to a degree and that he's the new guy and it's amazing because when they kill Marco, obviously David Kiefer Sutherland chases him through and there's a scene where he can't chase him any further and it comes in and it pains on his face and he's crying.
Speaker 1:And some people have always interpreted it as like oh, he just burned himself and he's crying. But I was like that would be a dumb yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:That would be dumb, that would show weakness.
Speaker 1:That the pain, what it is, is like that I actually think they put the tears there because he just lost his friend right like they for a moment humanized the, the villain right that, like his, you know his best friend's just been murdered, and so I like that. There's just all this, really, bill and Ted. This is when we learned he's from the stage. Yeah, he was. He was a huge theater actor, and so I like it. I'm bringing you Tom Holland.
Speaker 2:That's fair. It's Tom Holland. It's the little guy he's going to do well. He'll be that quiet reserve. You'll feel kind of bad when he dies. He's the fun one of the group. Everybody's having fun. He's a little brother.
Speaker 1:They're gonna be devastated when, absolutely just yeah but see, even paul has a really great scene where the actor gets thought burst in the door and they and he says you killed marco you know like, and he's like, he's pissed you know and like. So it's. It kind of like marco's death is the one that like really pushes those vampires over to the edge into like ultra violence, like we're gonna go murder they go.
Speaker 1:Yeah they go from being like we're just having fun to we're toying with all you and feel like now you're gonna die, you know, type of thing.
Speaker 2:So okay, cory, I had three finalists to give you and I and the one, but I started with jared leto because he is just a vampire. He played a vampire last year, so we're gonna leave him alone, all right. The other two are ben foster young, ben foster dang and ethan embry cory oh, those are both good choices.
Speaker 1:I went with Ethan Embry because it's his moment.
Speaker 2:This is his period of time. Ben Foster is such a great character.
Speaker 1:You're just adding to his run. Yeah, I'm adding to the run man.
Speaker 2:Epic 90s run. Epic 90s run. Baby, I'm down Because he has the childish energy. He has a little bit of that crazy chaoticness to himself, but also the likability that we've seen in movies that he's been in previously. So when he does die, you're going to be like, oh no.
Speaker 1:Why did they stab him first? Stab Paul or Dwayne? We don't like them, screw those guys. Yeah, no, I like that a lot actually, okay, okay okay so we're down to the top. I could have brought out Chalamet, but I didn't want to.
Speaker 2:Chalamet, he, he doesn't have a little brother. He's a small whimsical boy, but he's not Tom Holland.
Speaker 1:That's true. He doesn't have a little brother energy, that's true. Okay, so that brings us to David. David, or do you want to do Michael first?
Speaker 2:Let's do, david. Let's just round out the vampires, just knock it out. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, it's your party.
Speaker 2:I'm actually going to give yeah, sure, it's the yin and yang, it's the fight for power.
Speaker 1:It's like it's interesting because they never really tell you why they want michael yeah, it's just like again, these are just dudes left to their own devices. And they just said hey, we need a new member yeah, and here's this lost kid and so let's just take them, you know, there isn't a whole lot of you know they at the end they kind of try to like tie it in.
Speaker 1:It's still like oh, max fell in love with the mom, and so I sent my boys to take your son and I figured you couldn't say no once you know type of thing which it's like.
Speaker 2:That's kind of well I think it's just it leans towards the end, leans into that whole vampire thing we talk about, like there's a there's always a certain amount of coding for like sexuality, for potentially like uh, homosexuality between vampires, like interview, the vampire clearly was just two gay vampire lovers, basically like you're talking about picking a partner, basically so like that's kind of the situation. They see something in him that they, like you, could even be outside of sexuality. It's just like, hey, he looks like he could be a great vampire, he could be an asset for us.
Speaker 1:I like that they don't over-explain why Max? Is turning these teenage kids into vampires and all this stuff whether it's just for the mom or whatever, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:For or whatever it doesn't really matter For the anime fans out there. And I'm going to explain something to you really quick, corey. There's a story called Berserk and there's a dynamic kind of like this between the two main characters, guts and Griffith. Griffith is like this great leader type figure and he finds Guts and when he sees Guts he's like I have to have you. They don't dive into that very far, other than he just sees him as this, like he sees him fight and he's like I gotta have you on my team basically so it's, I kind of see it as that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, um, and it's all I mean. It's also just like taps into like, why did peter pan potentially keep kidnapping children?
Speaker 2:yeah, he's alone. He's a mortal and he's alone, you know, type of thing and so um, but like so.
Speaker 1:But I wanted to bring these two because I feel like traditionally they would probably be cast in the opposite roles, but I would prefer them in this role. Okay, so for David, I'm bringing you Zac Efron, and that's just because he recently dyed his hair blonde.
Speaker 2:That's great, I'm in. You don't have to tell me anymore. Efron's in.
Speaker 1:I want Zac Efron with the blonde bleached blonde hair. That's so good, but the dark you know kind of five o'clock shadow and bringing you jeremy allen white for michael okay I think traditionally they'd probably be cast opposite because jeremy allen white kind of plays darker characters yeah, exactly, typically plays hero characters. But I'm like, nah, let's reverse it okay, give me the bundy zach efron yeah, please one air, and then let jeremy allen white play the hero efron.
Speaker 2:That efron casting is like on point that's, that's, that's great.
Speaker 1:And I'm just now realizing they're both in the von eric movie. They are. It's a little bit of a reunion-reunion here, but whatever you had, tim Burton matchups.
Speaker 2:You're bringing A-listers here, it's fine, it's all good. I kind of did the same thing. I had considered these two actors and I put them in initial roles and then I flipped it.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:So for David, I initially thought I was going to go one way, but I'm giving you Freddie Prince Jr as David. I like it Because.
Speaker 1:I actually like that a lot.
Speaker 2:The temptation was I was like I'm going to make Freddie Prinze Jr Michael.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that would be the typical thing with him.
Speaker 2:But we like we've talked about with like Breakfast Club before, like there's a part of Freddie Prinze Jr that we haven't got this really get to see fully on screen, that we know is there and we've seen in some smaller parts and stuff. Ok, so I'm giving you that and then for Michael, I'm so that's my pick. Yeah, robin, all right. Okay, we're going to get him to do a little bit more outside the batverse with other types of bats. He had an all right 90s run.
Speaker 1:He had an okay 90s run. I would have assumed somewhere Paul Walker would have fallen on your list. Yeah, and I would have assumed somewhere that you would have tried to cram in Matthew Lillard.
Speaker 2:I'm not as big on Matthew Lillard as you guys like, why? I mean I could see him as like a Paul or a Dwayne maybe. Yeah, he would be a fun vampire, just as a peripheral guy other than he trying to?
Speaker 1:no, he'd be bad, he'd choose scenery that's my thing and the thing about the actors that played Paul Dwayne and Marcos they never choose it right?
Speaker 2:yeah, you're terrified of them, but you don't know why. Yeah, yeah, you know they do. Just enough to like be characterized and not just be bland vampire.
Speaker 1:they're not like chewing scenery. Paul's the closest. Lillard loves to chew his scenery. Yeah, he does, so I don't know if that would have worked.
Speaker 2:But, but yeah, paul Walker, I guess you could have had him as David. Maybe I would have like.
Speaker 1:I'm like thinking like when you said Freddie Prinze as David, I was like they would be switched. It would be Paul Walker as a David and Freddie as a Michael. Sure, but I like the idea of kind of making them go against typecasting. But no, Chris O'Donnell's good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what is it you think about Kiefer Sutherland's performance as David? That just keeps resonating these 40 years on now, almost.
Speaker 1:I mean I hate saying it because I do love this movie and I don't want to sell it short I think the movies a lot of it is really just they captured such a really interesting aesthetic. I mean, obviously it's a vampire movie that isn't falling into the capes and the widow's peak and the stuff like that. It's just like, hey, here's what vampires would look like in the 80s.
Speaker 1:But I think those particular four vampires. I own a book and it's a discontinued. It was just a goofy ass. What do they call that? Where you fund something? A crowdfunded? Book, yeah, yeah on the making of the lost boys and they like they spend a lot of time talking about, like the wardrobe okay and that the characters really put a lot into the world, like obviously marco was given his jacket yeah, the actor that played.
Speaker 1:He's like oh, it's really cool, but I'm the one that said wouldn't it be cool if I had this kind of hair and, like you know, had extensions put?
Speaker 2:in all this stuff.
Speaker 1:And then, like david uh was supposed to just have like long blonde hair or something and he cut it into the mullet thing he has which is great because it just it stands out against any other vampire that you've seen, and they were like furious kind of when he showed up on set. But then like they were like let's go with it and so like I mean, what are the choice you got?
Speaker 1:so I think, it has a lot to do with just like um, it is a subtlety, he kind of plays, plays kind of gothic vampire, because he never really loses his cool yeah, it's very, it's very dracula the whole time, sure um, but again, I think it's just all like it's a subtle performance rather than a big performance yeah, because he's very menacing the whole time.
Speaker 2:There's a, there's a, but keifer does that so well. There's just a level of like you know, this guy could go unglued and it's also a natural off-puttingness by Kiefer Sutherland.
Speaker 1:You know I mean if you look, he's an actor that's actually more than once been in movies with small roles, but like he does a lot with them, Stand by me.
Speaker 2:You're terrified of him in Stand by Me. You're like I hope I never run.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's kind of become a hero ever since you know, and he's got a country band so like. But like that's the thing, Like I think it is just that, it's just like it's a subtlety and it's, you know, like I do think of him in A Few Good Men. He's only in like three scenes. Yeah, but it's like it's off-putting His character's just like oh, yes, yes, sir. And so I think that's what it is mainly.
Speaker 2:Okay, Do you think you know Jason Patrick plays Michael. Just to wrap things up and talk about, like our quote unquote, leading man kind of guy. He never really took off after the 80s.
Speaker 1:Well, he took off with Kiefer Sutherland's fiance on their wedding day.
Speaker 2:Oh, is that what happened? Who's his fiance?
Speaker 1:Julia Roberts. Is that who it was? Kiefer Sutherland was that. I didn't realize. Jason was the one, and she ran off with Jason Patrick. Oh my gosh. Apparently they're friends now, though. Jason Patrick gave her like that. That's good it happened. I think he's remarried. I forgot she was a literal runaway bride Like a literal runaway bride, but I didn't realize it was this guy from the same movie.
Speaker 2:That's funny. But yeah, Jason Patrick, he didn't did he do much out. So what's what's his, what's his claims to fame? He's got narc speed to the losers.
Speaker 1:That came out in 2010 he made an incredible movie called sleepers. He's in terrifier 3 he's in terrifier 3.
Speaker 2:Funnily, he's named michael.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean like that's. I mean like a lot of these dudes end up like when their main claim to fame's horror they end up just being you know cameos and they run and they do those cons.
Speaker 2:What were you?
Speaker 1:saying before I interrupted you, but like he's in a movie called Sleepers, which is really good. That's a massive Sleepers is this weird movie that went under the?
Speaker 2:radar it did. I'd always seen it, but I never.
Speaker 1:It's one of the best movies.
Speaker 2:I've ever seen, and the cast you've got it's Brad.
Speaker 1:Pitt it's. Jason Patrick it's.
Speaker 2:Dustin Hoffman. Dustin Hoffman, de Niro. Kevin Bacon, kevin Bacon, kevin.
Speaker 1:Bacon in absolutely his most vile role viral but you hate kevin.
Speaker 2:Okay, but it's essentially a driver, many drivers.
Speaker 1:Bruno kirby and so uh, uh, uh, what's the one dude I like?
Speaker 2:brad renfrow no uh, jonathan tucker no uh, vittorino, it seemed like the mission impossible movies like oh, jean played russell hammond in almost famousous oh, russell Hammond yeah, almost Famous actor, it's fine, we're just Googling live Billy Crudup. Billy Crudup's in Okay, yeah, he's in Sleepers, it's one of his early movies.
Speaker 1:But, like I mean, it's just about these kids that accidentally hurt a hot dog vendor when they steal his cart and they end up in a reformatory for boys and get raped by the guards and like I mean repeatedly sexually abused for years, and then when they get out, like you know they're, they have all this post-traumatic stress two of them grow up like well, two of them grow up to be kind of normal, to grow up to be in gang like a gang, like they become violent criminals okay and they run into the guard yeah uh to, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm on this movie now about we're on a vampire, but like people need to see this movie and they run into one of the guards that raped them as adults and they just murder them in cold blood, like in a room full of people. And Brad Pitt turns out. He's a lawyer, okay, and he sees this as like a Count Amati Cristo revenge thing.
Speaker 1:He said there's no record that we were ever in that school with those two guys. And and he goes to Jason Patrick and says we can expose everything and we need to get these two friends off of murder. You know, because they'd grown apart, and so it's this whole massively cool, convoluted thing.
Speaker 2:Very dark, but very interesting.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a phenomenal movie and everybody's just acting at their highest.
Speaker 2:It's so good. So that's what he did.
Speaker 1:That's a low note to end on, but another movie to potentially watch.
Speaker 2:That is what Jason Patrick did. I added Sleepers and Count of Monte Cristo to my list here. I forgot about that movie. But yeah, that's your cast. Finally, we finally have a Lost Boys cast for Corey you can send us a Lost Boys cast recap.
Speaker 1:I'm just not gonna read it. I will read it and I'll just tell Corey be like.
Speaker 2:You won't like it.
Speaker 1:I just this movie's near and dear to me so I don't want to go home and watch it right now.
Speaker 2:But you can tell us how you thought about it, what you thought about our cast. If you hated them, loved them, I'll. I'll look at it and I'll just. I just won't show cory, because he'll get upset, I want to fight you or talk about it on threads maybe yeah, I will fight you on threads, but you can find us on all those social media places like instagram, facebook's uh threads we're on there as well.
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Speaker 1:No, if you've never seen Lost Boys, do yourself a favor, just go watch it, it's so good. It's a blast even if you don't like 80s movies, it's not like, it's not super, I mean okay it's pretty.
Speaker 2:It's pretty. 80s let's, let's be real here. That's.
Speaker 1:That's half the reason you like it I'm just saying, when you get to the guy with the saxophone and you're we didn't talk about the guy with the saxophone and you want to turn it off.
Speaker 2:Just power through, man. Why I'm not? I'm not mad about it, I'm glad it's there, but why? Why did it? Let's just get this buff guy with a saxophone and just have him blast a scene covered in baby. It's like someone watched return of the jedi and said I'll do you one better for music. Scenes of the villains it's.
Speaker 1:The only thing I'm upset about with the saxophone guy is that he never comes back into the movie well, you know at some point.
Speaker 2:You want him showing up and killing a vampire, or to be revealed as a vampire it would have been very, it would have been very dusk till dawn for him to be a vampire like the band in that.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, it would be. You just wanted more from him.
Speaker 2:That's true, that's all, that's fair.
Speaker 1:But I also should note that I love the opening scene of this movie. I think it's a strong opening scene.
Speaker 2:That's fair.
Speaker 1:It's one of the couples in the car making out the vampires. Come and get them.
Speaker 2:It's very Jaws. The vampires are actually revealed.
Speaker 1:They're not actually revealed until kind of late in the movie, when they kill a bunch of surf Nazis.
Speaker 2:They're kind of good Surf Nazis. As we know, surf Nazis must die. Last thoughts just here. Joel Schumacher movie.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Unexpected, but kind of no. No, he's a.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was originally going to be Richard Donner, okay, and then Donner became a producer and Schumacher took over Gotcha gotcha, but it fits in his catalog for sure, this is how you follow up St Elmo's Fire.
Speaker 2:With Lost Boys, yeah.
Speaker 1:Schumacher has two of my favorite films.
Speaker 2:You're a Schumacher guy Like in my top four, man Corey, and if you're really honest, there's three in there.
Speaker 1:What like Batman Forever, batman and Robin? Come on, come on, you know it to be true. I don't knock those movies. I think they're great Phone.
Speaker 2:Booth. 8mm was a dark movie, and then Phantom of the Opera he did that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Schumacher's incredible. He did Time to Kill. He made so many great movies. A lot of good stuff in there.
Speaker 2:Schumacher was awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:Just wanted to give him a little shout out there.
Speaker 2:He did didn't he.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's why I think this was originally going to be a Goonies-type movie.
Speaker 2:It was supposed to be a family like vampires, but with Peter Pan type of thing which is funny, because you got Schumacher and he made a dark movie from a kids' movie, and then you go 10 years later and this dude takes a dark movie and makes it a kids' movie. My how the turntables.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know right, McDonald's. We're not selling enough happy meals with.
Speaker 2:Burton, look at that guy who made the vampire movie back in the 80s.
Speaker 1:He knows his family shtick well that's our final thoughts on Lost Boys. It's incredible watch it, it'll change your life changed ours, changed mine, alright, well, thanks for listening. Say goodnight, nick.