Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
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Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years
Titanic: Leonardo DiCaprio's Big Boat-mance
What if 'Titanic' was recast?
We're kicking off our sixth season with the one of the biggest movies of all time! Cory and Nick cover Titanic's enduring legacy, mixing nostalgia with a sprinkle of whimsy, as we finally give James Cameron's masterpiece the Quantum Recast treatment it deserves. We reminisce about its monumental success and cultural impact, and even ponder bold casting choices for two different lists. From debating the emotional clout of iconic movie songs to discussing the societal shifts around celebrity body image, our lively chat promises a fresh perspective on cinema's unsinkable ship.
Join us as we reflect on the iconic roles of Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, their chemistry, and how they've shaped the romance genre. We share tales of family movie nights where Titanic's nudity sparked curious questions, and the film's epic runtime was likened to classics like Lawrence of Arabia. As we navigate the waters of Titanic conspiracies and romantic speculations, our playful banter on whether Jack and Rose could have both fit on that infamous door brings a touch of relatable humor to the table.
So, fasten your life jackets and prepare for a podcast episode filled with creativity, laughter, and a heartfelt salute to one of cinema’s most iconic films.
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Hosts:
Cory Williams (@thelionfire)
Nick Growall (@nickgrowall)
Co-Hosts (Season 6):
Aly Dale (@alydale55)
Ash Hurry (@filmexplorationah)
Cass Elliott (@take5cass)
Terran Sherwood (@terransherwood)
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Kristi Rothrock (@letzshake)
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Nick Growall
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1997. Welcome back to Quantum Recast. We are returning with a new season, so we're kicking it off big. It's a little shocking that we've been doing this for years and we've never touched this movie.
Speaker 1:I think it's crossed my mind. Oh yeah, we need to do that.
Speaker 2:I was like, surely we've talked about it. I'm sure we brought it up, but I never sat there and went it's time to do Titanic, corey. It's what's weird if you actually look into it, because we're used to taking them back to a specific year and taking them back to, like, a specific year and it's like really they've made like dozens of titanic movies. There's not really an area you could have taken them actually, where there wasn't already some titanic movies but a good titan.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, they're mostly bad, they're mostly trash, they're mostly really bad, but they exist.
Speaker 2:Like the 1997, titanic is not the first titanic movie by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1:Somebody in probably in 1912 said I can make a movie out of this. And somebody goes what's a movie? What? I can make a movie out of this and somebody goes what's a movie, what the hell's a movie?
Speaker 2:But you know, I mean, I'm sure someone's like how do you tell that story in three minutes? Because that's how long movies are right now.
Speaker 1:You can throw that in the old Nickelodeon.
Speaker 2:And so, but no, so it's fun, hey, nick, though, before we dive into Titanic, though, speaking of big, big events, Cause Titanic was a big event. It was I'm trying to think of. I still, to this day, feel like Titanic's the biggest movie of my lifetime. I know we've had big movies since, but I still feel like it doesn't feel as big as Titanic did.
Speaker 1:Nothing, I mean, even like big movies now, like in game and things like that, it still didn't feel like Titanic movies in terms of, uh, like their box offices and stuff, even like I feel like after titanic, you have to start having the thing about.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, there's a thing called inflation yeah, like every avengers and avatar and everything they want to be like we're a top 10 movie and I'm like, yeah, but when you really compare it to everything else, ticket prices have gone up yeah, and wages haven't yeah, but but yeah and it's that.
Speaker 2:But it's like, it's not even like just box off. It's just like it felt like you had to go see titanic. It's that. But it's like it's not even like just box off, it's just like it felt like you had to go see Titanic.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like it was an event. It was like this movie came out and everyone had to go see it, and I don't remember a movie since where I felt that Right, I just felt like everyone needed to go see something.
Speaker 1:So don't listen to what Marvel and Disney and James Cameron are telling you. Inflation top 10 is corey's gone with the wind in it and it always gone with the wind at one. Okay, star wars the original star wars. At two, sound of music, three et4, titanic five, and then you get the ten commandments jaws, dr shivaga which I've never seen, I don't know anybody that has seen it and then the exorcist and snow white and seven dwarves. All make sense because when you those are big, high mark points in the history of Snow White's fallen.
Speaker 2:A little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, used to be like up in there, like the two and three it's probably due to some re-releases or something, but but yeah, these are always like the Force Awakens is the most modern movie and it's at 11 and it's like still 10 million shorter than Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. And we have to keep in mind like not not in the 90s, but in gone with the wind era nobody had anything else to do but go to the movies and like, and that's interesting too, because like okay, let's say, the force awakens is 11 and that was like a reboot of the star wars right, right yeah which I'd already lived through.
Speaker 1:One of those I'd already lived through the phantom menace, but even then I still feel.
Speaker 2:I feel like phantom menace might be the closest thing I can think of to like a big deal yeah where I was like okay, everyone has to go see this. Well, phantom.
Speaker 1:Menace is 19th on the list. Lion King is 20th. So, yeah, it's a lot of those classic movies, Because Endgame, even Avengers Endgame, is at 16. Avatar is 15. Like those two that are like oh we're the top.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're trying to fight it out.
Speaker 1:They keep re-releasing no-transcript medias that are still existing and not taken down by the government. Um, we're still there. We'll interact. Are we still on tech talk? Yeah, we're still there. We're still there down for like six hours. I've never downloaded it, so I guess I can't download it now according to people. Oh, that's what I've heard. Yeah, so, um, you could sell a phone. Yeah, if your phone has it. Just don't let people look at your weird, your private photos or anything, right?
Speaker 2:now, if you're selling, if you bought a phone for anything over a hundred bucks just because of tiktok, you're you're an idiot. Stop listening to this podcast. I don't want your.
Speaker 1:I don't want your ears, listening to my voice. We don't, we don't care. We don't care about your thoughts yeah, like, yeah, like listen.
Speaker 2:We're a mid-level podcast. Like celebrities ruined any ability for us to do this for a living.
Speaker 1:So so now it's all about the for the love of the game.
Speaker 2:It's all about the kelseys and whoever now. So, um, I can say whatever I want. There's no rules. So if you bought it, if you bought a tiktok phone off ebay, go listen to the kelseys. That's more, that's, that's your speed, um and so, uh, but okay, but speaking of the kelseys, the super bowl nick, I have a question for you, just because you, you're a sports guy sure and I'm like a late in life kind of sports guy okay okay, um, I didn't really watch sports a lot of things.
Speaker 2:I mean, I watched basketball and that was it that's all you gotta watch really and so, but as I got older, I got more into like football, sure, um and so, nick, I want to ask you something. We just had the super bowl and it was the chiefs versus the Eagles. Yeah, and I feel like I was one of very few people in my whole life that was reading for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1:Corey, let me explain this to you, and you already know this you like bad guys.
Speaker 2:Are the Chiefs the bad guys? They're the evil empire. Mahomes is such a sweet guy.
Speaker 1:No, they're the Patriots now.
Speaker 2:Here's my question.
Speaker 1:It's a dynasty Nick.
Speaker 2:Are we in a post-dynasty world?
Speaker 1:Like where dynasties just can't exist. Well, people hate them. People have always hated dynasties unless it is your team, unless you are born and bred from Kansas City or you grew up watching it. Like me, I'll sit there and be like I'm glad Kansas City finally got a championship, because for years they didn't have one. Patrick Mahomes comes along and they get one, but you win a couple in a row. You win a couple three out of four, whatever it was, and now you're like okay, that's enough.
Speaker 2:So my thing, though, is I think that's cool to experience. I'm like this would have been cool to see history made in the first three-peat of a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think that would have been cool Within a sports concept.
Speaker 2:I get what you're sayingies I like because I think like back. It was cool to be 10 years old and watch michael jordan do things right and that's the only time I've ever cared about the bulls. I didn't care about the bulls before michael, I mean okay, he was drafted when I was born.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 2:I haven't cared about him since michael jordan no not. You know, derrick rose is great for michael jordan. That sucks for you that does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I'm like you, just know about it. It's a cycle, cory. You, you root for the underdog. The underdog wins, then the underdog becomes the, the bad guy, the franchise, the dynasty. Then people hate him and then years later, like you're talking about, you can go man, that man. It was actually impressive what they did.
Speaker 2:I'm just annoyed. I'm just annoyed by how many people root for the Eagles just because they didn't want the Chiefs to win again. And I was like well cool, you got what you want and the Eagles had an anticlimactic Super.
Speaker 1:Bowl win, it's nothing. Nobody likes Kings.
Speaker 2:It's stupid. It's like cool Jalen Hurts has a Super Bowl now Neat, and that just makes me mad and I feel like it's because we're in a stupid social media gets bored too easy world that dynasties can't exist anymore I mean probably. It's just that's what I think, because that's my nephew. He's like I'm going against the chief because I hate taylor swift and I think it's getting old. It's like or wouldn't it be cool to see the first three p you're alive for it?
Speaker 1:wouldn't it cool, be cool to see taylor swift date a five-time super bowl champion.
Speaker 2:Is it four or five? It would have been four. Okay, all right, they're at three.
Speaker 1:That's why I don't understand this GOAT conversation with Patrick, because it's like you have three.
Speaker 2:I think he's in. I think, but he's on a faster pace than.
Speaker 1:Tom Brady was Sure, but time is fleeting. But he's probably also going to play until he's 45. That's the thing but that's the thing, too is like LeBron and Tom Brady have become more of the norm, I think, than they are. They're going to stand out right now.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, I still think, like because, like the whole thing is about this Luka Doncic guys that he's on a fast. He's on a faster pace than LeBron was and he's the only player that's on a hard worker like shaquille o'neal cory okay all right, all right. Okay, we're not a sports podcast. I just wanted to pick your. We've got to steal what we can from the kelseys while we got it. Yeah, listen to us, not the kelseys. We have enough money.
Speaker 1:We have the real takes here yeah so titanic cory take me back 19 1997 yeah you're, you're how old at this time? I've been 12 12 okay so middle, Okay so middle school, high school, about to enter high school.
Speaker 2:It's already December, man, so I'm going on 12. I would have been like in 6th grade. 6th grade, okay, I think that's 8th grade, almost. Yeah, like you're in 8th grade, like 14, man, like 13, 14.
Speaker 1:Okay, alright, that's fair. I always get those mixed up. So when did you see it? Who did you see it with? It was all my parents.
Speaker 2:Like everyone, I think, my age. That's how I know this was an event. My parents don't even like movies.
Speaker 1:And they were like well, we got to go to the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't want anything to do with anything fake, made up fiction. They don't like movies. I mean supposedly my dad likes to read, he when I was a kid. But like you know, it's one of those things where, like they went to the movies for this. Yeah, you know, like me, my dad would go watch movies like by ourselves, but my mom never go like my dad took me to see blade, that's my first radar movie. We Gilmore in theaters.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But this was a time where, like, the family went. It's like the only time I think me, my sister, my parents went to a movie theater together.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Was for Titanic.
Speaker 1:Wow. So I think the only time my entire family went to watch something was Force Awakens, because it was like Christmas Eve and there was nothing better to do. You got a huge family had. There's like a first, the first run of siblings, and then there's like a gap and then there's my brother and sister below us. Yeah, so my mom would take us to go watch kids movies and stuff. We did not watch this in theaters, cory I'm sure you're surprised by this information.
Speaker 2:Well, your parents probably read in some republican christian magazine that there were boobs in it. Probably, yeah. They said nope, nope.
Speaker 1:They saw nudity, partial nudity, absolutely not my experience with it was I think I'm remembering now fifth grade and like, like Titanic was such a big deal that somebody who hasn't seen it that's a fifth grader is aware of it. Like it's all over everything the magazines, tv, the internet. That was functioning at the time. Like it was a big deal.
Speaker 1:Like we were all aware of it and I think it was even like because there was a historical aspect to it, like schools and national geographic or like history magazines and stuff took advantage of that. We're like here's the thing about titanic, we're gonna learn about it and stuff. So like historians, like we're cool, yeah we're cool.
Speaker 1:It's time it's like all the it's when all the archaeologists got it cool again because indiana jones existed. But I remember like yeah, I remember it was a wave of things and that's what people talk about because it came in theaters and was word of mouth kind of thing, like over the christmas break and stuff. It just kept steam rolling and kept like make breaking box office records. But I got to watch it when it was from blockbuster, we rented it and I just remember my mom making us all cover eyes when you know kate winslet brings her tits out. Can I ask?
Speaker 2:a question, yeah, because I've heard is is that really her boobs or are they cgi boobs? I'm pretty sure those are her boobs. Okay, I've heard both I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm like, I'm not even gonna 99.9, I'm 100.
Speaker 2:She showed her boobs in lots of movies, so I don't know why all of a sudden there was like this weird myth going around that like let's not kate winless, that's probably some dumb gen z thing like, like the like.
Speaker 1:They weren't a lot, they didn't see the bulls play, but cory gen z didn't see the bulls play. Helen keller is real and kate winslet's tits are on the screen.
Speaker 2:All right, I mean her boobs are in lots of movies I don't know why they would have all of a sudden gotten shy at Titanic.
Speaker 1:James Cameron's like can't do that. Gotta be realistic here.
Speaker 2:I'm not a woman. I don't know what it's like to have to show your boobs in a movie, but I feel like if you're going to not be shy around someone, it's going to be Leo. I'll show my boobs to Leo.
Speaker 1:Well, that was the other thing too, was Leo was just like Leo at that point he was, the heartth just kind of broke any girl from the age of like fifth grade probably, or lower, and all the way through like high school and college, will tell you about the moment they saw leo in titanic.
Speaker 2:This is, this is leo. He's now leo. This is the. Yeah, this is broke, leo.
Speaker 1:They girls went to watch girls and women went to watch this movie to see jack dawson die. Sorry spoilers, but a 30 year old movie almost yeah, watch him.
Speaker 2:I think that's one of those things you if, even if you't seen it, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. It's like knowing Darth Vader is the big father. Yeah, you found out. You know, jack doesn't get on the boat or get on the piece of wood, get on the door.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we can talk about that later?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2:But no like okay, so that's interesting.
Speaker 1:You didn't see it in theaters. Quote-unquote pg-13 or up movie. Parents had to watch it first or watch it with us, and usually was like cover your eyes and then and my house.
Speaker 2:My parents just dropped me off at the theater. Right, yeah, it must be nice.
Speaker 1:Simple, pick you up in two hours it's to give me like nice boobs, but and I just remember her being burby like oh my god, I'm like just very performative and it just drove me nuts, like well, I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2:My parents didn't make me close my eyes. I mean it is weird. You're sitting between your parents and there's boobs on screen and you're like, it's like when someone curses in a movie and you've watched it.
Speaker 1:But then you go watch it with your parents You're like oh crap, I forgot that. They say the F bomb, like five times in the scene. And then every time it's like but now I'm getting over past that point, corey, because that get annoyed or have like a big to do about nudity or language in movies or just in general, like obviously here it's like it's done tastefully, it's there for a reason, like there's, it's built into the story, like it's not. It's not a slasher movie where it's like well, we gotta have sex in it, you know.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, I mean, I'm a huge fan of slasher films. Which is gratuitous nudity? Yeah and I don't know why that doesn't bug me. I think it's just because it became a staple of it. It's like all right, they showed their boobs. It's kind of like, oh, they're going to die. Yeah, Like you know, it's more of that, whereas, like I have gotten to the age where, like Game of Thrones was a little like I don't know that we had to see this entire cast naked at all to tell this who have a problem with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I didn't make a big deal out of it, I was just more like this seemed like a lie If someone gets mad, like my dad was mad.
Speaker 1:Somebody said like the F word in something we were watching and I just wanted all of. I had to hold every movie and be like who cares.
Speaker 2:Who cares?
Speaker 1:Like you're focusing on all the wrong things.
Speaker 2:That's a whole other west like and I write, I like, like, I write prose fiction in like, I have to like, battle this idea of like. Well, when I release this, I have a lot of friends who are going to go. Well, why did you write this? Why is it? Because it's authentic and I'm like well, because this is how people talk in real life yes, you know, and this is, like, I think, a lot of christians.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that's what we're talking about, conservatives are in their bubble and they get upset when you know so. And so is naked-so is naked, or so-and-so says bad words, and I'm like you're focusing on the wrong things.
Speaker 2:All right, yeah, because I mean like I'm Christian but I'm liberal, so I'm like this kind of unicorn.
Speaker 1:Sure, yeah, right, right right.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of what I'm saying and you do kind of get frustrated when you have to focus.
Speaker 1:That's not what the focus should be about. It gets weird, but they don't get it.
Speaker 2:So I will say that when I went to see this in theaters, I remember explicitly my dad sitting down going this is so dumb, I know how this movie ends. I remember thinking like you know he's right Like this boat's going to sink, everyone's gonna die well, this, are they gonna dodge the iceberg this time. But this isn't a tarantino movie where he kind of changes, changes um, I will say this, though let me ask you this is this okay?
Speaker 2:so the three-hour epic, that's not new no, that's lawrence of arabia, that's dr chivago it's gone with the wind, it's these massive hollywood epics yeah but they died off they did for, like in the 80s, for the 90 minute movie yeah and, but is this the return of it? I?
Speaker 1:think I take the return of the three-hour movie, because we haven't really left them since well, when did braveheart come out? Okay, braveheart, maybe before I think in the 90s I think you're right that there became a resurgence of longer movies because, like the hollywood epic, because it was like if you make an epic you'll get oscars, basically.
Speaker 2:That's what it was, wasn't it? Everybody's like, oh, if we make a really long movie, that's serious. The Oscars will just be like ooh, and I'm like Braveheart's.
Speaker 1:three hours, Two hours and 58 minutes. What's Last of the Mohicans? How long is that movie? It is.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me ask you this Is this the first? Really digestible Hollywood epic, because Titanic doesn't necessarily feel like three hours like a lot of them do, right well, here's here's.
Speaker 1:The thing about that I realized on my rewatch today was that it's a movie in two parts. The first half is a romance and the second half is a tragedy. Uh, disaster movie and it shifts, but it it eases you into it. Yeah, like you're like in a normal movie we would have cut at an hour and a half or like hour and 40 and they would have got off the boat and ran away and been in love forever.
Speaker 2:But the iceberg shows I'm so glad you bring this up.
Speaker 1:Did you own the movie?
Speaker 2:I did so you had the two vhs I did and how often did you put in the first vhs?
Speaker 1:I mean when I watched it see I'm from.
Speaker 2:I'm from a like a whole generation of kid that just put in the second no no, no, yeah, well, because you're like well, this is the cool stuff yeah, this is the boat sinking like when you watch it with your like, with other, with a group of people like you watch the whole movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they want to watch the whole movie. I just remember as a kid you just put in the second tape.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like, here's an hour and a half of this boat here's a 90 minute disaster movie. That's pretty great and I you know it's debatable. I I've had this argument with are in the second or first tape too. I think that the second tape started with boobs and went into the disaster.
Speaker 1:I think the second movie it's, it's. The cut is when the captain says now you'll get your headline and it cuts and you jump to the next movie and that's, and the next scene is when Jack and Rose get caught for having with a picture and they frame him for the heart of the ocean.
Speaker 2:So the boobs are in the first, the first movie. Yeah, so for the heart of the ocean. So the boobs are in the first take, the first movie. Yeah. So you gotta rewind. So you had to give up Kate Winslet's nude scene if you didn't want to watch the first take, or you just watch the very end of that take Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you rewind about 20 minutes, hit play. I don't know why, I know this anyway.
Speaker 2:So all right, okay, but I do remember. That's the thing.
Speaker 1:Titanic begat Pearl Harbor, begat Tristan and Isolde and all these epic romance movies that they tried to cash in on the Titanic craze. But it's not as well made. That is the thing. That's the thing.
Speaker 2:Titanic. You could watch both tapes and be fine, pearl Harbor. I never put that first tape in ever so it I just said.
Speaker 1:Second tape they're bombing pearl harbor I want to see the part because I haven't seen pearl harbor, so it's good to know the second tape is literally the bombing of pearl harbor got it it's all, it's literally just same thing.
Speaker 2:It's like, okay, here's a hour. It's kind of like return of the king.
Speaker 1:Like the second half is just all battles yeah, it's all like there are battles to start, but it's like right after the witch king shows up and you're like, okay, well, this is when the real battle starts, when the Rohim show up and stuff. But I think for us, for our generation, I think this is the first time you really actually watched a lengthy movie like this.
Speaker 1:No yeah, I remember my parents sending me down to try to watch, or my mom to watch Sound of Music or something, and I think we tried watching Gone with the Wind in school. But you can't watch four hours in 45 minutes.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:You have to take a whole week to watch that. I don't know that. I've still watched it all the way through in one sitting.
Speaker 2:I need, I want to, I want to, just because, yeah, to have that on your list. Yeah, yeah, I did it, I did it. I sat through all of it. Um, I just every time I've ever forced myself to do it, I've. It's not worth it yeah like 2001 space odyssey. It's like I don't feel proud for having sit through. I've sat through it once. I want to sit through again. I do want to watch it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was it was a it was a late night kind of watch where I was not able to. I was falling asleep. But uh, let me ask you this, corey, uh, the framing device with Bill Paxton's character hunting for the, the heart of the ocean, and old Rose shows up to tell us the story.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you like it and do you think it's necessary?
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever been asked this because I'm kind of like this is the first time I've heard her think like is this necessary? Not really.
Speaker 1:It's not really necessary. I think that, given the things we've talked, about Holy shit, that's not necessary.
Speaker 2:I don't think we need it.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not no-transcript, far removed from what you would see some sea diver using right now and it's really not focused on that. But you're getting like this modern context for it and I think that helps ease you into this period piece a bit, versus like cause for me, like it's hard to get for me to watch like a period piece no matter what, and especially when you're like it's a big romance.
Speaker 1:And so when you're suddenly going like, oh, it's like a underwater sea thing, okay, and they're, they're trying to find stuff in it, all right, that's kind of cool. And then also just their seamless transitions with, like the Titanic itself. Why does the CGI look just as good as something from from yesterday, corey? Let me ask you that. I mean, we know the answer because it's money and time spent into it. But like that right there with the ship and everything, when they shift from the modern context to the, to the flashback, to the start of the actual story, everything looks great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean like I don't know it's I. I'm still like sitting here processing the whether we need Bill Paxton's part or not. I will say this I think you need the ending, like I think we need to see her telling the story yeah or it would be really weird if it just ends and she's on the boat seeing the Statue of Liberty, and that's that's credit. You know, that's her doing the living. Her saw Callaghan, yeah, it's that.
Speaker 1:but it's also her, because the whole story is about her and Jack and about how Jack, kind of like, helps her. Because what you're seeing in the first half of the movie is just how she's trapped in this class system and she's forced, being forced to marry Cal and she's the way that the story is being told is like she just feels trapped in, like her only options to jump and then by the end of the movie she's she has a new lease on life. So it's good to see that. I know you hit the photos and stuff she carries around with, but you're getting to see that she lived like this full, happy, adventurous life.
Speaker 2:You know, I think that's all. It is Okay, so I've never had to think about this really. I've never questioned the framing device. What I would say is that I think you need a framing device. I think that James Cameron maybe made the mistake where he put himself in the movie. Like he said oh I went and I dove so that are exploring the Titanic looking for this treasure, and then they find it could have just been a woman on her deathbed wanting to tell her daughter the story.
Speaker 1:It could have been Curious Case of Benjamin Button. Basically, it would have literally just been something simple yeah.
Speaker 2:Instead of something so kind of weirdly niche.
Speaker 1:But at the same time that makes it unique.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, it does make it unique.
Speaker 1:Because we've seen the whole like let me recant. This is like hey, I'm trying to find this diamond and you claim to have known it. Where's it at, or whatever. Yeah, so I think it is unique and it makes it interesting and kind of pulls you in more because even like his co-worker, like the co-captain guy's like he's sitting there going. She's an actress, she's lying, you know, she just wants attention. And by the end he's even sitting there going. He's like, sitting there, the freaking captain knew the iceberg was coming. Man, what the crap?
Speaker 2:yeah so like I mean, like I think it's yeah, I've never thought of that question, but I think like, yeah, it does make it unique yeah, for sure, but maybe it's a little like to james cameron inserting his passion, but that's the other thing I was thinking about watching.
Speaker 1:This is like the other reason that it works. It's not a typical period piece in the sense that it doesn't have the dryness that movies from this period or before had. Especially the 80s had a hard time with period pieces. They all felt dry and stuff.
Speaker 1:To me, yeah but this it's, it's the, it's the modern mindset of james cameron. You're talking about a guy that made aliens and terminator is making a movie about an old 1920s or 1910s sunken ship, and it's also leonardo caprio. Leonardo caprio has so many moments that are like I would. It's, it's the 90s thing, I think, like will smith does it in independent states.
Speaker 1:The levity moments the Han Solo character that's inserted into all this poshness and stuff that makes that kind of gives it levity. Like like when they're trying to climb up the boat as it's sinking and this guy's like doing the Lord's Prayer though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. He's like can you walk a little faster please? And you're like that's. I was like Will Smith could say that line, leo could say that line. It works for them and it gives it this 90s modern vibe that in any other movie you'd be like this movie's a little dry or it's like too much, you know, but it's necessary too because of the context of what's going on. Like in that moment people are dying, all you're seeing characters that you followed for the past two hours just dropping left and right and you're seeing a lot of terrifying things.
Speaker 1:So it's good to have a little bit of like okay, we're still here, we're still going, let's keep moving yeah, okay, no, that's good, that's good, that's good and as much as we want to talk about Leonardo DiCaprio being, like the heartthrob guy, the flip side of this coin, of this story, you know, rose, played by Kate Winslet, this movie doesn't work. If she's not it, you know, because I think she, I think she doesn't get enough credit for it working as much because of her, oh my God, because she's, she's incredible, because she's a, she's a babe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then B.
Speaker 1:that's the thing about the first half of the story. You could have this tragedy about the boat and you really wouldn't care. You'd just be like, oh, it's cool. But then you actually get to know both characters and you see that she's this intelligent young woman who can stand on her own.
Speaker 2:Well, let me ask you this Do you think she just got overshadowed by one of the most famous nude scenes of the 90s?
Speaker 1:Kind of.
Speaker 2:Like I think that maybe all it is. It's like her performance and her, I mean obviously she goes on to win multiple Oscars like later in life she's a ridiculously good actress. But, like, maybe the reason she's overshadowed in this movie and we don't talk about her like we talk about Leo, is because she's just famous for showing her boobs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, think it's leo, leo outshined everybody breaks a star, it breaks everything uh, it's, it's the nudity scene, because that's all people wanted to talk about and it's also because we were in this weird era and we're still there. It hasn't left anywhere but like they were so damning about her weight forever, it was like she was like kind of they talked about her like she was fat and it was like this constant conversation and that's and you think about, like in the early 2000s like you, you're really talking about the zeitgeist of the 90s.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the supermodel era of like and the 2000s. Crawfords and like, everyone had to be stick thin, stick thin.
Speaker 1:Paris hilton in the 2000s like I'm glad that we're slowly evolving out of that, because now everybody's looking at aria granda going are you okay, like, oh my gosh, I don't even worry about her.
Speaker 2:And in the, in the cynthia, in vero, whatever her name is. She also looks like she's about to die.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, with Ariana, it's very obvious. You're just like are you okay? What's going on? Even people that are like. I've talked to people that are like I don't really like Ariana, but I'm kind of worried about her.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they both look bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like I'm just kind of worried. You know I don't post the release of the movie. Everybody kind of like making fun of her for her weight and stuff and it being this and now you rewatch, you're like she's a babe, she looks great. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:That's weird. I mean I guess I don't remember that much of that conversation when it was happening but you know my, my thing would be like. It's like 1912, man right, yeah, if anything she's, she's casted perfectly for the time period that they're in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, marilyn monroe was a curvy woman I mean the people that they considered was like. Gwyneth paltrow was apparently considered. Uh, reese witherspoon reportedly went on a rider, but that makes sense because you know she's went on a rider in the 90s. And then claire daines was apparently considered right.
Speaker 2:I'm glad they didn't go there daines is the only one that in there that like, like can handle it Because I just feel like you needed a different kind of actress. I think you really needed not just kind of a look.
Speaker 1:Well, it's that thing we talk about all the time of like you've got your star, You've got Leo.
Speaker 2:Kate Winslet is also so good, and Kate Winslet was kind of a no-name at the time.
Speaker 1:She'd done some smaller movies before that. So it's like if you have an established star or somebody that you know you're banking on, people are going to come watch the movie, for that allows you to bring up somebody that's fresh. But it also allows your movie to not just be Zendaya and Tom Holland are making a movie together. You know what I mean Like it's two celebrities like being together in a movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm glad Kate Winslet's the girl. I can't imagine anyone no.
Speaker 1:Well, especially in a rewatch. Yeah, she just nails it. She has such a unique look too, being a redhead, being her body type and stuff. It just fits the role, it fits the movie, it fits everything about it. That's going on.
Speaker 2:No, because I think one of the strongest parts of Titanic is it's kind of perfectly casted. Yeah, no, it is. No one sucks in it, no one.
Speaker 1:And we've talked about her physique and her appearance and stuff a lot, but she nails the character of rose. People don't talk about the character of rose enough. She's. She's the girl that's trapped in the class system. But she's smart, she's intelligent, she has interest. She literally has picasso paintings it's a joke. And then she's like talking about freud with like the top guys at the beginning of the movie. So it's like she's this person who wants to be more and she's trying to fight her way out of it. She sees no way out but then jack kind of offers her way out. And each time in the movie she's given this moment to choose like okay, do I do the safe thing, the smart thing, or like the thing like my mom really wants me to do this, to say so we have money, so she isn't poor and working as a super female empowering character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially for 1997 you know it's very much. Uh, I don't care about any of this yeah, she's.
Speaker 1:You know she's constantly choosing to live a full life versus just like a safe one yeah, so and it is weird because I think it's.
Speaker 2:It's interesting that titanic follows romeo and juliet a year later yeah which that kind of broke leo to a degree yeah, there was a one-two punch of romeo and juliet and uh, titanic with leo, um, but titanic was just such a massive thing. But, like titanic is just kind of romeo and juliet on water, sure?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's literally just starcraft lovers. If there was a sinking world, yeah and it's so. It is kind of the same thing but you know you talk about the cat. It is a perfectly cast movie.
Speaker 2:There's one person that's.
Speaker 1:But there's, there's a it's a thing too, of like it's one of those movies where there were so many people in that you don't really know their name. But when you see them in another movie they go oh that, like when bernard hill was in lord of the rings as king theoden, you went oh, it's the captain from titanic, it's the guy from the mummy, it's. It's the it's. He was in titanic. He wasn't. He's richie, rich's butler. That's right. Like it's a movie that you can point to a lot of these actors and go like oh, it's them they were in titanic like garber and stuff, like the guy that was.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't know where we're at in the podcast. Do we need to do useless critic stats? Let's throw them out.
Speaker 1:We talked a little bit about our first time experience and stuff. Let's hear what the critics had to say.
Speaker 2:Okay, so again, these are just useless critic stats. Doesn't mean the movie's good or bad, though it is Titanic, so it's pretty good 7.9 out of 10 on IMDb. 75 out of 100 is the meta score Okay out of 100 is the meta score. Okay, Rotten Tomatoes, they've changed it from fan review to critic review. It's now two unpronounceable words popcorn-o-meter and tom-o-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma-ta-ma across the board. But a critic score of 88. It's the rare critics like it more okay, fans interest, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that didn't happen a lot, I feel like the reason probably a lot of, but that's probably a lot of retro yeah, probably a lot of people going.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of, like, modern cinephiles just like friends like we have. Yeah, we just gave it two stars, yeah, and they were like, and so because the thing about it is this again when you think about like movies that are successful, movies that are big award-winning box like this movie did both. It swept. It swept at the oscars, I'm pretty sure. If not, it won most of its awards and then it it was the biggest movie ever for a time period before you know, avatar and stuff came out at least at least in a you know, before the inflation stuff gets into conversation it was the biggest movie of our time.
Speaker 1:At that point, yeah, and when I think about like now, I think it affected also how I view like a best picture winner because, like you, you see this come out you're like, yeah, this is what a not a perfect movie, but like one of the greatest movies of all time probably is should feel like where it's, it makes a lot of money, people love it and talk really well.
Speaker 1:Critics and fans alike talk big about it. Like it hit all the checkpoints and that's probably why it's such a big deal. Like, yeah, you had the leo demographic of women and men that wanted to go see him or rose, but then you had people that were like this is a really well-made movie and then you just have people that got word of mouth and kept watching it because it's this big, epic disaster movie at the same time too like it's an impressive movie, no matter what lens you're trying to look at it through, because like I'm sitting here watching it and then like it's the pacing of it, but also like the writing and the small, slow build of characters and stuff.
Speaker 2:Everybody, nobody's wasted no, no, nobody's wasted nobody's most of the and a lot of the characters point back to real life characters.
Speaker 1:They try to capture a lot of moments that are very famous from the titanic the couple hugging each other as the boat sinks.
Speaker 2:That's the. That's the people that owned macy's. She refused to leave them. She said there's actually a line rose has. That's like where you go, I go yeah, that's literally something.
Speaker 1:She told her. Oh, where you jump?
Speaker 2:I jump, yeah, but she said where you go, I go. She refused to get on a boat, told her right and so they said, she said so she went down the ship with her husband okay, that's people that owned macy's. Okay, interesting and so like that's in the movie though she's the second, but we capture that, we capture the band we capture, you know, uh, the guy killing himself. I mean all these like kind of survivor accounts of like no, I saw this and I saw this. The band played until they sent you know yeah and so they capture all these moments.
Speaker 2:Nobody is wasted, even down to the most minor. The guy's saying let's go have a brandy yeah you know that's apparently. Someone said no, that guy literally just went back to the cigar room and just said I'm going down having a drink. Someone said the, the guy set the clock you know, I mean like all this stuff is like survivor accounts.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Yeah, there's so much history stuff and we we could sit here and try to like do a, did it happen Did it not happen that would be the whole podcast because we just have to trust James Cameron.
Speaker 2:He did his homework, man. He did his homework for the most part for the most part, would James Cameron go back and refilm it if he found out that it sang differently.
Speaker 1:Come on, leo, come on. We got CGI. I did it with the blue people, george did it, I can do it Come on and he just stopped.
Speaker 2:I did look up. The Oscars Did not sweep.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought. Best Director Leo not nominated.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Leo was not nominated. Leo got snubbed.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's not.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying he deserves it, I'm just saying it's wild that you know, you think about that.
Speaker 1:It's not the kind of role or performance that Oscars like yeah, did Kate.
Speaker 2:Winslet get nominated. Kate Winslet was nominated, did not win, and then the older woman got nominated, gloria Stewart.
Speaker 1:Old Rose, old Rose, both Roses got nominated. No, leo, no Leo, oscars hates.
Speaker 2:Leo, but none of the Titanic cast won.
Speaker 1:Interesting Best. They need to bring back the ensemble cast at the Oscars. Oh yeah, that was a good one, because that was a good ensemble piece, like Lord of the Rings could have nailed that. You know they could have given an honorary one to the Avengers movies if they wanted.
Speaker 2:And then I think Titanic swept a lot of the technical awards. Yeah for sure, they mainly just nailed most of the technical awards.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, you're watching it today You're just like all of it's the costuming and stuff obviously is on point, but then, yeah, how they made the boat. Look how they made it believable. Like this is not a CGI fest, corey.
Speaker 2:Titanic got best score and best original song, of course it did.
Speaker 1:We would have burned Hollywood down had Celine Dion Not walked away with that.
Speaker 2:I just want to say, though it beat, how Do I Live From Con Air and I kind of disagree.
Speaker 1:It's how Do I Live. Look, corey, I understand, but you're wrong.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'm wrong. I think how Do I Live Is such an emotional song?
Speaker 1:Corey, you can play the penny whistle theme and everybody knows what it's from. Everybody knows the breakdown. We were talking about the drum earlier and just the big pop ballad at the end. I, yeah, everybody knows the breakdown we.
Speaker 2:We were talking about the drum earlier and the and just the big ballad at the end like Nicolas Cage is covered in the blood of 30 men he just murdered to see his daughter. And when Leanne Rimes starts singing and he hands her the bunny, that he's like literally murdered people over and she's like I got a picture of you. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna cry right now. I don't cry when I watch Titanic. You should no, I cry when I watch con air and that song is perfect. So I'm just saying I I don't think it should one. Whatever. This is the year matt damon ben affleck won for best original screenplay okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, the thing about the titanic script is like it's not some mind-blowing thing. It's well put together, like everything works. There's the plot points hit yeah everything and everything's. There's no wasted space on it. I mean, which is hard to say about a three-hour movie, but it it's not it all makes sense and works together I don't want to be a dick.
Speaker 2:I forgot to say roger ebert gave it four stars.
Speaker 1:Well, that's nice of him. Okay, people were wondering. He didn't say anything about it. He just said it's a great movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, well um, hey, while we're on the subject, is this the best soundtrack, original song for a movie of all time?
Speaker 1:like just song by itself I mean like a song made for a movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that's what it is like you have to take the oscars like the power battle the oscars say I mean the oscars have two things. They have like music, not for the movie or like one written for the movie, but it's like best soundtrack or whatever it's the.
Speaker 1:It's the orchestral soundtrack, but then there's, like the song that they wrote for the movie, with a singer usually and it's like uh, but let me look it up, because it got best um it sold more than 18 million copies worldwide. The best-selling single of 98 uh. It has drawn 5 billion cumulative airplay audience and over 728 million official streams in the us alone yeah, well, I mean like, but there's two things.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think there's two versions of this the, the movie song okay I think there's the movie song that says the movie's name, okay. And then there's the we wrote a song for the story of the movie, okay.
Speaker 1:Like there's Ghostbusters Sure.
Speaker 2:There's St Elmo's Fire.
Speaker 1:Okay, it says the name of the movie Men in Black.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wild, wild Wet music, selling records, getting eyes on the product, and I don't. I'm not counting that, okay, I'm talking about the. The footloose is in there too. Footloose is also one of those movies you have to mention, but I'm talking about I will always love you for bodyguard yeah, yeah or you know iris for city usually.
Speaker 1:Usually a power ballad kind of song usually, but like I don't want to miss a thing by aerosmith, yeah, like is?
Speaker 2:is celine dion's better than those gangstersster's Paradise for Dangerous?
Speaker 1:Minds. Holy crap, that song was huge.
Speaker 2:I don't even think people watched the movie. They just saw that song.
Speaker 1:I've never seen the movie, but I can rap every word of Gangster's Paradise, Corey.
Speaker 2:I can tell you right now, Weird Al only covered one song that we mentioned.
Speaker 1:You're probably right Gangster's.
Speaker 2:Paradise, so maybe it wins.
Speaker 1:Gangster's paradise is the greatest. It did it when it didn't win an oscar corey, though I feel like that has to be part of the equation, right I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, we know the oscars are rigged and it's all money I think. I think in 1995 they were probably racist towards coolio getting an oscar.
Speaker 1:So like I mean you're probably right. I mean eminem had not broken through that glass ceiling yet, and then and then allowed like bone.
Speaker 2:Is it bone thugs in harmony that did the I'm sorry, it's sad to say, but 95, there were probably a bunch of white guys going. Can we give an oscar to a black guy for a song about gangsters?
Speaker 1:is that allowed? Are we?
Speaker 2:are we allowed to do that so?
Speaker 1:yeah, the heart out there for a pimp by three, six mafia after hustle and flow won the award that one time eminem broke through, but but you're right, they probably were like, well, that's a rap song we can't have that at the Oscars.
Speaker 2:It's like them in horror movies, Like we can't give it to them and then a white guy did it and they're like well, I guess it's okay. Oh, man. So I mean like either way it's got to be up there. No, yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm glad we're having this conversation at least it like a list of soundtrack or movie songs.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I'm not. I'm discounting all that.
Speaker 1:Say the name Let me, let me, let me take a different, a little, a little side note here, corey, real quick, at the time of my life. Oh yeah, that's a good one, that's a good one, but let me, let me ask you this one, though, corey. So we've talked about songs that plays all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Should they be considered one of the greatest movie bands of all time?
Speaker 2:We don't bring them up in conversation.
Speaker 1:We don't.
Speaker 2:Because we've talked a lot about Bands. Here's the problem, though we talk a lot about fictitious bands.
Speaker 1:Yes, like Stillwater Wonders, those guys were real. They were real, they were real, and on the same token, though, should they be fame you know what they really should I mean what's more metal than going? We're gonna play until this ship sinks, because we're trying to. It's all we can do and it's the only thing we can do to help people yeah, no.
Speaker 2:What's more metal, what's more rock and roll than that?
Speaker 1:we should write a letter I want a letter made right now. On the ballot they qualify they're over 25 years old. Overdue, 75 plus years overdue, cory so we want the band from the titanic in the Titanic. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to say. I think it's awesome. They'd probably be the oldest ones, probably Probably yes, but that's okay.
Speaker 2:That's fine, we need to go back.
Speaker 1:While we're at it, Beethoven, Mozart, those guys were rock and roll.
Speaker 2:You know what's weird? I wonder why they don't ever think about that. How come Beethoven's never been retroactively included in the rock? Because there's no electric guitar?
Speaker 1:we're just now getting to the point where run, dmc and a lot of rap groups, ll cool, j and stuff are getting considered. So I wonder if there's some stipulation of like that it's pop music versus so rock and roll really, for that organization is just a weird.
Speaker 2:It's a better word, yeah, for uh pop they don't want to do the pop music. Yeah, yeah, because madonna's in it, right, and stuff like that I mean like it's, they don't want to do the pop music. Yeah, yeah, because madonna's in it right now, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I mean like it's they're all cool jays in it, like you could call it the popular music hall of fame or something. But yeah, rock and roll just rolls off the tongue better it sounds cooler yeah and it was rock and roll for years before they finally went okay, you can get in, you can get in, you can get in so I don't see.
Speaker 2:I'm just googling it because I'm wondering have they ever put uh beethoven in the Rock and Roll of Fame? It does not look like it, which seems.
Speaker 1:Man, I'm going to write a letter. Well, they should.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, why isn't? Come on man, it's Ludwig von Beethoven.
Speaker 1:Like talk about. These dudes were rock stars in their time.
Speaker 2:There's nothing more rock and roll.
Speaker 1:No, the first non-rock band inducted was Ray Charles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then it's like ray charles he was rock and roll personality, he's a blind black right that was playing like kick-ass blues music, you know and probably in places that people didn't want him no, yeah, for sure it's little richard. I think he's the most rock and roll guy that ever lived right gay black man like just going across the south music just giving a finger to everybody, yeah they're like I don't know what, I don't know what this guy's deal is, but but man can he play music.
Speaker 1:That's a good song All right.
Speaker 2:So okay, we at least agree that it's probably top five.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely. Movie songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. It's top five and an eight, five or four, corey, I'm going to put it, and it's probably not three Top five right now.
Speaker 2:just looking at this list, it is literally going to be Iris.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's Gangster's Paradise. It's. I Will Always Love you, yeah. It is this one my Heart Will Go On my.
Speaker 2:Heart Will Go On and I'd give it to. I Don't Want to Miss a Thing by Aerosmith.
Speaker 1:And that's probably more, because that's just More us, our pick, maybe more us, but also that song a time at middle school dances.
Speaker 2:The only reason I'm taking I've had the Time of my Life out is just because it's.
Speaker 1:It's leaning into the pop 80s stuff a bit. It's a cringe.
Speaker 2:It's just like the most memorable part of that song is just Patrick Swayze lifting her over his head.
Speaker 1:You've never been lifted by Patrick Swayze, have you, corey? I don't know. Well, you haven't lived yet.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you, I can tell you the way. Just to end the music thing. I think every James Bond song sucks.
Speaker 1:You don't like any James Bond song.
Speaker 2:I think it's weird that it's a franchise that's got like 80,000 movies in it and they all have their own song. I think every James Bond song sucks.
Speaker 1:Skyfall doesn't do it for you. Skyfall's dumb. I hate it. The Chris Cornell, you Know my Name, I don't like Adele because her boyfriend. Goldeneye didn't do it for you.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Diamonds are forever. They're all the same song.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a Tim Pops song. It's just like singing the movie title to really slow music Titanic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it would have been Going down for love.
Speaker 2:Titanic. You're going to have to switch it up and let Chris Stapleton do the next James Bond song for me Let. Oasis, do it All right james bond song for me. Let oasis do it all right, we're only gonna get shot one time with this oasis.
Speaker 1:Get on here, get it done. All right, so, but but let me wrap up our all our random thoughts we've had. But when you think of best picture, cory, like, does this like come to mind, like, is this a thing? When you think of, like the qualities or qualifications of what should be a best picture movie, does this kind of movie come to mind for you? Is it? Is it the more dry, like oscar bait type crap? Or is it like, oh, it needs to be experimental or does something? Because I feel like this again, it hits the checkpoints of box office, critics, reviews, audience scores, but also like it's using it's advancing technology, like the stuff that they use to shoot the movie. Yeah, it's, it's a huge launching point for a lot of actors and stuff. At the same time, it's a story that's done well and told well, like all these things can be, can exist, but if it's not a good story, it doesn't matter I think titanic is probably like one of the most digestible hollywood oscar bait movies is what it is.
Speaker 2:I think it just kind of. I think it found that perfect gray area to where everyone can be happy with it I think that's the thing is.
Speaker 1:Except for modern cinephiles it doesn't crap on it Like they crap on Forrest Gump. Yeah, it doesn't feel like an Oscar bait movie to me. It feels like James Cameron just really loved water and sunken ships and said well, oscar bait. I mean it's a three hour epic. Sure.
Speaker 2:That kind of like mimcar bait, in the sense of like it's a biopic about the titanic yeah, it's a real life thing that happened.
Speaker 1:It's a historical drama, yeah but it's watchable it's really good the a.
Speaker 2:It's got great music it's got a great story it's got. It's not being pretentious. That's the thing.
Speaker 1:It's never pretentious no, I think that's the thing. That's why it's so accessible, because I think having the cast not be a bunch of British people a lot of them have British or American accents they're all just Americans coming back to America. They're not British people going like, well, we're going to go over to America now, I guess. But I think that makes it a little more accessible, all these small decisions, I think yeah help make it more accessible.
Speaker 1:But looking at james cameron's like filmography, like you know he before this he's making. Let me just try to pull this out of.
Speaker 2:So this is not his filmography wouldn't before this been like that arnold schwarzenegger movie true lies, true lies. You know terminator 2s. Before this been like that?
Speaker 1:arnold schwarzenegger movie true lies true lies you know terminator 2s, before this, the abyss. Uh, you know aliens. Like there's nothing on his filmography that makes you go. Yeah, he's gonna make a period.
Speaker 2:Did he did that? Did he matthew mcconaughey this? Did he just make a bunch of throwaway movies and then say like, okay, I have enough money now to make my dream project, dream project. He got his blank check situation he made just banked 5050 million worth of romantic comedies. And then he's like all right, I'll make Dallas Buyers Club now I could see that.
Speaker 1:I could see your argument there for sure. I mean, he did, he solidified his name. Yeah, he could take a risk.
Speaker 2:And he'd say y'all are going to give me $200 million to make a movie about this boat that sank and everyone I made Terminator 2.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I'm saying, like the run that he goes on before this. So obviously he did Piranha 2, but then he does, but then it's Terminator, aliens, the Abyss, terminator 2, true Lies and then Titanic. Nothing in that says like I'm gonna make a period piece about the Titanic.
Speaker 2:You know Well, I mean Piranha, it's some water based stuff. So there's, there's those hints yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's like okay. So clearly this guy has an affection for water.
Speaker 2:He wants to do water like his alien movies. Everything's wet and dripping. Right, you're right. Okay, all right, he's just a water guy, he's a water fetish guy.
Speaker 1:We don't shame. We don't shame. Yeah, this is. Yeah, there's a story. I'm doing a quick, half-assed research here. Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to see yeah, he had a long fascination with shipwrecks and for the Titanic was the Mount Everest of shipwrecks quoted by him. Okay, so he was almost past the point in his life he thought he could consider an undersea expedition, but he said he had a mental restlessness. So like, yeah, it's just it. Basically, he was interested at the whole time You're a screech room treatment, uh, with 20th century Fox and pitched it as Romeo titanic.
Speaker 1:So we're, we're right on, on cue here, cory nice so yeah, it's, it's all tied into his shipwreck stuff and wanting to look into it. So just, it kind of was like this perfect melding of hey, I want to, I want to do this, I want to look at titanic, I want to go to everest. So instead of him killing people and going to mount everest, he went to the bottom of the ocean and made this movie. You can't make a romance about everest cory.
Speaker 2:They tried no wait, did they try to make a romance?
Speaker 1:oh, what's it called? What's it called, uh, vertical limit. Oh yeah, they tried that and I don't know if that was even everest. It might be k2 or something like that. They were too scared to go for the big everest. What was it was was vertical limit on everest question mark. I love that. We're just no it see I'm climbing k2. They're too scared, cory. They're too scared to make an Everest movie. That's where James Cameron needs to go next. He's a coward. I bet you won't, james Cameron, you coward, you billionaire coward, you're going to stay in your little far off space world On the blue planet. You're too afraid to go to the heights. Have you seen Everest recently?
Speaker 2:It's full of trash. Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the world. No, no, no, well, because you can't bring.
Speaker 1:If you die on there, you're left there yeah, they can't bring you down, there's just trash on top of it. Somebody took a selfie and it's just like all this campground stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because you have to abandon everything up there it's crazy I mean like that's why they made. Like john krakauer wrote he was a part of that everest thing yeah, you've seen the movie with like uh, jake gyllenhaal oh, okay, yeah uh, that really happened. And jake gyllenhaal may be playing john cracker.
Speaker 1:I don't remember oh, the 2015 movie?
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, like they tried and he wrote that book and they make that movie and he's kind of condemning the tourism of everest.
Speaker 1:He's kind of condemning like hey, there's like these companies that, yeah, you have to pay them like a hundred grand or something stupid to go up there and there's no guarantee you're gonna get up there, but also they're just trashing the mountain and they're not all that qualified and they're just hiring local help and he's like it's, it's just dangerous yeah, because you're you're more, you have a more of a chance to die than you do to successfully get up the mountain yeah we're not talking about mountains core, we're talking about titanic, and do you have any other remaining thoughts here?
Speaker 2:any questions concerns things that you may have noticed I mean, like can I just say I hate the ending of the movie. Okay, I hate that that old woman throws that necklace it makes no sense. It makes no sense. She's 101 years old. She's 100 years old and it's like bill paxton just sat down and listened to your dumb story, entire story gave you all of his attention flew out there on his helicopter, told you he's just and it's in your pocket for this damn.
Speaker 2:He's Captain Ahab and you literally have the white whale in your pocket.
Speaker 1:You just can't give.
Speaker 2:What does the ocean need with it, man?
Speaker 1:You're not Indiana Jones, You're not trying to put it in a museum. You're giving this weird like oh, I'm going to drop the ocean for my crush. I had over my Atlantic cruise one time.
Speaker 2:There's no nothing that says that Bill Paxton might not have had to change a heart after the story and put it in a museum.
Speaker 1:Right, he might not have sold it. He might have just been like dude, this is a big thing. Yeah, there's an alternate ending, corey.
Speaker 2:What is it? She doesn't throw the thing in the ocean, she still does.
Speaker 1:Damn it, it's just dumber, okay. So basically, paxton and I may have seen this. It's almost like she's some super villain at the end and she's explaining her plot or something.
Speaker 2:Oh, I have seen this. They're like don't do it, she's holding it over the water.
Speaker 1:It's terrible. It is poorly written. I'm so glad they changed it, because it makes no sense. But the other question, though, is do you think Rose is dead at the end of the movie?
Speaker 2:I've never heard that one, you, just I. So I've never thought, I've never, I've never heard that when you just brought that one up where, like she gets back, she throws the necklace in the in the ocean like a selfless selfish.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just ruins Bill Paxton's life in the millions of dollars he sunk into finding the stupid necklace and she just threw it into a random part of the ocean and I've never heard that. So she goes back to bed and it goes through her pictures of her life and you've heard that she's dead.
Speaker 1:Like that that. So she goes back to bed and it goes through her pictures of her life and you've heard that she's dead, like that's her last. I think it's alluded to because, like, yeah, you see her in the bed, you're going through all the photos of her life and then she you go into like her dream and it goes down into the water. So you're saying the atlantic finally got her, finally got her. The last titanic person. It was finally like all right, gotcha. Because like again, yeah, she's going. It's the whole like cast ensemble thing at the end.
Speaker 2:They're all there and Leia's waiting. It's kind of a grease ending. Yeah, the car flies off and really they're dead.
Speaker 1:You're right, but I think that's the intended thing of it. But I don't know if it's been confirmed or not, and maybe some Titanic head will confirm it for us or something. I've always more wrestled with the theory that the big Galuf guy is right and she's lying oh, yeah, or that jack dawson was never real because, in the terms of the story, yeah, yeah because like yeah, I mean he, none of like.
Speaker 2:I think him and rose are definitely not real right, yeah, cal's not real. No, like a lot of the main characters are not real, but they're surrounded by real people yeah, like molly brown, the captain, and the andrews guy but or the whatever, um and so like uh, but I I've always kind of thought like they they do and they kind of allude to it.
Speaker 1:There's no record of this guy and that's because you won the tickets in a poker game.
Speaker 2:Blah blah and I'm always like wondering like, is she lying or is she just miss? Like remembering? Is she old?
Speaker 1:she had to mention, did she just make up this entirely like huge story or maybe she just wanted to mess with them a bit, yeah, yeah, I mean, she has the heart of the ocean, you know, so she had to have been on the boat. Yeah, so I guess it is confirmation that she wasn't lying or she was on the boat yeah but it's was the whole thing with jack real or not.
Speaker 2:How do we know? She just didn't steal the dude's diamond and like also true, and he actually wasn't a bad guy, or?
Speaker 1:she was she or she was the poor person. Yeah, they have to be on the boat and stole the diamond. She, she swindled billy zane. Billy zane's the best. He turned out to be a saint. He was a good guy the whole time and she made him turn out to be a jerk.
Speaker 2:His name, that's right so, um well, I will say that, like when we were, we just caught the ending before we we we watched this yeah and I thought it was funny because she's on the boat, she's on the carpathia in it, the yeah that the titanic survivors went to, and billy zane's looking for her and she says that's the last time I ever saw him. Uh, he, you, you know, whatever. Got his fortune, got his fortune, but then the stock market crash hit him and he put a gun in his mouth.
Speaker 1:And she's like, or so I heard.
Speaker 2:And I've never. You're the one that heard this line. She said it facetiously. She killed him.
Speaker 1:That's an even better theory. She tracked him down and murdered him. It's a Kill Bill-style sequel, style sequel. Everybody wants the that's the movie I want, everybody wants the jacks back from the dead, like they unfroze them 80 years later. Like thing it's like. No, I want rose after her couple 10 years, two I want she's, she tracks down cal and just shoots him and shoots him and they're like well, I guess the stock market crash really got to him.
Speaker 2:It's a shame really. She makes him look at the, the heart of the ocean, before she does it.
Speaker 1:She's like that's right she's like, she's like, I'll get he's. She's like she she creates.
Speaker 2:She's the one that starts the stock market crash or I mean, if he's the bad guy, it could be. He has sent people out to find her because she still hasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, john wicks it and goes and hunts him down but but. So she creates the stock market to crash and then I don't know if she could cause that anyway movie, movie semantics, we'll it happen.
Speaker 1:So she gets him on his knees. He's poor and broke, got nothing left. She pulls it out and she's like I'll give this to you, I know it'll solve all your problems. I just want you to admit that you frame Jack.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he does, and then she shoots him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, that's a better movie. It's better than Titanic 2 we got 2. There's literally a movie called Titanic 2.
Speaker 1:There's also a ship called Titanic 2.
Speaker 2:I told Nick it would be better if they had made a Titanic 2 where it's about them rebuilding a Titanic and it just got somewhere safely Right, because it's stupid to make a Titanic 2 and the same thing happens.
Speaker 1:A 16-foot cabin cruiser named Titanic 2 sank on its maiden voyage in 2011.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a 16-foot cabin cruiser. That's not Titanic 2.
Speaker 1:That maiden voyage in 2011. Yeah, a 16 foot, that's not the same thing. That's not the same plane passenger ocean layer tended to be a functional modern day replica of the olympic class rms titanic. Uh, and the titanic keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, it's a small ship in comparison to like these cruises they all like to hop on to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's like this, like half, it's, like a quarter of the size.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's it's super small. Like more people. Like people. Yeah, what did they say? There was 2,022 souls on the Titanic. Yeah, how many people are on like?
Speaker 2:the biggest cruise ships On a cruise ship 10,000 to 15,000 or something like that.
Speaker 1:Why have we not made a movie about like a ship like that going down? I don't know, I guess maybe there's technology that can help us avoid icebergs. You know why the Titanic sank. Why.
Speaker 2:Rivets.
Speaker 1:Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Like rivets.
Speaker 1:Like in the boat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like when they were making it, they sped it up for production because they weren't going to get done. So like when you're putting all that plate metal on the side there's like a required amount of rivets and a type of rivet you're supposed to put into it. They like used less and they used a cheaper rivet, so so when the iceberg hit, it just ripped all that stuff to shreds.
Speaker 1:So it was doomed from the start because they it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because some guy said, ah, less rivets, it's a modern it's a modern blockbuster.
Speaker 1:They rushed it, they, they, they put a patch on it called CGI. I said it'd be good and then it hit an iceberg. Well, I mean that. And it's also just as it's never gonna go the second of the captain. You realize it's his last, it's his last trip, it's his last ship. He's like I'm gonna go home after this and retire, basically like oh, that ship's going down, dude.
Speaker 2:I, I'm telling you right now, man, if I owned, uh like an ocean liner and the captain said that, I'd say get the hell out.
Speaker 1:No, get off. A new guy, new guy, please. Yeah, new guy, new, new. You could come do this after, like it's fifth voyage.
Speaker 2:That's like if you were a cop and they assigned you your partner. And he said, as my last year on the force.
Speaker 1:I'd be like no, I want a new partner, absolutely not. What's your name, denzel?
Speaker 1:absolutely not so um give me give me a like, a mid-tier yeah, yeah some, somebody, somebody, yeah, like not a top tier guy, not a guy on the way out, just give me some regular joe, that's gonna just play it by the rules. When the guy's like we gotta go faster, we gotta turn on all the engines, I'm gonna be like, no, we're gonna follow this by the book. All right, avarice, corey. Avarice is what sunk the titanic, not rose. Yes, I'm just reading. Okay, go ahead. Uh, well, I'm just like you know the whole, like reading's important.
Speaker 2:I'm reading just like on, like some of these people that like, obviously Kathy Bates plays Molly Brown and she was apparently on the Titanic and the Lusitania.
Speaker 1:She's on like the two most famous American shipwrecks. And she survived both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's why they called her unsinkable. But you know, there was a woman named Violet Jessup that survived three.
Speaker 1:Wow, she survived. I feel like at that point you have to wonder if you're cursed. Yeah, I'm just not getting back on like a boat with you absolutely.
Speaker 2:I already have trepidation like traveling and stuff, but you kind of get over it once you're in the air and it's there's nothing you can really do. But she survived the rms olympic sinking, the rms titanic sinking in the hmhs britannic sinking goodness man what a badass man.
Speaker 1:Well, the another thing about this movie we talked about, like you know, the avarice of, like the greed and the rushing of the job, but like there's also all this classist stuff that's going on and yeah, yeah, there's a class clearly like the head honcho. People are just so up their own asses and stuff that they don't even see the literal ship sinking in front of them. Makes me think of things.
Speaker 2:But anyway, moving on, nothing modern, you know it's wild, though it's like it's the opposite on a plane like the back of the plane yeah no one wants to sit in. That's the safest place yeah, the plane goes. First class. You are so dead.
Speaker 1:You're dead. You are so dead. I don't know why people want to sit up front, yeah, other than like the nice seats.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if it goes down, you are so dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's, there's a. You're mostly dead no matter what. Yeah, but you have a much higher chance of not being dead if you're in the back is. We've all been doing it and I get that, not everybody. It gets to travel that often. But, like, how hard is it to get up? Wait your turn, grab your bag from above you and walk out oh yeah, I mean it's, it's annoying. It's an. It's mind-numbingly annoying like and I'm not even trying to be like, I'm just like why is this so hard?
Speaker 2:we, we know how this works it's just like being on a highway that goes down to one lane and there's signs for miles saying get over.
Speaker 1:If everyone just got over when the sign said it, it would just keep going.
Speaker 2:But it's the people that just try to speed to the front, that bottleneck it and you're like, oh cool, we're here longer than we need to be.
Speaker 1:Or there's a wreck and you're like great, I'm stuck here for 30 minutes now and I haven't moved. Corey, let me ask you maybe one of our final questions.
Speaker 2:So Jack wins a poker bet or deal game.
Speaker 1:pumper those dudes that lost the tickets. Yeah, they're like they wake up five days or whatever. That should be in the post-credit scene. Yeah, they're just like, oh shit. They look at the paper and go, oh hell, that's amazing, I didn't, we didn't, we could have died. Yeah, we would have died.
Speaker 2:We're poor you know that dude punches his friend who bet the tickets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he owes him an apology he gets to be like I'll give you one free one. Yeah, I get two. We would be dead, you're right. You're right. Two, two, just same same side, please. Just one to your dick, yeah, the other two, you're welcome so but it's also yeah, if he doesn't win the bet, he never meets rose. Rose probably jumps off the ship, even though leo's like. I didn't think he would do it, but I think she would. I think she there. There was nothing else for she.
Speaker 2:She saw, no, no real thing, she was gonna kill herself.
Speaker 1:She's gonna kill herself and she, and even if she did do that, I mean, I think he gave her the like, not strength, but kind of an ability to see like there is a different way into a new world. Yeah, than me. Just like having to live this life as like somebody's wife oh, dude, we didn't even you know it doesn't count.
Speaker 2:I was like we didn't even like get into disney movie songs written for, but that's, that's kind of. It's a little different. It's a little different. I mean there are, because those are musicals. They're musicals. Yeah, it's built into it.
Speaker 1:It's not just hey, we made a song for the movie to play at the credits or something world.
Speaker 2:And I started yeah singing in my head and I was like, oh my gosh, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, the last question, cory, everybody's waiting on it.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about the door, the door I think I, like you, brought up earlier, like how come more people didn't grab doors off the shit?
Speaker 1:that's what I'm saying, like people just prying doors if I'm, if I'm one of the lower class people and I'm like a, you get the bench, you break through the cage thing. But then I'm seeing, okay, I'm counting and I'm going there's not enough lifeboats. So now I'm sitting there going get this, get the doors they're made of wood.
Speaker 1:Let's go like and just start you know, assembly lining this. You know like let's get them out, you know, and then we can all float on them for a bit as best as you can like, I know it's it's scary, everybody's panicking. But like and and again. This is 20 something years later after I've seen this movie and I said they go, why didn't they just start grabbing doors and just getting on them?
Speaker 1:but anyway, rose is on a door, yeah and rose and jack tried to get on together it. You know it flips on him and he just says you get on it, I'm good. I just feel like had they tried one or two more times they could have got it. They could have got the balance right. It was a big door, Corey.
Speaker 2:It's a big ass door.
Speaker 1:It's another talking point where people want to sit there and go well, a Rose's fat ass. And you're like, okay, rose isn't fat.
Speaker 2:Let's confirm this.
Speaker 1:Let's get it out of the way.
Speaker 2:My question is did she want Jack to die?
Speaker 1:Okay, we spent three hours Corey building this relationship. She's ditched money, her husband, her mother for this poor guy, I think she wants to be with him.
Speaker 2:Hold on. I got a theory.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you were allowed to go on field trips in your sheltered life. I was, I was, but did you ever experience the field trip crush, or did?
Speaker 1:you ever see it Wait, wait, wait, wait, go. Or do you ever see it Wait, wait, wait, wait, go ahead, go on Like you go on field trips.
Speaker 2:I saw it all the time as a kid and like even in high school. So I traveled a lot in band and you go Like we'd go to Disney World and the amount of couples you would see form, so not like a one day to the zoo trip.
Speaker 1:No, we're talking like Disney World. Yeah, I got to go to New York, I got to go to Memphis.
Speaker 2:I got to go to Disney World and stuff like that in high school. These are these things and I would see these couples form. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, but they did not survive the bus ride home because reality set it.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, it's like church camp or mission trip or something. It's your field trip, goggles man, this person's great, you're riding next door, you get to hang out, but then you go home and you go to different schools. You live far apart. You never see each other.
Speaker 2:I would see it with classmates Like on the same bus.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. I would see that that one. That's kind of weird.
Speaker 2:Because that one was like, yeah, I get what you're saying. And that's actually more in line with that Titanic these are strangers.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, she's hot. You're hot like we're just hanging out, we're having fun.
Speaker 2:You're not thinking it's romantic, yeah so like I'm just wondering if rose kind of sees the silver lining on the boat going down like I don't really know what the future was with jack here she, she gets, she sobers up real quick is what you're saying that's what I'm saying. It's the bus pulling back into the parking lot at school and you kind of like this person going like crap. I mean, disney world was fun, but do I really want to?
Speaker 1:Do I really want to be poor and live with this guy and just bounce around from place to place?
Speaker 2:I saw it all the time, nick, I came up with my own theory of like it happened to me, dude, I literally the most mature thing I ever did in high school was a girl asked me if I wanted to be her girlfriend in New York City and I literally explained this theory to her.
Speaker 1:I said no, I look good right now. No, I look good right now. Listen, you got the goggles on. That's just because there's 30 of us here, right like it's. It's a narrower, narrower thing. The greatest city in the world.
Speaker 2:It's magical it feels great, it's like it's snowing outside and like and I, by the standards of only 30 like, I guess really only 12 guy options here. I'm a good looking dude, yeah, but as soon as we get back to school, there's gonna be a hundred more good-looking dudes and this is gonna be over. And she literally agreed with me, nick.
Speaker 1:She was like you saved her, yeah I did, you did her a favor I did her a favor, and so I'm just because if you just said no, she would move on to the next guy. Yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I said hey, don't date anyone right now, because I've seen this blow up in people's faces. I've seen a lot of band kids dump other band kids after the band trip was over.
Speaker 1:It happens at summer camp, it happens in theater, the showmances you spend six weeks with somebody. You see them every night. It works out. And then you're like, oh, I actually don't want to hang out with you anymore.
Speaker 2:Dude, after my freshman year in high school marching band, I made a rule not to sit by a girl on a bus.
Speaker 1:That's probably smart, because things happen apparently.
Speaker 2:I mean, it was just like no, it's just like no, dude the hormones go overload on those buses. And I wasn't trying to date anyone so and like, but I would, I would. I'm just saying, man, maybe there's a world where Rose is like. I think I can see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Like in a world where they both get on like a boat or like the ship doesn't sink, or they get on a survive a raft, and then they make it to America together and then after would they have?
Speaker 2:dude, she goes on her. She's like flying planes around the world.
Speaker 1:She's going to africa. Oh, I see what you're saying. She was, she was, they would have splintered. They would not been together on the journey. Yeah, yeah I.
Speaker 2:I think that she would have wanted to go live life and he would have wanted to live a different life I think he was more of a like. I mean, he's just more of a dude like. He probably would have been more of like. I just want to settle down so I'm glad you brought that.
Speaker 1:I think there's a spiritual sequel that answers your question and it's called revolutionary road. The only other, kate wins at leo movie and they play a couple that got married too, too young or whatever, and then they hate each other that exactly what would happen yeah I'm telling you the the majesticness of the titanic trip.
Speaker 2:Had it just landed would have just worn off man. I think they would have bought themselves I'm glad.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you good you weeks in New.
Speaker 2:York, it's exciting.
Speaker 1:And then she's just kind of like, oh my gosh, he's gonna have all these gross cows be, else just always gonna be like yeah, remember that guy you almost ran off with for no good reason.
Speaker 2:I mean, even if she had dumped cow yeah. I just don't think currently would have worked out. You know he's got all these gross ruffian street kid habits okay, okay, she's gonna. I don't know man, you're worried.
Speaker 1:The class, the class system would have gotten the way yeah, dude, she's molly ringwald.
Speaker 2:I don't think molly ringwald in in john nelson making yeah yeah, okay, you're bringing breakfast club into this. I don't think they make it a week, man. Yeah, you're right. I think saturday detention was. It was hot, it was great.
Speaker 1:There's only five of us there pressures of school society would have made them monday.
Speaker 2:She would have been like I can't handle this. Everyone's making fun of me.
Speaker 1:Yeah my friends aren't willing to hang out like I'm not sitting at the table with them. Yeah, you gotta go.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry that or he would have knocked her up and just she would have to move schools.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:It's one of the two depends on how fast that thing went on Sunday okay, well, your theory removed the door.
Speaker 1:All right, the door. I think there's room, I think they just need it.
Speaker 2:Everyone thinks there's room.
Speaker 1:I think they needed to to it's for the sake of the movie. Sure, he needed to die so that she could go off and live this great life and that you know she would hold on to the heart of the ocean and stuff. But I think there was room. I think they could have made it.
Speaker 2:The only argument I think you down, yeah, like, it's not a matter of like getting the right balance, but then maybe they would have gone, sunk too deep with the boat. Yeah, so at that point, like I can't. I worked at a marine. I worked at marinas for 20 years. Yeah and yes, you can like get on a paddle board and if you get two people on that paddle board, the paddle board might sink just below water. You're both still floating, but like there's an inch of you in water, yeah.
Speaker 2:And they're in dangerously sure it's just like how dangerous is yeah, or two right being frozen water. How much is that going to lower your body like? But it's also to kill you.
Speaker 1:But it's also helpful to have body heat yeah two people together, that helps. So james cameron of course he's gonna make a reason, but he said they couldn't because that, uh, it wouldn't allow them survive. He maintains that they both tried to get on the door. It would have tipped over, make it impossible to stay afloat. Mythbusters experiments on this. They argue that they could have both thrown the door, but Cameron again argued that it's just not sustainable. So it's just kind of I think it's perspective, honestly.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things that I will sympathize with James Cameron as a person who likes to write and stuff. Everyone will always be able to find a loop, or something to poke a hole in. It's the guy you like who made the plot holes video years ago Patrick, or whatever his name is oh, he didn't make pothole thing yeah, the guy, the guy you like, the patrick willems yeah, yeah he made the the whole thing about oh, about plot holes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what you think it is, yeah, yeah, yeah you know because and this was like one of those things people would argue, but it's like no, the story had to end this way right?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know it's. It's just it's people. You make something big enough and it's popular enough, people are going to try to poke holes or find holes in it and it's like, well, that's the story I told like they weren't going to run off.
Speaker 2:It's a tragedy and also I think people don't like. Also, like, if you're in freezing cold water, like your muscles are not, like he may not have physically been able to get on that door.
Speaker 1:That's the other thing because, again, good, good point of will, they got sucked in. He had to. He got sucked down. So he had to swim back to the surface, punch out the dude that was freaking out and trying to drown her to stay afloat and then help her get to the boat.
Speaker 2:So he's exhausted yeah, and like and like cold water is like killing you fast yeah I have fallen in like that cold of water before at the lake and like, like in december before. And the thing is, when you get pulled out like you, you're like essentially stripped of your clothes because your clothes are killing you now and you're like wrapped up in dry stuff. So like I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's a wild thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that scene at the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:I mean like, your muscles are tense. Yeah, you're done, like until you're technically like stripped out of your clothes and put in your muscles relax.
Speaker 1:Because that's the thing is like. At the end of the movie, I think and I don't know if that's historically accurate, it probably is but, like she says, only six people survived. They, at the end, like how haunting that scene is. Oh, they're going through all the dead bodies because, like, and you brought up like two towers when they're walking through the marshes and there's dead bodies, but it's like we didn't see how those bodies died and like we didn't hear them screaming, right the scream, then how they slowly fade away and stuff like it's.
Speaker 1:it's horror movies don't really freak me out that much. Once you kind of know the insides of the game a little bit, you're, it kind of breaks your brain of like oh, this isn't real. I can just enjoy this for what it is, but like that it's also a real thing, it's a thing that can happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I talk about this all the time, how my wife hates horror films and I can watch any horror film fiction thing in the world, no matter how violent, gross disturbing it is because I'm like well, this is fake.
Speaker 1:It's telling a story. But she'll watch Holocaust 9-11 documentaries and I don't want to watch that plane full of people hit that building. That is. Anything that's somewhat realistic or based on a real story. Those are the more haunting things to me.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's just perception.
Speaker 1:Freddy or Jason, ripping somebody's head off Doesn't really do it for me. I'm just like ooh.
Speaker 2:I know how Tom Zavini did that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But that was so creative. Yeah, but ugh no.
Speaker 1:Okay, corey, creative and so yeah, but uh, no, okay, cory, well, I think we're getting near the end here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so as as per quantum recast, we recast things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do, we're gonna recap and we're we're. This season's all about just playing it loose, cory, just having fun with it. We're not, we've been through essentially every year at this point yeah, like that I can think of, of modern filmmaking times in the 70s and on, basically, so we're not gonna hold ourselves to a year per se.
Speaker 2:So if you want to like, essentially it's dealer's choice.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You can do whatever you want. I'm going to do whatever I want.
Speaker 1:For sure, yeah, and there's no rules, right? No, okay. We're done with that we're through with the rules.
Speaker 2:It's chaos. We've covered all the ground. I think as long as I was able to say that I think it's possible that Rose had field trip goggles on, that's all I want to do.
Speaker 1:That's all I want to say You've said your piece and you feel better about it. I just want people to think about it.
Speaker 2:If you've been on a field trip and you've seen it. Think twice, just think, just think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So we've got Titanic and I are going to go two different ways. I'm just going to do the usual thing. I'm going to do a modern cast. We're just saying I'm not giving a particular year, but we're just giving a nebulous like okay, in the last three or four years, okay, well, that's, that's, that's my range here, cory, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:muppets titanic. I love it. I think titanic, when you can use a muppet, when you say it together, it's muppets titanic yeah, and the world would love it. They would, because it's muppets yeah we.
Speaker 1:I stand by the idea that disney plus just needs to make a series, a limited series. Hour-long episodes. They redo movies, literary things, and they just have a guest star each time. Yeah, and it's like we're gonna read it's wishbone, basically. But benedict gommerbat shows up to play today and that's and that's, and I did that.
Speaker 2:I keep one human. Okay, so you followed, followed the rules. I want to keep one human okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1:So, before we dive into and we're not gonna like we said, you know, obviously we don't have ash alley cast or taryn on today, so there's not the the normal game show style where somebody picks between our cast. We're just going to give you our cast list and you guys can tell us how you think about each of our cast lists and our vision for that version of the movie. But, cory, give me a list of just who you're the cast member, people you're casting okay, so I mean like just going down yeah, go down um well, it's muppets.
Speaker 1:So I casted probably more than you did, I mean, but give me, give me the characters, not the muppets.
Speaker 2:Yet but it's jack dawson rose cow. Okay, molly brown.
Speaker 1:Okay, uh, ruth bucketer yeah, the mom, captain, captain, uh spicer lovejoy, which is cow's right hand man yeah, yeah, um thomas Thomas Andrew, the guy that designed the ship. Okay.
Speaker 2:Bruce Ismay, who's, I guess, the white star representative or president. Okay, I did. Bill Paxton and his friend. Okay.
Speaker 1:I had him. Brock Lovett is Bill Paxton yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know who the friend's name is.
Speaker 1:Brock's friend. Brock's friend.
Speaker 2:And then I also did Fabrizio.
Speaker 1:Oh, fabrizio, okay.
Speaker 2:Tommy, who is the Irish immigrant they befriend down in third class. Okay, williams Murdoch, who shoots himself. Okay, After shooting Tommy the captain, he's just the guy that's like loading the lifeboats.
Speaker 1:I mean the sailor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cal tries to, you know, bribe him. Sure and so and then I did the band and also the old men that go to drink brandy.
Speaker 1:Okay, Old men drinking brandy. Oh okay, old men brandy. So we'll just start from the bottom of yours real quick. So tell me who are the old men that drink brandy, it's Sattler and Waldo.
Speaker 2:They're going down the ship and they're going to be making jokes.
Speaker 1:They're going to go have you realize how kind of insensitive this can kind of. It's a real balancing act here, it's like. But no, if they ever make Muppets Titanic.
Speaker 2:They can't rewrite the story, or the Titanic just gets there. Some Muppets are going to die, but they're going down heroically.
Speaker 1:Maybe they just get on an island or something.
Speaker 2:No, they could get God Stalin wore off. They're rich guys who at some point Fozzie performed on the boat and they tore him a new one. Okay, now they're gonna have brandy go down the ship okay, okay, I like that.
Speaker 1:Look at the band Cory.
Speaker 2:Oh, dr teeth and electric man, so I thought they're playing dr teeth and electric mayhem perfect perfect. One of them will look at dr teeth and say it was an honor you know it was like an honor to ruin you man. So, um, yep, Okay. So my next three all share a scene, right? William Murdoch has been bribed by Cal to get him on a boat. Yes, right, he's a real person. But Tommy and Fabrizio are third class guys who've broken out of third class.
Speaker 2:And they're saying give us a chance. Blah, blah, blah. And William Murdoch pulls his gun out, throws his money at Cal and says your money can't save you any more than it can save me. And then someone presses Tommy and he shoots Tommy and Fabrizio calls him a bastardo. Yeah, naturally. And then, of course, what does Then? William Murdoch shoots himself.
Speaker 1:Yes, because he's realized what he's done.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's realized what he's done. He realizes like dude, this is all going to hell. Okay, so that's just the scene you need to think about when I do these.
Speaker 1:Got it.
Speaker 2:got it, Fabrizio is Rizzo the Rat.
Speaker 2:Naturally yeah, okay, okay, tommy, who will be shot by William Murdoch is Pepe the King, life jacket when he's been shot. And then William Murdoch, who shot Pepe the Prawn and shoots himself as Bean Bunny and that's the darkest part of Muppet Titanic is Bean Bunny does have to shoot himself. Okay, alright, but he has his redemptive moment before where he throws the money at Cat. Bean Bunny cannot be bought, all right, but he has his redemptive moment before where he throws the money at cat, right yeah, okay, bean bunny cannot be bought, got it so it's gonna be a really wild scene I love that.
Speaker 1:You're just like. We're not muppetizing the story. No, we're just gonna everything that stays the same.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just recasting titanic with the muppets, and we're going to do it Okay.
Speaker 1:So who's Brock's friend? Who's the guy in modern times? Sweetums, Sweetums.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's perfect, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:She's an actress. Come on, perfect, perfect. Okay, the white star rep. What was his name?
Speaker 2:Wait, am I not doing Bill?
Speaker 1:Baxton yet. Oh yeah, go ahead and do Brock Lovett play by Bill Baxter Scooter, Scooter.
Speaker 2:I thought Scooter would really be into marine biology. It's a good role for Scooter. Are you just really wanting to? Yeah, he doesn't get a lot of, but he's going to have the hoop earring, the one hoop earring.
Speaker 1:I'm into it, love it, let's. Let's talk about who I casted.
Speaker 2:I'll do this, should we should we do that or should we do?
Speaker 1:should we? Should we do your list and then my list, or should we just do?
Speaker 2:I don't know. What did you do again? What was yours? I don't have everybody.
Speaker 1:I mean, but like what theme? I did a modern cast. Okay, you did a modern regular, let's do yours, so everybody's on page, and then we'll do. And then I'll read down mine. How about that, since we don't have all the same amount of people? Yeah, yeah yeah, so you got Scooter for Brock Lovett the captain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, it's Scooter and Sweetums. I almost had Bert and Ernie because I just wanted like Muppet adjacent.
Speaker 1:Some Sesame Street. Yeah, like they live in a new world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I just thought no, we'll keep it all Muppets, it's Scooter and Sweetums. That's fair. That's fair. So you're talking about now who is my? The Thomas Andrew guy in the white and Bruce is may. Okay, uh, thomas Andrew is the guy that designed the boat. He sets the clock, you know he's.
Speaker 1:He's the gentleman. People know him probably from the alias TV series with uh Gardner, jennifer Gardner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Bruce is, may, is, uh, the, the, the, the white star representative, and's one of the guys that goes, that's fighting, chasing, racing brendan, frazier and rachel vice to go to the to the temple valley of the dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, yeah and he's an anaconda.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it goes down like a badass anaconda absolutely and he sneaks off the boat, he sneaks onto one and like kind of shame okay, he takes a spot and the guy likes locks eyes with them but doesn't say anything. I have Honeydew and Beaker. Honeydew sets the clock. He designed the boat. He's going to go down with the ship. Beaker sneaks onto a lifeboat in shame, got it. Doesn't say a word. Doesn't say a word, just beeps, that's great. And his best friend goes down with the ship. He has more honor.
Speaker 1:He does, he has more honor. It's just.
Speaker 2:I see the vision, I do see the vision for sure, I'm going to go to the captain next.
Speaker 1:Okay, jonathan Hyde was the actor that plays the White Star rep. That's Richie Rich's butler.
Speaker 2:And Victor Garber is the guy that plays Thomas.
Speaker 1:Andrew, so you're at who now.
Speaker 2:I'm going up to Captain Smith.
Speaker 1:To Captain Smith. Okay, played by Bernard Hill. People know him from Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2:He's King Theoden, that's Kermit the Frog, oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. Kermit the Frog's kind of a straight man, I think in his age and life.
Speaker 1:He's just got to be the regal character. That's his job.
Speaker 2:He's the straight man in every way and he's going down with the ship. We're gonna watch that glass break and take kermit the frog with them yeah but I mean he's, I mean he's just, he commands that presence.
Speaker 1:He's kermit the frog yeah, absolutely like that's a dark turn for kermit to go down with the ship and that seems really cool, like it's very memorable of him.
Speaker 2:Kermit's gonna go down, he's, he's gonna go touch the wheel. Yeah, he's just gonna.
Speaker 1:He's gonna let it happen bernard hill does such a good job of like realizing like this is the end, what have I done? I've made terrible decisions. I got pressured into like speeding up the ship and not taking all the warnings and stuff and then uh, but yeah, and it works. When I saw lord of the rings, that it came out and he popped up, it wasn't like when I saw hugo weaving and went run because it's agent smith. I saw him went. Oh, that's great casting like he's a tragic figure okay all right, so that's kermit the Frog.
Speaker 1:Kermit the Frog's the captain.
Speaker 2:The mom is Camilla the Chicken.
Speaker 1:That's Rose's mom. Is she just gonna cluck her way through all her scene?
Speaker 2:Yes, nick, I don't want to bash the Muppets, but there's only so many female Muppets.
Speaker 1:They don't have enough, they need more women.
Speaker 2:I don't know how Muppets mate. I don't reproduce they become frogs or pigs that's the Rules. Yeah, but we don't. We don't specify, we talked about this. There's only Like five female Muppets, yeah.
Speaker 1:We're watching the movie in the background and we've just Gotten to the scene. I'll let you all use your Imagination what scene it is so boobs are real, they're real, they're real.
Speaker 2:Look okay. Um so, miss Piggy is gonna Be my Molly Brown nice.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like just kathy bates.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and she gets her moment, man, when she's telling that dude, we need, that's your man, we need to go back. Yeah, yeah, she's told to sit down she.
Speaker 1:It's the other moment where it's like it's a very haunting moment where it's like okay, we gotta go do something. You'd see that in a movie and be like you're right, we gotta do it. And it's somebody goes. No, that's stupid. We, we're gonna die if we do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that apparently that was a lot of survivor counts that. Molly Brown begged them to turn around and go look for survivors. Yeah she was told to sit down and shut up, and so that's gonna be miss piggy. I want to give her some. I want to give her a real real something to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, so next is Cal Hockley and Spicer Lovejoyjoy, played by David Warner.
Speaker 1:I'm the henchman.
Speaker 2:Cal Hockley's, my human.
Speaker 1:I had a feeling, billy.
Speaker 2:Zane is the only human in this movie. Okay, alright, and Spice for Lovejoy is Fozzie Bear. He's just not going to be as missing in my version.
Speaker 1:You're not going to go Sam the Eagle, the easy way up there?
Speaker 2:No, it's fozzie bear and he's just sucky at being a henchman is really all it is he lets him get away.
Speaker 1:He can't. It's more of a. It's gonna be more slapstick when they're running away from him.
Speaker 2:That's the only rewrite I'm doing is that fozzie bear is just bad at being a henchman and that's why they keep getting away and getting away with stuff okay all right, and then you know when the ship breaks right where he's standing.
Speaker 1:we watch Fozzie Bear, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:man Billy Zane's gonna treat it like a heart attack man. He's gonna be in the zone.
Speaker 1:He's going the Michael Caine route, where he's not a Muppet, he's just like. This is the same as if Leo was here Everyone's human, everyone's real.
Speaker 2:No, Billy Zane's gonna play it perfectly. He's just gonna constantly be annoyed by Fozzie Bear.
Speaker 1:So question who are your? Who's your rose, really? But who's also your jack?
Speaker 2:give me rose, janice she will not be in dr teeth in the electric mayhem whoa a break from tradition yep, janice is my rose okay, okay, which leaves jack as played by gonzo. That's why we're friends but I want him to have the little leo wig on like I want him to have a like the 90s mid-cut, like tapered thing yeah, I don't know how that I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:I need to visualize this in my brain. It could work. I will say it could work gonzo's the best actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, out of the muppets he's the only one. I, in my opinion, he's the only one that can lead a movie. Yeah, you know, kermit's too straight, too straight man the other ones.
Speaker 1:they all get stuck in their characterization. Fozzie's kind of the one that makes jokes about Miss Piggy's the hothead, kermit's the straight and narrow. Rizzo is just the streetwise best. Buddy Gonzo's, the only one that morphs and changes.
Speaker 2:I've said this a thousand times, Nick I think my favorite acting performances are usually based on a non-dialogue shot of an actor.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I think Randy Quaid in Independence Day when Bill Pullman's getting the speech and it shows his face and he's just dead serious. I think, that's incredible, William Zappian Karate Kid, when he's told sweep the leg.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And it's just like you see him die inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like I shouldn't do this.
Speaker 2:This is wrong. The best scene the flares are going off behind him.
Speaker 1:They're watching Rose go.
Speaker 2:And neither of them are saying anything. It's Billy Zane looking straight down and we are looking at him Now. Imagine Gonzo.
Speaker 1:Looking at Billy Sharing that exact moment.
Speaker 2:Gonzo's eyes are going to sell it. Kermit's eyes can't sell it.
Speaker 1:Kermit can sell it, but it's not going to be as effective.
Speaker 2:It's not his eyes, though Gonzo has deep emotional eyes.
Speaker 1:It's true, it's true, and he can actually kind of blink, yeah, like his puppet is allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:So I'm just saying I think Gonzo is going to do well.
Speaker 1:Oh, for sure, yeah, yeah, he's going to be terrible when he freezes. Listen, gonzo was jackass before jackass, so, like him, freezing and going out is going to be the way he would prefer to probably go out.
Speaker 2:It's true, if he can't blow up the ship, he'll want to sink with it. So yeah, and I just like the idea of the last hour of this movie is just a bunch of puppets going down with the ship, like a bunch of puppets like falling. One of them hits the, the, like just some puppet pig falls and hits the anchor or the or the prop, because you, I saw that in this movie was like oh well, okay, that's very, that's very just.
Speaker 1:He was just a dead weight falling. Yeah, that's very, that's very just. He was just a dead weight falling yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2:That's all it is.
Speaker 1:It's just imagine all the other muffins I haven't said it's like in the fresh prince of bel-air when they would throw will out the door or something, and it was obviously like a puppet or like a mannequin or something like that would be sam the eagle.
Speaker 2:You know like he goes falling, oh no sam's gonna be one, one of the sailors.
Speaker 1:That's just like calm down, everyone calm down.
Speaker 2:He could have been the one that shot himself, but Bean Bunny was better.
Speaker 1:You just want to make Muppet fans suffer. Corey sits there and goes how can I? I think Sam would have taken the money. Bean would have done the no, sam would have taken the money, but he would have told them no at the same time. It's just more tragic that bean buddy does what he does. I'm just trying to get. I'm trying to. I'm gonna get a rise out of me. Yeah, I'm going for the emotion of the scene. Okay, well, I'll give you. Okay, that's your, that's your muppet cast.
Speaker 1:It's pretty incredible follow that I'm gonna try to. So I'm giving you, like the modern, the modern version, and I'll just give you who who I threw together really quickly for a modern cast and I'll start from what I have at the bottom and working my way up. Did you cast an old rose?
Speaker 2:I did not, okay, I just put janice in a older wig.
Speaker 1:Oh, give her some wrinkle lines and stuff. Just old janice, um. Okay. So for old rose, who's played by gloria stewart, I'm gonna go with an old, old classic actress, uh, eve marie saint, who I think is still alive, but it's kind of hard to find like 90 year old actors and stuff. Keep in mind that if you're making this movie, you pretty much have to set it in the nineties, cause after that everyone that was on the Titanic will be gone and passed away. Pretty much she's still alive man.
Speaker 2:She's a hundred years old, yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to, I'm going to assume she can do the job and she can. She's an older, basically lived a normal life okay. So it's kind of give her a little, a little throwback comeback moment for one last little movie. Um, for brock levitt's bill paxton, I'm giving you a john david washington cory.
Speaker 2:Oh, denzel washington's son uh, star of tenant, yeah for bill paxton I think it's a cool way to get him he's.
Speaker 1:He's a charismatic. It's one of those guys you're like. I'm glad he's in this movie. I'm excited for him to be here. For spicer lovejoy, uh, played by David Warner, I'm giving you Winston Duke. Okay, he's a tall, imposing presence. He'll definitely be believable as the muscle he is and also he's got this interesting dark, vague background. Spicer Lovejoy A wild name. It's a wild name A made-up character, I believe yeah, I don't know and in the rewatch I appreciated his character. You saw more of him. That's kind of the thing about rewatching this movie.
Speaker 1:you see how much more screen time everybody has yeah it's because you're not so focused on cal jack and rose for captain smith bernard hill. I'm giving you, uh, liam cunningham, which is the guy from game of thrones. That's probably all you'll know him from. He was in the, the recent movie about the voyage, the last voyage of the demeter. Uh, he's just gray bearded guy. He looks exactly like bernard hill does in this movie but he's game of thrones. Fans will know him, but he's. He's a very likable uh actor in that role oh, he wasn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the last one I didn't have a great option for uh, ruth buketer, uh, played by francis fisher. I don't know we really talked about her a lot, but the her highlight scene is when she's talking to rose about like you want me to be poor, you want me to be like a seamstress, basically because like her whole thing is about survival and that's why she is the way she is and it kind of helps round out the character. Instead of just being very uppity, it's like now you understand, like dad's dead, the money he had a lot of debt and like this is our only way to survive.
Speaker 1:Basically as women women in this version of society, right man. And so that's why she's so stern with Rose. I picked Hannah Waddingham. You'll know her from Ted Danson, Not Ted Danson. She was also in Game of Thrones, but she was in crap. What's the show on Apple? I'm being a terrible podcast host right now?
Speaker 2:Okay, but I don't.
Speaker 1:She's in the Fall Guy, but she's in Ted Lasso, Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't, she's in the Fall Guy, but she's in Ted Lasso, ted Lasso. Okay, I never saw.
Speaker 1:Ted Lasso. Well, she's a big part Of Ted Lasso British actress. I think she'll do A good job with it.
Speaker 2:I mean she has the right look. Yeah, she does, for sure.
Speaker 1:Molly Brown. Okay, I'm giving you A layup of Melissa McCarthy. She can do serious when she wants to. She can for the top ones, um for cal for your boy cal yes initially I had the thought of daiquiri montgomery. Stranger things, kid stop.
Speaker 2:So stop saying I'm gonna throw this.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna throw this at you instead. What about ben affleck?
Speaker 2:because he doesn't have to be young pretty much played that exact same character moran exactly you just make him.
Speaker 1:He's just a dick yeah what's the line that she calls him?
Speaker 2:she ben affleck he plays a good dick. He's a great dick, and I think he's just a dick. What's the line that she calls him Ben Affleck? He plays a good dick.
Speaker 1:He's a great dick and I think he'll be a great dick because even if he's older, he's marrying for money.
Speaker 2:That's his only reason and he can play, yeah he can play serious obviously he's obviously a tremendous actor, as much as we want to make fun of him.
Speaker 1:Right. But Rose gives him this line them right. But rose gives him this uh line. She calls him you unimaginable bastard and I'm like that's a.
Speaker 2:That's a great, uh, a great line is j-lo gonna be a rose?
Speaker 1:no, absolutely not. No, but I think it works in that societal image of like the older guy. You take advantage of young girl with money alleged money, you know yeah, imagine him finding out later like oh, you don't have any money. You're, you're. You got nothing. So from you got Jack and Rose, I was torn, so I'm I was torn to go to Chalamet. I was torn to just give the label.
Speaker 1:He's like the guy now he's, the guy now he's who, if you're trying to find the comparison to Leo, that's who you would get. If you just want a carbon copy of yeah, but I don't like that, they're they're not, it's it's not the same, it's not, it's gonna be, it's gotta be. Shall it's kind of gotta be, it's gotta be, shall we?
Speaker 2:you can't do, tom holland I mean, you could, you could, but I don't want to, okay, I mean you could.
Speaker 1:Timothy's on this high right now. He did a really good job in the bob dylan movie. He did good and he's having a good year. He got an snl. He did both he's having. He's having a good time right now. Let's reward him a little bit. Let's say, hey, you're cool. I think we're cool with you. So Rose came down to Ella Purnell and Olivia Cooke. I love Olivia Cooke. She's from House of the Dragon. She's in Ready Player One. Damn it, Nick. Ella Purnell is the girl that's in Fallout.
Speaker 2:I don't know any.
Speaker 1:Corey, you gotta watch Fallout. She's in the Yellow Jackets. Have you seen Yellow Jackets?
Speaker 2:I haven't seen Yellow Jackets, corey.
Speaker 1:It's a modern movie. What do you want me to do?
Speaker 2:I read books, you uncultured bastard.
Speaker 1:Ella Purnell. Oh she looks familiar, looks familiar, okay. Oh, dang, she kind of looks like Rose, yeah. So I think she could play a good role. So I'm going to go with Ella. I think you should go with her, yeah.
Speaker 2:Olivia Cooke would be all right, but I think Ella Show me Olivia Cooke. That one sounds more familiar. No, I'm going to go with Ella Brunel.
Speaker 1:No, I know, but show me a picture of Olivia Cooke. It's going to bug me if I don't know who Olivia Cooke is. She was also I don't know what else she's in. No, I don't like her as much. All right, no, my first instinct was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you went right there. Oh, that picture looks pretty good, but let's stick with Ella Purnell.
Speaker 1:All right, but that's who I've got. So yeah, for the final roles, ella Purnell as Rose and Timothee Chalamet as Jack Dawson, and those are our cast. I love it, but that's about all the time. We've got Corey we already talked. It's a long movie. We didn't do three hours worth. We assumed you guys would be glad we didn't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you could, we could, you could. It's been a long time on this movie, for sure, for sure. There's a lot of we didn't even really touch the behind the that, like Kate Winslet and Leo DiCaprio, are just still best friends.
Speaker 1:They're just best friends. Everybody wants to ship them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, apparently they're just best friends. Yeah, just besties, I guess, if you're just up and coming, actors and you're both in this massive movie you're like, so the pressure's on.
Speaker 1:You know what probably happened. I think you're right. I think you're onto something.
Speaker 2:They. Let's talk about that. Nick, you just brought up a good point. Movies are field trip romances. Yeah, anytime you ever see two actors, they met on set and then they got married. That's not going to last.
Speaker 1:Rarely, no Rarely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Mr and Mrs Smith, Brad Pitt's like hey, Jennifer Aniston, you're not as cool anymore.
Speaker 1:I made a movie with this psychopath Right right. Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn meet in the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're probably the exception. I don't know if they met on Overboard, if they were already dating.
Speaker 1:I think they had met previous to Overboard. Yeah, let's just go ahead and say that, so that my theory stands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kevin Bacon. Johnny Depp left his girlfriend of 20 years because of Amber Heard and Rum Diary.
Speaker 1:That was a mistake that blew up in his face hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it did knuckles on you're filming in puerto rico and you're feeling good and everything's like great so they yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's my, that's my theory. My theory is they did have a field trip romance and they said you know what they were mature?
Speaker 2:and they were mature about it, cory about it. Yeah, they said listen they said.
Speaker 1:Then they both were like you're right, it's, it's. It was you and the girl in new york there's she's like you're right, like listen, everything feels good right now and that's why they've only done revolutionary road and they kind of thought about it and they said you know, this is why, this is why we don't do this Leo's just made it clear that he's only going to date 24 and below. She's the one that got away, corey, clearly that's why Leo won't move on.
Speaker 2:No one's better than Kate Winslet it's John Stamos and Lori Loughlin the one that no one's going to replace that, I think. John Stamos is now finally happily married. Well, it's good, that's good.
Speaker 1:He's moved on, but I don't think Leo ever will Probably not that experience, that time on the boat. It's never going to be the same as it was. Then Just start playing the penny whistle, Corey, and let's wrap this up. Yeah, let's wrap it up.
Speaker 2:I don't know why, but I just thought George Clooney would have been a great Cal Hockley at some point in time, probably around the same time.
Speaker 1:Not in your Muppet movie, though. No, I'll praise the Billy Zane.
Speaker 2:George Clooney would have recognized them as Muppets.
Speaker 1:Billy Zane would play it with a heart attack Would accept it yeah, he would have definitely Michael Caine-ed it. Okay.
Speaker 2:Someone that knows how to work AI. I just want to see the ship sinking with nothing but Muppets.
Speaker 1:We can make that. We can probably make that happen, yeah yeah, I just want to see it.
Speaker 2:Someone can make the bean buddy King Prong.
Speaker 1:No, not the bean buddy. Don't do that, one Don't do it. I don't want to be sad, that really emotional scene with those three.
Speaker 2:How does Fabrizio die?
Speaker 1:One of the things falls on him the exhaust.
Speaker 2:The giant. So that's right, yeah, only well no, miss piggy makes it out. And fozzie, you're right. And no, fozzie doesn't make it out. Fozzie, the ship splits man beaker makes it out.
Speaker 1:Beaker does make it out, but with shame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with shame and he has to know that honeydew died with the ship that he designed. All right, cool. So that's, that's, that's titanic that was titanic yeah, yeah, we hope you enjoyed that. We with the ship that he designed Alright cool.
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